Secrets of the formerly fat

Secrets of the formerly fat
FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
you meet your goal.
By Jack Cox
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
Article Created:01/13/2007 09:01:16 AM MST

As anyone who has done the yo-yo thing will tell you, the only thing harder
than losing weight is keeping it off.

But the pattern of loss followed by gain is hardly inevitable, says obesity
researcher James O. Hill, co-founder of a national registry of more than
6,000 people who have lost an average of 70 pounds and kept it off an
average of six years.

"There is little similarity in how they lost weight, but great similarity
in how they are maintaining their weight," says Hill, who is director of
the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health
Sciences Center.

These successful losers, most of them middle- aged white women, tend to
share several patterns of behavior, ranging from eating breakfast daily to
watching very little television (detailed list at right).

Hill says that many people who regain weight had tended to ignore one
factor - the "energy gap" that a large weight loss creates.

"When you lose weight, your energy requirement goes down," he explains. "If
you are a 220-pound person and you drop to 180 pounds, for example, your
body needs 320 calories less per day. That's a lot less. You just can't go
back to the lifestyle you lived before."

To burn 320 calories by walking, Hill notes, a person must take 6,400
steps. Interestingly, that is almost exactly the difference between the
11,000 steps taken each day by the average member of the weight-

loss registry and the 5,300 steps taken by the average person who comes to
Hill's weight-loss clinic for treatment.

The National Weight Control Registry (nwcr.ws), established in 1993, is
open to individuals 18 and older who have lost at least 30 pounds and
maintained that loss for at least one year. Signups are free, and names are
kept confidential.

Besides similar weight-control strategies, Hill says, many of the
registrants have similar backgrounds. Two-thirds were overweight as
children, and about the same number had at least one parent who was
overweight.

"What's amazing," he observes, "is how many of these people change careers
to reflect their new interest in food and nutrition. They become
dietitians. They become personal trainers. They change their friends and
their social lives. To sustain weight loss requires large behavioral
changes. They've essentially changed their environment."

Staff writer Jack Cox can be reached at 303-954-1785 or
jcox@denverpost.com.


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1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have lunch
and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go to bed,
"these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity researcher Jame O. Hill
says. "Calories ingested in the morning have a greater satiating effect
than calories eaten later in the day."


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2. They make friends with the scale.

"These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
pounds.


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3. They keep moving.

"Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the registry
found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical activity per day,
with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent combining walking with

cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away, and 14
percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile, 9 percent
"do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet alone.


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4. They stick to their eating plan.

Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per day
over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total derived from
fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical American diet. Also,
their eating habits are consistent from day to day - they don't take
"holidays" when anything goes.


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5. They stay away from the tube.

The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" - about 10
hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or so. Presumably,
they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to be physically active
during the nonwatching hours.

On 15 Jan 2007 11:37:47 -0000, exzuberances@yahoo.com (exzuberance)
wrote:

Peddle your papers elsewhere you useless waste of skin.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones

exzuberance wrote:

