Re: Gaining Weight Back: Statistics? Citations?

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Steve <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi;
>
>Over the years I have seen dismal statistics quoted about how people
>who successfully lose weight gain it back within one year or 5 years.
>
>I am preparing a web site on this issue. I've been looking for the
>exact 1 year and 5 years statistics on the web with little luck. I
>see many quoted stats that don't agree with each other, stats with
>OLD citations, and stats with no citations.
>
>Can anyone point to statistics about how many people gain what % of
>last weight back by 1 year and by 5 years.......AS WELL AS reasonably
>current citations for those stats?
>
>Thanks much in advance for that information!
>
>Steve

Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1999 Dec;23(12):1314-9

The prevalence of weight loss maintenance among American adults.McGuire MT,
Wing RR, Hill JO.
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, PA, USA. mcgu...@epi.umn.edu


BACKGROUND: Previous studies suggest that few individuals achieve long-term
weight loss maintenance. Because most of these studies were based on
clinical samples and focused on only one episode of weight loss, these
results may not reflect the actual prevalence of weight loss maintenance in
the general population. DESIGN: A random digit dial telephone survey was
conducted to determine the point prevalence of weight loss maintenance in a
nationally representative sample of adults in the United States. Weight
loss maintainers were defined as individuals who, at the time of the
survey, had maintained a weight loss of > or =10% from their maximum weight
for at least 1 y. The prevalence of weight loss maintenance was first
determined for the total group (n = 500), and then for the subgroup of
individuals who were overweight (body mass index BMI > or =27 kg/m2 at
their maximum (n = 228). RESULTS: Weight loss was quite common in this
sample: 54% of the total sample and 62% of those who were ever overweight
reported that they had lost > or =10% of their maximum weight at least once
in their lifetime, with approximately one-half to two-thirds of these cases
being intentional weight loss. Among those who had achieved an intentional
weight loss of > or =10%, 47-49% had maintained this weight loss for at
least 1 y at the time of the survey; 25-27% had maintained it for 5 y or
more. Fourteen percent of all subjects surveyed and 21% of those with a
history of obesity were currently 10% below their highest weight, had
reduced intentionally, and had maintained this 10% weight loss for at least
1 y. CONCLUSIONS: A large proportion of the American population has lost >
or =10% of their maximum weight and has maintained this weight loss for at
least 1 y. These findings are in sharp contrast to the belief that few
people succeed in long-term weight loss maintenance.

******
Am J Clin Nutr. 1997 Aug;66(2):239-46

A descriptive study of individuals successful at long-term maintenance of
substantial weight loss.Klem ML, Wing RR, McGuire MT, Seagle HM, Hill JO.
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, PA 15213, USA.


The National Weight Control Registry (NWCR) is, to the best of our
knowledge, the largest study of individuals successful at long-term
maintenance of weight loss. Despite extensive histories of overweight, the
629 women and 155 men in the registry lost an average of 30 kg and
maintained a required minimum weight loss of 13.6 kg for 5 y. A little over
one-half of the sample lost weight through formal programs; the remainder
lost weight on their own. Both groups reported having used both diet and
exercise to lose weight and nearly 77% of the sample reported that a
triggering event had preceded their successful weight loss. Mean (+/-SD)
current consumption reported by registry members was 5778 +/- 2200 kJ/d,
with 24 +/- 9% of energy from fat, Members also appear to be highly active:
they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk through physical
activity. Surprisingly, 42% of the sample reported that maintaining their
weight loss was less difficult than losing weight. Nearly all registry
members indicated that weight loss led to improvements in their level of
energy, physical mobility, general mood, self-confidence, and physical
health. In summary, the NWCR identified a large sample of individuals who
were highly successful at maintaining weight loss. Future prospective
studies will determine variables that predict continued maintenance of
weight loss.

*****

Annu Rev Nutr. 2001;21:323-41.

Successful weight loss maintenance.Wing RR, Hill JO.
The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
Rw...@Lifespan.org


Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is
pessimism about how successful treatment can be. A general perception is
that almost no one succeeds in long-term maintenance of weight loss. To
define long-term weight loss success, we need an accepted definition. We
propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as
intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off
for at least 1 year. According to this definition, the picture is much more
optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able
to achieve success. We found that in the National Weight Control Registry,
successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30 kg
for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies, including
eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food
intake, and high levels of regular physical activity. Weight loss
maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful maintainers
have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of longer-term
success greatly increase.

*****

Int J Behav Nutr Phys Act. 2006 Jul 19;3:17

Dietary and physical activity behaviors among adults successful at weight
loss maintenance.Kruger J, Blanck HM, Gillespie C.
Physical Activity and Health Branch, Division of Nutrition and Physical
Activity, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia,
USA. jkru...@cdc.gov


BACKGROUND: There is limited population-based data on behavioral factors
found to be important for successful weight loss maintenance among adults.
METHODS: Data from the 2004 Styles surveys, mailed to U.S. adults aged > or
= 18 years were used to examine the difference in selected weight loss
strategies and attitudes among persons who reported successful weight loss
attempts (lost weight and able to keep it off) and persons who were not
successful (previous attempts to lose weight were unsuccessful or they
could not keep the lost weight off). Behaviors examined included
modification of diet, leisure-time and sports activities, and
self-monitoring, and barriers to weight management. RESULTS: Among adults
who reported losing weight or trying to lose weight, 31.0% had been
successful at both losing weight and maintenance after weight loss.
Successful weight loss status differed by sex, age, and current weight
status. Assessment of reported weight loss strategies, found that
exercising > or = 30 minutes/day and adding physical activity to daily life
were significantly higher among successful versus unsuccessful weight
losers. Individuals who were successful at weight loss and maintenance were
less likely to use over-the-counter diet products than those who were
unsuccessful at weight loss. Significantly more successful versus
unsuccessful weight losers reported that on most days of the week they
planned meals (35.9% vs. 24.9%), tracked calories (17.7% vs. 8.8%), tracked
fat (16.4% vs. 6.6%), and measured food on plate (15.9% vs. 6.7%).
Successful losers were also more likely to weigh themselves daily (20.3%
vs. 11.0%). There were a significantly higher proportion of successful
losers who reported lifting weights (19.0%) versus unsuccessful (10.9%).
The odds of being a successful weight loser were 48%-76% lower for those
reporting exercise weight control barriers were influencing factors (e.g.,
no time, too tired to exercise, no one to exercise with, too hard to
maintain exercise routine) compared to those who reported little or no
influence of exercise; similarly, the odds were 48-64% lower for those who
found certain dietary barriers to be influential (e.g., eat away from home
too often, diet/health food costs too much). CONCLUSION: Self-monitoring
strategies such as weighing oneself, planning meals, tracking fat and
calories, exercising 30 or more minutes daily, and/or adding physical
activity to daily routine may be important in successful weight loss
maintenance. Leisure-time activities such as lifting weights or
cooking/baking for fun are common strategies reported by those who were
successful weight losers.

