Report from St. Louis

Hi, people. Well, I've been in St. Louis for two weeks now. And my
weight continues to creep up. This morning it was up to 87 kg! I
really don't know what I'm doing wrong.

This morning I ordered one week's worth of Nutrisystem meals. I can
still do this while sticking to my basic 1500 calorie diet plan with
bonus calories and excercise, because all the Nutrisystem stuff has
calories on it. I figured it would just give me some other samples of
good portions and add some variety to my diet. Plus it looks like it's
all conveniently single-portion stuff.

On the bright side, I finished two full years on my diet last week.

doug

I like the taste of their food just got bored with it. How long are you in
STL? and don't forget the humidity is MUCH higher this time of year, Lee,
who was wondering if you made it
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, people. Well, I've been in St. Louis for two weeks now. And my
> weight continues to creep up. This morning it was up to 87 kg! I
> really don't know what I'm doing wrong.
>
> This morning I ordered one week's worth of Nutrisystem meals. I can
> still do this while sticking to my basic 1500 calorie diet plan with
> bonus calories and excercise, because all the Nutrisystem stuff has
> calories on it. I figured it would just give me some other samples of
> good portions and add some variety to my diet. Plus it looks like it's
> all conveniently single-portion stuff.
>
> On the bright side, I finished two full years on my diet last week.
>
> doug
>

On Jun 11, 12:58 pm, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> I like the taste of their food just got bored with it. How long are you in
> STL? and don't forget the humidity is MUCH higher this time of year, Lee,
> who was wondering if you made itdoug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>

I've been in STL for 2 weeks now! I've gotten a lot done - ordered a
carport for my house and got the building permit, bought a used car
(!) and even ordered some furniture.

Does humidity have anything to do with weight loss, or were you just
talking about the weather?

doug

humidity can cause bloating in both sexes, and if you are doing extra
physical work that could account for several pounds, Lee, waiting to get
together if you have the time
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 11, 12:58 pm, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> > I like the taste of their food just got bored with it. How long are you
in
> > STL? and don't forget the humidity is MUCH higher this time of year,
Lee,
> > who was wondering if you made itdoug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote
in message
> >
>
> I've been in STL for 2 weeks now! I've gotten a lot done - ordered a
> carport for my house and got the building permit, bought a used car
> (!) and even ordered some furniture.
>
> Does humidity have anything to do with weight loss, or were you just
> talking about the weather?
>
> doug
>

On Jun 11, 2:09 pm, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> humidity can cause bloating in both sexes, and if you are doing extra
> physical work that could account for several pounds, Lee, waiting to get
> together if you have the timedoug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote in message

I have time. Anytime is fine. Email me! doug@lerner.net.

doug

Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!

What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.

doug@starting to panic

On Jun 12, 8:44 am, doug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!
>
> What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
> doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.
>
> doug@starting to panic

My weight loss plateau - and now creeping gain - can be traced
historically to two events I think.

(1) Last October my dog, Tao, passed away:

http://lerner.net/blog/tao-1992-2006-movie/

Not only did I use to walk him multiple times each day (4 or 5 walks
per day were not unusual) I never counted those walks as "exercise
calories". They were always just part of my daily routine.

Plus there was the incredible stress with dealing with the final few
months of Tao's life.

(2) Around the same time I started counting all walks - not just
special "power walks" towards exercise calories.

I guess the combination of both events is what is really causing the
problem - not enough exercise plus counting too much of the exercise I
do towards bonus calories.

doug

"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 12, 8:44 am, doug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
>> doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.
>>
>> doug@starting to panic
>
> My weight loss plateau - and now creeping gain - can be traced
> historically to two events I think.
>
> (1) Last October my dog, Tao, passed away:
>
> http://lerner.net/blog/tao-1992-2006-movie/
>
> Not only did I use to walk him multiple times each day (4 or 5 walks
> per day were not unusual) I never counted those walks as "exercise
> calories". They were always just part of my daily routine.
>
> Plus there was the incredible stress with dealing with the final few
> months of Tao's life.
>
> (2) Around the same time I started counting all walks - not just
> special "power walks" towards exercise calories.
>
> I guess the combination of both events is what is really causing the
> problem - not enough exercise plus counting too much of the exercise I
> do towards bonus calories.
>
> doug
>
Doug, I just don't count those exercise points. I just try to walk as
much as I can every day five times a week. You are just going to have
to start walking alone unless you have another dog. It is getting
really warm here, 100 degrees tomorrow, but I walk from 6:45 until 7:30.
When I have someone to walk with me I walk for an hour. I will try to
do a few evening walks too.
Audrey

I think I can't sustain the diet forever without counting ANY exercise
points.

