the fight

As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.

I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.

I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
against those who tempt me with food.

Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.

Cubit
190/173/160

Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:

>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
>people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
>I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
>with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
>I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>against those who tempt me with food.
>
>Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
>Cubit
>190/173/160
>
>Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>

You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

On Apr 3, 11:11 pm, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
> people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> against those who tempt me with food.
>
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
> Cubit
> 190/173/160
>
> Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.

It's a shame that your friends make you feel that way, its the same
with any form of success, people tend to get envious.
What they need to learn is that food is not entertainment, it is fuel
for the body.
It's like putting gas in your car, you put in as much as you need, if
you put in too much gas spills out into the ground , with your body
too much fuel gets stored.
_________________________________________
Visit my diet and health blogg.
http://www.x-kru.cq.bz/

On Apr 4, 12:11 am, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of thefatpeopleyou know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> against those who tempt me with food.
>
I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you
because I know it hurts. People you thought were friends turn out to
be people who only associated with you to make themselves feel better
about being fat. Once you start to lose sizable amounts of weight they
can no longer point to you behind your back as say at least I'm not
nearly as obese as her.

Many of my friends are heavy and among them I was always the heaviest,
until recently. After more than two years of dieting hell I'm finally
getting down to the size that no longer makes me the heaviest in my
circle of friends and it appears that some of my former associates
feel quite threatened. Once this sets in, the hostility and in some
cases the actual sabotage begins.

Unfortunately this is all too common in many instances. But I have
found that just as recovering drug abusers must remove themselves from
the association of fellow drug abusers, recovering food abusers also
must disassociate them selves from fellow food abusers. Try it you
will be better off.

> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
I agree, maybe someone should invent a V chip that can block those
commercials. Imagine the fortune they could make.

Regards
BR.

On Apr 4, 1:16 pm, "Renee" <ssbbwre...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 4, 12:11 am, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:

> As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> > support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of thefatpeopleyou know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> > I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> > with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.

> I find myself in this situation as well and I can sympathize with you
> because I know it hurts.

I've heard a psychologist say that spouses can sabotage healthy
habits, too.

> Many of my friends are heavy and among them I was always the heaviest,
> until recently. After more than two years of dieting hell I'm finally
> getting down to the size that no longer makes me the heaviest in my
> circle of friends and it appears that some of my former associates
> feel quite threatened.

Two years of dieting hell? Well, first, good job having the willpower
to do that. But are you sure that you are dieting the right way? I
wanted to lose fifty pounds but I plateaued (spelling?) after about
ten. But then I finally gave up refined foods - or at least grains
without fiber and started eating really little meals (snacks, really)
every three hours and I started losing again. If you eat, even a small
meal, the body thinks that the food supply is plentiful and it's safe
to burn fat and lose weight [1]. Since I'm eating every three hours
I'm constantly in the "fed state", and burning fat. Eating three rice
cakes is enough to do it, and they come in cheese flavor, so I enjoy
the taste (they come in chocolate, too, for 15 more calories a cake,
which is a small transgression . I eat cheese popcorn, too. One meal
a day is a regular meal, 600 calories, and I have an 8 ounce can of
coke with it. I've been loosing 1 1/2 pounds a week that way. I think
about food a lot, but it isn't that intense craving that leads to
hedonistic eating that wrecks a diet.

Of course, if you are eating white rice or bread that isn't whole
grain whole wheat [2], the body digests it quickly, so you have more
energy than you need and it gets stored as fat. Then, before the three
hours is up, the body runs out of fuel from the white bread and goes
into the "fasting state", where it slows the metabolism ( the normal
processes of repair that the body constantly does) down to conserve
fat. So you lose, er, gain, both ways: you put on fat first and then
you don't take it back off.

Has anybody here heard of Brenda Watson's Fiber 35 program? I saw it
on public television. She says that dietary fiber sequesters food in
the intestines so that it doesn't get digested. In other words, you
can eat more food and still loose weight. She shows plates of food
that represent the typical American diet [3]. The portions look kinda
small, but she says that it adds up to 1600 calories. Then she shows
plates of food with Fiber 35 menu foods on them. They are practically
overflowing with food, there's so much. She says that when you
subtract the calories that the 35 grams of fiber keep you from
digesting, you have a net caloric intake of 800 calories. I think just
about anybody could loose weight eating that amount per day. Oh, she
recommends exercising, too. My local PBS station's website is selling
the Fiber 35 program materials, if anybody is interested:

https://www.kcts.org/members/pledge/index.asp

Feel free to pledge to my station, or you can look for your own local
PBS station and get it from them.

