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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
sirch
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Hi Yous Guys,
I joined a couple of days ago and just thought
I'd throw in my little story...

About 10 years ago I lost 40lbs on basically a starvation
diet. I went from 205 down to 165 in the matter of 4 months.
I lost a huge amount, if not all of my muscle because obviously
I wasn't getting enough calories from fat to keep it. Also as you
would guess, I gained all that weight back after about a year of losing
it.

Now, for about two weeks I have gone on a macronutrient
diet and I am eating more food than I ever have before...

Here is what I'm doing:

Eating meals 5 times a day in 3 hour increments
I'm eating in smaller portions, and trying to understand
the right equivelents of Protein, Carbs, and Fats ratio's
to eat.

Example: 6 am meal

2 eggs: 1 White 1 Whole = 97 cal
1 slice whole wheat toast = 40
1/2 cup cereal (Post: Honey bunch of Oats) = 170
1/2 Orange slices. = 20

Total = 327 calories

Started two weeks ago:
Age 43. 5'8 male
195 Lbs
23.3% body fat

Calories per day 2501
Reducing back to 2000
a day for negative calorie balance
30 minute brisk walk a day -
I've lost 8 lbs now at 187

Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
stuffing myself anymore, however what I don't get
is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
diet?

Also, I'm finding it hard to eat 2000 calories a day (about 400 cals a meal)
with this diet without eating too much Fat!! Any suggestions?




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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
comp_n_chess@hotmail.com
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sirch wrote:

> Now, for about two weeks I have gone on a macronutrient
> diet and I am eating more food than I ever have before...<snip>
> Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
> stuffing myself anymore


That's great!

, however what I don't get
> is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
> diet?


According to Mayo Clinic dietitians, staying within these ranges is a
good idea:

45% - 65% of calories from carbohydrates
<300mg cholesterol
20% - 35% of calories from fat
<10% calories from saturated fat
21-25g fiber for women, 30-38g fiber for men
10% - 35% of calories from protein

That's a starting point, though it doesn't endorse a specific ratio.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/healthy-diet/NU00200

> Also, I'm finding it hard to eat 2000 calories a day (about 400 cals a meal)
> with this diet without eating too much Fat!! Any suggestions?


I keep hitting the low-end of the suggested fat range each day--22%,
24%, and 23%. Cereals, rice, oatmeal, breads, vegetables, and soups are
all low in fat.

Good luck, sirch.

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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
Bill Eitner
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> Now, for about two weeks I have gone on a macronutrient
> diet and I am eating more food than I ever have before...


What's a "macronutrient diet?"
Sounds like you've coined a new term.

> Here is what I'm doing:
>
> Eating meals 5 times a day in 3 hour increments
> I'm eating in smaller portions, and trying to understand
> the right equivelents of Protein, Carbs, and Fats ratio's
> to eat.


There is no one macronutrient ratio that
is right for everyone. That's why there
are published diet programs with macronutrient
ratios all across the spectrum (low-carb, low-
fat and moderate). Any one of them might be
best for a particular person. The trick is
to figure out which is best for you.

> Example: 6 am meal
>
> 2 eggs: 1 White 1 Whole = 97 cal
> 1 slice whole wheat toast = 40
> 1/2 cup cereal (Post: Honey bunch of Oats) = 170
> 1/2 Orange slices. = 20
>
> Total = 327 calories
>
> Started two weeks ago:
> Age 43. 5'8 male
> 195 Lbs
> 23.3% body fat
>
> Calories per day 2501
> Reducing back to 2000
> a day for negative calorie balance
> 30 minute brisk walk a day -
> I've lost 8 lbs now at 187
>
> Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
> stuffing myself anymore, however what I don't get
> is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
> diet?


You can use a journaling program or a food counts
book to figure the macronutrient ratio of your
current diet since you're happy with it.

Another way to figure out a starting macronutrient
range would be to take a metabolic typing test.