What I will try to do is count ONLY exercise points for "intentional
exercise", like exercise power walks or cycling on an exercise
machine. That would be back to what I was doing before changing the
way I counted exercise at the end of last year.

I don't know why I ever let my friend convince me that shopping was
worth 3 calories a minute.

doug

> Doug, I just don't count those exercise points. I just try to walk as
> much as I can every day five times a week. You are just going to have
> to start walking alone unless you have another dog. It is getting
> really warm here, 100 degrees tomorrow, but I walk from 6:45 until 7:30.
> When I have someone to walk with me I walk for an hour. I will try to
> do a few evening walks too.
> Audrey

I decided to try counting exercise points like I used to before the
end of last year. In other words, no counting "shopping walks" or
anything but "designated power walks and cycling".

I know it's just a coincidence, but I lost 2.2 lb (a full kilo!) since
yesterday's weigh-in, so I feel like I'm "back from the brink".

doug

I've gone and come home from Missouri.. didn't have a minute to myself
really.. we spent the entire vacation cleaning and moving junk out o the
house and stuff like that..

/

Will~ who needs a vacation from the vacation!

"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 11, 2:09 pm, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>> humidity can cause bloating in both sexes, and if you are doing extra
>> physical work that could account for several pounds, Lee, waiting to get
>> together if you have the timedoug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message
>
> I have time. Anytime is fine. Email me! doug@lerner.net.
>
> doug
>

Well Doug I've followed your posts for a long time...In many ways our
weights were very close...Now within 1.7 lbs of goal we remain similar...I
just watched "Tao's life" and you must be one hell of a guy...I too have
dogs and love them as much as any family member...Your stress at the end
must have been devastating...My dog walking I believe has been one of my
great motivators...My loss of weight has allowed me to walk farther as well
as faster which also makes my guys happy...Don't get down over this
temporary shift...Stay the course (which you do without ever giving
in)...Good luck in your journey...GG
"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 12, 8:44 am, doug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
>> doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.
>>
>> doug@starting to panic
>
> My weight loss plateau - and now creeping gain - can be traced
> historically to two events I think.
>
> (1) Last October my dog, Tao, passed away:
>
> http://lerner.net/blog/tao-1992-2006-movie/
>
> Not only did I use to walk him multiple times each day (4 or 5 walks
> per day were not unusual) I never counted those walks as "exercise
> calories". They were always just part of my daily routine.
>
> Plus there was the incredible stress with dealing with the final few
> months of Tao's life.
>
> (2) Around the same time I started counting all walks - not just
> special "power walks" towards exercise calories.
>
> I guess the combination of both events is what is really causing the
> problem - not enough exercise plus counting too much of the exercise I
> do towards bonus calories.
>
> doug
>

good for you figuring this out, sounds as if you need a reason to walk, Lee,
proud of you and emailing in a day or so
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 12, 8:44 am, doug lerner <dougler...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
> > doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.
> >
> > doug@starting to panic
>
> My weight loss plateau - and now creeping gain - can be traced
> historically to two events I think.
>
> (1) Last October my dog, Tao, passed away:
>
> http://lerner.net/blog/tao-1992-2006-movie/
>
> Not only did I use to walk him multiple times each day (4 or 5 walks
> per day were not unusual) I never counted those walks as "exercise
> calories". They were always just part of my daily routine.
>
> Plus there was the incredible stress with dealing with the final few
> months of Tao's life.
>
> (2) Around the same time I started counting all walks - not just
> special "power walks" towards exercise calories.
>
> I guess the combination of both events is what is really causing the
> problem - not enough exercise plus counting too much of the exercise I
> do towards bonus calories.
>
> doug
>

