Morning Variety Breakfast

Hey there,

I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in the
morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
wheetabix!

If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
is that a 'good' breakfast start?

Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.

I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!

Cheers,

Dave.

David R wrote:
>
> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
> is that a 'good' breakfast start?

If you chose low fat, yes.

> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.

There are claims that going low carb works best for belly fat. I'm
a low carbers and it didn't help that for me. I lost pretty much
all over without anywhere near as much change to my belly as I
was hoping for.

> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!

Are you a morning person or an afternoon person?

I'm an afternoon person. For me variety in the morning doesn't make
sense. The same thing most days works fine because that's not the
part of the day I'm alert enough for it to matter.

For a morning person, anything that would work for any other meal
will work for your breakfast. Morning is your alert time so make your
own variety.

"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David R wrote:
>>
>> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other
>> fruit,
>> is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>
> If you chose low fat, yes.
>
>> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
>> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>
> There are claims that going low carb works best for belly fat. I'm
> a low carbers and it didn't help that for me. I lost pretty much
> all over without anywhere near as much change to my belly as I
> was hoping for.
>
>> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>
> Are you a morning person or an afternoon person?
>
> I'm an afternoon person. For me variety in the morning doesn't make
> sense. The same thing most days works fine because that's not the
> part of the day I'm alert enough for it to matter.
>
> For a morning person, anything that would work for any other meal
> will work for your breakfast. Morning is your alert time so make your
> own variety.

I'm definitely not a morning person! Afternoon's always much, much better.

I go running very occasionally now, due to study commitments, but I have
been swimming twice a week lately for quite a long period of time, about an
hour each session on average.

I'm not going to let a diet take over my life, or exercise, but I do eat
particularly well, with plenty of veg each day, and wholewheat/wholemeal
varieties of food, such as pasta/rice/bread, etc, and enjoy cooking my own
meals from scratch, so I think I'm not doing too badly.

I will be original and stick to porridge for breakfast I think, it's easy to
wolf it down!

Thanks for the reponse, I was just generally pondering various paths for
breakfast in my original post :-)

"David R" <david_r@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in
> the morning.

Personally, I've never believed this. Oatmeal is way too glycogenic for me.
If I eat it in the morning without protein, I'll have the shakes within a
couple of hours. If, however, I put some sesame seeds, raisins, and milk in
it, that gives me some readily bioavailable protein, and I won't get "sugar
shock."

ep

I like to make a mini egg white frittata with vegetables, a little left over
chicken, or whatever else I've got that would go in...

omelets are good,

hum.. fruits with yogurt can work too, but I need more proteins in the
morning..

The possibilities are endless actually.. porrige.. eeeeeeew
will~

"David R" <david_r@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hey there,
>
> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in
> the morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
> wheetabix!
>
> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other
> fruit, is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>
> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>
> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
>

"David R" <david_r@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4Q90h.43756$L.20878@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Hey there,
>
> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in
> the morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
> wheetabix!
>
> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other
> fruit, is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>
> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>
> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.

hot cereal (oatmeal, oat bran, or whatever's available). Cook it with skim
milk, sweeten with splenda and add some cinnamon. For variety, stir in some
raisins, dried cranberries, etc. Sprinkle with some granola for crunch and
texture. A breakfast like this is going to pack more calories, but it's
high in fiber and decent amount of protein, and will stick with you til
afternoon. I can usually skip lunch on this.

David R wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in the
> morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
> wheetabix!
>
> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
> is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>
> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>
> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.

Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw

On 26 Oct 2006 19:54:47 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>David R wrote:
>> Hey there,
>>
>> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in the
>> morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
>> wheetabix!
>>
>> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
>> is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>>
>> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
>> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>>
>> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave.
>
>Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
>of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
>milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
>aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw

It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
fat).

I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Chris Braun wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2006 19:54:47 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >David R wrote:
> >> Hey there,
> >>
> >> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in the
> >> morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
> >> wheetabix!
> >>
> >> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
> >> is that a 'good' breakfast start?
> >>
> >> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
> >> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
> >>
> >> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave.
> >
> >Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
> >of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
> >milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
> >aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
>
> It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
> protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
> fat).
>
> I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
> satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
>
> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

That seems strange. I really don't believe you are that sensitive to
protein psysiologically. It must be psychological. I get about 50 gm of
protein a day, often skip breakfast and I'm healthy and not overweight.
This is surely much more complicated than your body telling you you
need protein? dkw

On 27 Oct 2006 05:01:20 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Chris Braun wrote:
>> On 26 Oct 2006 19:54:47 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >David R wrote:
>> >> Hey there,
>> >>
>> >> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can have in the
>> >> morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and I get sick of
>> >> wheetabix!
>> >>
>> >> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1 banana/other fruit,
>> >> is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>> >>
>> >> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
>> >> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>> >>
>> >> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Dave.
>> >
>> >Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
>> >of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
>> >milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
>> >aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
>>
>> It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
>> protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
>> fat).
>>
>> I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
>> satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
>>
>> Chris
>> 262/130s/130s
>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>
>That seems strange. I really don't believe you are that sensitive to
>protein psysiologically. It must be psychological. I get about 50 gm of
>protein a day, often skip breakfast and I'm healthy and not overweight.
>This is surely much more complicated than your body telling you you
>need protein? dkw

