Two Week Induction Results

jackiepatti@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 3, 3:02 pm, BlueBrooke <.@.> wrote:
>
>
>>Boy, can I related to that. There was a big "ding! ding! ding!" going
>>off in my head as I read it. I didn't consciously realize it until I
>>read your statement, but I *did* take a snack to bed with me that was
>>guaranteed to make me drousy and sleepy.
>
>
> I think some people who have different metabolisms from us don't
> experience this. I have a friend who just won't believe that I've
> used food as a drug. I don't think he gets the same reaction to carbs
> as I do, so he thinks I'm exaggerating.


I used to have several friends like that. They could only understand
others in terms of themselves.



I was very happy to see each and every one of them move away to "find a
better bunch of people and a better community".



>
> But it's why "portion control" of carby foods does not work for me. I
> can't eat a reasonable serving of potatoes anymore than an alcoholic
> can drink a reasonable amount of beer. I can eat insane piles of
> potatoes or none.
>
> It's also why I think of induction as a withdrawal process. It's
> always felt like that to me... days of feeling crappy, headachy, and
> half-ill with massive cravings, and then suddenly it's over and I feel
> good again.
>
> For me, if I've gone off plan and need to get back on, it takes a
> degree of determination and willpower to get through induction.
>
> But it takes much, much less willpower to just *stay* low-carb in the
> first place. Temptation is minor and fleeting when my bg is
> controlled.
>

I still screw up occasionally, and perhaps deliberately. It isn't
really rational that I would go off on a carby binge..... but I do every
once in a while.

Jim

<jackiepatti@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The whole leptin thing is discussed in some of Lyle Mcdonald's newer
> books.

Lyle Mcdonald. I haven't heard that name in ages. He had some nutty gf &
after their breakup they tore each other apart on the various newsgroups.
Something like that -- can't quite rememeber.

Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own stupidity.
Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your marriage, alcohol,
run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if you're suffering from the
problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.

The concept of the "planned cheat meal" just blows me away. How can somebody
seriously be trying to lose weight and build "cheats" into their diet?
That's like an alcoholic saying, "I'm on the wagon for good, except Friday
nights."

In any event, its going on three weeks of low-carb here and no problems yet.
Its looking like this week's going to be break-even on the weight, which is
expected. We'll see though. I'll clean my ears on Sunday, shave extra close,
pop all my pimples, get a haircut, lob off a couple of my extra toes & see
if I lose at least a little.

"em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
>
> Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
> caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own stupidity.
> Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your marriage, alcohol,
> run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if you're suffering from the
> problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.
>
> The concept of the "planned cheat meal" just blows me away. How can somebody
> seriously be trying to lose weight and build "cheats" into their diet?

Combine not having addictive behavior patterns, or worse not
knowing or believing you have them, with viewing your diet as
a fad diet where more extreme means more success.

Those folks who want to do nothing but Induction and then wonder
at why it eventually stops working (and how refuse to look at how
none of the books say to do that and at thyroid T3 release studies)
are also folks who are being extreme enough to feel deprived. So
the choice ends up being crash and burn out, or do an occasional
planned cheat meal. A planned cheat meal basically ignores all
popular plans and the principles taught on ASDLC. But the bad
part is a planned cheat meal generally does a leptin reset and so
lots of people see a whoosh shortly after a cheat. This sets up
a terrible feedback loop of extremism alternating with cheats.

> That's like an alcoholic saying, "I'm on the wagon for good, except Friday
> nights."

For folks who don't accept that addictive behavior happens. Check.
But I'm not an addict! Like bleep I'm not ...

> In any event, its going on three weeks of low-carb here and no problems yet.
> Its looking like this week's going to be break-even on the weight, which is
> expected.

Yup.

> We'll see though. I'll clean my ears on Sunday, shave extra close,
> pop all my pimples, get a haircut, lob off a couple of my extra toes & see
> if I lose at least a little.

Chortle. BTDTgtTS. But at least the tee-shirt is a size smaller than
when I first started. ;^)

em wrote in message ...
>
><jackiepatti@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1186097008.109963.296580@d30g2000prg.googleg roups.com...
>> The whole leptin thing is discussed in some of Lyle Mcdonald's
newer
>> books.
>
>Lyle Mcdonald. I haven't heard that name in ages. He had some nutty
gf &
>after their breakup they tore each other apart on the various
newsgroups.
>Something like that -- can't quite rememeber.


I don't remember her being nutty at all. She knew a heck of lot about
LC, weight training, and was a lot of fun. I never saw them tear each
other apart either, at least that I can recall. Are you sure you're
not thinking about a Canadian poster? :-)

Cheri

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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>
> em wrote in message ...
>>
>><jackiepatti@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1186097008.109963.296580@d30g2000prg.google groups.com...
>>> The whole leptin thing is discussed in some of Lyle Mcdonald's
> newer
>>> books.
>>
>>Lyle Mcdonald. I haven't heard that name in ages. He had some nutty
> gf &
>>after their breakup they tore each other apart on the various
> newsgroups.
>>Something like that -- can't quite rememeber.
>
>
> I don't remember her being nutty at all. She knew a heck of lot about
> LC, weight training, and was a lot of fun. I never saw them tear each
> other apart either, at least that I can recall. Are you sure you're
> not thinking about a Canadian poster? :-)

"The slack mistress", something like that.

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On Aug 4, 11:04 am, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:

> "The slack mistress", something like that.

Her name is Nina. She taught me how to lift weights, and even though
I haven't seen her in several years, she's a lovely human being who
gave freely of her time and expertise.

Myra

"Myra" <myra.p.s@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 4, 11:04 am, "em" <i...@dun.no> wrote:
>
>> "The slack mistress", something like that.
>
> Her name is Nina. She taught me how to lift weights, and even though
> I haven't seen her in several years, she's a lovely human being who
> gave freely of her time and expertise.