Like I said, humidity plus more physical work can add up to a few pounds, if
you are doing it the right way ignore the scale, Lee
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, my weight is definitely creeping up. 87.8 kg this morning!
>
> What am I doing wrong? I don't think I am overeating. I think I am
> doing whatever I have always done on my U.S. trips.
>
> doug@starting to panic
>

going back to the start is a great thing to try, Lee
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think I can't sustain the diet forever without counting ANY exercise
> points.
>
> What I will try to do is count ONLY exercise points for "intentional
> exercise", like exercise power walks or cycling on an exercise
> machine. That would be back to what I was doing before changing the
> way I counted exercise at the end of last year.
>
> I don't know why I ever let my friend convince me that shopping was
> worth 3 calories a minute.
>
> doug
>
> > Doug, I just don't count those exercise points. I just try to walk as
> > much as I can every day five times a week. You are just going to have
> > to start walking alone unless you have another dog. It is getting
> > really warm here, 100 degrees tomorrow, but I walk from 6:45 until 7:30.
> > When I have someone to walk with me I walk for an hour. I will try to
> > do a few evening walks too.
> > Audrey
>
>

Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
like 8 months already!

doug

this has never gotten easier for me, but there comes a point where the pain
is assuaged a bit by the good memories, Le
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
> like 8 months already!
>
> doug
>

At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we all meet
again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
> like 8 months already!
>
> doug
>

*Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!

Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she worked
at.

"Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we all
> meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
> "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
>> like 8 months already!
>>
>> doug
>>
>
>

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:55:31 -0700, doug lerner wrote:

> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
> like 8 months already!
>
> doug

I miss my Gray cat terribly still. It's been a year and a few weeks.
It's been a help having the other three cats, but Gray was part of my
life for for a wonderful 14 years. I'll never forget him, but it is
true, the grief will ease and you'll think of the good times you had
with Tao.


--
Cynthia
262/239.5/152

you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for a
brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried sick
over the newest foster
Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message
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> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
>
> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she worked
> at.
>
> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we all
> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
> >> like 8 months already!
> >>
> >> doug
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

What's going on with the foster?

Will~

"Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for a
> brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried
> sick
> over the newest foster
> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> message
> news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
>>
>> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she worked
>> at.
>>
>> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
>> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we all
>> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
>> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
>> >> like 8 months already!
>> >>
>> >> doug
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Yes...What is the foster?...GG
"Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
message news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
> What's going on with the foster?
>
> Will~
>
> "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
>> you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for a
>> brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried
>> sick
>> over the newest foster
>> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
>> message
>> news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
>>>
>>> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
>>> worked
>>> at.
>>>
>>> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we
>>> > all
>>> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
>>> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's been
>>> >> like 8 months already!
>>> >>
>>> >> doug
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Down another 0.3 kg this morning!

That's down 1.65 kg = 3.6 lb in 3 days!

OK. No more calorie "estimates". I'm only eating what's marked and
labeled, or that I can weigh myself, for while!

doug

No more complaining if you are bloated after a trip. It disappears if
you are careful for the following few days.
Audrey
"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Down another 0.3 kg this morning!
>
> That's down 1.65 kg = 3.6 lb in 3 days!
>
> OK. No more calorie "estimates". I'm only eating what's marked and
> labeled, or that I can weigh myself, for while!
>
> doug
>

Loss = Relief...Enjoy...GG
"doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Down another 0.3 kg this morning!
>
> That's down 1.65 kg = 3.6 lb in 3 days!
>
> OK. No more calorie "estimates". I'm only eating what's marked and
> labeled, or that I can weigh myself, for while!
>
> doug
>

And down another .2 lb this morning. That's 3.85 lb down over the last
4 days.

By the by, does anybody know how many calories are in a Sam's Club
pretzel?

doug

He is a beautiful smart wonderfully loving animal but when we had him for
his first vet visit DH noticed he held his head funny when walking, at first
he thought it looked like my DF's cat who is very cross eyed. When the vet
looked at him and examined him closer after watching him walk she concluded
that he has suffered a head trauma at some point. we tried to catch this
guy a few months ago and couldn't get close enough so it has happened in the
intervening time... flash forward to a few days after the vet visit... DH
says I think patch really has something wrong with him, he doesn't wake up
or start when a loud noise happens like the other cats... I called to him
and clapped my hands, nothing, DH tells me that when he goes to clean his
box or feed him patch doesn't wake unless DH touches him.

