I purchased FitDay

I was very surprised and pleased about how easy it is to use. I hate
counting calories, have put it off for a long time, and this software
practically does it for me so... a good thing.

(no, I'm not pushing FitDay, jus' sayin')

Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.

And the worst thing is, I really *tried*. This afternoon I felt like
there was a beast in my stomach screaming EAT SOMETHING OR DIE, and I
still held out and didn't binge like I felt compelled to do.

I still had almost 1,000 calories more than I wanted to take in today
and I ate almost nothing compared to what I usually eat.

This is going to be harder than I thought. :-/

"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5c42j$4e6$1@aioe.org...
>I was very surprised and pleased about how easy it is to use. I hate
>counting calories, have put it off for a long time, and this software
>practically does it for me so... a good thing.
>
> (no, I'm not pushing FitDay, jus' sayin')
>
> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> And the worst thing is, I really *tried*. This afternoon I felt like
> there was a beast in my stomach screaming EAT SOMETHING OR DIE, and I
> still held out and didn't binge like I felt compelled to do.
>
> I still had almost 1,000 calories more than I wanted to take in today and
> I ate almost nothing compared to what I usually eat.
>
> This is going to be harder than I thought. :-/

Fitday is a great tool. I think most of us use it - at least the free
version of it.

Any time you reduce your intake from what you are used to, there is a period
of time that the body protests and you'll feel tired and crabby. Then it
adapts, and that feeling goes away. One way to combat that is to make small
changes - say cut your typical intake by 500 calories per day for a week.
Then take it down a bit more. Also, make sure that what do you eat really
counts. Pick foods that are really going to nourish and energize your body.
If you used to eat 4000 calories of crap, and now you eat 2000 calories of
crap, you'll feel like crap. But if you now eat 2000 calories of healthy,
well-balanced fuel, you should actually feel better.

I've used fitday for several years and like both versions - online and
offline software.


"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5c42j$4e6$1@aioe.org...
>I was very surprised and pleased about how easy it is to use. I hate
>counting calories, have put it off for a long time, and this software
>practically does it for me so... a good thing.
>
> (no, I'm not pushing FitDay, jus' sayin')
>
> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> And the worst thing is, I really *tried*. This afternoon I felt like
> there was a beast in my stomach screaming EAT SOMETHING OR DIE, and I
> still held out and didn't binge like I felt compelled to do.
>
> I still had almost 1,000 calories more than I wanted to take in today and
> I ate almost nothing compared to what I usually eat.
>
> This is going to be harder than I thought. :-/

Beverly wrote:

> I've used fitday for several years and like both versions - online and
> offline software.


How has it impacted your weight loss goals?

determined wrote:
> Fitday is a great tool. I think most of us use it - at least the free
> version of it.
>
> Any time you reduce your intake from what you are used to, there is a period
> of time that the body protests and you'll feel tired and crabby. Then it
> adapts, and that feeling goes away. One way to combat that is to make small
> changes - say cut your typical intake by 500 calories per day for a week.
> Then take it down a bit more. Also, make sure that what do you eat really
> counts. Pick foods that are really going to nourish and energize your body.
> If you used to eat 4000 calories of crap, and now you eat 2000 calories of
> crap, you'll feel like crap. But if you now eat 2000 calories of healthy,
> well-balanced fuel, you should actually feel better.


Sounds logical. I luckily happened on a nutritionist's site this
morning, one where she answers all sorts of questions, entered some
basic information and received some suggestions about how much fat,
carbohydrate, etc. I should be taking in each day based on my diet goal.
I'm even more pleased than yesterday as it seems to be slowly but
surely coming together for me.

I was once more surprised (based on FitDay calculations) on exactly how
much 'junk' I'm eating per day - the maximum value being 4 times more
than I should of some foods. Yikes.

On Jun 21, 4:37 am, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> Beverly wrote:
> > I've used fitday for several years and like both versions - online and
> > offline software.
>
> How has it impacted your weight loss goals?

I lost my origianl weight through the WW program back in 1996. I've
used Fitday since that time whenever I see a few pounds coming back.
It helps me to keep on track and lets me see where I'm adding those
additional calories.

I must say exercise has been the largest reason I've been able to
maintain my weight loss. In the winter months when I'm not able to
get out on the bike as often I see the weight slowly creep up.

Beverly

If I may suggest, eliminating large meals and having a large number of small
meals.


