milk products

How much cheese and so forth do we "need" in our diets? I tend to go a
little overboard on cheese from time-to-time. The best kind of dietary
control, for me, starts in the grocery store. What do people really *need*
in terms of milk products, and what are good, low-carb ways to meet those
needs?

Oh, I should mention, my 15yo daughter is still growing. What are good
guidelines for her in terms of dairy products? She's athletic, fit, trim,
and definitely not low-carbing.

Thanks!

Mike

Hi Mike, I'm not one to answer your question scientifically but I'll
give you my opinion. I don't think we need any cheese in our diets.
I am against eating saturated fats because of its cardiovascular
implications and cheese has high levels of saturated fat. Cheese
provides our bodies with protein and calcium and at 15, your daughter
needs calcium galore because her bones are still getting longer. I
suggest you should keep only low-fat cheese in the house.
Unfortunately, the best tasting cheeses of the world will be
eliminated from your diet by this practice. So using moderation with
cheese and understanding what you are doing when you eat it is the
best practice.

On Oct 1, 8:12 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> How much cheese and so forth do we "need" in our diets? I tend to go a
> little overboard on cheese from time-to-time. The best kind of dietary
> control, for me, starts in the grocery store. What do people really *need*
> in terms of milk products, and what are good, low-carb ways to meet those
> needs?
>
> Oh, I should mention, my 15yo daughter is still growing. What are good
> guidelines for her in terms of dairy products? She's athletic, fit, trim,
> and definitely not low-carbing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike

On Oct 1, 5:12 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> How much cheese and so forth do we "need" in our diets? I tend to go a
> little overboard on cheese from time-to-time. The best kind of dietary
> control, for me, starts in the grocery store. What do people really *need*
> in terms of milk products, and what are good, low-carb ways to meet those
> needs?
>
> Oh, I should mention, my 15yo daughter is still growing. What are good
> guidelines for her in terms of dairy products? She's athletic, fit, trim,
> and definitely not low-carbing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike

Isn't the answer obvious? It is zero. A lot of the world is lactose
intolerent and eat no dairy products. Africans for example. They also
do not have the osteoporous that our dairy-loving population has.
Different genes of course, but all that calcium as it turns out
doesn't get absorbed so well from milk. Now they add it to orange
juice which is a much better way to get calcium. Many vegetarians do
not eat any animal products at all and also do fine. People are
versatile and able to eat a wide variety of foods and still thrive,
including 15-year-olds of course. BTW, a high animal fat diet and this
includes milkfat is thought to be one contributing factor to heart
disease and breast cancer. We drink lactose-free, fat-free milk or
soymilk here. If you haven't tried the 8th Continent Light Chocolate
soymilk, you should. It is lowfat and has no milk in it of course, but
has good protein and only 90 cal. per 8oz. cup. It is positively
delicious too although I wouldn't want it on cereal. The fat free
lactose free milk works just fine for that though. If I didn't eat
milk on cereal, I wouldn't use any milk at all. You know there is no
other adult animal that continues to drink milk except humans, so that
also answers your question about how much dairy we need. If no other
animals need it, especially chimps and apes, we sure as heck don't
either. dkw

"em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
>
> How much cheese and so forth do we "need" in our diets?

Humans are mammals. Mammals are fed milk until their teeth
come in then their mothers wean them and they eat other food.
Many mammals never get a drop of dairy again after their teeth
come in. So we don't "need" any dairy whatsoever. It's just
one more option for protein, fat, carbs and minerals.

> I tend to go a
> little overboard on cheese from time-to-time.

The more consistant the problem, the more important it is
to avoid the food that causes it. I binge every time I eat wheat
more than tiny amounts like cream-of soup. So I need to
avoid wheat completely except for tiny accidental exposure.
I will eat the entire package of cashews so I can either buy
small packages or eat nuts that don't have that effect on me.

> The best kind of dietary
> control, for me, starts in the grocery store.

Is it what might be called a "slippery slope" food for you
that as you eat it you want more and it gradually erodes
your ability to stay on-plan? If so avoid it. If not keep
buying small packages.

> What do people really *need*
> in terms of milk products, and what are good, low-carb ways to meet those
> needs?

Hard aged cheeses have the lowest carb count. So
parmagiano regianno is the way to go. King of cheeses
and all that. The best flavor, the lowest carb count, the
highest price, you name it.

But steak or tofu work just fine to supply the nutrients ...
There are entire regions of the world where lactose intolerance
is so common that dairy products are not available. And they
don't have any problems from lack of dairy.