I have both a metabolic typing test and a copy of
journaling program in my online briefcase. You're
welcome to download and make use of them. Here's
a link: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kd6tas

> Also, I'm finding it hard to eat 2000 calories a day (about 400 cals a meal)
> with this diet without eating too much Fat!! Any suggestions?


How much is too much? Earlier you said that you're
looking for the right macronutrient ratio. That
suggests that you're undecided--yet you've decided
to condemn fat. Fat isn't the universal dietary
demon that's it's been made out to be. If you decide
to learn more about nutrition, don't fall into the
trap of starting out biased against fat. The low
and moderate carb diets work well for a lot of people.

Good luck.
--
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
Doug Freyburger
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sirch wrote:
>
> Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
> stuffing myself anymore, however what I don't get
> is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
> diet?


The idea that there is a best ratio is a false idea. There are
many ratios that work. It's why low carb, low fat and so on
exist and work.

That said, it's best to follow the directions in the book for
your plan. What does the book say?

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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
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"sirch" <sirch@sover.net> wrote in message
news:454b4056$0$13805$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net...
> Hi Yous Guys,
> I joined a couple of days ago and just thought
> I'd throw in my little story...
>
> About 10 years ago I lost 40lbs on basically a starvation
> diet. I went from 205 down to 165 in the matter of 4 months.
> I lost a huge amount, if not all of my muscle because obviously
> I wasn't getting enough calories from fat to keep it. Also as you
> would guess, I gained all that weight back after about a year of losing
> it.
>
> Now, for about two weeks I have gone on a macronutrient
> diet and I am eating more food than I ever have before...
>
> Here is what I'm doing:
>
> Eating meals 5 times a day in 3 hour increments
> I'm eating in smaller portions, and trying to understand
> the right equivelents of Protein, Carbs, and Fats ratio's
> to eat.
>
> Example: 6 am meal
>
> 2 eggs: 1 White 1 Whole = 97 cal
> 1 slice whole wheat toast = 40
> 1/2 cup cereal (Post: Honey bunch of Oats) = 170
> 1/2 Orange slices. = 20
>
> Total = 327 calories
>
> Started two weeks ago:
> Age 43. 5'8 male
> 195 Lbs
> 23.3% body fat
>
> Calories per day 2501
> Reducing back to 2000
> a day for negative calorie balance
> 30 minute brisk walk a day -
> I've lost 8 lbs now at 187
>
> Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
> stuffing myself anymore, however what I don't get
> is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
> diet?
>
> Also, I'm finding it hard to eat 2000 calories a day (about 400 cals a

meal)
> with this diet without eating too much Fat!! Any suggestions?
>
>
>

Thank you guys so much for the advice and information.
It is going to help alot. What I find most interesting about
eating 5 times a day is eventhough most of the food I eat
is low in fat (Which I know I need to include, probably more now)
I really don't feel hungry or want to over eat ( except last night when
I had chinese food! LOL!)






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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
sirch
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"Bill Eitner" <kd6tas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:74N2h.1299$r12.500@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com ...
> > Now, for about two weeks I have gone on a macronutrient
> > diet and I am eating more food than I ever have before...

>
> What's a "macronutrient diet?"
> Sounds like you've coined a new term.
>
> > Here is what I'm doing:
> >
> > Eating meals 5 times a day in 3 hour increments
> > I'm eating in smaller portions, and trying to understand
> > the right equivelents of Protein, Carbs, and Fats ratio's
> > to eat.