I read in "You: On A Diet" that each additional pound of muscle burns
between 40 and 120 calories per day. It gives exercises that you can
do (no gym required) to build up your core muscles and that could
really help with both getting rid of weight and with keeping it off
after you're done. I get the impression that maintaining muscle mass
is the thing that burns the most calories, more than aerobic exercise.
although the author, Michael F. Roizen, recommends also walking for 30
minutes a day.

> > Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.

How about just making the TV commercials showing unhealthy food
illegal. Like the way they outlawed commericals for tobacco products
on TV.

> I agree, maybe someone should invent a V chip that can block those
> commercials. Imagine the fortune they could make.

The advertising industry and big business will spend whatever it takes
to make sure that that never happens. Using part of the money that we
pay for the products we buy from them, too.

Sean, long winded today

P.S.: I heard that being overweight increases the likelihood of
getting diabetes. Diabetes can make you blind and can require that you
have your feet amputated. That's my motivation, to diet and keep them.

[1] Well, the body doesn't really think, but it acts as if it does.

[2] Every brand of whole grain whole wheat bread I've seen has high
fructose corn syrup, which makes it just as bad as eating white bread.
Totally defeats the purpose of making it whole grain. My Mom says that
Trader Joe's has whole grain bread without the corn syrup, but I
haven't checked on that.

[3] Breakfast: Bagel with cream cheese. Lunch: Hamburger and fries.
Dinner: Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, and green beans.

"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.

If I see that KFC commercial with "all your favorites!" one more time,
I'm going to scream. Other women are fantasizing over patrick Dempsey, I'm
fantasizing over Colonel Sanders...

And whoever penned that "you are always on my mind" ad, with the people
dragging the scales around on their ankles, should get an Obie.

XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX
(223/173/120)
************************************************** **********

Voe: Good! Really good! Now, arch your back
and tighten **here**, you should feel it in--

gizzie: WAIT!!! Wait....that can't be right. I just
felt the gate slam shut on the playground....

Personal Training, lesson four

************************************************** ***********

"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
news:XGEQh.2470$H_5.1014@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t...
> As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
> people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
> left with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> against those who tempt me with food.
>
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.

I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not, but
working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on subtle
sabotage. After 9 yrs of working together she knows my weaknesses pretty
well, and a few weeks ago once the weight loss I'm striving for started
becoming noticable in my clothes, I started finding little candy treats (my
favorite kind, peauntbutter/chocolate) on my desk, keyboard, or chair a few
times a day. I can easily turn that stuff aside when its in a candy dish in
someone elses office, but dammit, if its right in front of my face, I will
eat it without even thinking. I can easily consume an extra 300+ cals a
day in those stupid things.

I don't think it is intentional, conscious sabatoge, but you know how it is,
on some subconscious level they are jealous and are working to try and
sabatoge you.

>
> Cubit
> 190/173/160
>
> Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.

Oh, how true this is! My 50lb dog eats more than me! Its not fair!

LFM <nothankyou@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not,
> but working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on
> subtle sabotage. After 9 yrs of working together she knows my
> weaknesses pretty well, and a few weeks ago once the weight loss I'm
> striving for started becoming noticable in my clothes, I started
> finding little candy treats (my favorite kind,
> peauntbutter/chocolate) on my desk, keyboard, or chair a few times a
> day. I can easily turn that stuff aside when its in a candy dish in
> someone elses office, but dammit, if its right in front of my face, I
> will eat it without even thinking. I can easily consume an extra
> 300+ cals a day in those stupid things.
> I don't think it is intentional, conscious sabatoge, but you know how
> it is, on some subconscious level they are jealous and are working to
> try and sabatoge you.

Did she used to leave candy on your chair and keyboard before? If not, don't
kid yourself. I could see it maybe being subconscious if she started
stocking the candy dish on her desk with your favorites but going out of her
way to put a piece on your chair several times a day?? Sounds pretty
conscious and intentional to me.
--
Jeri
"Change is inevitable, except from vending machines."