> Secrets of the formerly fat
> FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can
> help you meet your goal.
> By Jack Cox
> Denver Post Staff Writer
> DenverPost.com
> Article Created:01/13/2007 09:01:16 AM MST
>
> As anyone who has done the yo-yo thing will tell you, the only thing
> harder than losing weight is keeping it off.
>
> But the pattern of loss followed by gain is hardly inevitable, says
> obesity researcher James O. Hill, co-founder of a national registry
> of more than 6,000 people who have lost an average of 70 pounds and
> kept it off an average of six years.
>
> "There is little similarity in how they lost weight, but great
> similarity in how they are maintaining their weight," says Hill, who
> is director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of
> Colorado Health Sciences Center.
>
> These successful losers, most of them middle- aged white women, tend
> to share several patterns of behavior, ranging from eating breakfast
> daily to watching very little television (detailed list at right).
>
> Hill says that many people who regain weight had tended to ignore one
> factor - the "energy gap" that a large weight loss creates.
>
> "When you lose weight, your energy requirement goes down," he
> explains. "If you are a 220-pound person and you drop to 180 pounds,
> for example, your body needs 320 calories less per day. That's a lot
> less. You just can't go back to the lifestyle you lived before."
>
> To burn 320 calories by walking, Hill notes, a person must take 6,400
> steps. Interestingly, that is almost exactly the difference between
> the 11,000 steps taken each day by the average member of the weight-
>
> loss registry and the 5,300 steps taken by the average person who
> comes to Hill's weight-loss clinic for treatment.
>
> The National Weight Control Registry (nwcr.ws), established in 1993,
> is open to individuals 18 and older who have lost at least 30 pounds
> and maintained that loss for at least one year. Signups are free, and
> names are kept confidential.
>
> Besides similar weight-control strategies, Hill says, many of the
> registrants have similar backgrounds. Two-thirds were overweight as
> children, and about the same number had at least one parent who was
> overweight.
>
> "What's amazing," he observes, "is how many of these people change
> careers to reflect their new interest in food and nutrition. They
> become dietitians. They become personal trainers. They change their
> friends and their social lives. To sustain weight loss requires large
> behavioral changes. They've essentially changed their environment."
>
> Staff writer Jack Cox can be reached at 303-954-1785 or
> jcox@denverpost.com.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have
> lunch and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go
> to bed, "these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity
> researcher Jame O. Hill says. "Calories ingested in the morning have
> a greater satiating effect than calories eaten later in the day."
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2. They make friends with the scale.
>
> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a
> scale weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them
> to catch weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to
> get back on track as soon as they see their target number go up more
> than 2 or 3 pounds.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3. They keep moving.
>
> "Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the
> registry found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical
> activity per day, with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent
> combining walking with
>
> cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away,
> and 14 percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile,
> 9 percent "do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet
> alone.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>
> 4. They stick to their eating plan.
>
> Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per
> day over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total
> derived from fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical
> American diet. Also, their eating habits are consistent from day to
> day - they don't take "holidays" when anything goes.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 5. They stay away from the tube.
>
> The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" -
> about 10 hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or
> so. Presumably, they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to
> be physically active during the nonwatching hours.
>

That's an excellent article.

I like the one about the scale . I weight myself first thing in the
morning, every morning. I was succesful at doing everything in the
article for several months until I stopped monitoring myself. If I go
beyond a certain number of pounds, I look at what and how much I ate in
the previous days.


exzuberance wrote:

>
> 2. They make friends with the scale.
>
> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
> weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
> weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
> track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
> pounds.

I like the one about the . I weight myself first thing in the morning,
every morning. I was succesful at doing everything in the article for
several months until I stopped monitoring myself. If I go beyond a
certain number of pounds, I look at what and how much I ate in the
previous days.


exzuberance wrote:

>
> 2. They make friends with the scale.
>
> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
> weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
> weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
> track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
> pounds.

