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Old 05-19-2007, 06:43 AM
crack baby
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Default Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

I had a blood test several years ago and my cholesterol and triglycerides
were very high (I think it was in the mid-200s or something). I didn't
have enough money to go on statins, then I heard about omega-3 in fish
oil and have been taking about 4-5g a day for the last year.

I went in for a new test last month and while I had hoped the fish oil
had lowered it enough so the doctor wouldn't yell at me, but when I went
in for the results he told me my numbers were perfect. Total was 125, HDL
was 47, LDL was 70, and triglyceride was 48. My doctor told me to keep
doing whatever I was doing, which in my case is a diet of red meat, milk
and cheese, refined starches, and lots of salt, with lots of olive oil
and fish oil capsules added to the saturated grease.

This just seems to good to be true. I'll admit I have lost at least 20kg
since the horrible blood test a few years ago, and while I need less
blood pressure medicine, and I can't imagine that minor weight loss could
cause a nearly 150-point reduction in total cholesterol. I swear I suffer
from metabolic syndrome - complete with belly fat and high blood pressure
and glucose that directly corresponds with my weight - and it just seems
odd that so many similar people are put on expensive and dangerous statin
drugs that aren't nearly as effective as natural omega-3 fatty acids.

I'm hardly some new-age holistic natural-healing freak, and all I believe
in is science and I have my personal experience as evidence, and I've
been reading other people's personal accounts with fish oil, with one
person on Lipitor whose 200+ number was reduced to 94 after he added the
fish oil capsules. My opinion is that high cholesterol and its related
symptoms are the result of a nutritional deficiency, and treating it with
drugs instead of the missing vital nutrient doesn't make sense from a
medical point of view. It does make sense from a financial point of view,
as omega-3 can't be patented, while Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill
for Lipitor and other statin drugs.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:43 AM
Baron Blackfang
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

Sounds exciting. How much olive oil and how many fish oil capsules per day
did you take?

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"crack baby" <fred@crackwhoremagazine.com> wrote in message
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> I had a blood test several years ago and my cholesterol and triglycerides
> were very high (I think it was in the mid-200s or something). I didn't
> have enough money to go on statins, then I heard about omega-3 in fish
> oil and have been taking about 4-5g a day for the last year.
>
> I went in for a new test last month and while I had hoped the fish oil
> had lowered it enough so the doctor wouldn't yell at me, but when I went
> in for the results he told me my numbers were perfect. Total was 125, HDL
> was 47, LDL was 70, and triglyceride was 48. My doctor told me to keep
> doing whatever I was doing, which in my case is a diet of red meat, milk
> and cheese, refined starches, and lots of salt, with lots of olive oil
> and fish oil capsules added to the saturated grease.
>
> This just seems to good to be true. I'll admit I have lost at least 20kg
> since the horrible blood test a few years ago, and while I need less
> blood pressure medicine, and I can't imagine that minor weight loss could
> cause a nearly 150-point reduction in total cholesterol. I swear I suffer
> from metabolic syndrome - complete with belly fat and high blood pressure
> and glucose that directly corresponds with my weight - and it just seems
> odd that so many similar people are put on expensive and dangerous statin
> drugs that aren't nearly as effective as natural omega-3 fatty acids.
>
> I'm hardly some new-age holistic natural-healing freak, and all I believe
> in is science and I have my personal experience as evidence, and I've
> been reading other people's personal accounts with fish oil, with one
> person on Lipitor whose 200+ number was reduced to 94 after he added the
> fish oil capsules. My opinion is that high cholesterol and its related
> symptoms are the result of a nutritional deficiency, and treating it with
> drugs instead of the missing vital nutrient doesn't make sense from a
> medical point of view. It does make sense from a financial point of view,
> as omega-3 can't be patented, while Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill
> for Lipitor and other statin drugs.



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Old 05-19-2007, 06:43 AM
Pete
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

It does make sense
> from a financial point of view, as omega-3 can't be patented, while
> Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill for Lipitor and other statin
> drugs.


$500 a pill. Huh???


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Old 05-19-2007, 06:43 AM
infoseeker22
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

On May 18, 2:06 pm, crack baby <f...@crackwhoremagazine.com> wrote:
> I had a blood test several years ago and my cholesterol and triglycerides
> were very high (I think it was in the mid-200s or something). I didn't
> have enough money to go on statins, then I heard about omega-3 in fish
> oil and have been taking about 4-5g a day for the last year.
>
> I went in for a new test last month and while I had hoped the fish oil
> had lowered it enough so the doctor wouldn't yell at me, but when I went
> in for the results he told me my numbers were perfect. Total was 125, HDL
> was 47, LDL was 70, and triglyceride was 48. My doctor told me to keep
> doing whatever I was doing, which in my case is a diet of red meat, milk
> and cheese, refined starches, and lots of salt, with lots of olive oil
> and fish oil capsules added to the saturated grease.
>
> This just seems to good to be true. I'll admit I have lost at least 20kg
> since the horrible blood test a few years ago, and while I need less
> blood pressure medicine, and I can't imagine that minor weight loss could
> cause a nearly 150-point reduction in total cholesterol. I swear I suffer
> from metabolic syndrome - complete with belly fat and high blood pressure
> and glucose that directly corresponds with my weight - and it just seems
> odd that so many similar people are put on expensive and dangerous statin
> drugs that aren't nearly as effective as natural omega-3 fatty acids.
>
> I'm hardly some new-age holistic natural-healing freak, and all I believe
> in is science and I have my personal experience as evidence, and I've
> been reading other people's personal accounts with fish oil, with one
> person on Lipitor whose 200+ number was reduced to 94 after he added the
> fish oil capsules. My opinion is that high cholesterol and its related
> symptoms are the result of a nutritional deficiency, and treating it with
> drugs instead of the missing vital nutrient doesn't make sense from a
> medical point of view. It does make sense from a financial point of view,
> as omega-3 can't be patented, while Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill
> for Lipitor and other statin drugs.


Are you serious about Omega 3 being that great for lowering bad
cholesterol? I have tried
many remedies over the years and can't seem to find anything that
works. Albert Shimoon

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Old 05-19-2007, 02:55 PM
Susan
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

x-no-archive: yes

infoseeker22 wrote:

> Are you serious about Omega 3 being that great for lowering bad
> cholesterol? I have tried
> many remedies over the years and can't seem to find anything that
> works. Albert Shimoon
>



This worked for me exactly the way it worked in the studies:

[Evaluation of the cholesterol-lowering effectiveness of pantethine in
women in perimenopausal age]

[Article in Italian]

Binaghi P, Cellina G, Lo Cicero G, Bruschi F, Porcaro E, Penotti M.

Servizio di Cardiologia, Istitut Clinici di Perfezionamento, Milano.