>
> There is no one macronutrient ratio that
> is right for everyone. That's why there
> are published diet programs with macronutrient
> ratios all across the spectrum (low-carb, low-
> fat and moderate). Any one of them might be
> best for a particular person. The trick is
> to figure out which is best for you.
>
> > Example: 6 am meal
> >
> > 2 eggs: 1 White 1 Whole = 97 cal
> > 1 slice whole wheat toast = 40
> > 1/2 cup cereal (Post: Honey bunch of Oats) = 170
> > 1/2 Orange slices. = 20
> >
> > Total = 327 calories
> >
> > Started two weeks ago:
> > Age 43. 5'8 male
> > 195 Lbs
> > 23.3% body fat
> >
> > Calories per day 2501
> > Reducing back to 2000
> > a day for negative calorie balance
> > 30 minute brisk walk a day -
> > I've lost 8 lbs now at 187
> >
> > Somethings working. I'm never hungry, I don't feel like
> > stuffing myself anymore, however what I don't get
> > is how to figure out the right RATIO for this macronutient
> > diet?

>
> You can use a journaling program or a food counts
> book to figure the macronutrient ratio of your
> current diet since you're happy with it.
>
> Another way to figure out a starting macronutrient
> range would be to take a metabolic typing test.
>
> I have both a metabolic typing test and a copy of
> journaling program in my online briefcase. You're
> welcome to download and make use of them. Here's
> a link: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kd6tas
>
> > Also, I'm finding it hard to eat 2000 calories a day (about 400 cals a

meal)
> > with this diet without eating too much Fat!! Any suggestions?

>
> How much is too much? Earlier you said that you're
> looking for the right macronutrient ratio. That
> suggests that you're undecided--yet you've decided
> to condemn fat. Fat isn't the universal dietary
> demon that's it's been made out to be. If you decide
> to learn more about nutrition, don't fall into the
> trap of starting out biased against fat. The low
> and moderate carb diets work well for a lot of people.
>
> Good luck.
> --


Earlier you said that you're
> looking for the right macronutrient ratio. That
> suggests that you're undecided--yet you've decided
> to condemn fat.


No, I haven't at all decided to condem fat. My objective is to learn about
nutrition. I just don't understand yet exactly what I am supposed to be
doing
to make my diet correct. I realize a potion of my diet needs to be fat, I'm
not
sure how I arrive at the percentage correctly.

Thanks so much for the link!!!


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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
joanne
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On Nov 4, 3:39 am, "sirch" <s...@sover.net> wrote:
> What I find most interesting about eating 5 times a day is
> eventhough most of the food I eat is low in fat (Which I know I need to
> include, probably more now) I really don't feel hungry or want to over
> eat ( except last night when I had chinese food! LOL!)


Expect a temporary water weight gain from that Chinese food! :-P~
Eating 5-6 small meals helps alot of people to keep their insulin
levels/energy all day.
If you are logging your foods manually try a free online journal like
FitDay http://www.fitday.com
Or a demo version of DietPower (if you like it you can buy a version of
it): http://www.dietpower.com
Both give you the macronutrients of your daily foods in a graph/pie
form. You can easily see what you might need to increase or decrease to
make better choices.

If one googles 'macronutrient diet' there is alot on the web. Its not a
new term at all. (Zone, BFL etc are all based on macronutrients being
in proper ratios). More the buzz today is 'micronutrients' which are
vitamins and minerals and how much we should be getting (preferably
from our foods). They say that people today are overfed yet
nutritionally underfed at the same time.
About fats, yes we all bought into the fatfree craze and as Americans
are now fatter than ever. Just like we found out that not all carbs are
bad (choices choices) the same goes for fats. And a funny thing is,
when your body gets the 'right' fats (which it needs for energy on a
cellular level) it doesnt have as much tendency to hoard bodyfat for
the next percieved famine. If dieting I think under 20% of your
calories are usually suggested as coming from good fats, if not then
about 30%.