On Apr 5, 5:57 am, "Jeri" <stargaze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> LFM <nothank...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > I have an issue with a friend at work who is heavy (where I am not,
> > but working on removing a minor gain) and my friend seems set on
> > subtle sabotage. After 9 yrs of working together she knows my
> > weaknesses pretty well, and a few weeks ago once the weight loss I'm
> > striving for started becoming noticable in my clothes, I started
> > finding little candy treats (my favorite kind,
> > peauntbutter/chocolate) on my desk, keyboard, or chair a few times a
> > day. I can easily turn that stuff aside when its in a candy dish in
> > someone elses office, but dammit, if its right in front of my face, I
> > will eat it without even thinking. I can easily consume an extra
> > 300+ cals a day in those stupid things.
> > I don't think it is intentional, conscious sabatoge, but you know how
> > it is, on some subconscious level they are jealous and are working to
> > try and sabatoge you.
>
> Did she used to leave candy on your chair and keyboard before? If not, don't
> kid yourself. I could see it maybe being subconscious if she started
> stocking the candy dish on her desk with your favorites but going out of her
> way to put a piece on your chair several times a day?? Sounds pretty
> conscious and intentional to me.

It might be motivated by pity rather than anything sinister. Ive found
that the morbidly obese folks at my company, at least the ones in
denial, feel sorry for me that I have to exercise, ride my bike, and
choose my food carefully. I've come across folks who are upset that
I'm doing what they haven't been able to do, but usually it's pity
they feel. I get knowing smiles when I mention being sore from lifting
or physical therapy, when I mention getting my bike serviced or
adjusted, etc. Meanwhile, I smile inwardly when I see them waddle down
the hallways or brace themselves when they attempt to stand.

On Apr 4, 7:08 am, Chris Braun <b...@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
> >people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> >I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> >with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> >I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> >against those who tempt me with food.
>
> >Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
> >Cubit
> >190/173/160
>
> >Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>
> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>
> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Hi Chris, you inspired me to make a post on my blog on this very topic
:
http://historian2wheels.blogspot.com...-you-keep.html

On Apr 3, 11:11 pm, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
> support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
> people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>
> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> against those who tempt me with food.
>
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
> Cubit
> 190/173/160
>
> Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.

Don't count on it. It's still lonely down here. Sometimes people have
the illusion that losing weight will solve all their problems, attract
friends, make them smarter, prettier, and better adjusted. In the end,
weight loss has to be its own reward....cause often there is nobody to
appreciate the effort.

I still remember how proud I was of my weight loss...yet people I knew
were more likely to ask if I had been sick.....SICK, like I was gaunt
and unhealthy. It just pissed me off. One guy even asked if I had
cancer. A couple of people did say I looked great, so I went with that
opinion since it was also my own.

People fight you the entire way to weight loss too stating all sorts
of opinions about what you are doing WRONG. You just have to fight
back. What it did for me was make me MORE resolved, so in a way those
comments helped. People in Texas think vegetarianism is a disease to
begin with, so I just don't bring it up. Of course we have the fattest
people in the US I'm convinced, so what the hell do they know.

Just stick with it. dkw

"Chris Braun" <braun@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote in message
news:8857131dgf5barqvotc6egmhuh9g68e6nr@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>
>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
>>people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>
>>I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>>left
>>with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>
>>I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>>against those who tempt me with food.
>>
>>Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>
>>Cubit
>>190/173/160
>>
>>Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>
>
> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>
> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004


I've discovered that in the last 4 years since losing weight that I have all
new friends from the time when I started. I've even changed volleyball teams
from one that values going out and drinking (before and after) on game
nights to one that wants to get together to practice and run drills. Go
figure.
My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms and
bike trails instead.
--
the volleyballchick

"Nunya B." <nunyadayumbidnez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:57khslF2c3ab8U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Chris Braun" <braun@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote in message
> news:8857131dgf5barqvotc6egmhuh9g68e6nr@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>>
>>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the
>>>fat
>>>people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>>
>>>I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>>>left
>>>with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>>
>>>I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>>>against those who tempt me with food.
>>>
>>>Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>>
>>>Cubit
>>>190/173/160
>>>
>>>Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>>
>>
>> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
>> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>>
>> Chris
>> 262/130s/130s
>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>
>
> I've discovered that in the last 4 years since losing weight that I have
> all new friends from the time when I started. I've even changed volleyball
> teams from one that values going out and drinking (before and after) on
> game nights to one that wants to get together to practice and run drills.
> Go figure.
> My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms and
> bike trails instead.
> --
> the volleyballchick

I didn't take Cris B's comment seriously, but you seem to have some real
insight, here, Volleyballchick. To me, changing friends would be a very
hard thing. However, your success with this is inspiring.

