Saccharin

I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early nineteen
hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without it
at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
flavorless in my opinion.

"Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
> nineteen hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes
> you fat. Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost
> without it at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise
> be pretty flavorless in my opinion.
>

The same can be said for sugar, but its been around a lot longer.

Sugar has calories. Sugar has been proven to kill. My brother had diabetes,
a sugar-related disease, and died at the age of 44 because of it.

I don't know anybody, or even know of anybody, who has died from saccharin.
It has zero calories or pretty damn close to that. There are no saccharin
related diseases of which I am aware.

There is *so*much* hype on the Internet. Don't fall for it. Pick a sweetener
or go with unsweetened. Stay away from the sugar where you can 'cause too
much of that WILL kill you.

Saccharin and Cyclamates complement each other in taste.

The studies in the 50's that showed rat bladder problems have been debunked,
as (I'm told) rat urinary systems are different than human.

Saccharin does not make you fat. The issue is safety, and the data is
uncertain.



"Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
> nineteen hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes
> you fat. Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost
> without it at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise
> be pretty flavorless in my opinion.
>

Well sorry. I just got this book out of the library by Kevin Trudeau and he
said it was poison, but on reading more of his book today it seems to be
just one bullet point after another of shocking "facts". According to him,
all of congress, the senate, the food companies, drug companies and doctors
are corrupt and in it together to make people fat and sick. lol

He's a raging alarmist. His book has already sold five million. It's a
paperback about two inches thick. Probably had to defoliate 6000 acres of
primal forest to publish it.


"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
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> Saccharin and Cyclamates complement each other in taste.
>
> The studies in the 50's that showed rat bladder problems have been
> debunked, as (I'm told) rat urinary systems are different than human.
>
> Saccharin does not make you fat. The issue is safety, and the data is
> uncertain.
>
>
>
> "Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news--dnSo6_OwiwVnbnZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
>> nineteen hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes
>> you fat. Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost
>> without it at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise
>> be pretty flavorless in my opinion.
>>
>
>

I've seen that guy figuratively torn open by many reporters. Word is, he's a
fraud. He's claimed to be an expert in many fields. About every 5-10 years,
he comes out with another jewel about how corrupt this person is, and how
they're all lying... It's all a conspiracy... just so he can pocket another
big fat check.

Greens wrote:
>Well sorry. I just got this book out of the library by Kevin Trudeau and he
>said it was poison, but on reading more of his book today it seems to be
>just one bullet point after another of shocking "facts". According to him,
>all of congress, the senate, the food companies, drug companies and doctors
>are corrupt and in it together to make people fat and sick. lol
>
>He's a raging alarmist. His book has already sold five million. It's a
>paperback about two inches thick. Probably had to defoliate 6000 acres of
>primal forest to publish it.
>
>> Saccharin and Cyclamates complement each other in taste.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>> without it at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise
>>> be pretty flavorless in my opinion.

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A quick search of the internet produced a lot of info about him. He spent a
couple years in jail for larceny. He's banned by the FTC from making
infomercials on tv. He can still peddle his bullshit in books, but only if
his books aren't selling product. He used to be an expert on memory, taught
memory courses. He's being sued by some of his students because he sells
their addresses. They say he targets people who are conspiracy minded and
prone to magical thinking. He's a genius marketer who'll do anything to make
money.

I was a little shocked that his book was in the library. I'm against book
burning, but if the guy has as bad a reputation as this guy, he shouldn't be
getting a prominent display in a public library. They used to put all the
UFO books up prominently too.

"Snarflax via WeightAdviser.com" <u36698@uwe> wrote in message
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> I've seen that guy figuratively torn open by many reporters. Word is,
> he's a
> fraud. He's claimed to be an expert in many fields. About every 5-10
> years,
> he comes out with another jewel about how corrupt this person is, and how
> they're all lying... It's all a conspiracy... just so he can pocket
> another
> big fat check.
>
> Greens wrote:
>>Well sorry. I just got this book out of the library by Kevin Trudeau and
>>he
>>said it was poison, but on reading more of his book today it seems to be
>>just one bullet point after another of shocking "facts". According to him,
>>all of congress, the senate, the food companies, drug companies and
>>doctors
>>are corrupt and in it together to make people fat and sick. lol
>>
>>He's a raging alarmist. His book has already sold five million. It's a
>>paperback about two inches thick. Probably had to defoliate 6000 acres of
>>primal forest to publish it.
>>
>>> Saccharin and Cyclamates complement each other in taste.
>>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>>> without it at this point since I put it in smoothees that would
>>>> otherwise
>>>> be pretty flavorless in my opinion.
>
> --
> Message posted via WeightAdviser.com
> http://www.weightadviser.com/Uwe/For.../diet/200708/1
>

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:21:56 -0400, Greens wrote:

> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early nineteen
> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without it
> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
> flavorless in my opinion.


Use in moderation if it's useful to you and don't worry over much
about it is my take.

Personally, there seem to be WAY too many people who are rabidly
alarmed over artificial sweeteners. Yet, where is the same indignation
when it comes to trans-fats... which really ARE proven to be harmful?