This of course means that getting him healthy taking him to a shelter is out
of the question, and I was just sick because I know we really shouldn't keep
him, but taking him to a shelter at worst means death and at the no kill, he
still probably wouldn't get adopted... he is too a loving cat to live his
life in a shelter, even a good one... but the good news is that my dear
friend's son is going to adopt patch so I am no longer sick with worry just
a little sad as I always am when I adopt a cat out. Lee
Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message
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> What's going on with the foster?
>
> Will~
>
> "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
> > you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for
a
> > brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried
> > sick
> > over the newest foster
> > Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> > message
> > news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
> >> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
> >>
> >> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
worked
> >> at.
> >>
> >> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
> >> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we
all
> >> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
> >> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's
been
> >> >> like 8 months already!
> >> >>
> >> >> doug
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

sorry I have been away from the computer, see my answer to willow, I am
touched by your concern, Lee
Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Yes...What is the foster?...GG
> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> message news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
> > What's going on with the foster?
> >
> > Will~
> >
> > "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> > news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for
a
> >> brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried
> >> sick
> >> over the newest foster
> >> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
> >>> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
> >>>
> >>> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
> >>> worked
> >>> at.
> >>>
> >>> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
> >>> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we
> >>> > all
> >>> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
> >>> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> >>> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's
been
> >>> >> like 8 months already!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> doug
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

they might have it at their website and I will ask my buddy at the cafe if
that is where you got it from, Lee
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> And down another .2 lb this morning. That's 3.85 lb down over the last
> 4 days.
>
> By the by, does anybody know how many calories are in a Sam's Club
> pretzel?
>
> doug
>

sorry great loss, Lee
doug lerner <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Down another 0.3 kg this morning!
>
> That's down 1.65 kg = 3.6 lb in 3 days!
>
> OK. No more calorie "estimates". I'm only eating what's marked and
> labeled, or that I can weigh myself, for while!
>
> doug
>

You have a good heart...I'll never understand pet abuse...Of course children
are also abused as are adults...But there is something which turns in my
stomach when it involves pets...GG
"Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> sorry I have been away from the computer, see my answer to willow, I am
> touched by your concern, Lee
> Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:f4t2ta02ed5@news4.newsguy.com...
>> Yes...What is the foster?...GG
>> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
>> message news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
>> > What's going on with the foster?
>> >
>> > Will~
>> >
>> > "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>> > news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even
>> >> for
> a
>> >> brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee,
>> >> worried
>> >> sick
>> >> over the newest foster
>> >> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>> >>> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
>> >>> worked
>> >>> at.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >>> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we
>> >>> > all
>> >>> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
>> >>> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> >>> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's
> been
>> >>> >> like 8 months already!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> doug
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

the wrenching part is that this guy isn't old enough to be a mean cat or
anything, if he does have head trauma it was either accidental from the
mother moving him or just hideous abuse, there is a special place in hell
for animal abuser, Lee
Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f59h2u0cl0@news5.newsguy.com...
> You have a good heart...I'll never understand pet abuse...Of course
children
> are also abused as are adults...But there is something which turns in my
> stomach when it involves pets...GG
> "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> news:5dqv4vF357ru2U2@mid.individual.net...
> > sorry I have been away from the computer, see my answer to willow, I am
> > touched by your concern, Lee
> > Gary G <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:f4t2ta02ed5@news4.newsguy.com...
> >> Yes...What is the foster?...GG
> >> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> >> message news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
> >> > What's going on with the foster?
> >> >
> >> > Will~
> >> >
> >> > "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> >> you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even
> >> >> for
> > a
> >> >> brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee,
> >> >> worried
> >> >> sick
> >> >> over the newest foster
> >> >> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
> >> >>> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the
bridge!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
> >> >>> worked
> >> >>> at.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
> >> >>> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time
we
> >> >>> > all
> >> >>> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
> >> >>> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >>> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's
> > been
> >> >>> >> like 8 months already!
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> doug
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Aaaaaaaaaaaah sweet... maybe he's just deaf? that's not that bad for an
indoor cat!

