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Old 02-02-2007, 12:47 PM
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Erectile dysfunction affects 18 percent of U.S. men

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- There's more bad news for those pudgy couch
potatoes, junk food junkies and TV devotees -- and this time it really hits
them where it hurts.

A study published Thursday found that about 18 percent of U.S. men age 20
and up suffer from erectile dysfunction -- and the condition is strongly
linked to a sedentary lifestyle of little physical exercise, poor diet and
lots of television.

Not surprisingly, the condition was most common in older men. But there was
a strikingly high prevalence in men with diabetes and high blood pressure.

"This really means that staying active -- moving more and eating less --
and staying healthy, in addition to being good for your cardiovascular
health may also be good for your sexual health," said epidemiologist
Elizabeth Selvin of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, who
led the study, in an interview.

"It's just another reason to get off the couch and exercise," Selvin added.

The study in the American Journal of Medicine sought to get a sense of the
prevalence of erectile dysfunction, formerly called impotence, in what
Selvin called "the post-Viagra era."

The U.S. government approved Pfizer Inc.'s Viagra in 1998 as the first pill
for erectile dysfunction -- the inability to attain an adequate penile
erection for satisfactory sexual activity.

The arrival of Viagra not only provided a treatment option, but boosted
awareness of the formerly taboo subject and made it more acceptable to
discuss.

The study estimated that 18.4 percent of U.S. men age 20 and older -- about
18 million -- have the condition. Among those ages 20-39, 5.1 percent had
it; ages 40-59, 14.8 percent; ages 60-69, 43.8 percent; and age 70 and
older 70.2 percent.

Half of the men in the study who had diabetes also had erectile
dysfunction. Nearly 90 percent of men with erectile dysfunction had risk
factors for cardiovascular disease, including diabetes, high blood
pressure, poor cholesterol levels or smoking, the study found.

TV watching
Men who watched three or more hours of TV per day were much more likely to
have erectile dysfunction than men who watched less than an hour per day.
And men with erectile dysfunction were less likely to have done vigorous
physical activity in the previous 30 days than other men.

Selvin said there are two clear messages from the findings. One is that
lifestyle changes -- losing weight, exercising more and eating healthier
foods -- may be very effective in warding off erectile dysfunction rather
than merely relying on a pill.

"By making lifestyle changes now, you can prevent this decline in sexual
function," Selvin said.

The other message, she said, is for doctors to be more aggressive in
screening and managing their middle-aged and older patients for this common
quality-of-life issue.

Selvin and colleagues Arthur Burnett and Elizabeth Platz based their
findings on data from 2,126 men who took part in a broad national health
and nutrition survey whose participants were representative of the general
U.S. population.

Men who said they were "never able" or "sometimes able" to maintain an
erection were listed as having erectile dysfunction. Those who said they
were "always or almost always able" or "usually able" were not.

The study was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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Old 02-02-2007, 08:51 PM
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"Mary" <mary@notvalid.net> wrote in message
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/condi...unction.reut/i
> ndex.html
> Erectile dysfunction affects 18 percent of U.S. men
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- There's more bad news for those pudgy couch
> potatoes, junk food junkies and TV devotees -- and this time it really

hits
> them where it hurts.
>
> A study published Thursday found that about 18 percent of U.S. men age 20
> and up suffer from erectile dysfunction -- and the condition is strongly
> linked to a sedentary lifestyle of little physical exercise, poor diet and
> lots of television.
>
> Not surprisingly, the condition was most common in older men. But there

was
> a strikingly high prevalence in men with diabetes and high blood pressure.
>
> "This really means that staying active -- moving more and eating less --
> and staying healthy, in addition to being good for your cardiovascular
> health may also be good for your sexual health," said epidemiologist
> Elizabeth Selvin of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, who
> led the study, in an interview.
>
> "It's just another reason to get off the couch and exercise," Selvin

added.

A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding with a
recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for his former
patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up at his office 40+
pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and a nicotine habit.
Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix their limp dicks....when the
real problem was that they were fat couch potato smokers.

It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs invariably
portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most of them are
fatties.

GG

>
> The study in the American Journal of Medicine sought to get a sense of the
> prevalence of erectile dysfunction, formerly called impotence, in what
> Selvin called "the post-Viagra era."
>
> The U.S. government approved Pfizer Inc.'s Viagra in 1998 as the first

pill
> for erectile dysfunction -- the inability to attain an adequate penile
> erection for satisfactory sexual activity.
>
> The arrival of Viagra not only provided a treatment option, but boosted
> awareness of the formerly taboo subject and made it more acceptable to
> discuss.
>
> The study estimated that 18.4 percent of U.S. men age 20 and older --