Cardiovascular diseases are the main cause of death also in women. Their
incidence, rapidly growing in the peri-menopausal period, is related to
serum levels of total cholesterol and its LDL fraction. It was also
shown that the peroxidation of LDL is an additional factor in the
genesis of atherosclerotic vascular disease. As long-term treatments
with synthetic lipid-lowering drugs may cause undesirable side effects,
while pantethine is known to be well tolerated, we treated 24
hypercholesterolemic women (total serum cholesterol greater than or
equal to 240 mg/dl), in perimenopausal age (range: 45-55 years, mean +/-
SD = 51.6 +/- 2.4) with 900 mg/day of pantethine. This is a precursor of
coenzyme A, with an antiperoxidation effect in vivo, and our aim was to
confirm its lipid lowering activity in this particular type of patients.
After 16 weeks of treatment, significant reductions of total
cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol and LDL-C/HDL-C ratio could be observed. No
remarkable changes of the main laboratory parameters (fasting blood
sugar, B.U.N., creatinine, uric acid) were seen. Efficacy percentages of
the treatment were about 80%. None of the patients complained of adverse
reactions due to the treatment with pantethine. In conclusion, we
suggest that pantethine should be considered in the long-term treatment
of lipid derangements occurring in the perimenopausal age.

PMID: 2359503 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Acta Biomed Ateneo Parmense. 1984;55(1):25-42. Related Articles, Links


[Hyperlipidemia, diabetes and atherosclerosis: efficacy of treatment
with pantethine]

[Article in Italian]

Arsenio L, Caronna S, Lateana M, Magnati G, Strata A, Zammarchi G.

The hypolipidemizing effects of Pantethine were investigated by the
Authors in 37 hypercholesterolemic and/or hypertriglyceridemic patients.
Of these, 21 were also diabetic, in a satisfying glucidic compensation,
in order to verify the action of this drug also in this metabolic
condition. The study was carried out for three months and during this
period the patients were given Pantethine at the dose of 600 mg/die
orally. At the 30th, the 60th, the 90th day of treatment the following
parameters were controlled: cholesterolemia, HDL cholesterol,
apolipoproteins A and B, triglyceridemia, systolic and diastolic
arterial pressure, uricemia, body weight. Thirty days after suspending
the treatment, the parameters were controlled again to detect a possible
"rebound" effect. The results were analyzed on the whole case-record,
subdividing the patients in dislipidemic and diabetic-dislipidemic, and
on the basis of the Fredrickson's classification. Pantethine induced in
all groups a quick and progressive decrease of cholesterolemia,
triglyceridemia, LDL cholesterol and Apolipoproteins B with increased
HDL cholesterol and Apolipoproteins A. After suspending the treatment,
there is a clear inversion of the state of these parameters. The Authors
conclude that the present work shows that Pantethine, a natural and
atoxic substance, an important component of Coenzyme A, is efficacious
in determining a clear tendency towards normalization of the lipidic values.

PMID: 6232801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Atherosclerosis. 1984 Jan;50(1):73-83. Related Articles, Links


Controlled evaluation of pantethine, a natural hypolipidemic compound,
in patients with different forms of hyperlipoproteinemia.

Gaddi A, Descovich GC, Noseda G, Fragiacomo C, Colombo L, Craveri A,
Montanari G, Sirtori CR.

Pantethine (P), the stable disulphate form of pantetheine, major
component and precursor of coenzyme A, was evaluated within a
double-blind protocol (8 weeks for P or for a corresponding placebo) in
29 patients, 11 with type IIB hyperlipoproteinemia, 15 with type IV, and
3 with an isolated reduction of high density lipoprotein cholesterol
(HDL-C) levels. In type IIB patients, P (300 mg t.i.d.) determined a
highly significant lowering of plasma total and low density lipoprotein
(LDL) associated cholesterol (-13.5% for both parameters). In the same
patients, HDL-C levels increased about 10% at the end of treatment.
Switching from P to placebo was associated with a rapid return to the
baseline cholesterolemia. Both in type IIB and type IV patients, plasma
triglyceride levels were reduced around 30%, when P was given as the
first treatment; when it was preceded by placebo, reductions were less
striking (respectively, -17.8% for type IIB and -13.0% for type IV, at
the end of P treatment). HDL-C levels were not increased by P, either in
type IV, and in the patients with low HDL cholesterolemia. In type IV,
LDL cholesterol levels showed a variable response to P: they tended to
increase when below 132 mg/dl, prior to treatment, and to be reduced
when above this level. This study provides evidence for a significant
hypocholesterolemic effect of P, a natural compound free of overt side
effects. It also indicates that P may raise HDL-C levels in type IIB
patients, while moderately reducing triglyceridemia.

Publication Types:
• Clinical Trial
• Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 6365107 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther Toxicol. 1986 Nov;24(11):630-7. Related
Articles, Links


Lipoprotein changes induced by pantethine in hyperlipoproteinemic
patients: adults and children.

Bertolini S, Donati C, Elicio N, Daga A, Cuzzolaro S, Marcenaro A,
Saturnino M, Balestreri R.

Following a brief outline of current knowledge concerning
atherosclerosis and its treatment, the authors describe the results
obtained by treating with pantethine (900-1200 mg daily for 3 to 6
months) a series of 7 children and 65 adults suffering from
hypercholesterolemia alone or associated with hypertriglyceridemia
(types IIa and IIb of Fredrickson's classification). Pantethine
treatment produced significant reduction of the better known risk
factors (total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and apo-B)
and a significant increase of HDL-cholesterol (signally HDL2) and
apolipoprotein A-I. The authors conclude with a discussion of these
results and of the possible role of pantethine in the treatment of
hyperlipoproteinemia, in view of its perfect tolerability and
demonstrated therapeutic effectiveness.

PMID: 3098691 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
: Atherosclerosis. 1984 Dec;53(3):255-64. Related Articles, Links


Pantethine reduces plasma cholesterol and the severity of arterial
lesions in experimental hypercholesterolemic rabbits.

Carrara P, Matturri L, Galbussera M, Lovati MR, Franceschini G, Sirtori CR.

Pantethine (P), a coenzyme A precursor, was administered to
cholesterol-fed rabbits (0.5% cholesterol diet + 1% pantethine) for 90
days. At the end of treatment, plasma total cholesterol levels were
reduced 64.7% and the HDL/total cholesterol ratio increased in P-treated
animals; a significant rise of the apo A-I/A-II ratio was detected in
HDL. VLDL lipid and protein levels were, on the other hand, reduced by
P. The cholesterol-ester content of both liver and aortic tissues was
not significantly affected by P. Although the total aortic area with
evident plaques was reduced only 18.2%, the microscopical examination of
sections from the major vessels of P-treated animals, showed a reduction
in the severity of lesions, both in the aorta and in the coronary
arteries. These findings suggest that P, in addition to significantly
lowering plasma cholesterol levels in rabbits on an experimental diet,
may modify lipid deposition in major arteries, possibly by affecting
lipoprotein composition and/or exerting an arterial protective effect.

PMID: 6442152 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Clin Ther. 1986;8(5):537-45. Related Articles, Links


Effectiveness of long-term treatment with pantethine in patients with
dyslipidemia.

Arsenio L, Bodria P, Magnati G, Strata A, Trovato R.