You're such a great pet mommie!
Will~

"Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:5dqv4tF357ru2U1@mid.individual.net...
> He is a beautiful smart wonderfully loving animal but when we had him for
> his first vet visit DH noticed he held his head funny when walking, at
> first
> he thought it looked like my DF's cat who is very cross eyed. When the
> vet
> looked at him and examined him closer after watching him walk she
> concluded
> that he has suffered a head trauma at some point. we tried to catch this
> guy a few months ago and couldn't get close enough so it has happened in
> the
> intervening time... flash forward to a few days after the vet visit... DH
> says I think patch really has something wrong with him, he doesn't wake up
> or start when a loud noise happens like the other cats... I called to him
> and clapped my hands, nothing, DH tells me that when he goes to clean his
> box or feed him patch doesn't wake unless DH touches him.
>
> This of course means that getting him healthy taking him to a shelter is
> out
> of the question, and I was just sick because I know we really shouldn't
> keep
> him, but taking him to a shelter at worst means death and at the no kill,
> he
> still probably wouldn't get adopted... he is too a loving cat to live his
> life in a shelter, even a good one... but the good news is that my dear
> friend's son is going to adopt patch so I am no longer sick with worry
> just
> a little sad as I always am when I adopt a cat out. Lee
> Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> message
> news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
>> What's going on with the foster?
>>
>> Will~
>>
>> "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>> news:5ddp1iF2vu429U1@mid.individual.net...
>> > you will have a very wonderful welcome, to show an animal love even for
> a
>> > brief time is a gift to the animal and a blessing for you, Lee, worried
>> > sick
>> > over the newest foster
>> > Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:X5eci.3920$bP5.953@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>> >> *Thinking to self* I have a whole zoo waiting for me at the bridge!!!
>> >>
>> >> Will~ who used to try to rescue sick animals from the petstore she
> worked
>> >> at.
>> >>
>> >> "Gary G" <mrhiggins1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:f4rq610otj@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >> > At least they live in our hearts and minds forever...And in time we
> all
>> >> > meet again at the Rainbow bridge...GG
>> >> > "doug lerner" <douglerner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1181825731.296812.246720@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> Thanks, Gary. I can't believe how much I still miss Tao and it's
> been
>> >> >> like 8 months already!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> doug
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

he does seem to be walking better now, and he is at least profoundly hard of
hearing, the good news is that mike is good with this, most people want to
adopt animals like children, they only want "perfect" or not at all... for
example... when I was trying to adopt Chester so stormmee could have a
playmate there was someone ahead of me, I was heart broken... then the
shelter calls, the people ahead of me thought he had ear mites so they
refused him... well, first off he didn't have ear mites, and second if that
is a reason to reject the love of such a great animal you don't deserve any
animal, ...except one that will bite your throat out, Lee
Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in message
news:azZdi.41133$5j1.5845@newssvr21.news.prodigy.n et...
> Aaaaaaaaaaaah sweet... maybe he's just deaf? that's not that bad for an
> indoor cat!
>
> You're such a great pet mommie!
> Will~
>
> "Stormmee" <rgrass@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> news:5dqv4tF357ru2U1@mid.individual.net...
> > He is a beautiful smart wonderfully loving animal but when we had him
for
> > his first vet visit DH noticed he held his head funny when walking, at
> > first
> > he thought it looked like my DF's cat who is very cross eyed. When the
> > vet
> > looked at him and examined him closer after watching him walk she
> > concluded
> > that he has suffered a head trauma at some point. we tried to catch
this
> > guy a few months ago and couldn't get close enough so it has happened in
> > the
> > intervening time... flash forward to a few days after the vet visit...
DH
> > says I think patch really has something wrong with him, he doesn't wake
up
> > or start when a loud noise happens like the other cats... I called to
him
> > and clapped my hands, nothing, DH tells me that when he goes to clean
his
> > box or feed him patch doesn't wake unless DH touches him.
> >
> > This of course means that getting him healthy taking him to a shelter is
> > out
> > of the question, and I was just sick because I know we really shouldn't
> > keep
> > him, but taking him to a shelter at worst means death and at the no
kill,
> > he
> > still probably wouldn't get adopted... he is too a loving cat to live
his
> > life in a shelter, even a good one... but the good news is that my dear
> > friend's son is going to adopt patch so I am no longer sick with worry
> > just
> > a little sad as I always am when I adopt a cat out. Lee
> > Willow Herself <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> > message
> > news:O5oci.14535$RX.11399@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
>