"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5c42j$4e6$1@aioe.org...
>I was very surprised and pleased about how easy it is to use. I hate
>counting calories, have put it off for a long time, and this software
>practically does it for me so... a good thing.
>
> (no, I'm not pushing FitDay, jus' sayin')
>
> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> And the worst thing is, I really *tried*. This afternoon I felt like
> there was a beast in my stomach screaming EAT SOMETHING OR DIE, and I
> still held out and didn't binge like I felt compelled to do.
>
> I still had almost 1,000 calories more than I wanted to take in today and
> I ate almost nothing compared to what I usually eat.
>
> This is going to be harder than I thought. :-/

On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.

LOL!

What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
twice the calories that you need?

"Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> LOL!
>
> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
> twice the calories that you need?
>

Maybe she was abstaining from sex?

"em" <i@dun.no> wrote in message
news:UOyei.429829$g24.253392@newsfe12.phx...
>
> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>> twice the calories that you need?

Well, in the case of someone who is significantly overweight, 3000-6000
calories is not all that abnormal.

Cubit wrote:

> If I may suggest, eliminating large meals and having a large number of small
> meals.


Exactly.

Another thing I think helps, find out what compels you to eat, and deal
with the problem at the source instead of auto-self-medicating with food.

(or drugs, or alcohol, or sex, or spending, or bullying... but this is a
weight loss specific newsgroup, so...)

Beverly wrote:
> On Jun 21, 4:37 am, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>> Beverly wrote:
>>> I've used fitday for several years and like both versions - online and
>>> offline software.
>> How has it impacted your weight loss goals?
>
> I lost my origianl weight through the WW program back in 1996. I've
> used Fitday since that time whenever I see a few pounds coming back.
> It helps me to keep on track and lets me see where I'm adding those
> additional calories.
>
> I must say exercise has been the largest reason I've been able to
> maintain my weight loss. In the winter months when I'm not able to
> get out on the bike as often I see the weight slowly creep up.


I'm finding FitDay is excellent for accountability.
Good tip about the exercise.

em wrote:
>
> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>> twice the calories that you need?
>>
>
> Maybe she was abstaining from sex?


The lack of imagination in these answers depresses me.

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> LOL!


How rude. I'll remember your name and treat you with the respect you
deserve. Or maybe I'll treat you with the respect befitting someone who
knows how to respond to strangers in public. But would you realize you
were being shown a good example? Probably not. Still, it might be
worth a try.


> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
> twice the calories that you need?


First, it's abstinence from binge-eating. The word 'abstain' doesn't
pertain solely to caloric intake.

Second, how do you know how many calories I need unless I provide you
with my height, weight, body type, or BMI, etc.? You don't.

Friendly unsolicited advice: Sometimes it's better to scoff in silence
until you have all the facts, lest you show your ignorance and make a
fool of yourself in front of others.

determined wrote:
> "em" <i@dun.no> wrote in message
> news:UOyei.429829$g24.253392@newsfe12.phx...
>> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>>> twice the calories that you need?
>
> Well, in the case of someone who is significantly overweight, 3000-6000
> calories is not all that abnormal.


Thank you. At least there's one decently intelligent person in this group.

Although in my past experience when there's something interesting going
on the lowest common element does tend to jump in first, so this initial
bad impression may not be the correct one.

"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5tan1$sg0$2@aioe.org...
> em wrote:
>>
>> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>>> twice the calories that you need?
>>>
>>
>> Maybe she was abstaining from sex?
>
>
> The lack of imagination in these answers depresses me.

Well, then, lets see some of your clever wit. Sorry you're having a bad day,
that doesn't mean you have to "get everyone back" by saying something nasty.
And by the way, the quote goes, "Tis far better to remain silent and let
everyone think you're a fool then to speak and remove all doubt."

em wrote:
>
> "Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5tan1$sg0$2@aioe.org...
>> em wrote:
>>>
>>> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>>>> twice the calories that you need?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe she was abstaining from sex?
>>
>>
>> The lack of imagination in these answers depresses me.
>
> Well, then, lets see some of your clever wit.


I don't perform without a contract.


> Sorry you're having a bad
> day,


What makes you think I'm having a bad day? I had a rather good day,
actually.


> that doesn't mean you have to "get everyone back" by saying
> something nasty.


I wrote what I thought was a relevant post based on software I'd heard
mentioned many times and a concept that seems to work (keeping track of
calorie intake), then came back to find a couple people had responded on
topic but one chose to scoff at me while another tried to appear cute by
speculating on my sex life. While it's no skin off my nose in the big
scheme I do reserve the right to respond. If that offends you perhaps
you should spend a few moments wondering why. Also, in my opinion my
response wasn't nasty. If I'd wanted to be nasty I could've done a much
better job.