******

Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1998 Jun;22(6):572-7

McGuire MT, Wing RR, Klem ML, Seagle HM, Hill JO.
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, PA 15213, USA.


OBJECTIVE: To evaluate whether individuals who lost weight on their own (n
= 447), through organized programs (n = 313) or with liquid formula (n =
133) would differ in the strategies they used to maintain their weight
losses. DESIGN: All subjects were members of the National Weight Control
Registry, had lost > or = 13.6 kg (30 pounds), and kept it off at least one
year (mean weight loss = 30.1+/-14.9 kg and mean duration of maintenance =
5.7+/-6.9 y). RESULTS: Liquid Formula users differed from the other two
groups on many characteristics; they were more likely to be women, older,
heavier, and to have had a medical disorder prior to weight loss. To
maintain their weight loss, the Liquid Formula group reported greater use
of dietary strategies (for example, counting calories, limiting the amount
of calories from fat) and higher dietary restraint. Liquid Formula users
reported that weight maintenance was more difficult than losing weight,
whereas individuals who lost weight on their own reported the reverse. The
On Own group reported expending a higher percentage of calories through
strenuous activities such as running and weight lifting, and reported
weighing themselves more frequently to maintain weight loss. Despite these
behavioral differences, all three groups are maintaining their weight
losses similarly by eating a low calorie diet (5792.3 kJ/d and 25% of daily
calories from fat) and engaging in high levels of physical activity
(11847.3 kJ/week). CONCLUSIONS: Despite using different methods to lose
weight, individuals who lost weight on their own, through an organized
program, or with a liquid formula, use similar behavioral strategies to
maintain their weight loss.

*****

Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Mar;25(3):325-31

Weight-loss maintenance in overweight individuals one to five years
following successful completion of a commercial weight loss program.Lowe
MR, Miller-Kovach K, Phelan S.
Department of Clinical and Health Psychology, MCP Hahnemann University,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19102, USA. l...@drexel.edu


OBJECTIVE: To determine weight loss maintenance among participants in a
commercial weight loss program (Weight Watchers) who had reached their goal
weights 1-5 y previously. DESIGN: A national sample (n=1002) was surveyed
by phone to obtain demographic and weight-related information. An
oversample (n=258) was recruited and weighed in person to develop a
correction factor for self-reported weights in the national sample.
RESULTS: Based on corrected weights, weight regain from 1 to 5 y following
weight loss ranged between 31.5 and 76.5%. At 5 y, 19.4% were within 5 lb
of goal weight, 42.6% maintained a loss of 5% or more, 18.8% maintained a
loss of 10% or more, and 70.3% were below initial weight. CONCLUSIONS:
These results are not directly comparable to those obtained in clinical
settings because of differences in the populations studied. Nonetheless,
they suggest that the long-term prognosis for weight maintenance among
individuals who reach goal weight in at least one commercial program is
better than that suggested by existing research.


*****

On 30 Jun 2008 23:59:12 -0000, retard@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
(The Masster) wrote:
This is a dizum. Ignore it.

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, The Masster wrote:

> CONCLUSIONS: A large proportion of the American population has lost >
> or =10% of their maximum weight and has maintained this weight loss for at
> least 1 y.

OOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... A whole year...

I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011612450.12703@sdf.lonesta r.org...
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, The Masster wrote:
>
>> CONCLUSIONS: A large proportion of the American population has lost >
>> or =10% of their maximum weight and has maintained this weight loss for
>> at
>> least 1 y.
>
> OOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... A whole year...
>
> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories , the
result will be temporary!

What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
your body with.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:

>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>
> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories , the
> result will be temporary!
> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
> your body with.

Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you already
said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to have long
lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply calling it a
"lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply a glorified
diet and exercise plan.

"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011838100.6665@sdf.lonestar .org...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>
>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>>
>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories ,
>> the
>> result will be temporary!
>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
>> your body with.
>
> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
> healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you already
> said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to have long
> lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply calling it a
> "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply a glorified
> diet and exercise plan.

Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!

We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.

If eating bowls of Sugar flakes or pop tarts for breakfast got me fat, why
would I return to eating that crap once I lost the weight thru better
eating?

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:37:44 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:

>
>"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011838100.6665@sdf.lonesta r.org...
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>>
>>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>>>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>>>
>>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories ,
>>> the
>>> result will be temporary!
>>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
>>> your body with.
>>
>> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
>> healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you already
>> said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to have long
>> lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply calling it a
>> "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply a glorified
>> diet and exercise plan.
>
>Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!

It also seems to be a license to ridicule others, according to some.
>
>We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.

We are not designed to talk shit all day either.