about
> 18 million -- have the condition. Among those ages 20-39, 5.1 percent had
> it; ages 40-59, 14.8 percent; ages 60-69, 43.8 percent; and age 70 and
> older 70.2 percent.
>
> Half of the men in the study who had diabetes also had erectile
> dysfunction. Nearly 90 percent of men with erectile dysfunction had risk
> factors for cardiovascular disease, including diabetes, high blood
> pressure, poor cholesterol levels or smoking, the study found.
>
> TV watching
> Men who watched three or more hours of TV per day were much more likely to
> have erectile dysfunction than men who watched less than an hour per day.
> And men with erectile dysfunction were less likely to have done vigorous
> physical activity in the previous 30 days than other men.
>
> Selvin said there are two clear messages from the findings. One is that
> lifestyle changes -- losing weight, exercising more and eating healthier
> foods -- may be very effective in warding off erectile dysfunction rather
> than merely relying on a pill.
>
> "By making lifestyle changes now, you can prevent this decline in sexual
> function," Selvin said.
>
> The other message, she said, is for doctors to be more aggressive in
> screening and managing their middle-aged and older patients for this

common
> quality-of-life issue.
>
> Selvin and colleagues Arthur Burnett and Elizabeth Platz based their
> findings on data from 2,126 men who took part in a broad national health
> and nutrition survey whose participants were representative of the general
> U.S. population.
>
> Men who said they were "never able" or "sometimes able" to maintain an
> erection were listed as having erectile dysfunction. Those who said they
> were "always or almost always able" or "usually able" were not.
>
> The study was funded by the National Institutes of Health.
>
> Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be
> published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
>
>




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Old 02-03-2007, 01:36 AM
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GaryG wrote:

> A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
> with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
> his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
> at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
> a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
> their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
> couch potato smokers.
>
> It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
> invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
> of them are fatties.


Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
thin counterparts. From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
dating thin men anymore.

This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
industry to make money.
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:36 AM
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"Real BBW" <real_bbw@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote in message
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> GaryG wrote:
>
> > A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
> > with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
> > his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
> > at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
> > a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
> > their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
> > couch potato smokers.
> >
> > It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
> > invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
> > of them are fatties.

>
> Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
> fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
> thin counterparts. From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
> dating thin men anymore.


LOL - that's not what my urologist friend said, and not consistent with the
studies I'm familiar with.

Do you have any links to studies indicating that fat men have less problems
with impotence?

GG

>
> This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
> industry to make money.



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Old 02-03-2007, 01:36 AM
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007, "Real BBW" <real_bbw@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote:
>Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
>fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
>thin counterparts. From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
>get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
>dating thin men anymore.


The lower half of 1 fat man is worth 10 complete thin men.


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Old 02-03-2007, 03:34 AM
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"Real BBW" <real_bbw@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote in message
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> GaryG wrote:
>
>> A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
>> with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
>> his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
>> at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
>> a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
>> their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
>> couch potato smokers.
>>
>> It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
>> invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
>> of them are fatties.

>
> Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
> fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
> thin counterparts. From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up.


I take it the sample size was large enough to generalize the results to the
entire population?


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Old 02-03-2007, 03:34 AM
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Real BBW wrote:
> Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
> fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
> thin counterparts. From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
> dating thin men anymore.
>


Don't worry fat-munch, they're not interested either!


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Old 02-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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Real BBW wrote:

> From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up.


They probably lose their erections after seeing you nude.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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Robin King wrote:

> Rather ironic, isn't it, since bicycle riding is rather hard
> on the
> male genitals. You'd think a urologist would know that.


That has been debunked.

> And it really isn't his business to moralize.


It's his business to heal and counsel patients on their health.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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Bobbie Sanchez wrote:

> The lower half of 1 fat man is worth 10 complete thin men.


In terms of sheer weight, that could be true in some cases.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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On Feb 2, 8:02 pm, "Real BBW" <real_...@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote:
> GaryG wrote:
> > A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
> > with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
> > his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
> > at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
> > a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
> > their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
> > couch potato smokers.

>
> > It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
> > invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
> > of them are fatties.

>
> ****Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
> fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
> thin counterparts.*** From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
> dating thin men anymore.
>
> This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
> industry to make money.


Since losing 40 lbs, my sexual function is quite a bit better. Who
knows about "virility" since I'm interested in fun, not kids.

On a more macro level, let's look at the results from a google scholar
search for testosterone and fat:
Results:
1 - "Visceral fat accumulation in men is positively associated with
insulin, glucose, and C-peptide levels, but negatively with
testosterone levels."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Citation
(relevant quote: "Concentrations of sex-hormone-binding globulin
(SHBG), as well as total and free testosterone, were negatively
correlated with waist/hip circumference ratio and visceral fat
area..." In english: More fat = less testosterone, and less fat = more
testosterone)

2- "Testosterone Replacement Increases Fat-Free Mass and Muscle Size
in Hypogonadal Men"
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...tract/82/2/407
(Their finding: in hypOgonadal men, adding testosterone didn't
decrease fat mass but did increase muscle mass, thereby altering body
fat %age.)