exzuberance wrote:
> Secrets of the formerly fat
> FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
> you meet your goal.
> By Jack Cox
> Denver Post Staff Writer
> DenverPost.com
> Article Created:01/13/2007 09:01:16 AM MST
>
> As anyone who has done the yo-yo thing will tell you, the only thing harder
> than losing weight is keeping it off.
>
> But the pattern of loss followed by gain is hardly inevitable, says obesity
> researcher James O. Hill, co-founder of a national registry of more than
> 6,000 people who have lost an average of 70 pounds and kept it off an
> average of six years.
>
> "There is little similarity in how they lost weight, but great similarity
> in how they are maintaining their weight," says Hill, who is director of
> the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health
> Sciences Center.
>
> These successful losers, most of them middle- aged white women, tend to
> share several patterns of behavior, ranging from eating breakfast daily to
> watching very little television (detailed list at right).
>
> Hill says that many people who regain weight had tended to ignore one
> factor - the "energy gap" that a large weight loss creates.
>
> "When you lose weight, your energy requirement goes down," he explains. "If
> you are a 220-pound person and you drop to 180 pounds, for example, your
> body needs 320 calories less per day. That's a lot less. You just can't go
> back to the lifestyle you lived before."
>
> To burn 320 calories by walking, Hill notes, a person must take 6,400
> steps. Interestingly, that is almost exactly the difference between the
> 11,000 steps taken each day by the average member of the weight-
>
> loss registry and the 5,300 steps taken by the average person who comes to
> Hill's weight-loss clinic for treatment.
>
> The National Weight Control Registry (nwcr.ws), established in 1993, is
> open to individuals 18 and older who have lost at least 30 pounds and
> maintained that loss for at least one year. Signups are free, and names are
> kept confidential.
>
> Besides similar weight-control strategies, Hill says, many of the
> registrants have similar backgrounds. Two-thirds were overweight as
> children, and about the same number had at least one parent who was
> overweight.
>
> "What's amazing," he observes, "is how many of these people change careers
> to reflect their new interest in food and nutrition. They become
> dietitians. They become personal trainers. They change their friends and
> their social lives. To sustain weight loss requires large behavioral
> changes. They've essentially changed their environment."
>
> Staff writer Jack Cox can be reached at 303-954-1785 or
> jcox@denverpost.com.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have lunch
> and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go to bed,
> "these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity researcher Jame O. Hill
> says. "Calories ingested in the morning have a greater satiating effect
> than calories eaten later in the day."
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2. They make friends with the scale.
>
> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
> weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
> weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
> track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
> pounds.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3. They keep moving.
>
> "Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the registry
> found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical activity per day,
> with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent combining walking with
>
> cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away, and 14
> percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile, 9 percent
> "do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet alone.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4. They stick to their eating plan.
>
> Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per day
> over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total derived from
> fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical American diet. Also,
> their eating habits are consistent from day to day - they don't take
> "holidays" when anything goes.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 5. They stay away from the tube.
>
> The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" - about 10
> hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or so. Presumably,
> they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to be physically active
> during the nonwatching hours.

James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
Denver. Member of the advisory board of the American Council for
Fitness & Nutrition, (http://www.acfn.org/a4/; accessed 8/22/06) a
non-profit organization with over 100 corporate members. Co-chair of
the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods Foundation.
(http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed 7/25/05) Member,
Blue ribbon advisory board on health and wellness, PepsiCo.
(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...ns/121304.pdf;
accessed 5/31/05) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory
Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/p...003/05212003/;
accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090.)
Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories.
(J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31.) Member of the Foodfit.com
advisory board. (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
accessed 11/11/00) Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the
Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity,
calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded
by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Lead author
of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am J
Clin Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85.) Co-wrote a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and weight management." Research on the effects of
covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food
intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am J Clin Nutr.
1998;67:1178-85.)

**

This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
shilling for industry groups.

TC

As usual, making a tempest in a teapot. Read the steps and tell us
where the information you provided following has anything to do with it.

>> Secrets of the formerly fat
>> FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
>> you meet your goal.

snip

>> 1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have lunch
>> and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go to bed,
>> "these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity researcher Jame O. Hill
>> says. "Calories ingested in the morning have a greater satiating effect
>> than calories eaten later in the day."
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 2. They make friends with the scale.
>>
>> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
>> weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
>> weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
>> track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
>> pounds.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 3. They keep moving.
>>
>> "Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the registry
>> found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical activity per day,
>> with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent combining walking with
>>
>> cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away, and 14
>> percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile, 9 percent
>> "do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet alone.
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 4. They stick to their eating plan.
>>
>> Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per day
>> over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total derived from
>> fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical American diet. Also,
>> their eating habits are consistent from day to day - they don't take
>> "holidays" when anything goes.
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 5. They stay away from the tube.
>>
>> The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" - about 10
>> hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or so. Presumably,
>> they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to be physically active
>> during the nonwatching hours.
>
>James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
>Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
>Denver. Member of the advisory board of the American Council for
>Fitness & Nutrition, (http://www.acfn.org/a4/; accessed 8/22/06) a
>non-profit organization with over 100 corporate members. Co-chair of
>the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods Foundation.
>(http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed 7/25/05) Member,
>Blue ribbon advisory board on health and wellness, PepsiCo.
>(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...tions/121304.p
>df;
>accessed 5/31/05) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory
>Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
>activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
>(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/p...003/05212003/;
>accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
>Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
>Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
>research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090.)
>Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories.
>(J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31.) Member of the Foodfit.com
>advisory board. (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
>accessed 11/11/00) Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the
>Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity,
>calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
>http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
>the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
>Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
>CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded
>by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Lead author
>of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am J
>Clin Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85.) Co-wrote a 1998 report for ILSI on
>"Carbohydrates and weight management." Research on the effects of
>covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food
>intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am J Clin Nutr.
>1998;67:1178-85.)
>
>**
>
>This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
>shilling for industry groups.
>
>TC