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"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008, Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:37:44 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011838100.6665@sdf.lonest ar.org...
>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>>>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>>>>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>>>>
>>>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories ,
>>>> the
>>>> result will be temporary!
>>>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
>>>> your body with.
>>>
>>> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
>>> healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you already
>>> said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to have long
>>> lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply calling it a
>>> "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply a glorified
>>> diet and exercise plan.
>>
>>Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!
>
>It also seems to be a license to ridicule others, according to some.
>>
>>We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.
>
>We are not designed to talk shit all day either.


The Official Lady Veteran FAQ v1.16

1. What is Lady Veteran's real name?
2. What does Lady Veteran look like?
3. Are Lady Veteran's teeth really that brown?
4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you?
5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossessed?
6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar?
7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans?
8. What is Lady Veteran's height and weight?
9. What is Lady Veteran built like?
10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian?
11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups?
12. Did Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel?
13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree
with her?
14. Was Lady Veteran turned down to foster chihauhaus?
15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3
months when it crashed?
16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased?
17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army?
18. Is Lady Veteran a racist?
19. What does Lady Veteran think of Air Force pilots?
20. Is Lady Veteran, despite being a lesbian, homophobic?
21. Lady Veteran is a net loon. Is she also insane in real life?
22. Was Lady Veteran forging Jean C?
23. Where does Lady Veteran work?
24. Was Lady Veteran evicted from her apartment?
25. Lady Veteran is barely literate. Was she trying to sell writing
services under the alias of 'Wordsmith'?
26. Is Lady Veteran a neo Nazi?
27. Lady Veteran contacted Google not to archive her posts, yet she brands
those who use "no archive" headers as "cowards". Is this hypocritical?
28. Did Lady Veteran receive her degree from a "diploma mill"?
29. Why does Lady Veteran have such a difficult time composing a coherent
sentence, especially since she runs a business called "The Wordsmith"?
30. Has Lady Veteran won Usenet's coveted 'Kook of the Month' award?
31. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran?



1. What is Lady Veteran's real name?

Bobbi Sanchez

2. What does Lady Veteran look like?

http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm

3. Are Lady Veteran's teeth really that brown?

Yes.

4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you?

LV will claim that the picture was altered, but only the name tag was
added. LV used to have the original picture posted on her personal web
site at http://profiles.yahoo.com/lady_veteran . It was taken down after a
dentist was shocked by the color of her teeth (Message-ID:
<43ms20p62nc280ro3q88en4h3vugdafg3l@4ax.com> ). LV subsequently replaced
the picture to avoid further embarrassment.

5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossessed?

Yes. Message-ID:
<38C814E536AE9844.15B8C70F1948AFC3.F2AA7341D7E8B72 1@lp.airnews.net>#1/1

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: A question
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:19:38 -0600
Message-ID: <fj14n210qe47ge5g69nm5poqvl5vqk0eqs@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance

>It was she who disclosed that her car was repossessed because she did not
>make the payments.

In a legal newsgroup seeking legal advise...you left out that part.

6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar?

Yes. Not only did she beg a priest for money to pay her rent (Message-ID:
<33FBD47F044F1402.9414A74F8938BCC8.AA82604960F75E4 2@lp.airnews.net>#1/1),
she also posted a message on NAAFA's web board and created a Geocities web
site for the sole purpose of begging for money for her war on trolls.

7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans?

Yes. Message-ID:
<AFDA5075017A206D.9F8B3834FF2B162D.2BCF533C1752740 2@lp.airnews.net>#1/1

8. What is Lady Veteran's height and weight?

5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

Message-ID: <em98lso2rg326hfelsrc10crvqjt1435dj@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5utfctkamapne0sqh0v8c0gp3qhjon2i1g@4ax.com>

9. What is Lady Veteran built like?

Like a wrestler, according to LV herself.

Message-ID: <ubfbqs4r0koopeg7fa86or27b9mpcmf2db@4ax.com>

10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian?

Apart from her unfeminine looks and Usenet behavior, LV admits to wearing
men's pants ( Message-ID:
<0spvlskkdg305qpeibhltspl04qv12ipsu@4ax.com>#1/1).

11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups?

Yes.

alt.blobbi.veteran-cunt
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka.aka.lady-veteran

12. Did Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel?

Yes. Note her personal profile posted at
http://www.bestjobsus.com/bt-empd-armyvet.htm . This address is for the
Budget Suites of America.

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: CNN: Tired of slights, embarrassment, man sheds 87 pounds
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:48:22 -0600
Message-ID: <l2okj39m70on27jn0nms22j8jb4hdd79ik@4ax.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,a lt.suppor
t.diet.low-carb

>You were homeless and using the cheap motel address to conduct business.

Er, no. I was living in a one-bedroom suite owned by the hotel. Not
homeless, fuckwit. People who live in hotels live in a home of their
own making and you cannot change that.

<end quote>

13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree
with her?

Yes. As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private investigator
$500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who was besting her
with their every encounter. LV later took things to real life with Jim
Dutton and contacted his employer. LV's mission is to take things to real
life with anyone who disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person
down.

LV re-affirms that she will continue to stalk people who post from work as
she did with Jim Dutton.

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Bobbi, Robin, others=read.
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:42:36 -0600
Message-ID: <5rq3m31c5dci477cf7r5idtfk209ho0p7o@4ax.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.fucknozzles,soc.singles,alt.usenet. kooks,alt
troll

>Let's get to the facts here. You netKKKop Jeem for posting from work, then
>your headers show you doing the same. The postings that you made from your
>workplace were forwarded to your employer, just like you did to Jeem. Now
>you're whining that you are a victim of stalking? ROTFLMAO!!!!
>

Yes I did. I will do it again and again and again to you or any other
fuck that tries it. Want to dare me?

<end quote>

14. Was Lady Veteran turned down to foster chihauhaus?

Yes. Message-ID: <0humj0d03gj1qr6karknuucc29ngtql9vg@4ax.com>

Barbara Richardson the so-called moderator of DFW Cares just denied me
for a member because she said I lied about not getting a home visit
from Chihuahua Rescue. I have been waiting for a home for going on two
years now so I can foster Chihuahuas. I am still waiting.