Where is the indignation over refined sugar, which is eaten to such
excess these days that children are coming down with diabetes in
rapidly growing numbers?

--
Cynthia
262/229/152

On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early nineteen
> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without it
> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
> flavorless in my opinion.

Saccharin is by far my least favorite of the big three: I like Equal
best, followed a close second by Splenda, followed way down by
saccharin. I would use Saccharin if I had health concerns about the
other two or if nothing else was available though. It just leaves a
bitter aftertaste for me. I think all three are very safe. I eat a LOT
of artificial sweetner...about 100 packs a day or equivalent if you
include the sugar free stuff I eat like diet pop and sugar-free syrup,
sugar free pudding, etc. I like my cereal, diet pop (at least 10 cups
a day) and meringues. Since I am vegetarian, I eat 10 egg whites a day
to get protein...I make a sugar-free meringue with them using 25 packs
of Splenda. Then I eat them with a little sugar free Smuckers.
Probably too much, I know, but I don't plan to change since it helped
me lose 95 pounds and keep it off. I'll be the guinea pig (gladly). If
I drop dead, I'll be sure and warn everybody.

Hooked on the stuff and loving it. dkw

On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early nineteen
> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without it
> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
> flavorless in my opinion.

Oh ya, almost forgot. Each packet of artificial sweetner has roughly 4
calories, so I am still getting about 400 cal a day from all the
sweetner. That would escalate to 3200 calories if it were sugar,
though. Since I only consume 1900 cal per day, that wouldn't work out
too well. dkw

That's interesting to know. I did have some adverse effects from big
servings of Equal. It used to be my favorite artificial sweetner. Of course
it's nothing scientific, but I thought I narrowed down my problem to equal.

<dkw12002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
>> nineteen
>> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
>> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without
>> it
>> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
>> flavorless in my opinion.
>
> Saccharin is by far my least favorite of the big three: I like Equal
> best, followed a close second by Splenda, followed way down by
> saccharin. I would use Saccharin if I had health concerns about the
> other two or if nothing else was available though. It just leaves a
> bitter aftertaste for me. I think all three are very safe. I eat a LOT
> of artificial sweetner...about 100 packs a day or equivalent if you
> include the sugar free stuff I eat like diet pop and sugar-free syrup,
> sugar free pudding, etc. I like my cereal, diet pop (at least 10 cups
> a day) and meringues. Since I am vegetarian, I eat 10 egg whites a day
> to get protein...I make a sugar-free meringue with them using 25 packs
> of Splenda. Then I eat them with a little sugar free Smuckers.
> Probably too much, I know, but I don't plan to change since it helped
> me lose 95 pounds and keep it off. I'll be the guinea pig (gladly). If
> I drop dead, I'll be sure and warn everybody.
>
> Hooked on the stuff and loving it. dkw
>

On Aug 18, 12:59 pm, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> That's interesting to know. I did have some adverse effects from big
> servings of Equal. It used to be my favorite artificial sweetner. Of course
> it's nothing scientific, but I thought I narrowed down my problem to equal.
>
> <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187385950.747349.94600@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
> >> nineteen
> >> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
> >> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without
> >> it
> >> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
> >> flavorless in my opinion.
>
> > Saccharin is by far my least favorite of the big three: I like Equal
> > best, followed a close second by Splenda, followed way down by
> > saccharin. I would use Saccharin if I had health concerns about the
> > other two or if nothing else was available though. It just leaves a
> > bitter aftertaste for me. I think all three are very safe. I eat a LOT
> > of artificial sweetner...about 100 packs a day or equivalent if you
> > include the sugar free stuff I eat like diet pop and sugar-free syrup,
> > sugar free pudding, etc. I like my cereal, diet pop (at least 10 cups
> > a day) and meringues. Since I am vegetarian, I eat 10 egg whites a day
> > to get protein...I make a sugar-free meringue with them using 25 packs
> > of Splenda. Then I eat them with a little sugar free Smuckers.
> > Probably too much, I know, but I don't plan to change since it helped
> > me lose 95 pounds and keep it off. I'll be the guinea pig (gladly). If
> > I drop dead, I'll be sure and warn everybody.
>
> > Hooked on the stuff and loving it. dkw- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, it's fairly easy to avoid aspartame if that is the problem.
Thank goodness the others taste good with no side effects. Splenda
carries a warning about possible diarrhea if you eat way to much.

Amazing how difficult it was to find out that Splenda has 4 cal per
packet. Of course since it is under 5 they round it off to zero.
Probably if they labeled their product as containing 4 calories, some
people would use another product. I tried emailing the company several
times before they finally wrote back to explain the facts and they
were defensive about the fact that there are calories in their
product. Since they also sell granular Splenda that measure like
sugar, some people use a lot of it in baking and the calories do
become significant. There again, they list the serving size as 1
teaspoon and list the calories as 0, but there are actually 4 calories
per teaspoon for the granular type. ( The granular type and packet
type do not measure the same. They are different mixtures, so one
teaspoon of the packet Splenda would be more like 12 calories. Equal
is also 4 cal per packet and Saccharin is closer to 3 cal/pack. dkw

<dkw12002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
>> nineteen
>> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
>> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without
>> it
>> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
>> flavorless in my opinion.
>
> Oh ya, almost forgot. Each packet of artificial sweetner has roughly 4
> calories, so I am still getting about 400 cal a day from all the
> sweetner. That would escalate to 3200 calories if it were sugar,
> though. Since I only consume 1900 cal per day, that wouldn't work out
> too well. dkw
>

Have you tried the tablets? Each tablet weighs something like 0.05g -- no
room for calories in there!