capmack@shipper.com wrote:
> As usual, making a tempest in a teapot. Read the steps and tell us
> where the information you provided following has anything to do with it.

Read what I posted about Jimbo O Hill and tell me how he isn't an
industry shill like you.

TC

>
> >> Secrets of the formerly fat
> >> FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
> >> you meet your goal.
>
> snip
>
> >> 1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have lunch
> >> and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go to bed,
> >> "these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity researcher Jame O. Hill
> >> says. "Calories ingested in the morning have a greater satiating effect
> >> than calories eaten later in the day."
> >>
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> 2. They make friends with the scale.
> >>
> >> "These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
> >> weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
> >> weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
> >> track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
> >> pounds.
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> 3. They keep moving.
> >>
> >> "Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the registry
> >> found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical activity per day,
> >> with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent combining walking with
> >>
> >> cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away, and 14
> >> percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile, 9 percent
> >> "do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet alone.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> 4. They stick to their eating plan.
> >>
> >> Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per day
> >> over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total derived from
> >> fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical American diet. Also,
> >> their eating habits are consistent from day to day - they don't take
> >> "holidays" when anything goes.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> 5. They stay away from the tube.
> >>
> >> The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" - about 10
> >> hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or so. Presumably,
> >> they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to be physically active
> >> during the nonwatching hours.
> >
> >James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
> >Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
> >Denver. Member of the advisory board of the American Council for
> >Fitness & Nutrition, (http://www.acfn.org/a4/; accessed 8/22/06) a
> >non-profit organization with over 100 corporate members. Co-chair of
> >the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods Foundation.
> >(http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed 7/25/05) Member,
> >Blue ribbon advisory board on health and wellness, PepsiCo.
> >(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...tions/121304.p
> >df;
> >accessed 5/31/05) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory
> >Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
> >activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
> >(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/p...003/05212003/;
> >accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
> >Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
> >Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
> >research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090.)
> >Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories.
> >(J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31.) Member of the Foodfit.com
> >advisory board. (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
> >accessed 11/11/00) Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the
> >Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity,
> >calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
> >http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
> >the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
> >Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
> >CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded
> >by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Lead author
> >of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am J
> >Clin Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85.) Co-wrote a 1998 report for ILSI on
> >"Carbohydrates and weight management." Research on the effects of
> >covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food
> >intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am J Clin Nutr.
> >1998;67:1178-85.)
> >
> >**
> >
> >This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
> >shilling for industry groups.
> >
> >TC

capmack@shipper.com wrote:
> As usual, making a tempest in a teapot. Read the steps and tell us
> where the information you provided following has anything to do with it.
>

Thunderbar wrote:>>
>>This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
>>shilling for industry groups.
>>
>>TC



Thunderbar is just interested in DISSing academics and educated folks.

You could ignore him and almost never miss a thing of substance.