Apparently The moderator has her own notions about what is right and
wrong and doesn't bother to check facts!

<end quote>

15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3
months when it crashed?

Yes. Message-ID: <010d01c265d6$9467ea00$18ea3040@MAIN>

16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased?

Yes. She suffers from lupus and boils. LV probably has some
co-morbidities associated with obesity as well.

17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army?

Speculation surrounds her lesbianism.

18. Is Lady Veteran a racist?

Yes. Quoting from Message-ID: <svebc0h9nbj6955bsurqic2bhck2e05t4i@4ax.com>
:

The lower half of 1 black man is worth 10 complete white men. When
I fuck I like MEN, not little sissyboys that have to talk from
behind their mommy's skirt.

I lova da bothas:-)

<end quote>

Quoting from Message-ID:
<news:32593110AEB31ACC.AE57CF2C8A1A20A9.F0DCF962F6 552859@lp.airnews.net>

You talk about the Asian is very gifted. You should follow their
example by being polite,



AND QUIET!!!!!!!!!!

<end quote>

Quoting from Message-ID: <rdk191lcntvrmhi0nldfn6mfvi9170gogp@4ax.com>

>I live in Dublin and I'd agree with that study. Plenty of fatties
>waddling around here.

So are you sure you just aren't alcohol-challenged and are seeing
double. I thin you have pickled what passed for a brain in your empty
head-and your empty head is as empty as your shorts.

<end quote>

Quoting from Message-ID: <polc61hsggatd6mo6rlfj29tbtib1uvv7e@4ax.com>

Unfortunately most of the idiots here happen to male Anglo-Saxon idiots.

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Invitation for Bobbi
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:25:09 -0600
Message-ID: <89njp2h10bh09so5vtr175ad5lgd8mni2j@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance

Yes 9 out 10 idiots are Caucasian males between 13 and 25. That is the very
group that will triple auto insurance rates for the rest of us when they
reach 16.

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: How many of the readers her ...
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:24:44 -0600
Message-ID: <bg6rp2hcbb33h23s07cr7jttiltsrnrf22@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance

They screwed it up anyway. I said that most if the idiots bothering me
are white Caucasians who are between 13 and 25.

I am willing to wager that males in that other age group belonging to
other racial families have better things to do.

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Why Are American Women So Fat And Ugly?
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:58:48 -0500
Message-ID: <g787c3petbk44blv5dijcuqklcu323s5de@4ax.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.men,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.divorce,alt.support.marriag e
,soc.culture.jewish

Awwww, you say that like it is a bad thing. I bet you are jealous as
hell and are in some third world idiocracy calling the USA the great
Satan.

Your turban is WAAAAAY to tight.

LV

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: MSN Money: What if no one were fat?
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 19:30:43 -0500
Message-ID: <a0ok1453k0deq6163ud2lme78ms6j10fj2@4ax.com>

There are many Aryan wannabes in SSFA.

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: REPOST: When Trolls, Flame Wars and Cyber-Rage go too Far
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:54:28 -0500
Message-ID: <k55944122k6auiq80a5jfat0f0s1tl16um@4ax.com>

>Then why dd you write several posts speaking negatively about whites?
>You have yet to offer an explanation for yourself.

OH.....saying that most of the trolls here are white boys under 21?
You know why that people of color do not spend time poking sticks. In
some cases, it could purely financial-they may not have their own
computer. Another reason could be that their parents raised them
better. Yes that is anti parent-not anti whit you shit eating whore.

<end quote>

When pressed on how she could discern a person's race from their writing
style, Lady Veteran failed to respond.

Racist and sexist.

19. What does Lady Veteran think of Air Force pilots?

Lady Veteran is on the record stating that Air Force pilots are cowards.
Quoting from Message-ID:
<FD61BA67148006B8.0AC8A33AD0FC8798.555ED8B384D327D 0@lp.airnews.net>

They are most definitely cowards if they can't call a person fat to
their face and reap the benefits their comments so richly deserve.
BTW, I don't find hotshot pilots so brave. They fly up above the war
and could care less where their bombs fall. If they cared, maybe there
would be less war.

<end quote>

20. Is Lady Veteran, despite being a lesbian, homophobic?

Yes.

Quoting from Message-ID: <qu0571l8r39c8m1ib7a46dv63cai7hig6n@4ax.com>

Well when you get to the sigmoidoscopy just tell him that he is going
where no man has gone before...LOL!!

The idiots on this group sure can't say that.

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Whoooeee! Lookit this porker.
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:19:32 -0500
Message-ID: <6l9r835f5emlt0htrij2nomrbn3jd6t9s0@4ax.com>

>Guys who say they like fat women are the ones who have never had a hot
>chick. This is how they rationalize their lack of quality trim.

You couldn't keep up with a gay man on your best day bubba. Who the
hell are you kidding?

<end quote>

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Please limit comments ref LV
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:55:22 -0500
Message-ID: <ki34e318lnq0siri67k4ejo6907b8i2sq8@4ax.com>

Another delusional fool who thinks a pecker will solve everything.
Fuckfaces like you are the reason there are lesbians.

<end quote>

21. Lady Veteran is a net loon. Is she also insane in real life?

Yes. In Lady Veteran's own words:

From: bbi@airmail.net (Bobbi Sanchez)
Subject: Jacque champion's Best Friend
Date: 1998/11/09
Message-ID:
<AA5737F4407BF438.75053B83A5011CDC.5BC343E27A26902 5@library-proxy.airnews.n
et>#1/1
Newsgroups: dfw.flame


I am trying to locate a lady named Terri who used to be a friend of
Jacque champion (mainden name Krippen). Both were involved in the
psychic community and Jacque is an experienced Tarot reader. She has
told people that Terri is languishing in some mental asylum and has
probably killed herself. I need to compare notes with Terri because
Jacque is saying the same thing about me.