Below are some links to articles about the differences btwn fats:
http://www.udoerasmus.com/FAQ.htm
http://www.joyfulaging.com/FatDifferentTypes.htm

And a good article about the rules of good nutrition:
http://skwigg.tripod.com/id82.html

A link to a site with good tables/info about minerals and nutrients for
good health:
http://www.auniqueweigh.com/Vitamins...20Minerals.htm

Remember that increasing your nutrtional knowledge empowers you to make
this a lifestyle change and not just another diet.



joanne

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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM
Bill Eitner
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>> Earlier you said that you're
>> looking for the right macronutrient ratio. That
>> suggests that you're undecided--yet you've decided
>> to condemn fat.

>
> No, I haven't at all decided to condem fat.


But you feel that somehow you're getting too much
of it. Part of the reason you're not hungry is
that you're not over-restricting fat. The other
part is meal frequency. Frequent small meals help
prevent sharp swings in blood sugar and insulin.
Stable blood sugar and insulin levels go a long
way to prevent strong hunger and cravings. The
third part is motivation. You're highly motivated
right now. High motivation displaces minor cravings
and normal hunger.

> My objective is to learn about
> nutrition.


I understand. That's why I said what I did.
It seemed like you were harboring the preconception
that fat is bad. If it turns out that you respond
best to a low or moderate carb diet, having it in
the back of your mind that fat is bad will create
a conflict that is likely to undermine your long
term compliance. Let blood work be your guide.
Get and learn to interpret lipid panels. Add that
to your arsenal of diet and exercise feedback tools.
Over time, as you learn more, put together your own
custom diet and exercise program that works best for
you as an individual based on evaluation of overall
past performance.

> I just don't understand yet exactly what I am supposed to be
> doing
> to make my diet correct.


In time you will. Start with the type of diet that
the metabolic typing test suggests. Read a couple
of the books that are associated with it. If it's
low carb, read Atkins and Protein Power. If it's
moderate, read The Zone and The South Beach Diet.
If it's low fat, read Ornish and Pritikin. The
books teach the appropriate macronutrient ratios,
and the journaling program makes it as easy as
possible to log and adjust what you eat to achieve
the appropriate ratio.

> I realize a potion of my diet needs to be fat, I'm
> not
> sure how I arrive at the percentage correctly.


See above. The metabolic typing test result is a
good place to start. In time you may find yourself
trying other macronutrient ratios in an effort to
fine tune or just out of a desire to experiment.
Personally, I encourage macronutrient ratio
experimentation as long as one has the tools needed
to properly interpret the results and the strength
of character necessary to keep experiments from
turning into backsliding binges.

> Thanks so much for the link!!!


You're more than welcome. Those are excellent tools.
Next are library or purchased books based on the result
of the metabolic typing test. Be as honest with your
answers as possible. It's important that you answer
the questions based on how it actually is rather than
how you'd like it to be or how you think it should be.
--
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:16 AM
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"Bill Eitner" <kd6tas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ot53h.4247$9v5.1406@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>
> >> Earlier you said that you're
> >> looking for the right macronutrient ratio. That
> >> suggests that you're undecided--yet you've decided
> >> to condemn fat.

> >
> > No, I haven't at all decided to condem fat.

>
> But you feel that somehow you're getting too much
> of it. Part of the reason you're not hungry is
> that you're not over-restricting fat. The other
> part is meal frequency. Frequent small meals help
> prevent sharp swings in blood sugar and insulin.
> Stable blood sugar and insulin levels go a long
> way to prevent strong hunger and cravings. The
> third part is motivation. You're highly motivated
> right now. High motivation displaces minor cravings
> and normal hunger.
>
> > My objective is to learn about
> > nutrition.

>
> I understand. That's why I said what I did.
> It seemed like you were harboring the preconception
> that fat is bad. If it turns out that you respond
> best to a low or moderate carb diet, having it in
> the back of your mind that fat is bad will create
> a conflict that is likely to undermine your long
> term compliance. Let blood work be your guide.
> Get and learn to interpret lipid panels. Add that
> to your arsenal of diet and exercise feedback tools.
> Over time, as you learn more, put together your own
> custom diet and exercise program that works best for
> you as an individual based on evaluation of overall
> past performance.
>
> > I just don't understand yet exactly what I am supposed to be
> > doing
> > to make my diet correct.