>
>>>Secrets of the formerly fat
>>>FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
>>>you meet your goal.
>
>
> snip
>
>
>>>1. They eat breakfast. Unlike fat people, who skip breakfast, have lunch
>>>and then eat virtually non-stop from about 4 p.m. until they go to bed,
>>>"these people almost never skip breakfast," obesity researcher Jame O. Hill
>>>says. "Calories ingested in the morning have a greater satiating effect
>>>than calories eaten later in the day."
>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>2. They make friends with the scale.
>>>
>>>"These people use scales a lot," Hill says. "Almost all of them use a scale
>>>weekly, and some use it daily." Such regular checks enable them to catch
>>>weight regain early on, he says, so they can take action to get back on
>>>track as soon as they see their target number go up more than 2 or 3
>>>pounds.
>>>
>>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>3. They keep moving.
>>>
>>>"Walking is huge," Hill reports. A survey of participants in the registry
>>>found that on average, they get 60 minutes of physical activity per day,
>>>with 28 percent mostly walking, 49 percent combining walking with
>>>
>>>cycling, aerobics or lifestyle changes such as parking farther away, and 14
>>>percent mainly doing activities other than walking. Meanwhile, 9 percent
>>>"do nothing" - i.e. they control their weight through diet alone.
>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>4. They stick to their eating plan.
>>>
>>>Most successful losers report consuming 1,300 to 1,400 calories per day
>>>over the long term, with only about 25 percent of the total derived from
>>>fat, compared to 30 percent or more in the typical American diet. Also,
>>>their eating habits are consistent from day to day - they don't take
>>>"holidays" when anything goes.
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>5. They stay away from the tube.
>>>
>>>The formerly fat "watch much less TV than the national average" - about 10
>>>hours a week, or less than half of the typical 28 hours or so. Presumably,
>>>they're less likely to be snacking and more likely to be physically active
>>>during the nonwatching hours.
>>
>>James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
>>Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
>>Denver. Member of the advisory board of the American Council for
>>Fitness & Nutrition, (http://www.acfn.org/a4/; accessed 8/22/06) a
>>non-profit organization with over 100 corporate members. Co-chair of
>>the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods Foundation.
>>(http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed 7/25/05) Member,
>>Blue ribbon advisory board on health and wellness, PepsiCo.
>>(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...tions/121304.p
>>df;
>>accessed 5/31/05) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory
>>Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
>>activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
>>(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/p...003/05212003/;
>>accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
>>Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
>>Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
>>research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090.)
>>Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories.
>>(J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31.) Member of the Foodfit.com
>>advisory board. (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
>>accessed 11/11/00) Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the
>>Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity,
>>calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
>>http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
>>the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
>>Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
>>CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded
>>by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Lead author
>>of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am J
>>Clin Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85.) Co-wrote a 1998 report for ILSI on
>>"Carbohydrates and weight management." Research on the effects of
>>covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food
>>intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am J Clin Nutr.
>>1998;67:1178-85.)
>>
>>**
>>
>>This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
>>shilling for industry groups.
>>
>>TC



Thunderbar is just interested in DISSing academics and educated folks.

You could ignore him and almost never miss a thing of substance.

"Read what I posted about Jimbo O Hill and tell me how he isn't an
industry shill like you."

Ah, unable to answer, I accept your response as such. All such "are you
still beating your wife" nonsense is bound to backfire.

capmack@shipper.com wrote:
> As usual, making a tempest in a teapot. Read the steps and tell us
> where the information you provided following has anything to do with it.


I appreciated the expose. The journalist should have disclosed some of
that information himself. As is, the article made the "researcher"
sound like some Ivory Tower academic who just happened to be interested
in weight loss as a matter of epistemological avocation -- not, it
turns out, a paid mouth-piece for big food companies.

Doesn't change the facts presented in the article about weight loss --
but it does change my perception of the article's principals: namely,
the author and the interviewee.

capmack@shipper.com wrote:
> "Read what I posted about Jimbo O Hill and tell me how he isn't an
> industry shill like you."
>
> Ah, unable to answer, I accept your response as such. All such "are you
> still beating your wife" nonsense is bound to backfire.

Is Jimbo an industry shill or not? Are you an industry shill or not?
Two simple "yes"'s will suffice. Or a yes and a no, or two no's. It
isn't harder than that. Now are you going to answer or evade.
Hmmmm..... let me guess....... evade, because to say no would be lying
outright and saying yes would be admitting to the subterfuge.