<end quote>

22. Was Lady Veteran forging Jean C?

Yes. Proof was posted in Message-ID:
<2H8XKYQV38075.0543865741@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>

23. Where does Lady Veteran work?

Lady Veteran is currently unemployed after being terminated, due to either
her Usenet postings or poor job performance, by the MMC Group.

MMC Group
105 Decker Court, Suite 150
Irving, Texas 75062

Phone: 972-893-0100
www.mmcgrp.com

24. Was Lady Veteran evicted from her apartment?

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: A question
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:19:38 -0600
Message-ID: <fj14n210qe47ge5g69nm5poqvl5vqk0eqs@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance

> It was she that disclosed the she was evicted from her dwelling because
> she did not
>pay the rent.

No one else in the entire universe has ever been evicted due to job
layoff except fir me...

<end quote>

25. Lady Veteran is barely literate. Was she trying to sell writing
services under the alias of 'Wordsmith'?

Yes. Lady Veteran posted this advertisement on Usenet:

Wordsmith Services and Pricing
www.georicites.com/ladyveteran@sbcglobal.net

Resumes (1-2 pages)
$35.00
Resumes (additional pages - including addendums)
$10.00
Cover Letters
$10.00
Envelopes
$5.00
Mailing
ask for pricing
Dossiers
$25.00
Business Cards (50 cards)
$15.00
Brochures
$40.00
Websites (design only)
$100.00
Reports/Term Papers Composition
$50.00
Reports/Term Papers Typing only
$25.00
Research
$20.00 per hour
Personal letters composition
$25.00
Personal Letters typing only
$10.00
Bumper Stickers
$1.50


August Special!!! Get a free custom bumper sticker with each order. Good
until august 31, 2004
Payment can be made by cash or credit card, no checks please
A 50%payment is due at beginning of assignment with balance due prior to
delivery.


Thanks!
We look forward to working with you.
The Wordsmith at your service.
We look forward to hearing from you

<end quote>

Quoting Gumshoe McFindy : "[note the creative spelling of geocities.
Typo's aren't usually a good sign in someone who fancies themself a
linguist...HTH]"

26. Is Lady Veteran a neo Nazi?

Yes. At least she aspires to be one.

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Bobbi Sanchez of esoftsolutions.com makes another death
threat.
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:03:20 -0600
Message-ID: <9mj1l3161tsq004l7r9tc9ieml7ntaaajt@4ax.com>

How many swastikas can I draw on your forehead before I run out of
ammo, sock puppet?

<end quote>

27. Lady Veteran contacted Google not to archive her posts, yet she brands
those who use "no archive" headers as "cowards". Is this hypocritical?

Yes, of course it is. This is not the only area where she displays blatant
hypocrisy.

28. Did Lady Veteran receive her degree from a "diploma mill"?

Lady Veteran's degree came from Academy International of Santa Barbara,
California. This school has no website, no listed phone number, no
references from alumni, and above all, there is now a chiropractor's office
at Academy International's last known address.

29. Why does Lady Veteran have such a difficult time composing a coherent
sentence, especially since she runs a business called "The Wordsmith"?

She has made various excuses, "dyslexia" being the latest.

From: Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: po'folks loans?
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:19:31 -0500
Message-ID: <1crs54llar832ipqtsddvlptru9l6vtadb@4ax.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.support.fat-acceptance,soc.singles,alt.usenet.kooks,dfw.genera l,austin.
general

>She writes at about the the level of a 4th grade student.
>
>Jan

I do not need to justify anything to you, skanky, but since you asked
so nicely...I have a form of dyslexia.

<end quote>

30. Has Lady Veteran won Usenet's coveted 'Kook of the Month' award?

Yes. Lady Veteran swept several awards in April, 2008.

KOOK OF THE MONTH
CLUELESS NEWBIE OF THE MONTH
COWARD OF THE MONTH

Congratulations, Lady Veteran!

31. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran?

Home phone: 972-447-2109
Work phone: unemployed
Mobile number: 972-786-6275
Personal email: armyvet@bigfoot.com or gr8t_recruiter@yahoo.com or
imagoodrecruiter@gmail.com
Work email: unemployed
Employer: unemployed
Employer website: unemployed

The Master wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>
>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>>
>>
>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories
>> , the
>> result will be temporary!
>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
>> your body with.
>
>
> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
> healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you
> already said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to
> have long lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply
> calling it a "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply
> a glorified diet and exercise plan.
>

I almost hate to jump in here as I am a lurker. Here is the difference.
Instead of eating the 24oz. Porterhouse you have the 12oz one. Instead
of smothering your baked potatoes with 4Tbs of butter and a quarter cup
of sour cream and a quarter cup of cheddar cheese you put 1Tbs of butter
the same of sour cream and cheddar cheese. Instead of eating a pint of
Hagan Daz Coffee ice cream, you eat a cup. This is the lifestyle change.
You can still be satisfied. I used to weigh 285 and now I am 190 and
pretty fit. The one thing I learned with my lifestyle change was this;
My body didn't need everything I was putting into it. This is from a guy
that grew up over weight and was overweight for two thirds of his adult
life. I went from a 42 inch waist to a 34 inch waist. From XXL shirts to
Medium. I'm 44 now and plan on staying where I am for the rest of my
life. The funny thing is, now that I have changed my lifestyle I am
finding that there are no difficulties in maintaining for several years.
Personally I'm happy with me and don't really worry about what other
people are doing with their bodies. If someone asked how I did it, I'll
be happy to tell them, but I really don't expect to see them do anything
with the information.

Peace

--
Patrick

The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
appreciates how difficult it was. - La Rochefoucauld

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:

> Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!

And I'd rather be fat. If I wanted to eat bean spouts and work my ass off
at the gym, I'd already be doing it...