Hey, any friend of Myra's is a friend of mine ;-)

I remember not caring too much for her, but its been years & there's no
grudge or anything. I hope she's doing well. Maybe her and Lyle are married
or whatever & that's cool!

em wrote:
> Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
> caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own stupidity.
> Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your marriage, alcohol,
> run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if you're suffering from
> the problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.

I call it an addictive personality. I've never been drunk, but if I have one
drink I wake up the next morning and think "Wouldn't a drink be nice about now?"
I've done it with caffiene, food, TV, books, all manner of things that are bad
for you in excess.

Before I got pregnant I had managed to get addicted to lifting weights. I'd wake
up in the morning and think "I get to lift today!". I'd have cravings to hit the
gym.. just for a few minutes. It was great and the weight dropped right off.
When I was pregnant they told me I had to stop lifting, and then I had to eat
more carbs because I wasn't gaining weight during pregnancy, and then I was
ravenous all the time while nursing.. Bleh.

Now I'm trying to get over that initial lifting hump and regain my weightlifting
addiction. It was much healthier for me than a newsgroup addiction. And I didn't
really fall victim to overdoing the exercise because I could just direct my
compulsion to better form or add a different form to learn.

> The concept of the "planned cheat meal" just blows me away. How can
> somebody seriously be trying to lose weight and build "cheats" into
> their diet? That's like an alcoholic saying, "I'm on the wagon for good,
> except Friday nights."

Heh, I made some kind of "coconut bark" yesterday - cocoa powder, coconut oil
and splenda. Wayyyyy too sweet for me, even with half the splenda the recipe
called for and remarkably unsatisfying. I craved real chocolate most of the
afternoon. I don't think that a "cheat meal" is in the cards for me anytime
soon. None of the foods I've tasted in the past are worth a miserable afternoon
to me.

"Dawn" <dawn@no.email.here.com> wrote in message
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> em wrote:
>> Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
>> caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own stupidity.
>> Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your marriage, alcohol,
>> run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if you're suffering from
>> the problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.
>
> I call it an addictive personality. I've never been drunk, but if I have
> one drink I wake up the next morning and think "Wouldn't a drink be nice
> about now?" I've done it with caffiene, food, TV, books, all manner of
> things that are bad for you in excess.

I hate dealing with words like "addicted". Its a simple word, it means "a
person can't/doesn't/won't stop doing something". But then there's the
victems and the underprivledged and the angry people who are mad because
they're addicts and don't want to deal with it, and then there are the
recovering addicts who get pissed off because people use the word addict but
really mean victem, and then there are all those people who make the excuse,
"I'm addicted".

When I pick up a good book at night to read before I go to bed, I can't set
it down. I'm not a victem. Nobodys fault but mine. I'm not a book-a-holoc. I
don't need welfare, free counseling or amnisty. What I need to do, and I do
quite well, is to not pick up a book late at night.

Now, cigarettes, there's another one. Fact is: my fault. When I was TWELVE I
knew smoking was stupid but I started anyway. At every age since then, I've
known that its stupid and I need to quit. Yes, I'm addicted. But I'll be
damned if I'm going to argue that out with anyone, so f-it, I'm not
addicted. Whatever. Just send me my gov't cheese in the mail, pay
$500/tablet for my welbutrin through medi-cal, I'll buy cigarettes with my
welfare cheks whilst pumping out more babies just for the money, and let the
liberals eat all the totsie rolls while they put a "fat tax" on fatty meat.

E-gads, democrats. Lol. Don't vote for 'em, aye? Please?

em wrote:
>
> "Dawn" <dawn@no.email.here.com> wrote in message
> news:46bb2c7a$0$28683$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> em wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
>>> caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own
>>> stupidity. Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your
>>> marriage, alcohol, run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if
>>> you're suffering from the problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.
>>
>>
>> I call it an addictive personality. I've never been drunk, but if I
>> have one drink I wake up the next morning and think "Wouldn't a drink
>> be nice about now?" I've done it with caffiene, food, TV, books, all
>> manner of things that are bad for you in excess.
>
>
> I hate dealing with words like "addicted". Its a simple word, it means
> "a person can't/doesn't/won't stop doing something".
>

No, It doesn't mean that. YOU MEAN THAT.

The word doesn't mean that.

Can you tell the difference between a real meaning of a word and the
meaning you wish to attach to it?

PLONK!

"Jim" <jbuch@revealed.net> wrote in message news:f9gb33$e7g$3@aioe.org...
> em wrote:
>>
>> "Dawn" <dawn@no.email.here.com> wrote in message
>> news:46bb2c7a$0$28683$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> em wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I've got a lot of problems with addiction -- food, cigs, carbs,
>>>> caffeine... & I've never been a victim of anything but my own
>>>> stupidity. Whether its your weight, problems in your job, your
>>>> marriage, alcohol, run-ins with the law, money problems, whatever, if
>>>> you're suffering from the problem, its you're fault 99.9% of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> I call it an addictive personality. I've never been drunk, but if I
>>> have one drink I wake up the next morning and think "Wouldn't a drink
>>> be nice about now?" I've done it with caffiene, food, TV, books, all
>>> manner of things that are bad for you in excess.
>>
>>
>> I hate dealing with words like "addicted". Its a simple word, it means
>> "a person can't/doesn't/won't stop doing something".
>>
>
> No, It doesn't mean that. YOU MEAN THAT.
>
> The word doesn't mean that.
>
> Can you tell the difference between a real meaning of a word and the
> meaning you wish to attach to it?
>
> PLONK!

SEE.... SEE!!! that's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.