>
> In time you will. Start with the type of diet that
> the metabolic typing test suggests. Read a couple
> of the books that are associated with it. If it's
> low carb, read Atkins and Protein Power. If it's
> moderate, read The Zone and The South Beach Diet.
> If it's low fat, read Ornish and Pritikin. The
> books teach the appropriate macronutrient ratios,
> and the journaling program makes it as easy as
> possible to log and adjust what you eat to achieve
> the appropriate ratio.
>
> > I realize a potion of my diet needs to be fat, I'm
> > not
> > sure how I arrive at the percentage correctly.

>
> See above. The metabolic typing test result is a
> good place to start. In time you may find yourself
> trying other macronutrient ratios in an effort to
> fine tune or just out of a desire to experiment.
> Personally, I encourage macronutrient ratio
> experimentation as long as one has the tools needed
> to properly interpret the results and the strength
> of character necessary to keep experiments from
> turning into backsliding binges.
>
> > Thanks so much for the link!!!

>
> You're more than welcome. Those are excellent tools.
> Next are library or purchased books based on the result
> of the metabolic typing test. Be as honest with your
> answers as possible. It's important that you answer
> the questions based on how it actually is rather than
> how you'd like it to be or how you think it should be.
> --

Thanks for your excellent advise, Metabolic Testing Type
seems like a good place to start.


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Old 11-09-2006, 09:16 AM
sirch
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"joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> On Nov 4, 3:39 am, "sirch" <s...@sover.net> wrote:
> > What I find most interesting about eating 5 times a day is
> > eventhough most of the food I eat is low in fat (Which I know I need to
> > include, probably more now) I really don't feel hungry or want to over
> > eat ( except last night when I had chinese food! LOL!)

>
> Expect a temporary water weight gain from that Chinese food! :-P~
> Eating 5-6 small meals helps alot of people to keep their insulin
> levels/energy all day.
> If you are logging your foods manually try a free online journal like
> FitDay http://www.fitday.com
> Or a demo version of DietPower (if you like it you can buy a version of
> it): http://www.dietpower.com
> Both give you the macronutrients of your daily foods in a graph/pie
> form. You can easily see what you might need to increase or decrease to
> make better choices.
>
> If one googles 'macronutrient diet' there is alot on the web. Its not a
> new term at all. (Zone, BFL etc are all based on macronutrients being
> in proper ratios). More the buzz today is 'micronutrients' which are
> vitamins and minerals and how much we should be getting (preferably
> from our foods). They say that people today are overfed yet
> nutritionally underfed at the same time.
> About fats, yes we all bought into the fatfree craze and as Americans
> are now fatter than ever. Just like we found out that not all carbs are
> bad (choices choices) the same goes for fats. And a funny thing is,
> when your body gets the 'right' fats (which it needs for energy on a
> cellular level) it doesnt have as much tendency to hoard bodyfat for
> the next percieved famine. If dieting I think under 20% of your
> calories are usually suggested as coming from good fats, if not then
> about 30%.
>
> Below are some links to articles about the differences btwn fats:
> http://www.udoerasmus.com/FAQ.htm
> http://www.joyfulaging.com/FatDifferentTypes.htm
>
> And a good article about the rules of good nutrition:
> http://skwigg.tripod.com/id82.html
>
> A link to a site with good tables/info about minerals and nutrients for
> good health:
> http://www.auniqueweigh.com/Vitamins...20Minerals.htm
>
> Remember that increasing your nutrtional knowledge empowers you to make
> this a lifestyle change and not just another diet.
>
>
>
> joanne


Wow, thanks a heap for all those links.

I'm currently keeping a log of calorie intake and my co-workers think I'm
crazy,
but I've lost 10 lbs and I'll be going to test my BF% sometime this week.




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