TC

tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
> exzuberance wrote:
> > Secrets of the formerly fat
> > FIVE STEPS | For keeping off those pounds long-term, these rules can help
> > you meet your goal.
> > By Jack Cox
> > Denver Post Staff Writer
> > DenverPost.com
> > Article Created:01/13/2007 09:01:16 AM MST
> >
> > As anyone who has done the yo-yo thing will tell you, the only thing harder
> > than losing weight is keeping it off.
> >
> > But the pattern of loss followed by gain is hardly inevitable, says obesity
> > researcher James O. Hill, co-founder of a national registry of more than
> > 6,000 people who have lost an average of 70 pounds and kept it off an
> > average of six years.
.... article cut for shortness sake.

> James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
> Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
> Denver. Member of the advisory board of the American Council for
> Fitness & Nutrition, (http://www.acfn.org/a4/; accessed 8/22/06) a
> non-profit organization with over 100 corporate members. Co-chair of
> the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods Foundation.
> (http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed 7/25/05)
....Full Expose of Jim Hill's ties to various pharma and processed food
concerns cut, again brevity.

***
> This guy is not interested in helping people lose weight. He is just
> shilling for industry groups.

So, let's examine the methodology to see if we can find the flaw. We
have an unbalanced sample, since they self-select and must be internet
users. But, ostensibly, all subjects have lost at least 30 lbs and have
maintained this loss for 365.25 days. They log in, take the survey on
how they've done it, etc. There is a flaw in that there may be
something not captured in the survey that they are doing. There is
another possible flaw, in that co-incidence doesn't prove causality.
Just because they are diligent and kicked the TV habit doesn't mean
that these were important to weight maintenance. Lastly, because the
NWR is an ongoing study and they continue to publish results, the
recommendations from the first report may influence the habits of
future participants, which might skew the data. Simple explanation: You
are a dieter (like me) who has lost 30 lbs (like me) and you are
wondering how to keep it off. You read about nutrition and subscribe to
some newsgroups, and you come across the NWR. You get their
recommendations and when you get to goal, you figure "This worked for
some folks" so why not me. I adopt what the first series have done,
definitely register at NWR, and next thing you know, instead of finding
a novel approach, a better approach, or simply an alternative approach,
I am just another one of the "majority finding," weighing everyday,
cutting my cable, looking at less internet and walking 11K steps a day
(wow, this sounds a lot like losing the weight, actually).

Unless the recommendations are like, "get 5 servings of Pepsi" and
"Take Magic Pill X," I don't see a lot of "industry bias." And four of
the five are pretty straight forward: Eat Breakfast, Monitor your
weight frequently, some exercise, and they turn off the TV (I suspect
if most Americans ate good breakfasts, got on the scale a lot, took 11K
steps and worked out a little and killed their TV, we'd have something
like an obesity problem rather than an obesity crisis or epidemic). The
last one, where they stick to their plans, on the surface is completely
in line with what EVERY LC AUTHOR tells you to do.... do it forever.
Sure, the majority of folks in NWR got there with LF/LCal diets, so low
cal is the maintenance program, and fat avoidance the watchword. But,
let's say I get to next December 10th (first week I weighed 30 lbs
under my start) and have kept it (and the 7 more since, and the rest of
it as well) off. I don't think I'm gonna go back to eating popeye's and
vinegar chips. That's not in the plan, it's not the rules of the diet
(if you "maintain" with daily potato chips, you aren't doing Atkins).

I have digressed pretty far, but the thing is this: Sure, Jim Hill has
a pretty complex set of financial ties to the food, beverage and pharma
industries. But there's nothing in the NWR finding that shows bias from
any of those. Reduced calories don't help his clients. Less TV means
less Ad exposure, so no help for industry clients there either. Unless
he has ties to the scale industry or the pedometer industry, I just
don't see the bias that you assume must be there. If you have a
specific objection to the finding, that you believe displays the bias,
please share. I'd be curious to know. Otherwise, you are just spreading
paranoia and conspiracy fantasy and doing a service to no one.

-Hollywood, who suggests that co-incidence doesn't prove causality, in
research data or in research conclusions.