A one-year clinical trial with pantethine was conducted in 24 patients
with established dyslipidemia of Fredrickson's types II A, II B, and IV,
alone or associated with diabetes mellitus. The treatment was well
tolerated by all patients with no subjective complaints or detectable
side effects. Blood lipid assays repeated after 1, 3, 6, 9, and 12
months of treatment revealed consistent and statistically significant
reductions of all atherogenic lipid fractions (total cholesterol,
low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and apolipoprotein B) with parallel
increases of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and apolipoprotein A.
The results were equally good in patients with uncomplicated
dyslipidemia and in those with associated diabetes mellitus. The authors
conclude that pantethine (a drug entity related to the natural compound,
pantetheine) represents a valid therapeutic support for patients with
dyslipidemia not amenable to satisfactory correction of blood lipids by
diet alone.

PMID: 3094958 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Acta Biomed Ateneo Parmense. 1987;58(5-6):143-52. Related Articles, Links


[Clinical use of pantethine by parenteral route in the treatment of
hyperlipidemia]

[Article in Italian]

Arsenio L, Bodria P, Bossi S, Lateana M, Strata A.

Servizio di Malattie del Ricambio e Diabetologia, Ospedali Riuniti, Parma.

Recent investigations have confirmed the effectiveness and the excellent
tolerability of pantethine, a derivative of pantetheine, an essential
part of the acetylation coenzyme CoA, administered P.O., in normalizing
the blood lipid concentrations of patients with hyperlipidemias. A group
of 18 patients with hyperlipidemias (9 M, 9 F), with an average age of
52.6 years, was submitted to pantethine parenteral treatment. After a 20
days wash-out, pantethine (400 mg/day; BID) was administered
intramuscularly, for 20 days. Total cholesterol, triglycerides,
HDL-cholesterol, apo A-1 and B lipoprotein, uric acid in serum,
glycemia, CBC, B.U.N., creatininemia, E.S.R., SGOT, SGPT, bilirubinemia,
cardiac frequency, blood pressure and body weight were controlled before
and after treatment. The drug showed to have a therapeutic effectiveness
by a rapid and significant improvement in the blood lipid pattern with
reduction of total cholesterol, triglycerides and apo-B lipoprotein and
increase of HDL-cholesterol and apo A-1 lipoprotein. The tolerability of
pantethine at the stated dosage and mode of administration was
invariably excellent, with non complaints or visible side effects
imputable to the test drug. BUN, creatininemia, glycemia, SGOT, SGPT,
bilirubinemia, E.S.R., CBC, cardiac frequency and blood pressure
readings showed no noteworthy changes throughout the study.

PMID: 2970754 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Vopr Pitan. 1987 Mar-Apr;(2):15-7. Related Articles, Links


[Therapeutic efficacy of pantothenic acid preparations in ischemic heart
disease patients]

[Article in Russian]

Borets VM, Lis MA, Pyrochkin VM, Kishkovich VP, Butkevich ND.

The therapeutic effectiveness of the pantothenic acid drugs:
calciipantothenas and pantethine, was studied in 182 patients with
coronary heart disease and stable angina of effort. It is shown that
both the drugs produce favourable effects on certain parameters of
hemodynamics, on the metabolism of lipids, riboflavin and ascorbic acid.
It is recommended that the administration of calciipantothenas in a dose
of 300 mg/day, during 3 weeks, be included into the combined treatment
of coronary patients with no manifest disorders of lipid metabolism.
Patients with manifest hyperlipidemia should be administered pantethine
in a dose of 500 mg/day.

PMID: 3590676 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Clin Nephrol. 1986 Feb;25(2):70-4. Related Articles, Links


Pantethine improves the lipid abnormalities of chronic hemodialysis
patients: results of a multicenter clinical trial.

Donati C, Barbi G, Cairo G, Prati GF, Degli Esposti E.

In the course of a post-marketing surveillance program on the
effectiveness and tolerability of pantethine in the treatment of
hyperlipidemia, the effects of the drug were explored in 31 patients
with dyslipidemia undergoing chronic hemodialysis. The mean duration of
treatment was 9 months (min. 7 months, max. 24 months), with oral doses
of 600 to 1200 mg of pantethine daily (mean daily dosage 970 mg).
Improvement was noted in terms of total blood cholesterol in the 7
patients with basal hypercholesterolemia (p less than 0.01) and highly
significant reduction of serum triglycerides. No variations of
HDL-cholesterol or total Apo-A were detected. None of the patients
experienced any adverse effects from the treatment. In the light of
extensive experience with the drug, plus the results of this study, the
authors conclude by stressing the importance of an effective and readily
tolerated product, such as pantethine, for the treatment of dyslipidemia
in patients on chronic hemodialysis.

Publication Types:
• Clinical Trial

PMID: 3516477 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Artery. 1987;15(1):1-12. Related Articles, Links


Lowering effect of pantethine on plasma beta-thromboglobulin and lipids
in diabetes mellitus.

Eto M, Watanabe K, Chonan N, Ishii K.

Second Department of Internal Medicine, Asahikawa Medical College, Japan.

Pantethine in a dosage of 600 mg for the first 3 months, and in a dosage
of 1200 mg for the second 6 months was given to 16 diabetics in whom
plasma beta-thromboglobulin was raised (greater than 50 ng/ml). Plasma
beta-TG levels decreased significantly with pantethine treatment for 9
months. Plasma triglyceride, total cholesterol, apo E and apo CII levels
decreased significantly after 9 months. Plasma LDL-C and atherogenic
index (LDL-C/HDL-C ratio or apo B/apo AI ratio) tended to decrease with
treatment. It is concluded that administration of pantethine may be
beneficial in the prevention of diabetic angiopathy because of its
lowering effect on plasma beta-TG, lipids and apolipoproteins.

PMID: 2963604 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Ter Arkh. 1991;63(11):58-60. Related Articles, Links


[The use of pantothenic acid preparations in treating patients with
viral hepatitis A]

[Article in Russian]

Komar VI.

Calcium pantothemate in the daily dose 300 mg and 600 mg and pantetheine
in the dose 90 mg and 180 mg per os were applied for 3-4 weeks in
combined therapy of 156 patients with viral hepatitis A. In addition to
the positive clinico-biochemical effect, these drugs produced an
immunomodulatory action and a beneficial effect on the level of blood
serum immunoglobulins and the phagocytic activity of peripheral blood
neutrophils. Pantetheine provided the most pronounced therapeutic effect.

PMID: 1810066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Clin Ter. 1989 Mar 31;128(6):411-22. Related Articles, Links


[Pantethine, diabetes mellitus and atherosclerosis. Clinical study of
1045 patients]

[Article in Italian]

Donati C, Bertieri RS, Barbi G.

After a review of the clinical studies on the treatment of diabetic
patients with pantethine, the authors discuss the results obtained in a
postmarketing surveillance (PMS) study on 1045 hyperlipidemic patients
receiving pantethine (900 mg/day on average). Of these patients, 57 were
insulin-dependent (Type I) and 241 were non insulin-dependent (Type II)
diabetics. Beyond the epidemiological considerations made possible by a
PMS study, the authors show that pantethine brought about a
statistically significant and comparable improvement of lipid metabolism
in the three groups of patients, with very good tolerability. Pantethine
should therefore be considered for the treatment of lipid abnormalities
also in patients at risk such as those with diabetes mellitus.