I'm not saying I'd be ill or die or something if I didn't eat this
much protein, but it is certainly a fact that I feel more satisfied if
I eat higher levels of protein, and that proteins are what I most
crave when hungry. I am also healthy and not overweight. I never
skip breakfast. Your way may be better for you, but that doesn't mean
it would be beter for me. Do you have a psychological reason for
eating less protein? If not, why do you suppose I should have one for
eating more?

dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
> Chris Braun wrote:
> > dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > >Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
> > >of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
> > >milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
> > >aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
>
> > It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
> > protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
> > fat).
>
> > I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
> > satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
>
> That seems strange. I really don't believe you are that sensitive to
> protein psysiologically. It must be psychological.

There's something you aren't taking into account - Not how filling a
meal is in the short term of the next hour but how long a meal
prevents hunger from coming back, and that is different for each
person. The terminology is very poor but the word "satiating"
tends to mean not current fullness but how long before hunger
comes back. Fat and protein are both more satiating than any
form of carbs.

> I get about 50 gm of
> protein a day, often skip breakfast and I'm healthy and not overweight.
> This is surely much more complicated than your body telling you you
> need protein?

Also keep in mind that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound
of cure" and if you have a meal specifically chosen to prevent hunger
for as long as you can it makes keeping your total intake for the day
under better control with less effort. So it doesn't have to be about
failing to make the minimum protein grams and it doesn't have to
be that more protein grams over the minimum are bad.

In western culture most folks get well over the minimum needed
protein. The book "Protein Power" by Drs Eades (it has since
become a series of books not just one) has a chapter on finding
a person's minimum grams. Mine is 77 yet I generally eat more
like 100 grams because I don't avoid protein. At 50 grams you're
probably near the minimum you can have for long term health so
you'll need to pay some attention to your mixture of amino acids
in your protein intake. My going over makes that bit easier - I
overshoot so the mixture doesn't matter.

Each type of nutrient has a healthy minimum. For carbs look at
several popular low carb books and it turns out by maintenance
probably 100 grams per day as an average but the Atkins system
has a process to determine your own best level individually.
Protein Power teaches how to determine your protein minimum.
Mild low fat plans give levels to not go below in grams.

If you add all these minimum grams together, you'll usually end
up with a total caloric intake that's too low to be sustainable,
though. Chris B is an example of long term sustainability - She
doesn't do stuff that isn't sustainable for her. If you're disagreeing
with her on how to sole a problem you're doing fine. If you're
disagreeing with her on which problems to solve you need to take
a step back and think it through again.

The problem is that picking the minimums of each nutrient type
gives too low a total calorie count, so one or more needs to be
over the minimum. Chris is solving the problem with extra
protein because calorie for calorie it prevents hunger from coming
back for longer than carbs. I solve the problem with extra fat for
the same reason because I'm a low carber. Have you been
solving the same problem with excess carbs instead of either
protein or fat? It's different without being problematic.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:22:13 GMT, "David R" <david_r@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>I will be original and stick to porridge for breakfast I think, it's easy to
>wolf it down!

Don't you find you are hungrier sooner? I always have to eat
something again less than an hour later.
Amy williamson@shaklee.net

~*~*~*~*Nature and Science in Harmony~*~*~*~
www.shaklee.net/williamson/
Thought of the day:
No thanks, I already have some dain bramage.

Chris Braun wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2006 19:54:47 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> David R wrote:
>>> Hey there,
>>>
>>> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can
>>> have in the morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and
>>> I get sick of wheetabix!
>>>
>>> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1
>>> banana/other fruit, is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>>>
>>> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
>>> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave.
>>
>> Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
>> of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but
>> no milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever
>> said you aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
>
> It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
> protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
> fat).
>
> I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
> satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
>
> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

My usual breakfast is oatmeal (7-grain variety from local bulk vendor),
protein powder and ground flax seed. This will hold me easily till lunch.
Without the added ingredients I'm hungry mid-morning.