I can lose weight working out, I can lose weight by dieting. I'm willing
to bet that every regular non-troll in the fat-acceptance group has done
it time and time and time again.

Now I can't speak for them, but I wouldn't "falter and keep trying", but
instead give it up because it wasn't worth it. Too much damn work. It's
not fun, it's not enjoyable, it's not even "work". It was nothing more
then torture.

If I have to eat tofu, bean sprouts, cabbage, carrots, lean skinless
chicken breasts, and horken fiber chunks, while working out 2 hours three
times a week, just so I can live to be 80 years old, I'd rather trade in a
number of those years so I can eat steaks and watch TV.

Longer quantity of life does NOT automatically mean higher quality. In
fact, I'd argue that 1 year of "the way I want" is worth at least 2 of
"skinny torture camp".

> We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.

If I wasn't designed to sit on my ass, I wouldn't have one.

> If eating bowls of Sugar flakes or pop tarts for breakfast got me fat, why
> would I return to eating that crap once I lost the weight thru better
> eating?

Because to lose the weight you have to eat stuff that tastes like
styrofoam.

The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> DB wrote:
>
> > Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!
>
> And I'd rather be fat. *If I wanted to eat bean spouts and work my ass off
> at the gym, I'd already be doing it...
>
> I can lose weight working out, I can lose weight by dieting. *I'm willing
> to bet that every regular non-troll in the fat-acceptance group has done
> it time and time and time again.

And most on the 3 diet support group you listed. Who on a
diet support group hasn't dieted, lost, quit, regained at least
once? It's not the losing that matters but the keeping it off.

> Now I can't speak for them, but I wouldn't "falter and keep trying", but
> instead give it up because it wasn't worth it. *Too much damn work. *It's
> not fun, it's not enjoyable, it's not even "work". *It was nothing more
> then torture.

Would you try again if you knew there were only 3 points of
under a week where you'd be hungry? That's how low carb
works for most. Not everyone of course, just like there are
people who never get hungry on low fat, but most aren't hungry
while low carbing.

> If I have to eat tofu, bean sprouts, cabbage, carrots, lean skinless
> chicken breasts, and horken fiber chunks, while working out 2 hours three
> times a week, just so I can live to be 80 years old, I'd rather trade in a
> number of those years so I can eat steaks and watch TV.

Good thing you added the low carb support group to the
list then. Go low carb and you can eat steaks. If you limit
your portions you can get pretty close to your ideal weight
without hunger. If you don't limit your portions you can drift
down, not to your ideal weight but to maybe 10-30 pounds
above it. Low carb food is nothing like the list you wrote,
though any of them can be eaten on low carb if you want.

Exercise at least the level of 30+ minutes walking on the
flat at least every other day, not much can be done about
that. Eliminate it and you'll end up farther from ideal weight.

If you are going to print something, STALKER-do it right!

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From: Ora...@LVFAQ.com (The Oracle)
Newsgroups:
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Subject: The Official Lady Veteran FAQ (Bobbi Sanchez)
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The Official Lady Veteran FAQ v0.91

1. What is Lady Veteran's real name?
2. What does Lady Veteran look like?
3. Are Lady Veteran's teeth really that brown?
4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you?
5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed? (this bastard can't spell
either)
6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar?
7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans?
8. What is Lady Veteran's height and weight?
9. What is Lady Veteran built like?
10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian?
11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroup?
12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel?
13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who
disagree with her?
14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus?
15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for
over 3 months when it crashed?
16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased?
17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army?
18. Is Lady Veteran a racist?
19. Where does Lady Veteran work?
20. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran?


1. What is Lady Veteran's real name?

Bobbi Sanchez

2. What does Lady Veteran look like?

http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm

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This is a web site put up by a fool who is still being parted from her
money. I suspect a troll Named Jade, whom I consider a gossip monger
and chief sociopath. If and when I find her, I will bring charges
against her.
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3. Are Lady Veteran's teeth really that brown?

Yes.
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NO. This is an altered picture. Anyone who wants to see the real one
as only to ask. So far, no one is interested in the truth except for
me, I guess.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you?

LV will claim that the picture was altered, but only the name tag was
added. LV used to have the original picture posted on her personal
web
site at http://profiles.yahoo.com/lady_veteran . It was taken down
after a dentist was shocked by the color of her teeth (Message-ID:
<43ms20p62nc280ro3q88en4h3vugdaf...@4ax.com> ). LV subsequently
replaced
the picture to avoid further embarrassment.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the guy who is as much as a dentist as I am.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed?

Yes. Message-ID:
<38C814E536AE9844.15B8C70F1948AFC3.F2AA7341D7E8B.. .@lp.airnews.net>#1/1

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Now if you were reading you would think in the near recent past-right?
It actually happened in 1999. A lot has past since them. The idiots
like to make me look like an accomplished n'er do well who will not
pay her bills.
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6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar?

Yes. Not only did she beg a priest for money to pay her rent
(Message-ID:
<33FBD47F044F1402.9414A74F8938BCC8.AA82604960F75.. .@lp.airnews.net>#1/1),
she also posted a message on NAAFA's web board and created a Geocities
web site for the sole purpose of begging for money for her war on
trolls.

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Again this happened in early 2000. Anyone can lose their job. Not that
it should matter to the sociopaths of SSFA, but I am a technical
recruiter. In early 2000, I could not get a job in my field and my
savings was evaporating very fast. Anybody can have financial hardship
but it is a crime when I have problems. Somehow I am some sort of
dregs or something or another. The site I put up in Geocities was done
during this time frame as well. I was trying to raise money to hire a
CANADIAN lawyer to bring MARTY (poor Canada-they don't want him
either.) up on charges. The reasons will become clear later.
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7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans?