PMID: 2524328 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Vopr Pitan. 1983;(1):45-9. Related Articles, Links


[Pantothenic acid metabolic disorder and its relation to the change in
energy processes in patients with ischemic heart disease and hypertension]

[Article in Russian]

Borets VM, Ovchinnikov VA, Mironchik VV, Moiseenok AG, Lis MA.

Pantothenic acid metabolism and the status of energy processes in
leukocytes were examined in 171 patients with hypertension and coronary
heart disease. It was shown that the patients' body supply with the
vitamin decreased as the disease progressed and heart failure
supervened. The deficiency of pantothenic acid was shown to be
interrelated with the impairment of energy processes. Application of
pantothenate in a dose of 200 mg a day for two weeks led to the
increased content of pantothenic acid and to normalization of energy
processes.

PMID: 6837001 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Angiology. 1987 Mar;38(3):241-7. Related Articles, Links


Effect of oral treatment with pantethine on platelet and plasma
phospholipids in IIa hyperlipoproteinemia.

Prisco D, Rogasi PG, Matucci M, Paniccia R, Abbate R, Gensini GF, Neri
Serneri GG.

In a single-blind, crossover, completely randomized study, the effects
of oral treatment with pantethine or placebo on fatty acid composition
of plasma and platelet phospholipids were investigated in 10 IIa
hyperlipoproteinemic patients. A significant decrease of total
cholesterol and total phospholipids was observed both in plasma and in
platelets after a twenty-eight-day treatment. In plasma, pantethine
induced a decrease of the ratio sphingomyelin/phosphatidylcholine.
Moreover, a relative increase of n3-polyunsaturated fatty acids both in
plasma and in platelet phospholipids and a decrease of arachidonic acid
in plasma phospholipids were observed. These results indicate that
pantethine can affect plasma and platelet lipid composition with
possibly favorable influences on the determinants of cell membrane fluidity.

Publication Types:
• Clinical Trial
• Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 3551695 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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Old 05-19-2007, 04:15 PM
crack baby
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Pete wrote...
> It does make sense
>
>>from a financial point of view, as omega-3 can't be patented, while
>>Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill for Lipitor and other statin
>>drugs.

>
>
> $500 a pill. Huh???


Well, it will be $500 soon. Remember that there are no price controls
for Medicare Part D, therefore companies can charge anything they want
for certain drugs that are mostly used by the elderly, because the
government guarantees payment.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:01 PM
djensen36@cox.net
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Make sure you get a high-quality, pharmaceutical grade Omega3 product,
and not a crappy "fish oil" on the shelf at Walgreens, or you'll be
burping up fish all day long and getting heartburn.

D.


On May 19, 6:16 am, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> infoseeker22 wrote:
> > Are you serious about Omega 3 being that great for lowering bad
> > cholesterol? I have tried
> > many remedies over the years and can't seem to find anything that
> > works. Albert Shimoon