> And by the way, the quote goes, "Tis far better to
> remain silent and let everyone think you're a fool then to speak and
> remove all doubt."


If I'd wanted to quote I would've quoted. Search engines lie at my
fingertips just as they do yours.

"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5talr$sg0$1@aioe.org...
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>
>> LOL!
>
>
> How rude. I'll remember your name and treat you with the respect you
> deserve. Or maybe I'll treat you with the respect befitting someone who
> knows how to respond to strangers in public. But would you realize you
> were being shown a good example? Probably not. Still, it might be worth
> a try.

How about killfiling this person or ignoring them? Falling to their level
isn't going to earn you any respect here.

"Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5tase$sg0$3@aioe.org...
> determined wrote:
>> "em" <i@dun.no> wrote in message
>> news:UOyei.429829$g24.253392@newsfe12.phx...
>>> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>>>> twice the calories that you need?
>>
>> Well, in the case of someone who is significantly overweight, 3000-6000
>> calories is not all that abnormal.
>
>
> Thank you. At least there's one decently intelligent person in this
> group.

There are many intelligent people on this ng. But if you are not thick
skinned, chances are you will get offended. There are the retards, the
spammers, the trolls. Then there are the regulars, who don't sugar coat
anything. You aren't going to get warm fuzzy hugs, but you will get useful
information, practical advice, and a swift kick in the ass if you need it.

determined wrote:
> "Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5talr$sg0$1@aioe.org...
>> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>> LOL!
>>
>> How rude. I'll remember your name and treat you with the respect you
>> deserve. Or maybe I'll treat you with the respect befitting someone who
>> knows how to respond to strangers in public. But would you realize you
>> were being shown a good example? Probably not. Still, it might be worth
>> a try.
>
> How about killfiling this person or ignoring them? Falling to their level
> isn't going to earn you any respect here.


I haven't so far. I won't pay attention to them in the future, that's
for sure.

And for the record I didn't come here for respect, I came for help and
info. If I gain respect, good. If not, I lived for a long time before
I began reading this newsgroup, I imagine I'll continue to do okay
without the people here liking me.

determined wrote:
> "Lisa" <Lisa@askme.com> wrote in message news:f5tase$sg0$3@aioe.org...
>> determined wrote:
>>> "em" <i@dun.no> wrote in message
>>> news:UOyei.429829$g24.253392@newsfe12.phx...
>>>> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
>>>>>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
>>>>> twice the calories that you need?
>>> Well, in the case of someone who is significantly overweight, 3000-6000
>>> calories is not all that abnormal.
>>
>> Thank you. At least there's one decently intelligent person in this
>> group.
>
> There are many intelligent people on this ng. But if you are not thick
> skinned, chances are you will get offended. There are the retards, the
> spammers, the trolls. Then there are the regulars, who don't sugar coat
> anything. You aren't going to get warm fuzzy hugs, but you will get useful
> information, practical advice, and a swift kick in the ass if you need it.


All true as far as I've observed. I'm no Usenet newbie, if that's what
you're thinking, but thanks for the heads up all the same. I just
didn't feel like taking any guff off anyone that particular day.

On Jun 20, 4:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> I was very surprised and pleased about how easy it is to use. I hate
> counting calories, have put it off for a long time, and this software
> practically does it for me so... a good thing.
>
> (no, I'm not pushing FitDay, jus' sayin')
>
> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.

It sounds like you got your money's worth already with that
information.

Instead of falsely believing that you have a metablolic disorder as
many people do, you now know you are simply eating too much.

Instead of stressing about a phantom disorder you can't control you
have been given information that you can do something about.

I've read sundry articles over the years that most people, even
informed ones, will underestimate how much they eat. I've been
calorie counting for a while. Sometimes I will just write down my
food and portions and not fill in the calories for a few days. I am
always amazed how much higher my intake is over my mental estimate.

Calorie counting has to be the most underrated fitness activity.

For ~10 min a day you lose pounds a month just by accurately tracking
your intake and levelling off the excess.

I still get impressed how it isn't what most people consider to be a
reasonable meal that gets them, that it is the harmless little snacks,
nibbling from the refrigerator, tasting from a pot, and "occasional"
binges that pack the weight on.

I think many people would lose most of their excess weight if they
just stopped those behaviors.