Cubit

dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:> opinion since it was also my own.
>
snip
> People fight you the entire way to weight loss too stating all sorts
> of opinions about what you are doing WRONG. You just have to fight
> back. What it did for me was make me MORE resolved, so in a way those
> comments helped. People in Texas think vegetarianism is a disease to
> begin with, so I just don't bring it up. Of course we have the fattest
> people in the US I'm convinced, so what the hell do they know.
>
> Just stick with it. dkw
>
Never been to Wisconsin, eh?

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, Cubit wrote:

> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
> with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>
> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
> against those who tempt me with food.
>
> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.

If you will notice, you constantly post to a FOOD related group, you
used the word FOOD in every paragraph above and you even had to include
a PS about FOOD.

Here's a clue up.

Your life still revolves around food, maybe that's the real problem, eh?

"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
news:vCaRh.5254$u03.334@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net ...
>
> "Nunya B." <nunyadayumbidnez@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:57khslF2c3ab8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Chris Braun" <braun@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote in message
>> news:8857131dgf5barqvotc6egmhuh9g68e6nr@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>>>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the
>>>>fat
>>>>people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>>>
>>>>I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>>>>left
>>>>with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>>>
>>>>I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>>>>against those who tempt me with food.
>>>>
>>>>Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Cubit
>>>>190/173/160
>>>>
>>>>Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
>>> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> 262/130s/130s
>>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>>
>>
>> I've discovered that in the last 4 years since losing weight that I have
>> all new friends from the time when I started. I've even changed
>> volleyball teams from one that values going out and drinking (before and
>> after) on game nights to one that wants to get together to practice and
>> run drills. Go figure.
>> My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms
>> and bike trails instead.
>> --
>> the volleyballchick
>
> I didn't take Cris B's comment seriously, but you seem to have some real
> insight, here, Volleyballchick. To me, changing friends would be a very
> hard thing. However, your success with this is inspiring.
>
> Cubit
>

It wasn't a conscious decision - I didn't seek out new people. It just sort
of happened. It's not like I've dropped my old friends, but I definitely
don't socialize as regularly or as closely with my old friends as I used to.
There's still weddings, etc. Most of my friends are people I work with so I
haven't lost contact. Meanwhile my newer activities in life have brought me
new people with whom I have more things in common.
Friday nights used to be drinking too much and eating bar food, now it's
getting together with other couples to bowl, go boating, or play Nintendo
Wii - usually after DH and I have hit the gym. There's still some drinking,
but it's not the focus of the evening and dinners tend to be less deep-fried
and cheese coated .
--
the volleyballchick

On Apr 5, 1:00 pm, Del Cecchi <cecchinos...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote:> opinion since it was also my own.
>
> snip
> > People fight you the entire way to weight loss too stating all sorts
> > of opinions about what you are doing WRONG. You just have to fight
> > back. What it did for me was make me MORE resolved, so in a way those
> > comments helped. People in Texas think vegetarianism is a disease to
> > begin with, so I just don't bring it up. Of course we have the fattest
> > people in the US I'm convinced, so what the hell do they know.
>
> > Just stick with it. dkw
>
> Never been to Wisconsin, eh?
>
> --
> Del Cecchi
> "This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's positions,
> strategies or opinions."

I lived in Rockford, Illinois and got up to S. Wisconsin a lot. Liked
their cheese. Hated their taxes. LOL dkw

On 5 Apr 2007 04:52:48 -0700, "The Historian"
<neil.thehistorian@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 4, 7:08 am, Chris Braun <b...@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
>> >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>> >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the fat
>> >people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>
>> >I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm left
>> >with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>
>> >I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>> >against those who tempt me with food.
>>
>> >Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>
>> >Cubit
>> >190/173/160
>>
>> >Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>
>> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
>> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>>
>> Chris
>> 262/130s/130s
>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>
>Hi Chris, you inspired me to make a post on my blog on this very topic
>:
>http://historian2wheels.blogspot.com...-you-keep.html
>

Nicely done! I too haven't read "The Secret" but think it sounds like
hooey.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:47:07 GMT, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:

>
>"Nunya B." <nunyadayumbidnez@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:57khslF2c3ab8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Chris Braun" <braun@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote in message
>> news:8857131dgf5barqvotc6egmhuh9g68e6nr@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used to
>>>>support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the
>>>>fat
>>>>people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>>>
>>>>I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>>>>left
>>>>with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>>>
>>>>I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>>>>against those who tempt me with food.
>>>>
>>>>Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Cubit
>>>>190/173/160
>>>>
>>>>Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
>>> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> 262/130s/130s
>>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>>
>>
>> I've discovered that in the last 4 years since losing weight that I have
>> all new friends from the time when I started. I've even changed volleyball
>> teams from one that values going out and drinking (before and after) on
>> game nights to one that wants to get together to practice and run drills.
>> Go figure.
>> My social life no longer revolves around restaurants and bars but gyms and
>> bike trails instead.
>> --
>> the volleyballchick
>
>I didn't take Cris B's comment seriously, but you seem to have some real
>insight, here, Volleyballchick. To me, changing friends would be a very
>hard thing. However, your success with this is inspiring.
>
>Cubit
>

Well, I actually meant it seriously. You would probably enjoy getting
to know people who share some of your new interests -- and clubs and
such are a good way to do that. And it would help with the "sabotage"
problem you're having with some of your old friends.

I saw the video for "The Secret." While it is hooey, it works. I think it
works, like a placebo works.

Don't mess with my placebos. hehe

"Chris Braun" <braun@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote in message
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> On 5 Apr 2007 04:52:48 -0700, "The Historian"
> <neil.thehistorian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 4, 7:08 am, Chris Braun <b...@mill-creek-systems.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
>>> >As I move down in weight, I seem to do battle with everyone that used
>>> >to
>>> >support me back when I weighed 300. Once you get below the BMI of the
>>> >fat
>>> >people you know, they become serious adversaries to what you are doing.
>>>
>>> >I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>>> >left
>>> >with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>>
>>> >I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>>> >against those who tempt me with food.
>>>
>>> >Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>>>
>>> >Cubit
>>> >190/173/160
>>>
>>> >Lately, it seems like my 20 pound dog eats more than I do.
>>>
>>> You need to find friends with whom you have a shared interest other
>>> than gluttony :-). Do you belong to any clubs or anything?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> 262/130s/130s
>>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>>
>>Hi Chris, you inspired me to make a post on my blog on this very topic
>>:
>>http://historian2wheels.blogspot.com...-you-keep.html
>>
>
> Nicely done! I too haven't read "The Secret" but think it sounds like
> hooey.
>
> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been
successful in fighting obesity.

There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group.


"Mu" <nocowinthismu@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:11:34 -0800, Cubit wrote:
>
>> I liked the warm fuzzy feeling that the world was on my side. Now, I'm
>> left
>> with a hostile attitude where I am defensive about food.
>>
>> I want to do this for me, and not be distracted with spiteful thoughts
>> against those who tempt me with food.
>>
>> Also, TV commercials showing food should be illegal.
>
> If you will notice, you constantly post to a FOOD related group, you
> used the word FOOD in every paragraph above and you even had to include
> a PS about FOOD.
>
> Here's a clue up.
>
> Your life still revolves around food, maybe that's the real problem, eh?

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:53:52 GMT, Cubit wrote:

> My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been
> successful in fighting obesity.
>
> There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group.

Cubit, when food is NOT the focus, you don't worry about eating, eating
becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height
but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success.

On Apr 9, 8:41 pm, Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:53:52 GMT, Cubit wrote:
> > My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been
> > successful in fighting obesity.
>
> > There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group.
>
> Cubit, when food is NOT the focus, you don't worry about eating, eating
> becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height
> but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success.

Amazing. According to "Mu", one can judge a proper weight without
knowing the height. Hey "Mu", should I try to get below 160, and thus
in your books become a 'success'?

> On Apr 9, 8:41 pm, Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:53:52 GMT, Cubit wrote:
>>> My focus on food is not the reason for obesity, it is the reason I have been
>>> successful in fighting obesity.
>>
>>> There is something primal in the social effects of people eating in a group.
>>
>> Cubit, when food is NOT the focus, you don't worry about eating, eating
>> becomes a function of necessity. Your stats don't indicate your height
>> but 160 pounds ain't what I would call success.

On 10 Apr 2007 02:54:30 -0700, The Historian wrote:

> Amazing.

Oh, blush blush but go on.

On 10 Apr 2007 02:54:30 -0700, The Historian wrote:

> According to "Mu",

Yes "The Historian"...

> one can judge a proper weight without
> knowing the height. Hey "Mu", should I try to get below 160, and thus
> in your books become a 'success'?