>
> This worked for me exactly the way it worked in the studies:
>
> [Evaluation of the cholesterol-lowering effectiveness of pantethine in
> women in perimenopausal age]
>
> [Article in Italian]
>
> Binaghi P, Cellina G, Lo Cicero G, Bruschi F, Porcaro E, Penotti M.
>
> Servizio di Cardiologia, Istitut Clinici di Perfezionamento, Milano.
>
> Cardiovascular diseases are the main cause of death also in women. Their
> incidence, rapidly growing in the peri-menopausal period, is related to
> serum levels of total cholesterol and its LDL fraction. It was also
> shown that the peroxidation of LDL is an additional factor in the
> genesis of atherosclerotic vascular disease. As long-term treatments
> with synthetic lipid-lowering drugs may cause undesirable side effects,
> while pantethine is known to be well tolerated, we treated 24
> hypercholesterolemic women (total serum cholesterol greater than or
> equal to 240 mg/dl), in perimenopausal age (range: 45-55 years, mean +/-
> SD = 51.6 +/- 2.4) with 900 mg/day of pantethine. This is a precursor of
> coenzyme A, with an antiperoxidation effect in vivo, and our aim was to
> confirm its lipid lowering activity in this particular type of patients.
> After 16 weeks of treatment, significant reductions of total
> cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol and LDL-C/HDL-C ratio could be observed. No
> remarkable changes of the main laboratory parameters (fasting blood
> sugar, B.U.N., creatinine, uric acid) were seen. Efficacy percentages of
> the treatment were about 80%. None of the patients complained of adverse
> reactions due to the treatment with pantethine. In conclusion, we
> suggest that pantethine should be considered in the long-term treatment
> of lipid derangements occurring in the perimenopausal age.
>
> PMID: 2359503 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> 1: Acta Biomed Ateneo Parmense. 1984;55(1):25-42. Related Articles,Links
>
> [Hyperlipidemia, diabetes and atherosclerosis: efficacy of treatment
> with pantethine]
>
> [Article in Italian]
>
> Arsenio L, Caronna S, Lateana M, Magnati G, Strata A, Zammarchi G.
>
> The hypolipidemizing effects of Pantethine were investigated by the
> Authors in 37 hypercholesterolemic and/or hypertriglyceridemic patients.
> Of these, 21 were also diabetic, in a satisfying glucidic compensation,
> in order to verify the action of this drug also in this metabolic
> condition. The study was carried out for three months and during this
> period the patients were given Pantethine at the dose of 600 mg/die
> orally. At the 30th, the 60th, the 90th day of treatment the following
> parameters were controlled: cholesterolemia, HDL cholesterol,
> apolipoproteins A and B, triglyceridemia, systolic and diastolic
> arterial pressure, uricemia, body weight. Thirty days after suspending
> the treatment, the parameters were controlled again to detect a possible
> "rebound" effect. The results were analyzed on the whole case-record,
> subdividing the patients in dislipidemic and diabetic-dislipidemic, and
> on the basis of the Fredrickson's classification. Pantethine induced in
> all groups a quick and progressive decrease of cholesterolemia,
> triglyceridemia, LDL cholesterol and Apolipoproteins B with increased
> HDL cholesterol and Apolipoproteins A. After suspending the treatment,
> there is a clear inversion of the state of these parameters. The Authors
> conclude that the present work shows that Pantethine, a natural and
> atoxic substance, an important component of Coenzyme A, is efficacious
> in determining a clear tendency towards normalization of the lipidic values.
>
> PMID: 6232801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> 1: Atherosclerosis. 1984 Jan;50(1):73-83. Related Articles, Links
>
> Controlled evaluation of pantethine, a natural hypolipidemic compound,
> in patients with different forms of hyperlipoproteinemia.
>
> Gaddi A, Descovich GC, Noseda G, Fragiacomo C, Colombo L, Craveri A,
> Montanari G, Sirtori CR.
>
> Pantethine (P), the stable disulphate form of pantetheine, major
> component and precursor of coenzyme A, was evaluated within a
> double-blind protocol (8 weeks for P or for a corresponding placebo) in
> 29 patients, 11 with type IIB hyperlipoproteinemia, 15 with type IV, and
> 3 with an isolated reduction of high density lipoprotein cholesterol
> (HDL-C) levels. In type IIB patients, P (300 mg t.i.d.) determined a
> highly significant lowering of plasma total and low density lipoprotein
> (LDL) associated cholesterol (-13.5% for both parameters). In the same
> patients, HDL-C levels increased about 10% at the end of treatment.
> Switching from P to placebo was associated with a rapid return to the
> baseline cholesterolemia. Both in type IIB and type IV patients, plasma
> triglyceride levels were reduced around 30%, when P was given as the
> first treatment; when it was preceded by placebo, reductions were less
> striking (respectively, -17.8% for type IIB and -13.0% for type IV, at
> the end of P treatment). HDL-C levels were not increased by P, either in
> type IV, and in the patients with low HDL cholesterolemia. In type IV,
> LDL cholesterol levels showed a variable response to P: they tended to
> increase when below 132 mg/dl, prior to treatment, and to be reduced
> when above this level. This study provides evidence for a significant
> hypocholesterolemic effect of P, a natural compound free of overt side
> effects. It also indicates that P may raise HDL-C levels in type IIB
> patients, while moderately reducing triglyceridemia.
>
> Publication Types:
> · Clinical Trial
> · Controlled Clinical Trial
>
> PMID: 6365107 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> 1: Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther Toxicol. 1986 Nov;24(11):630-7. Related
> Articles, Links
>
> Lipoprotein changes induced by pantethine in hyperlipoproteinemic
> patients: adults and children.
>
> Bertolini S, Donati C, Elicio N, Daga A, Cuzzolaro S, Marcenaro A,
> Saturnino M, Balestreri R.
>
> Following a brief outline of current knowledge concerning
> atherosclerosis and its treatment, the authors describe the results
> obtained by treating with pantethine (900-1200 mg daily for 3 to 6
> months) a series of 7 children and 65 adults suffering from
> hypercholesterolemia alone or associated with hypertriglyceridemia
> (types IIa and IIb of Fredrickson's classification). Pantethine
> treatment produced significant reduction of the better known risk
> factors (total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and apo-B)
> and a significant increase of HDL-cholesterol (signally HDL2) and
> apolipoprotein A-I. The authors conclude with a discussion of these
> results and of the possible role of pantethine in the treatment of
> hyperlipoproteinemia, in view of its perfect tolerability and
> demonstrated therapeutic effectiveness.
>
> PMID: 3098691 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> : Atherosclerosis. 1984 Dec;53(3):255-64. Related Articles, Links
>
> Pantethine reduces plasma cholesterol and the severity of arterial
> lesions in experimental hypercholesterolemic rabbits.
>
> Carrara P, Matturri L, Galbussera M, Lovati MR, Franceschini G, Sirtori CR.
>
> Pantethine (P), a coenzyme A precursor, was administered to
> cholesterol-fed rabbits (0.5% cholesterol diet + 1% pantethine) for 90
> days. At the end of treatment, plasma total cholesterol levels were
> reduced 64.7% and the HDL/total cholesterol ratio increased in P-treated
> animals; a significant rise of the apo A-I/A-II ratio was detected in
> HDL. VLDL lipid and protein levels were, on the other hand, reduced by
> P. The cholesterol-ester content of both liver and aortic tissues was
> not significantly affected by P. Although the total aortic area with
> evident plaques was reduced only 18.2%, the microscopical examination of
> sections from the major vessels of P-treated animals, showed a reduction
> in the severity of lesions, both in the aorta and in the coronary
> arteries. These findings suggest that P, in addition to significantly
> lowering plasma cholesterol levels in rabbits on an experimental diet,
> may modify lipid deposition in major arteries, possibly by affecting
> lipoprotein composition and/or exerting an arterial protective effect.
>
> PMID: 6442152 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> Clin Ther. 1986;8(5):537-45. Related Articles, Links
>
> Effectiveness of long-term treatment with pantethine in patients with
> dyslipidemia.
>
> Arsenio L, Bodria P, Magnati G, Strata A, Trovato R.
>
> A one-year clinical trial with pantethine was conducted in 24 patients
> with established dyslipidemia of Fredrickson's types II A, II B, and IV,
> alone or associated with diabetes mellitus. The treatment was well
> tolerated by all patients with no subjective complaints or detectable
> side effects. Blood lipid assays repeated after 1, 3, 6, 9, and 12
> months of treatment revealed consistent and statistically significant
> reductions of all atherogenic lipid fractions (total cholesterol,
> low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and apolipoprotein B) with parallel
> increases of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and apolipoprotein A.
> The results were equally good in patients with uncomplicated
> dyslipidemia and in those with associated diabetes mellitus. The authors
> conclude that pantethine (a drug entity related to the natural compound,
> pantetheine) represents a valid therapeutic support for patients with
> dyslipidemia not amenable to satisfactory correction of blood lipids by
> diet alone.
>
> PMID: 3094958 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> Acta Biomed Ateneo Parmense. 1987;58(5-6):143-52. Related Articles,Links
>
> [Clinical use of pantethine by parenteral route in the treatment of
> hyperlipidemia]
>
> [Article in Italian]
>
> Arsenio L, Bodria P, Bossi S, Lateana M, Strata A.
>
> Servizio di Malattie del Ricambio e Diabetologia, Ospedali Riuniti, Parma.
>
> Recent investigations have confirmed the effectiveness and the excellent
> tolerability of pantethine, a derivative of pantetheine, an essential
> part ...
>
> read more »



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Old 05-19-2007, 08:01 PM
bigvince
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

On May 19, 12:57 pm, djense...@cox.net wrote:
> Make sure you get a high-quality, pharmaceutical grade Omega3 product,andnot a crappy "fish oil" on the shelf at Walgreens, or you'll be
> burping up fish all day longandgetting heartburn.
>
> D.
>
> On May 19, 6:16 am, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > x-no-archive: yes

>
> > infoseeker22 wrote:
> > > Are you serious about Omega 3 being that great for lowering bad
> > > cholesterol? I have tried
> > > many remedies over the yearsandcan't seem to find anything that
> > > works. Albert Shimoon

>
> > This worked for me exactly the way it worked in the studies:

>
> > [Evaluation of the cholesterol-lowering effectiveness of pantethine in
> > women in perimenopausal age]

>
> > [Article in Italian]

>
> > Binaghi P, Cellina G, Lo Cicero G, Bruschi F, Porcaro E, Penotti M.

>
> > Servizio di Cardiologia, Istitut Clinici di Perfezionamento, Milano.