Yes. Message-ID:
<AFDA5075017A206D.9F8B3834FF2B162D.2BCF533C17527.. .@lp.airnews.net>#1/1

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See above. I make no apologies for being out of work when three
quarters of my colleagues were pounding the payment with me.
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8. What is Lady Veteran's height and weight?

5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

Message-ID: <em98lso2rg326hfelsrc10crvqjt143...@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5utfctkamapne0sqh0v8c0gp3qhjon2...@4ax.com>
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I certainly make no apologies for this. Besides. Besides this post was
written in 2000
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9. What is Lady Veteran built like?

Like a wrestler, according to LV herself.
Message-ID: ubfbqs4r0koopeg7fa86or27b9mpcmf...@4ax.com

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I have very dense body tissue. I am what Eastern Europeans call good
sturdy peasant stock.
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10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian?
Apart from her unfeminine looks and Usenet behavior, LV admits to
wearing men's pants ( Message-ID:
<0spvlskkdg305qpeibhltspl04qv12i...@4ax.com>#1/1).

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So wearing men's pants makes one a lesbian? That is NEW to me.
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11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups?

Yes.

alt.blobbi.veteran-cunt
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka
alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka.aka.lady-veteran

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I have been so honored by Jim "pig-fucker" Dutton and Michael
Cranston. They should seriously consider removing them or there is a
good change I will own every possession these two pieces of garbage
own.
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12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel?

Yes. Note her personal profile posted at
http://www.bestjobsus.com/bt-empd-armyvet.htm . This address is for
the
Budget Suites of America.

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Why can't a single woman live in an extended stay hotel? It was a nice
place and I had maid service. Had a chance to save money and start a
business that idiots promptly sabotaged. Yes these idiot owe me a
great deal.
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13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who
disagree with her?

Yes. As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private
investigator $500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who
was besting her with their every encounter. LV later took things to
real life with Jim Dutton and contacted his employer. LV's mission is
to take things to real life with anyone who disagrees with her,
assuming she can track the person down.

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It was a lot more than a disagreement as you will see. Jim Dutton was
turned in for writing porn on his IBM issued computer in his IBM
office because wifey would not let him post at home. He had a lot of
'splaining to do. I hired a PI to locate "marty' and another terrorist
named "NR." I ended up doing it myself. There was a third named
"Jackie Tokeman" that was outed by the shyster Cranston (I guess he
somehow "offended" our boar-loving lawyer.
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14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus?

Yes, because her home was not a suitable environment according to the
rescue organization.

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I was turned down. I was turned down because I had one female that was
not spayed. To rescuers, that is a cardinal sin.
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15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for
over 3 months when it crashed?

Yes. Message-ID: <010d01c265d6$9467ea00$18ea3040@MAIN>

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I needed to replace the computer. I guess anyone else can do that
and-- oh well. If I do-it is a national disaster.
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16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased?

Yes. She suffers from lupus and boils. LV probably has some
co-morbidities associated with obesity as well.
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Well let's see. My last boil was a loooooooong time ago. You notice
none of these are dated? Hmmmm
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17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army?

Speculation surrounds her lesbianism.

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Now see, this idiocy is unfounded. I am not a lesbian and this is
defamation of character. I have an honorable discharge and have the
normal appetites of a normal heterosexual woman.
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18. Is Lady Veteran a racist?

Yes. Quoting from Message-ID:
<svebc0h9nbj6955bsurqic2bhck2e05...@4ax.com>
:

The lower half of 1 black man is worth 10 complete white men. When
I fuck I like MEN, not little sissyboys that have to talk from
behind their mommy's skirt.

I lova da bothas:-)

<end quote>
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This was in response to a troll named Leroy. The inference was that I
could only get black men to be interested in me and that somehow is a
bad thing. My response was not the best it could have been but it got
the point across: If black men was all I could get, then HALF of a
BLACK man was better then a whole white idiot. I had a hunch that
"LeRoy" was as black as what the KKK would allow. I was proven right
when the idiots hollered "racism!"
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Quoting from Message-ID:
<news:32593110AEB31ACC.AE57CF2C8A1A20A9.F0DCF962F6 552859@lp.airnews.net>

You talk about the Asian is very gifted. You should follow their
example by being polite,



AND QUIET!!!!!!!!!!

<end quote>

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This was, again a "white" idiot pretending to be Asian. Suspecting
this, I succeeded in insulting the white idiot-not for being white,
but for being an idiot. His race did not make him stupid. He did that
all by himself.
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19. Where does Lady Veteran work?

The Empower Network
5055 Keller Springs
Suite 550
Addison, Texas 75001

Main--972-852-4100
Direct--972-852-4112
Fax--972-759-4405
http://www.theempowernetwork.com

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This information was gathered by the idiot from job postings I made in
the course of doing my REAL LIFE job. This is a direct example of
stalking as far as I am concerned and encouraging others to do the
same.
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20. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran?

Home phone: xxxxxxxxxx
Work phone: xxxxxxxxxx
Mobile number: xxxxxxxxxx
Personal email: army...@bigfoot.com
Work email: bobbi.sanc...@theempowernetwork.com

__________________________________________________ _____________
END OF FAQ

LV-posted in SSFA

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
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change the subject."

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:37:44 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote
this stuff here :

>
>"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011838100.6665@sdf.lonesta r.org...
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>>
>>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the moment I stop
>>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in the gym, it
>>>> comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
>>>
>>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count calories ,
>>> the
>>> result will be temporary!
>>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what you are fueling
>>> your body with.
>>
>> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place? Let me guess,
>> healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's exactly what you already
>> said is a temporary fix... Get the problem? The only way to have long
>> lasting weight loss is to constantly stick with it. Simply calling it a
>> "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the fact that it's simply a glorified
>> diet and exercise plan.
>
>Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!

Aging is all of our lifetime commitment. You cannot avoid the effects
of aging especially once you get into your 70s. I love it when people
brag about how they're going to live longer than other people and then
that famous person ups and dies in their 60s. It is so very funny.
All that torture for not.