On Aug 20, 12:58 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187386227.857412.272690@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
> >> nineteen
> >> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you fat.
> >> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost without
> >> it
> >> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be pretty
> >> flavorless in my opinion.
>
> > Oh ya, almost forgot. Each packet of artificial sweetner has roughly 4
> > calories, so I am still getting about 400 cal a day from all the
> > sweetner. That would escalate to 3200 calories if it were sugar,
> > though. Since I only consume 1900 cal per day, that wouldn't work out
> > too well. dkw
>
> Have you tried the tablets? Each tablet weighs something like 0.05g -- no
> room for calories in there!

Yes, but not for a long time. What I recall is not dissolving the
little buggar well enough and catching a bitter taste. As I recall
they are tiny. They also make liquid drops so you can get just the
right amount without guessing. I'm sure those have only fractional
calories too per drop. If I liked saccharin, I think I'd use the drops
at home. dkw

<dkw12002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 20, 12:58 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
>> <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187386227.857412.272690@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> >> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
>> >> nineteen
>> >> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you
>> >> fat.
>> >> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost
>> >> without
>> >> it
>> >> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be
>> >> pretty
>> >> flavorless in my opinion.
>>
>> > Oh ya, almost forgot. Each packet of artificial sweetner has roughly 4
>> > calories, so I am still getting about 400 cal a day from all the
>> > sweetner. That would escalate to 3200 calories if it were sugar,
>> > though. Since I only consume 1900 cal per day, that wouldn't work out
>> > too well. dkw
>>
>> Have you tried the tablets? Each tablet weighs something like 0.05g -- no
>> room for calories in there!
>
> Yes, but not for a long time. What I recall is not dissolving the
> little buggar well enough and catching a bitter taste. As I recall
> they are tiny. They also make liquid drops so you can get just the
> right amount without guessing. I'm sure those have only fractional
> calories too per drop. If I liked saccharin, I think I'd use the drops
> at home. dkw
>

I bought some equal tablets for a lc desert I want to make. Its a cold
desert, made in a blender, so I'll crush the tabs first. I dunno -- I'm not
much of a cook. Experimental. If it works, I'll post my little recipe to the
lc group. Otherwise I'll just keep my mouth shut ;p

On Aug 20, 7:10 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187659167.826579.145640@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 12:58 pm, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
> >> <dkw12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1187386227.857412.272690@g4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> > On Aug 16, 7:21 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >> >> I've heard it both ways. Saccharin has been in use since the early
> >> >> nineteen
> >> >> hundreds with no problems and saccharin is a poison that makes you
> >> >> fat.
> >> >> Anyone have an opinion on this artificial sweetner? I'd be lost
> >> >> without
> >> >> it
> >> >> at this point since I put it in smoothees that would otherwise be
> >> >> pretty
> >> >> flavorless in my opinion.
>
> >> > Oh ya, almost forgot. Each packet of artificial sweetner has roughly 4
> >> > calories, so I am still getting about 400 cal a day from all the
> >> > sweetner. That would escalate to 3200 calories if it were sugar,
> >> > though. Since I only consume 1900 cal per day, that wouldn't work out
> >> > too well. dkw
>
> >> Have you tried the tablets? Each tablet weighs something like 0.05g -- no
> >> room for calories in there!
>
> > Yes, but not for a long time. What I recall is not dissolving the
> > little buggar well enough and catching a bitter taste. As I recall
> > they are tiny. They also make liquid drops so you can get just the
> > right amount without guessing. I'm sure those have only fractional
> > calories too per drop. If I liked saccharin, I think I'd use the drops
> > at home. dkw
>
> I bought some equal tablets for a lc desert I want to make. Its a cold
> desert, made in a blender, so I'll crush the tabs first. I dunno -- I'm not
> much of a cook. Experimental. If it works, I'll post my little recipe to the
> lc group. Otherwise I'll just keep my mouth shut ;p- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I didn't even realize Equal came as tablets. I've only ever seen it in
the blue packets. My bank, YMCA, McDonalds, Bookstore and several
restaurants all serve coffee which I drink...and they also have Equal
and/or Splenda out so I always take 3 or 4 packets even though I don't
use it in coffee. When I buy it, I buy the generic stuff at Walmart,
where it is 3 cents for Splenda substitute, 2 cents for Equal
substitute and 1 cent per pack for the Sweet n Low substitute. Because
I bake Meringues, I buy Splenda...cause I don't like the taste of
Saccharin which is OK to heat along with Splenda, but they warn that
Equal breaks down at high heat, so I don't cook with it. I do use it
on almost everything else though. dkw