Since I don't know if "The Historian" is a male or female, I have no
comment for Usenet "History".

However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be
considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has
written by not having to look over her belly. Kidding, kidding!

Taking that you, "The Historian", from mu "Mu", being you have
self-appointed yourself as the Cubit Personal Saviour From Harm, I will
defer from enlightening you as to Cubit's past, and many others here,
who regardless of your or assessment of their height-weight ratios
continue to view food as a worthwhile subject of (near) hourly concern.

For if one is busy, as we all are or should be, and focused on things in
our lives much important, then food becomes like a gas station stop. A
very needed, necessary stop in life. Not one we talk about constantly or
plan our familial, social and working lives around.

Cubit, and many, many others, who are attempting to reduce their weight,
look at food not as refueling (as in the case of our cars); they plan
time, days, events, lives around eating. Do any of us plan our trips to
Exxon in this way?

Of course we do not but food is no different than gas, relatively
speaking.

So Dear "The Historian" Cubit's Knight In Shining ArmourAll, the facts
still stand, as they ever did when Mu first appeared on support diet
groups, people are fat because they overconsum. To a none, those that do
overconsum have not learned to treat food as gas but more like oxygen.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:37:36 -0400, Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com>
wrote:

>However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be
>considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has
>written by not having to look over her belly. Kidding, kidding!

This is my first day in this group, and I don't know who the good guys
are and who the bad guys are, but it would seem to me that you may be
one of the first to make my killfile, other than the obvious trolls.
I'll give a few more days, but this is my 'first' impression. Just
wanted to let you know.

--
Zilbandy

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:52:40 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:37:36 -0400, Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be
>>considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has
>>written by not having to look over her belly. Kidding, kidding!
>
> This is my first day in this group, and I don't know who the good guys
> are and who the bad guys are, but it would seem to me that you may be
> one of the first to make my killfile, other than the obvious trolls.
> I'll give a few more days, but this is my 'first' impression. Just
> wanted to let you know.

Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and
all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make
intelligent decisions from that history.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:51:51 -0400, Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and
>all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make
>intelligent decisions from that history.

Fair enough. I really shouldn't have made any comments on day one
anyway. It's just, at my age, you never know if there will be a day
two. Sorry for jumping out on the wrong walker... errr wrong foot.

--
Zilbandy

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:34:42 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:51:51 -0400, Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Do as you wish but let me suggest that you do your homework on Mu and
>>all other posters here via the Usenet archives from Google Groups. Make
>>intelligent decisions from that history.
>
> Fair enough. I really shouldn't have made any comments on day one
> anyway. It's just, at my age, you never know if there will be a day
> two. Sorry for jumping out on the wrong walker... errr wrong foot.

I hope you have not a long life but the life that you want.

On Apr 12, 11:52 pm, Zilbandy <z...@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:37:36 -0400, Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >However, I know of very few females who carry 160 lbs that would not be
> >considered obese. Which is why Cubit top posts so to see what she has
> >written by not having to look over her belly. Kidding, kidding!
>
> This is my first day in this group, and I don't know who the good guys
> are and who the bad guys are, but it would seem to me that you may be
> one of the first to make my killfile, other than the obvious trolls.
> I'll give a few more days, but this is my 'first' impression. Just
> wanted to let you know.
>
> --
> Zilbandy

You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are
guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy.

Diva
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

On 13 Apr 2007 05:52:42 -0700, "Diva" <c.frilegh@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are
>guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy.

It's the same everywhere. I'll get a feel for things over the next few
weeks / months. I think I'll like this group, though. I'm not saying
I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short
for my current weight.

--
Zilbandy

"Zilbandy" <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Apr 2007 05:52:42 -0700, "Diva" <c.frilegh@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>You can see already that not all of us are good and not all of us are
>>guys. Welcome to the hornet's nest Zilbandy.
>
> It's the same everywhere. I'll get a feel for things over the next few
> weeks / months. I think I'll like this group, though. I'm not saying
> I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short
> for my current weight.
>
> --
> Zilbandy

LOL.... My mother used to say she wasn't overweight she was just undertall.

Welcome.

Beverly

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:45:26 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

>
> It's the same everywhere. I'll get a feel for things over the next few
> weeks / months. I think I'll like this group, though. I'm not saying
> I'm overweight or anything, but I will say I'm about 3 feet too short
> for my current weight.

Hey, welcome!

I don't expect we can do much about the height issue, LOL, but we are
here to lend an ear.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152