>
> > Cardiovascular diseases are the main cause of death also in women. Their
> > incidence, rapidly growing in the peri-menopausal period, is related to
> > serum levels of total cholesterolandits LDL fraction. It was also
> > shown that the peroxidation of LDL is an additional factor in the
> > genesis of atherosclerotic vascular disease. As long-term treatments
> > with synthetic lipid-lowering drugs may cause undesirable side effects,
> > while pantethine is known to be well tolerated, we treated 24
> > hypercholesterolemic women (total serum cholesterol greater than or
> > equal to 240 mg/dl), in perimenopausal age (range: 45-55 years, mean +/-
> > SD = 51.6 +/- 2.4) with 900 mg/day of pantethine. This is a precursorof
> > coenzyme A, with an antiperoxidation effect in vivo,andour aim was to
> > confirm its lipid lowering activity in this particular type of patients.
> > After 16 weeks of treatment, significant reductions of total
> > cholesterol, LDL-cholesterolandLDL-C/HDL-C ratio could be observed. No
> > remarkable changes of the main laboratory parameters (fasting blood
> > sugar, B.U.N., creatinine, uric acid) were seen. Efficacy percentages of
> > the treatment were about 80%. None of the patients complained of adverse
> > reactions due to the treatment with pantethine. In conclusion, we
> > suggest that pantethine should be considered in the long-term treatment
> > of lipid derangements occurring in the perimenopausal age.

>
> > PMID: 2359503 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > 1: Acta Biomed Ateneo Parmense. 1984;55(1):25-42. Related Articles, Links

>
> > [Hyperlipidemia, diabetesandatherosclerosis: efficacy of treatment
> > with pantethine]

>
> > [Article in Italian]

>
> > Arsenio L, Caronna S, Lateana M, Magnati G, Strata A, Zammarchi G.

>
> > The hypolipidemizing effects of Pantethine were investigated by the
> > Authors in 37 hypercholesterolemicand/or hypertriglyceridemic patients.
> > Of these, 21 were also diabetic, in a satisfying glucidic compensation,
> > in order to verify the action of this drug also in this metabolic
> > condition. The study was carried out for three monthsandduring this
> > period the patients were given Pantethine at the dose of 600 mg/die
> > orally. At the 30th, the 60th, the 90th day of treatment the following
> > parameters were controlled: cholesterolemia, HDL cholesterol,
> > apolipoproteins AandB, triglyceridemia, systolicanddiastolic
> > arterial pressure, uricemia, body weight. Thirty days after suspending
> > the treatment, the parameters were controlled again to detect a possible
> > "rebound" effect. The results were analyzed on the whole case-record,
> > subdividing the patients in dislipidemicanddiabetic-dislipidemic,and
> > on the basis of the Fredrickson's classification. Pantethine induced in
> > all groups a quickandprogressive decrease of cholesterolemia,
> > triglyceridemia, LDL cholesterolandApolipoproteins B with increased
> > HDL cholesterolandApolipoproteins A. After suspending the treatment,
> > there is a clear inversion of the state of these parameters. The Authors
> > conclude that the present work shows that Pantethine, a naturaland
> > atoxic substance, an important component of Coenzyme A, is efficacious
> > in determining a clear tendency towards normalization of the lipidic values.

>
> > PMID: 6232801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > 1: Atherosclerosis. 1984 Jan;50(1):73-83. Related Articles, Links

>
> > Controlled evaluation of pantethine, a natural hypolipidemic compound,
> > in patients with different forms of hyperlipoproteinemia.

>
> > Gaddi A, Descovich GC, Noseda G, Fragiacomo C, Colombo L, Craveri A,
> > Montanari G, Sirtori CR.

>
> > Pantethine (P), the stable disulphate form of pantetheine, major
> > componentandprecursor of coenzyme A, was evaluated within a
> > double-blind protocol (8 weeks for P or for a corresponding placebo) in
> > 29 patients, 11 with type IIB hyperlipoproteinemia, 15 with type IV,and
> > 3 with an isolated reduction of high density lipoprotein cholesterol
> > (HDL-C) levels. In type IIB patients, P (300 mg t.i.d.) determined a
> > highly significant lowering of plasma totalandlow density lipoprotein
> > (LDL) associated cholesterol (-13.5% for both parameters). In the same
> > patients, HDL-C levels increased about 10% at the end of treatment.
> > Switching from P to placebo was associated with a rapid return to the
> > baseline cholesterolemia. Both in type IIBandtype IV patients, plasma
> > triglyceride levels were reduced around 30%, when P was given as the
> > first treatment; when it was preceded by placebo, reductions were less
> > striking (respectively, -17.8% for type IIBand-13.0% for type IV, at
> > the end of P treatment). HDL-C levels were not increased by P, either in
> > type IV,andin the patients with low HDL cholesterolemia. In type IV,
> > LDL cholesterol levels showed a variable response to P: they tended to
> > increase when below 132 mg/dl, prior to treatment,andto be reduced
> > when above this level. This study provides evidence for a significant
> > hypocholesterolemic effect of P, a natural compound free of overt side
> > effects. It also indicates that P may raise HDL-C levels in type IIB
> > patients, while moderately reducing triglyceridemia.

>
> > Publication Types:
> > · Clinical Trial
> > · Controlled Clinical Trial

>
> > PMID: 6365107 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > 1: Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther Toxicol. 1986 Nov;24(11):630-7. Related
> > Articles, Links

>
> > Lipoprotein changes induced by pantethine in hyperlipoproteinemic
> > patients: adultsandchildren.

>
> > Bertolini S, Donati C, Elicio N, Daga A, Cuzzolaro S, Marcenaro A,
> > Saturnino M, Balestreri R.

>
> > Following a brief outline of current knowledge concerning
> > atherosclerosisandits treatment, the authors describe the results
> > obtained by treating with pantethine (900-1200 mg daily for 3 to 6
> > months) a series of 7 childrenand65 adults suffering from
> > hypercholesterolemia alone or associated with hypertriglyceridemia
> > (types IIaandIIb of Fredrickson's classification). Pantethine
> > treatment produced significant reduction of the better known risk
> > factors (total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides,andapo-B)
> >anda significant increase of HDL-cholesterol (signally HDL2)and
> > apolipoprotein A-I. The authors conclude with a discussion of these
> > resultsandof the possible role of pantethine in the treatment of
> > hyperlipoproteinemia, in view of its perfect tolerabilityand
> > demonstrated therapeutic effectiveness.

>
> > PMID: 3098691 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > : Atherosclerosis. 1984 Dec;53(3):255-64. Related Articles, Links

>
> > Pantethine reduces plasma cholesterolandthe severity of arterial
> > lesions in experimental hypercholesterolemic rabbits.

>
> > Carrara P, Matturri L, Galbussera M, Lovati MR, Franceschini G, SirtoriCR.