>We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.

I doubt more than 200 in the world has ever eaten shit more than one
time in their life. You must be targeting that comment toward no one
here?

>If eating bowls of Sugar flakes or pop tarts for breakfast got me fat, why
>would I return to eating that crap once I lost the weight thru better
>eating?

As long as you tally calories you can eat any item of food you want
and still lose and maintain your weight.

You could go on a chocolate ice cream diet if you wanted as long as
you counted those calories each day.
Same goes for a all bread diet or a all ham diet. As long as you
didn't eat more than a certain number of calories you will lose
weight.

Why eat non-carb cardboard food for life when you can enjoy a variety
of foods for life? Who would dare PLAN such a boring painful torture?

Hell, we feed prisoners better than that and a large percentage of
them are at a good weight. Yes a couple here and there are fat but
most maintain a good weight and can enjoy all kind carbs.

Why would a person plan a life to eat more painful foods than a
prisoner?

I guess some people just enjoy torturing themselves, I guess it is
some masochistic type desire.

Be well or try to.

Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news9cn64dihq8v6vdp4l6avkrmqfp0c7ngqc@4ax.com:

> 2. What does Lady Veteran look like?
>
> http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------- This is a web site put up by a fool who is
> still being parted from her money. I suspect a troll Named Jade, whom
> I consider a gossip monger and chief sociopath. If and when I find
> her, I will bring charges against her.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------

Fixated on Jade, I see.



--
SneakyP
To reply: newsgroup only, what's posted in ng stays in ng.

Some choose to swim in the potty bowl of nan-ae rather than flush it
down :0)

Non carb cardboard food? Like steaks and chops, ham and chicken, fish and
eggs, bacon, bacon, bacon, nuts, lettuce, celery, tomatoes, peppers,
cucumbers, asparagus--with butter on it, cauliflower, nuts, heavy cream,
blueberries, strawberries, peaches, cantaloupe, shrimp, squash, cabbage,
etc. Definitely low carb, which is what the diet is, not non carb, but
definitely NOT cardboard.

Always Learning wrote:
|
| Why eat non-carb cardboard food for life when you can enjoy a variety
| of foods for life? Who would dare PLAN such a boring painful torture?
|

On 01 Jul 2008, Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com> posted some
news:tmrl64p6a9toqcd8urbdfn12o7l0drrvt7@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:37:44 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in
message
>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0807011838100.6665@sdf.lonest ar.org...
>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DB wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've already said that I COULD lose weight. But the
moment I stop
>>>>> counting calories, the moment I stop working my ass off in
the
>>>>> gym, it comes back. How is the success rate of 2 years?
5 years?
>>>>> 10 years?
>>>>
>>>> If you have a temporary solution like a diet where you count
>>>> calories , the
>>>> result will be temporary!
>>>> What it all comes down to is a lifestyle in terms of what
you are
>>>> fueling your body with.
>>>
>>> Lifestyle? Ok, what "lifestyle change" must take place?
Let me
>>> guess, healthy eating, and exercise. Sorry, but that's
exactly what
>>> you already said is a temporary fix... Get the problem?
The only
>>> way to have long lasting weight loss is to constantly stick
with it.
>>> Simply calling it a "lifestyle change" doesn't alter the
fact that
>>> it's simply a glorified diet and exercise plan.
>>
>>Staying healthy is a lifetime commitment!
>
> It also seems to be a license to ridicule others, according to some.
>>
>>We were not designed to sit around and eat shit all day.
>
> We are not designed to talk shit all day either.

We are not designed to look like shit all day either.

Hey, go ahead and fuck up your kidneys. Also watch how soon you have a
heart attack from eating literally nothing but fatty foods. You'll
like, "OMG I had no idea I was torturing myself and murdering my body
like this...I'll change this time, I promise!"

Of course you'll do what most people do and blame it on some vague set
of circumstances which in no way caused your health problems.

"That damn cell phone caused it!"



On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:14:56 -0400, "FOB" <fob@removethisameritech.net>
wrote this stuff here :

>Non carb cardboard food? Like steaks and chops, ham and chicken, fish and
>eggs, bacon, bacon, bacon, nuts, lettuce, celery, tomatoes, peppers,
>cucumbers, asparagus--with butter on it, cauliflower, nuts, heavy cream,
>blueberries, strawberries, peaches, cantaloupe, shrimp, squash, cabbage,
>etc. Definitely low carb, which is what the diet is, not non carb, but
>definitely NOT cardboard.
>
>Always Learning wrote:
>|
>| Why eat non-carb cardboard food for life when you can enjoy a variety
>| of foods for life? Who would dare PLAN such a boring painful torture?
>|
>

On 2008-07-03, Always Learning <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote:

[ rearranged to fix idiotic top-posting ]

> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:14:56 -0400, "FOB" <fob@removethisameritech.net>
> wrote this stuff here :
>
>>Non carb cardboard food? Like steaks and chops, ham and chicken, fish and
>>eggs, bacon, bacon, bacon, nuts, lettuce, celery, tomatoes, peppers,
>>cucumbers, asparagus--with butter on it, cauliflower, nuts, heavy cream,
>>blueberries, strawberries, peaches, cantaloupe, shrimp, squash, cabbage,
>>etc. Definitely low carb, which is what the diet is, not non carb, but
>>definitely NOT cardboard.
>
> Hey, go ahead and fuck up your kidneys. Also watch how soon you have a
> heart attack from eating literally nothing but fatty foods.

I see lots of things other than fatty foods in FOB's list. Are cabbage and
squash fatty foods? Most of the stuff looks wholesome.

> like, "OMG I had no idea I was torturing myself and murdering my body
> like this...I'll change this time, I promise!"

If you eat the above foods, but within a reasonable caloric limit so that you
stay slim, nothing bad will happen.

It's overeating that murders the body.
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