I LIKE cheese but I know I don't NEED it.

On Oct 1, 5:12 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> What do people really *need* in terms of milk products,
> and what are good, low-carb ways to meet those needs?

Well as others stated, you dont 'need' to include dairy products in
your diet as you can get calcium from other food sources.
However if you want to include dairy products, and as you say,
overeating cheese is a problem, then switch to for example, yogurt
(8oz=415mg calcium)
Check out this listing for other foods to include in your daily diet
(also gives you how much teens and adults should aim for):
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/calcium.asp

> Oh, I should mention, my 15yo daughter is still growing. What are good
> guidelines for her in terms of dairy products?

As mentioned in the above link she should be aiming for 1300mg a day.
Also note the section about vitamin D increasing calcium absorption.


joanne

Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> Humans are mammals. Mammals are fed milk until their teeth
> come in then their mothers wean them and they eat other food.
> Many mammals never get a drop of dairy again after their teeth
> come in. So we don't "need" any dairy whatsoever. It's just
> one more option for protein, fat, carbs and minerals.

What Doug and dkw said.

Lactose production drops after the weaning
age because mammals are not meant to drink
milk after that. (Drinking *another* mammal's
milk is even stranger.)

Calcium is most easily absorbed with
vitamin C, so the OJ w/ calcium route is
great. So is eating broccoli with beef.

-- Anita --

"Irrational Number" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> Humans are mammals. Mammals are fed milk until their teeth
>> come in then their mothers wean them and they eat other food.
>> Many mammals never get a drop of dairy again after their teeth
>> come in. So we don't "need" any dairy whatsoever. It's just
>> one more option for protein, fat, carbs and minerals.
>
> What Doug and dkw said.
>
> Lactose production drops after the weaning
> age because mammals are not meant to drink
> milk after that. (Drinking *another* mammal's
> milk is even stranger.)
>
> Calcium is most easily absorbed with
> vitamin C, so the OJ w/ calcium route is
> great. So is eating broccoli with beef.
>
> -- Anita --

What do you mean by "not meant to drink milk"? Not meant by whom or
what? Or is this some sort of loose phrasing on your part? Many
mammals never get a gram of meat either, or fruit for that matter. Many
mammals can digest cellulose.

Is there a point to your blathering? If it doesn't work for you don't do
it.

"Del Cecchi" <delcecchioftheno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Irrational Number" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> >> Humans are mammals. Mammals are fed milk until their teeth
> >> come in then their mothers wean them and they eat other food.
>
> > Lactose production drops after the weaning
> > age because mammals are not meant to drink
> > milk after that ...
>
> What do you mean by "not meant to drink milk"? Not meant by whom or
> what? Or is this some sort of loose phrasing on your part?

Some folks refer to how human metabolism is designed. Same
deal - For me it's a sloppy sort hand for what evolution has
delivered.

> Many
> mammals never get a gram of meat either, or fruit for that matter. Many
> mammals can digest cellulose.

The reason I chose mammals is I wanted to supply the widest
evolutionary context for this issue.

It it true that no adult mammals in the wild have access to milk.
Shrews through humans, we aren't evolved to have it after being
weaned. It's also true that some portion of the human population
has trouble digesting it. It is not true that all humans have trouble
digesting it. Milk is just another food option for many.

"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Del Cecchi" <delcecchioftheno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Irrational Number" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> >> Humans are mammals. Mammals are fed milk until their teeth
>> >> come in then their mothers wean them and they eat other food.
>>
>> > Lactose production drops after the weaning
>> > age because mammals are not meant to drink
>> > milk after that ...
>>
>> What do you mean by "not meant to drink milk"? Not meant by whom or
>> what? Or is this some sort of loose phrasing on your part?
>
> Some folks refer to how human metabolism is designed. Same
> deal - For me it's a sloppy sort hand for what evolution has
> delivered.
>
>> Many
>> mammals never get a gram of meat either, or fruit for that matter.
>> Many
>> mammals can digest cellulose.
>
> The reason I chose mammals is I wanted to supply the widest
> evolutionary context for this issue.
>
> It it true that no adult mammals in the wild have access to milk.
> Shrews through humans, we aren't evolved to have it after being
> weaned. It's also true that some portion of the human population
> has trouble digesting it. It is not true that all humans have trouble
> digesting it. Milk is just another food option for many.
>
So "mammals are not meant toe drink milk after that" was just bullshit?