Steve wrote:
> It sounds like you got your money's worth already with that
> information.
>
> Instead of falsely believing that you have a metablolic disorder as
> many people do, you now know you are simply eating too much.
>
> Instead of stressing about a phantom disorder you can't control you
> have been given information that you can do something about.
>
> I've read sundry articles over the years that most people, even
> informed ones, will underestimate how much they eat. I've been
> calorie counting for a while. Sometimes I will just write down my
> food and portions and not fill in the calories for a few days. I am
> always amazed how much higher my intake is over my mental estimate.
>
> Calorie counting has to be the most underrated fitness activity.
>
> For ~10 min a day you lose pounds a month just by accurately tracking
> your intake and levelling off the excess.
>
> I still get impressed how it isn't what most people consider to be a
> reasonable meal that gets them, that it is the harmless little snacks,
> nibbling from the refrigerator, tasting from a pot, and "occasional"
> binges that pack the weight on.
>
> I think many people would lose most of their excess weight if they
> just stopped those behaviors.


I've narrowed it down even further (for myself) since writing that post.

Oh how I'd love to tell all overweight people I've found the 'fountain
of weight loss', blanket solution that'd help us all but I can't. Can
only say I'm busy exploring/paying attention to my own personal journey
and finding the traps. Anyway...

I'm seriously beginning to believe from the time I was a child I've
fallen prey to over-sized portions and pushed consumerism when it came
to food. (and all else for that matter) This is one instance bigger
definitely isn't better. I'm going to have to *completely* re-learn.

Now, I agree with the Historian when he posted (some time back) that
obesity didn't equal victimhood and 'fat' didn't just happen. The thing
is, though, that you learn the wrong thing to begin with, then when you
finally wake up and realize it's wrong and begin looking for solutions,
the solutions presented to you are false at worse or misleading at best.
Leading me to believe making healthy lifestyle changes isn't a task
for the weak-hearted or those lacking in a real desire to analyze, work
(work, work) and change.

The people doing it or maintaining are real modern day heroes a cut
above the norm.

On Jun 27, 2:29 am, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> em wrote:
>
> > "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1182446206.975626.215830@i13g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
> >> On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> >>> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> >>> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> >> LOL!
>
> >> What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
> >> twice the calories that you need?
>
> > Maybe she was abstaining from sex?
>
> The lack of imagination in these answers depresses me.

And that, of course, calls for an immediate donut!

On Jun 27, 2:29 am, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 1:52 pm, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> >> Today was a day of abstinence for me, my first. I felt like I was
> >> starving to death, and I still ended up taking in over 3,000 calories.
>
> > LOL!
>
> How rude.

Laughing isn't rude. It's just a basic response to something funny. If
you don't want that response, then don't behave in ways that evoke it.
In other words, don't be laughable and people won't laugh.

> I'll remember your name ...

Ooh, a stalker. Do you want my phone number and address too?

> Or maybe I'll treat you with the respect befitting someone who
> knows how to respond to strangers in public.

Or, rather, you will /think/ you're doing that, while in fact rudely
patronizing me with a lecture on manners.

> > What sort of abstinence is it, when you're taking in something like
> > twice the calories that you need?
>
> First, it's abstinence from binge-eating. The word 'abstain' doesn't
> pertain solely to caloric intake.

Other than in jest, you cannot indulge in excess and call it
abstinence from hyper-excess.

It's comical to abuse the word that way.

> Second, how do you know how many calories I need unless I provide you
> with my height, weight, body type, or BMI, etc.? You don't.

No woman needs 3000 calories per day unless she's training for Beijing
2008, or is something like seven feet tall and highly muscular.

On Jun 27, 10:19 am, Lisa <L...@askme.com> wrote:
> em wrote:
>
> > "Lisa" <L...@askme.com> wrote in messagenews:f5tan1$sg0$2@aioe.org...
> >> em wrote:>
> >>> Maybe she was abstaining from sex?
>
> >> The lack of imagination in these answers depresses me.
>
> > Well, then, lets see some of your clever wit.
>
> I don't perform without a contract.

A contract usually purchases the actual application of one's intellect
and skill. Wit is merely the demonstration which may help win such a
contract. Those who /can/ demonstrate, usually do so, liberally.

> > Sorry you're having a bad
> > day,
>
> What makes you think I'm having a bad day?

You do know that ``sorry you're having a bad day'' really means ``I
suspect you might have a bad personality, but I'm willing to believe
it's just a bad day''?

> I had a rather good day, actually.

That is to say, you're confirming that it's the personality.