>
> > Pantethine (P), a coenzyme A precursor, was administered to
> > cholesterol-fed rabbits (0.5% cholesterol diet + 1% pantethine) for 90
> > days. At the end of treatment, plasma total cholesterol levels were
> > reduced 64.7%andthe HDL/total cholesterol ratio increased in P-treated
> > animals; a significant rise of the apo A-I/A-II ratio was detected in
> > HDL. VLDL lipidandprotein levels were, on the other hand, reduced by
> > P. The cholesterol-ester content of both liverandaortic tissues was
> > not significantly affected by P. Although the total aortic area with
> > evident plaques was reduced only 18.2%, the microscopical examination of
> > sections from the major vessels of P-treated animals, showed a reduction
> > in the severity of lesions, both in the aortaandin the coronary
> > arteries. These findings suggest that P, in addition to significantly
> > lowering plasma cholesterol levels in rabbits on an experimental diet,
> > may modify lipid deposition in major arteries, possibly by affecting
> > lipoprotein compositionand/or exerting an arterial protective effect.

>
> > PMID: 6442152 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > Clin Ther. 1986;8(5):537-45. Related Articles, Links

>
> > Effectiveness of long-term treatment with pantethine in patients with
> > dyslipidemia.

>
> > Arsenio L, Bodria P, Magnati G, Strata A, Trovato R.

>
> > A one-year clinical trial with pantethine was conducted in 24 patients
> > with established dyslipidemia of Fredrickson's types II A, II B,andIV,
> > alone or associated with diabetes mellitus. The treatment was well
> > tolerated by all patients with no subjective complaints or detectable
> > side effects. Blood lipid assays repeated after 1, 3, 6, 9,and12
> > months of treatment revealed consistentandstatistically significant
> > reductions of all atherogenic lipid fractions (total cholesterol,
> > low-density lipoprotein cholesterol,andapolipoprotein B) with parallel
> > increases of high-density lipoprotein cholesterolandapolipoprotein A.
> > The results were equally good in patients with uncomplicated
> > dyslipidemiaandin those with associated diabetes mellitus. The authors
> > conclude that pantethine (a drug entity related to the natural compound,
> > pantetheine) represents a valid therapeutic support for patients with
> > dyslipidemia not amenable to satisfactory correction of blood lipids by
> > diet alone.

>
> > PMID: 3094958

>
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I heared the Cosco brand is very good. I've also heard that Carltons
is excellant. Thanks Vince

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Old 05-19-2007, 10:31 PM
monty1945@lycos.com
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Congratulations on "lowering your cholesterol" !

Now I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that you are more likely to
develop all kinds of cancers, die of "bleeding" strokes, etc.

And there's more ! You have done nothing to lower your risk of heart
attacks, because that is due to oxidized LDL (as AHA spokesman Dr.
Richard Stein pointed out well over a year ago), not cholesterol
levels (though there might be a "correlation" within a very specific
demographic group).

If you want to understand more about the underlying mechanisms, go to
my free site:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

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Old 05-20-2007, 03:31 AM
Pete
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crack baby wrote:
> Pete wrote...
>> It does make sense
>>
>>> from a financial point of view, as omega-3 can't be patented, while
>>> Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill for Lipitor and other statin
>>> drugs.

>>
>>
>> $500 a pill. Huh???

>
> Well, it will be $500 soon. Remember that there are no price controls
> for Medicare Part D, therefore companies can charge anything they want
> for certain drugs that are mostly used by the elderly, because the
> government guarantees payment.


No way will they pay the exaggerated amount you refer to - lipitor is not a
cancer concoction :-) .


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Old 05-20-2007, 08:21 PM
bigvince
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On May 19, 5:06 pm, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:
> Congratulations on "lowering your cholesterol" !
>
> Now I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that you are more likely to
> develop all kinds of cancers, die of "bleeding" strokes, etc.
>
> And there's more ! You have done nothing to lower your risk of heart
> attacks, because that is due to oxidized LDL (as AHA spokesman Dr.
> Richard Stein pointed out well over a year ago), not cholesterol
> levels (though there might be a "correlation" within a very specific
> demographic group).
>
> If you want to understand more about the underlying mechanisms, go to
> my free site:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-


Actualy the young lady has lowered her risk of CVD and stokes because
she has consumed omega 3s. Many studies show that omega 3 fatty acids
are beneficial. Her benefit comes directly because of the omega 3
powerful anti inflamatory and other direct effect , The LDL levels are
secoundary. Had she lowered her LDL levels with a statin what you said
may have been true . Omega 3s however raise Hdl levels which provide
real benefit.Thanks Vince

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:59 AM
ash
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On May 18, 2:06 pm, crack baby <f...@crackwhoremagazine.com> wrote:
> I had a blood test several years ago and my cholesterol and triglycerides
> were very high (I think it was in the mid-200s or something). I didn't
> have enough money to go on statins, then I heard about omega-3 in fish
> oil and have been taking about 4-5g a day for the last year.
>
> I went in for a new test last month and while I had hoped the fish oil
> had lowered it enough so the doctor wouldn't yell at me, but when I went
> in for the results he told me my numbers were perfect. Total was 125, HDL
> was 47, LDL was 70, and triglyceride was 48. My doctor told me to keep
> doing whatever I was doing, which in my case is a diet of red meat, milk
> and cheese, refined starches, and lots of salt, with lots of olive oil
> and fish oil capsules added to the saturated grease.
>
> This just seems to good to be true. I'll admit I have lost at least 20kg
> since the horrible blood test a few years ago, and while I need less
> blood pressure medicine, and I can't imagine that minor weight loss could
> cause a nearly 150-point reduction in total cholesterol. I swear I suffer
> from metabolic syndrome - complete with belly fat and high blood pressure
> and glucose that directly corresponds with my weight - and it just seems
> odd that so many similar people are put on expensive and dangerous statin
> drugs that aren't nearly as effective as natural omega-3 fatty acids.
>
> I'm hardly some new-age holistic natural-healing freak, and all I believe
> in is science and I have my personal experience as evidence, and I've
> been reading other people's personal accounts with fish oil, with one
> person on Lipitor whose 200+ number was reduced to 94 after he added the
> fish oil capsules. My opinion is that high cholesterol and its related
> symptoms are the result of a nutritional deficiency, and treating it with
> drugs instead of the missing vital nutrient doesn't make sense from a
> medical point of view. It does make sense from a financial point of view,
> as omega-3 can't be patented, while Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill
> for Lipitor and other statin drugs.


you can get a great Omega Three supplement online at www.symmetrydirect.com/ASCHNEPP
it's called Advanced Omega, and it's completely natural, and it's
guaranteed...just like all nutritional supplements, their stuff isn't
FDA approved, but Symmetry's labs are, which is unusual, so you can
rest assured that their products are quality.

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Old 05-23-2007, 07:01 PM
crack baby
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djensen36@cox.net wrote...
> Make sure you get a high-quality, pharmaceutical grade Omega3 product,
> and not a crappy "fish oil" on the shelf at Walgreens, or you'll be
> burping up fish all day long and getting heartburn.


Except that it was crappy Wal-Mart fish oil that I took for a year,
except perhaps a bottle or two from Target. I'd prefer something
besides fish oil, as it can't be wise to harvest anchovies to
extinction for the substance, and of course all fish in the ocean
are contaminated with mercury, heavy metals, PCBs, and other toxic
waste. I've read it is produced by some algae that the fish eat
and works its way up the food chain, so it should be possible to
cultivate the algae or splice the gene for omega-3 into bacteria
or yeast, so that yogurt or bread could become a cheap and abundant
source for the nutrient.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:01 PM
Roman Bystrianyk
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Default Re: Omega-3 lowered my cholesterol...