3- "Effects of Testosterone Administration on Fat Distribution,
Insulin Sensitivity, and Atherosclerosis Progression"
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi...482159126Guest
This one is the best one, since it's a meta-study. Their finding,
looking at all the research (you have to get the paper, which there
are three links to on the page I cite), is that adding testosterone to
folks increases muscle mass.

I'm sorry, but I cannot find anything that suggests that big fat guys
have more testosterone. They may make more sperm, but that's icky and
as I said, I don't want kids, so having fewer swimmers with better,
bigger boners is a plus.

Not to be mean, but maybe the thin guys can't perform for you. Your
90% number implies no fewer than 10 skinny men, 9 of whom couldn't
perform with you. Maybe it's a technique issue.

At any rate, with 40 lbs down, I have a lot less of a fat pad at the
base of my gear. The gear is longer at 225 than at 265, gets up better
and stays up longer. If this is less virile and less testosterone, I
don't want more.

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Old 02-04-2007, 12:47 AM
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In misc.health.diabetes Real BBW <real_bbw@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote:
> GaryG wrote:


>> A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
>> with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
>> his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
>> at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
>> a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
>> their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
>> couch potato smokers.
>>
>> It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
>> invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
>> of them are fatties.


> Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
> fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
> thin counterparts.


I think you're misunderstanding the technical "negative association"
in these studies.

> From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
> get it up.


There's a lot of psychology involved in the male erection. What method
did you use to separate those who couldn't from those who didn't want
to?

> This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
> industry to make money.


But the study didn't recommend any type of diet, it recommended simply
being more active, watching less TV, and eating less. Not only doesn't
that make any diet any money, it even loses money to the food industry
in general.

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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Old 02-04-2007, 05:05 PM
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> On Feb 2, 8:02 pm, "Real BBW" <real_...@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote:
>> GaryG wrote:
>> > A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
>> > with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
>> > his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
>> > at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle,
>> > and a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to
>> > fix their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were
>> > fat couch potato smokers.

>>
>> ****Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of
>> body fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than
>> their thin counterparts.*** From personal experience, 90% of thin
>> men cannot get it up. I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't
>> bother dating thin men anymore.
>>
>> This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
>> industry to make money.

>
> Since losing 40 lbs, my sexual function is quite a bit better. Who
> knows about "virility" since I'm interested in fun, not kids.


It would be hard to pinpoint cause and effect there. Even the original
part of this post mentions overweight, sedentary, nicotine, etc etc.
Being 40+ slim would tend to include a fair amount of exercise which is
more likely to be a factor in testosterone and sexual stamina. A 40+
smoker couch potatoe is likely to have the same problems even if they
arent fat.

Gandalf Parker
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:34 AM
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Gandalf Parker wrote:

> Being 40+ slim would tend to include a fair amount of exercise which
> is more likely to be a factor in testosterone and sexual stamina. A
> 40+ smoker couch potatoe is likely to have the same problems even if
> they arent fat.


You would know, chubs.
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Old 02-06-2007, 08:10 PM
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:02:25 -0600, "Real BBW"
<real_bbw@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote:

>GaryG wrote:
>
>> A year ago, I spent some time on a bicycle tour in Colorado riding
>> with a recently retired urologist. He didn't have much respect for
>> his former patients, saying that nearly all of them with ED show up
>> at his office 40+ pounds overweight, with a sedentary lifestyle, and
>> a nicotine habit. Invariably they would ask him for pills to fix
>> their limp dicks....when the real problem was that they were fat
>> couch potato smokers.
>>
>> It's ironic that the TV ads for Viagra and other impotence drugs
>> invariably portray slim healthy-looking men, when the reality is most
>> of them are fatties.

>
>Body fat promotes testosterone in men. Men with ample amounts of body
>fat have been proven in study after study to be more virile than their
>thin counterparts.


That's a lie. Post one credible study supporting this.

> From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
>get it up.


I think this says more about your appearance than their erectile
abilities.

You know people who make unsupported medical claims that seem contrary
to logic and then make ridiculous anecdotal claims that by common
knowledge are false, tend to lose credibility. (In other words, you're
a deluded k00k)

> I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
>dating thin men anymore.


I'm sure to the chagrin of thin men everywhere. I'll make sure to
alert the media so they'll stop beating down your door. *giggle*

>This study is false and is nothing more than an effort by the diet
>industry to make money.


And I'm sure you'll always believe that as you cower beneath your
tinfoil hat, eating double cheeseburgers, and cursing the diet
industry for the kkkonspiracy against you.

Try thorazine, it's a good snack for k00ks like you.

Jade

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Old 02-07-2007, 07:16 AM
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Daedalus wrote:
>> From personal experience, 90% of thin men cannot
>> get it up.

>
> I think this says more about your appearance than their erectile
> abilities.
>

ouch.

>> I never had a problem with a fat man. I don't bother
>> dating thin men anymore.

>
> I'm sure to the chagrin of thin men everywhere. I'll make sure to
> alert the media so they'll stop beating down your door. *giggle*


Double ouch.

Damn, the truth hurts like a damn bitch.


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