Beverly
177/140/~135 since 1996

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Chris Braun wrote:
> > > dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > >Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
> > > >of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but no
> > > >milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever said you
> > > >aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
> >
> > > It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
> > > protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
> > > fat).
> >
> > > I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
> > > satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
> >
> > That seems strange. I really don't believe you are that sensitive to
> > protein psysiologically. It must be psychological.
>
> There's something you aren't taking into account - Not how filling a
> meal is in the short term of the next hour but how long a meal
> prevents hunger from coming back, and that is different for each
> person. The terminology is very poor but the word "satiating"
> tends to mean not current fullness but how long before hunger
> comes back. Fat and protein are both more satiating than any
> form of carbs.
>
> > I get about 50 gm of
> > protein a day, often skip breakfast and I'm healthy and not overweight.
> > This is surely much more complicated than your body telling you you
> > need protein?
>
> Also keep in mind that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound
> of cure" and if you have a meal specifically chosen to prevent hunger
> for as long as you can it makes keeping your total intake for the day
> under better control with less effort. So it doesn't have to be about
> failing to make the minimum protein grams and it doesn't have to
> be that more protein grams over the minimum are bad.
>
> In western culture most folks get well over the minimum needed
> protein. The book "Protein Power" by Drs Eades (it has since
> become a series of books not just one) has a chapter on finding
> a person's minimum grams. Mine is 77 yet I generally eat more
> like 100 grams because I don't avoid protein. At 50 grams you're
> probably near the minimum you can have for long term health so
> you'll need to pay some attention to your mixture of amino acids
> in your protein intake. My going over makes that bit easier - I
> overshoot so the mixture doesn't matter.
>
> Each type of nutrient has a healthy minimum. For carbs look at
> several popular low carb books and it turns out by maintenance
> probably 100 grams per day as an average but the Atkins system
> has a process to determine your own best level individually.
> Protein Power teaches how to determine your protein minimum.
> Mild low fat plans give levels to not go below in grams.
>
> If you add all these minimum grams together, you'll usually end
> up with a total caloric intake that's too low to be sustainable,
> though. Chris B is an example of long term sustainability - She
> doesn't do stuff that isn't sustainable for her. If you're disagreeing
> with her on how to sole a problem you're doing fine. If you're
> disagreeing with her on which problems to solve you need to take
> a step back and think it through again.
>
> The problem is that picking the minimums of each nutrient type
> gives too low a total calorie count, so one or more needs to be
> over the minimum. Chris is solving the problem with extra
> protein because calorie for calorie it prevents hunger from coming
> back for longer than carbs. I solve the problem with extra fat for
> the same reason because I'm a low carber. Have you been
> solving the same problem with excess carbs instead of either
> protein or fat? It's different without being problematic.

Actually, the RDA recommended protein is 0.8 gm/kg of weight. I weight
132 lbs/2.2=60kgX0.8=48gm of protein needed. There is also some wiggle
room there, meaning most people do not require that much at my weight.
Some might require more if they are doing body building but that is not
certain. The old argument about mixing amino acids is outdated, and if
someone gets adequate calories, it would be rare that they would not be
getting enough protein with anything resembling a normal diet. Since
this is a diet forum, people should recognize that excess protein is
turned to fat.

The argument about fat being more filling might be partly true, but you
have to realize that if you fill up on fat, you only get to eat less
than half of what you can eat in protein or carbs, because each gm of
fat has 9 cal. and each gm of protein and carbs have only 4 cal. That
means since I eat high carb, moderate protein and very low fat, I may
actually get to eat twice as much as somone who gets a lot of their
calories from fat. A bowl of farina is 120 calories. You get to eat to
eat almost 6 bowls full compared to someone who eats a Big Mac. I
submit the 6 bowls of farina would be much more filling. With green
beans at 70 calories per can, you would need to eat 10 cans to equal
one Big Mac with cheese at 700 calories. Nobody I know could possibly
eat 10 cans of green beans. End of argument. dkw

"Beverly" <bowens@home.woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:enr0h.19880$OE1.18907@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com. ..
>
>
> Chris Braun wrote:
>> On 26 Oct 2006 19:54:47 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> David R wrote:
>>>> Hey there,
>>>>
>>>> I am aware porridge oats are one of the best breakfasts you can
>>>> have in the morning. Here in Britain, it's pretty wet weather, and
>>>> I get sick of wheetabix!
>>>>
>>>> If I blend: few spoonfuls of oats, semi-skimmed milk, 1
>>>> banana/other fruit, is that a 'good' breakfast start?
>>>>
>>>> Or is it asking for weight-gain? I've got a bit of a belly, and feel
>>>> tackling the breakfast issue is perhaps a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to have porridge but it's pretty boring let's be honest!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Dave.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't think you can do better than oatmeal. It has 5 gm
>>> of protein and is low-fat besides. I like mine with blueberries but
>>> no milk. The nonfat milk does add more protein though, so whoever
>>> said you aren't getting protein is wrong. dkw
>>
>> It's all relative. My breakfast today -- All Bran, flax cereal, soy
>> protein powder, plus skim milk -- had 30g of protein (370 calories, 8g
>> fat).
>>
>> I like oatmeal but without added protein powder it isn't really
>> satiating enough for me. I eat a lot of protein, in general.
>>
>> Chris
>> 262/130s/130s
>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
>
> My usual breakfast is oatmeal (7-grain variety from local bulk vendor),
> protein powder and ground flax seed. This will hold me easily till lunch.
> Without the added ingredients I'm hungry mid-morning.


I have a 7 grain variety (Arrowhead brand) that takes forever to cook, but I
sure do like it. COoked with skim milk, splenda and cinnamon it's great and
very filling.