On May 19, 12:57 pm, djense...@cox.net wrote:
> Make sure you get a high-quality, pharmaceutical grade Omega3 product,
> and not a crappy "fish oil" on the shelf at Walgreens, or you'll be
> burping up fish all day long and getting heartburn.
>
> D.


If burping up the fish oil taste is a problem try freezing the
capsules - they make it further down your digestive system and
eliminate that problem.

Have a good day!
Roman



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Old 05-23-2007, 07:01 PM
Raymond
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On May 18, 5:27 pm, "Baron Blackfang" <WolfC...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds exciting. How much olive oil and how many fish oil capsules per day
> did you take?
>
> -
> "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it". -- George
> Santayana
>
> "crack baby" <f...@crackwhoremagazine.com> wrote in message
>
> news:WWl3i.3319$4Y.2628@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>
>
>
> > I had a blood test several years ago and my cholesterol and triglycerides
> > were very high (I think it was in the mid-200s or something). I didn't
> > have enough money to go on statins, then I heard about omega-3 in fish
> > oil and have been taking about 4-5g a day for the last year.

>
> > I went in for a new test last month and while I had hoped the fish oil
> > had lowered it enough so the doctor wouldn't yell at me, but when I went
> > in for the results he told me my numbers were perfect. Total was 125, HDL
> > was 47, LDL was 70, and triglyceride was 48. My doctor told me to keep
> > doing whatever I was doing, which in my case is a diet of red meat, milk
> > and cheese, refined starches, and lots of salt, with lots of olive oil
> > and fish oil capsules added to the saturated grease.

>
> > This just seems to good to be true. I'll admit I have lost at least 20kg
> > since the horrible blood test a few years ago, and while I need less
> > blood pressure medicine, and I can't imagine that minor weight loss could
> > cause a nearly 150-point reduction in total cholesterol. I swear I suffer
> > from metabolic syndrome - complete with belly fat and high blood pressure
> > and glucose that directly corresponds with my weight - and it just seems
> > odd that so many similar people are put on expensive and dangerous statin
> > drugs that aren't nearly as effective as natural omega-3 fatty acids.

>
> > I'm hardly some new-age holistic natural-healing freak, and all I believe
> > in is science and I have my personal experience as evidence, and I've
> > been reading other people's personal accounts with fish oil, with one
> > person on Lipitor whose 200+ number was reduced to 94 after he added the
> > fish oil capsules. My opinion is that high cholesterol and its related
> > symptoms are the result of a nutritional deficiency, and treating it with
> > drugs instead of the missing vital nutrient doesn't make sense from a
> > medical point of view. It does make sense from a financial point of view,
> > as omega-3 can't be patented, while Medicare Part D will pay $500 a pill
> > for Lipitor and other statin drugs.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


Quack, quack, quack. If it quacks like a doctor, it could be your
family physician.

March 10, 2007
Cures that Kill

(Preventable Causes of Death)

>From the Pain Research Institute

http://www.healpain.net
By Darrell Stoddard, Copyright 2007

It seems like an ultimate irony but the drugs most commonly
prescribed to save lives and the most widely used pain medication
in the World (thought to be the safest) can cause death. This may
sound like a call for attorneys to chase ambulances but these
unknown killers will not be stopped until the truth is known.

Every ad you see for cholesterol lowering statin drugs
(LIPITOR, CRESTOR, VYTORIN, ZOCOR, MEVACOR,
LESCOL, ZETIA,PRAVACHOL, ADVICOR, and CADUET)
tell the side effects of unexplained muscle weakness or pain
indicating what they call a rare but serious side effect. The
serious side effect is a potentially fatal disease called
rhabdomyolysis.

'The person most likely to kill you is not a relative or a friend, or
a mugger or a burglar or a drunken driver. The person most likely to
kill you is your medicine man.

Medical journals and pharmaceutical companies:are uneasy bedfellows
Honor Among Thieves.

Nurses are far better trained and experienced to prescribe drugs than
your accountant trained family doctor. His objective is the health of
money.

http://www.newswithviews.com/health_...alth_care4.htm

Spin Doctored
How drug companies keep tabs on physicians.
By Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer

Doctors have long maintained that they are immune to the blandishments
of drug companies. The lucrative consulting contracts, fancy meals,
trips to exotic locales, free pens, flashlights, coffee mugs, and
sticky notepads emblazoned with prescription-drug brand names-none of
these are supposed to cloud a physician's clinical judgment. Doctors
like to think they decide which treatments to order and which drugs to
prescribe because of scientific evidence, not marketing.

http://www.slate.com/id/2119712/

Omega-3 Prescribed for Heart Attack Victims

British health agencies are urging docs to prescribe fish oil
supplements for their patients who have had heart attacks in the
previous three months unless they eat oily fish two to four times a
week. The one-gram, one-a-day treatment will be prescribed for life.

The recommendation, published by the National Institute for Health and
Clinical Excellence (Nice), is part of wide-ranging advice designed to
reduce the risks of a secondary attack among the 160,000 people who
survive a first heart attack each year, according to the British
newspaper The Telegraph.

A clinical trial found daily 1g doses of highly concentrated omega 3
within three months of a heart attack cut the risk of a patient later
dying suddenly by 45 per cent.

Of course, Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness
Report, reported the same effects from high omega-3 doses in his
special report "Omega-3: Nature's Miracle Panacea." He writes that
omega-3's dramatic heart-healing properties were "demonstrated to
dramatic effect by a recent study in the prestigious medical journal
The Lancet. Researchers selected patients who had arrhythmias that
couldn't be controlled using conventional heart drugs. The patients
were given high doses of Omega-3 fats, leaving a significant number
free of arrhythmias. Many of the others ended up responding much
better to their medications."

Still, American doctors don't encourage their patients to take the
heart-healthy supplement. Instead, they usually recommend expensive
and invasive treatments such as implantable defibrillators or pills to
lower cholesterol.

"Most cardiologists here are not giving omega-3's even though the data
supports it - there's a real disconnect," said Dr. Terry Jacobson, a
preventive cardiologist at Atlanta's Emory University. "They have been
very slow to incorporate the therapy."

Meanwhile, European doctors are embracing the treatment. In Italy,
every heart attack victim leaves the hospital with a prescription for
fish oil and to do less, they believe, would be tantamount to
malpractice.

Dr. Blaylock would agrees, but goes further, noting that omega-3
reduces the deadly inflammation that causes atherosclerosis, and
subsequently heart attacks.

He writes: "Recently, scientists isolated a special lipid called
'resolvin E1,' which they think might be the anti-inflammatory
ingredient in fish oils. In a study in the March 2005 issue of the
Journal of Experimental Medicine, researchers concluded that this fat
component prevents inflammatory cells from working their way into the
blood vessels, where they can do their damage."

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