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Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?
  1. #1
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    other day.

    How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.



  2. #2
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Have any of you tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively?


    Make that, "Have any of you tried just eating fruits and vegetables
    exclusively?" Attempting to use them as eating utensils could prove
    exasperating.



  3. #3
    Chris Braun Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    >tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >other day.
    >
    >How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
    >


    Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    loss while eating a full complement of foods.

    Chris
    262/130s/130s
    started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

  4. #4
    Scott Smith Guest

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    "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >>you
    >>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >>other day.
    >>
    >>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >>weight.
    >>

    >
    > Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    > loss while eating a full complement of foods.


    That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
    fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.



  5. #5
    Chris Braun Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:33:20 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <jss@we[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >>>you
    >>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >>>other day.
    >>>
    >>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >>>weight.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    >> loss while eating a full complement of foods.

    >
    >That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
    >fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
    >


    Exercise is a good thing for a whole lot of reasons, not just weight
    loss. I expect that a diet with as little protein as you're
    suggesting would negatively impact one's ability to exercise. Anyway,
    all kinds of foods have health benefits, not just fruits and
    vegetables. A more varied diet is necessary to provide the best
    overall nutrition.

    Chris
    262/130s/130s
    started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

  6. #6
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:33:20 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >>>>you
    >>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
    >>>>(well,
    >>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I
    >>>>lose
    >>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread
    >>>>every
    >>>>other day.
    >>>>
    >>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works
    >>>>(almost
    >>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >>>>weight.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    >>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.

    >>
    >>That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
    >>fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
    >>

    >
    > Exercise is a good thing for a whole lot of reasons, not just weight
    > loss.


    I agree, however for the majority who want to loss weight without exercise,
    eating a fruit and vegetable regimen will provide this without compromising
    their health in the process.

    >I expect that a diet with as little protein as you're
    > suggesting would negatively impact one's ability to exercise.


    Nothing says a person can't eat a piece of chicken or beef once per day if
    necessary. In fact, a person could make do with eating two pieces per day
    without jeopardizing the aforementioned regimen. I've been using this
    regimen for over a year now and have never felt better. My skin looks great,
    I feel great and my energy levels are very, very high. Remember, beef and
    chicken aside, there are vegetal avenues to obtain protein.

    > all kinds of foods have health benefits, not just fruits and
    > vegetables.


    It depends on which foods you're referring to, although the advantage of a
    fruit and vegetable regimen is that there's no guesswork regarding what will
    and will not conflict with a persons weightloss goals. Practically nothing
    is off limits(aside from diabetic considerations perhaps). In my estimation,
    it is the absolutely safest, most effective and completely simple weight
    loss strategy out there that I've found compared to everything else. If
    weight loss is the goal, this is a regimen that does not require exercise if
    a person simply wants to drop their excess weight. That certainly isn't to
    say after a person drops the weight, they may not want to engage in exercise
    to shape their new body.

    > A more varied diet is necessary to provide the best
    > overall nutrition.


    What do a wide array of fruits and vegetables not contain that you feel a
    person would need (protein aside, although this can also be supplemented via
    vegetative methods) to supplement externally?



  7. #7
    Willow Herself Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:QKj7h.8468$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >>>you
    >>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >>>other day.
    >>>
    >>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >>>weight.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    >> loss while eating a full complement of foods.

    >
    > That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
    > fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
    >

    Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

    As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs) and
    maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete array of
    foods.

    I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

    Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin... physically, mentally,
    emotionally... of course, optimal condition is when you have both...

    Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the wait
    and are maintaining..

    Will~



  8. #8
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:edl7h.6634$[email protected] t...
    >
    > "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:QKj7h.8468$[email protected]..
    >>
    >> "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >>>>you
    >>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
    >>>>(well,
    >>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I
    >>>>lose
    >>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread
    >>>>every
    >>>>other day.
    >>>>
    >>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works
    >>>>(almost
    >>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >>>>weight.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
    >>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.

    >>
    >> That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention,
    >> the fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
    >>

    > Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    > limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...


    Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?

    > As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs) and
    > maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete array of
    > foods.


    No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
    but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    > I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    > those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..


    Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't necessarily
    exercise, but because they're loading their system down with fuel that
    doesn't nourish the engine. I'm certainly not against exercise in any
    capacity, but the regimen I'm espousing is _very_ healthy for the
    participant and doesn't require exercise in order to work. There are many
    diets out there that will help a person lose weight, however a vast majority
    of them are unhealthy gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    > Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...


    Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy than
    a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet doesn't
    (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against exercise
    though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely possible to
    be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest in that goal
    then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However, there are others,
    like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy without (any real)
    effort on their part..


    > Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    > wait and are maintaining..


    No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current regimen,
    why bother responding to this one? It's a bit like owning a car you really
    like and taking the time to stop by a dealership that sells a different make
    to tell them you don't really care for their brand. If what you're doing
    works for you, great! Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size
    fits all, and I'd never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.



  9. #9
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    > No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    > regimen, why bother responding to this one?


    Because it's stupid, and we don't like the idea of well-intentioned but
    uninformed newbies trying stupid stuff like this, so we want to voice the
    collective wisdom of the group to the effect that your idea is a really bad
    one.

    Actually, I do have a friend who lost weight on a fruit diet a few years
    ago. He gained it all back as soon as he started eating a balanced diet
    again. This guy is a classic yo-yo dieter. Tries stuff like all-fruit
    diets and never actually learns anything about nutrition. So he always
    gains it all back after he stops starving himself on the diet-du-jour, and
    then he gains back MORE.

    A fruit and veggie diet is going to be low on EFAs, proteins, various
    vitamins. For starters.

    ep ooooooof



  10. #10
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:Q8m7h.9607$[email protected]..
    > "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    >> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >
    > Because it's stupid, and we don't like the idea of well-intentioned but
    > uninformed newbies trying stupid stuff like this, so we want to voice the
    > collective wisdom of the group to the effect that your idea is a really
    > bad one.


    I'm certainly not uninformed nor am I a newbie in terms of health related
    regimens such as this.

    > Actually, I do have a friend who lost weight on a fruit diet a few years
    > ago. He gained it all back as soon as he started eating a balanced diet
    > again. This guy is a classic yo-yo dieter. Tries stuff like all-fruit
    > diets and never actually learns anything about nutrition. So he always
    > gains it all back after he stops starving himself on the diet-du-jour, and
    > then he gains back MORE.


    Who said anything about an *all-fruit* diet?

    > A fruit and veggie diet is going to be low on EFAs, proteins, various
    > vitamins. For starters.


    This very much depends on *which* vegetation you're consuming. Bean sprouts
    are loaded with protein, and I'd be interested in your elaboration on which
    vitamins you feel would fall to deficiency on the regimen I'm referencing.
    For the record, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil can provide adequate Omega-3
    and Omega-6 supplementation, which I would also recommend on an all
    fruit/vegetable regimen.



  11. #11
    Willow Herself Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    *Snip*
    >>>

    >> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    >> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

    >
    > Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?


    Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
    whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..

    >
    >> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >> array of foods.

    >
    > No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
    > but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.


    You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but it
    works..

    >
    >> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    >> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

    >
    > Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't necessarily
    > exercise, but because they're loading their system down with fuel that
    > doesn't nourish the engine.


    Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
    really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
    continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able to
    follow me for more than 5 minutes though.

    > I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    > espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    > exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help a
    > person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy gimmicks
    > aren't suitable for longterm use.


    Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat less
    variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.

    >
    >> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...

    >
    > Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    > this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    > their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    > than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    > doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    > exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
    > possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
    > in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
    > there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
    > without (any real) effort on their part..


    You can read this article:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm

    Or this one:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237

    or this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html

    and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    find "some way" to move..

    >
    >
    >> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >> wait and are maintaining..

    >
    > No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    > regimen, why bother responding to this one?


    Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..

    > It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    > by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
    > care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
    > with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
    > suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >


    If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you don't
    think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat more
    fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..

    It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    line...
    Will~



  12. #12
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:btm7h.310776$[email protected] m...
    <snip>
    > Bean sprouts <snip> flaxseed oil


    Okay, now you're actually starting to make some sense. If you're including
    *legumes* with your fruits and vegetables, and *whole grains*, and
    *supplements* including EFAs, then you're starting to sound like a healthy
    "vegetarian" diet. Which can be fine, for lots of people. It's also a far
    cry from where you started this thread, when you said "fruits and vegetables
    exclusively." That, IMNSHO, is an overly simplistic description of what it
    takes to eat a healthy vegetarian diet, especially for newcomers here who
    might not know a lot about nutrition, who may be looking for a magic fix to
    a lifetime of health and weight issues, and who may be thinking, "Ah, maybe
    a week eating nothing but canned peaches and iceberg lettuce for six week
    will work!" And a diet that limited is a bad idea. Of course.

    ep



  13. #13
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    Great post, Willow.

    My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
    dim person.

    ep


    "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >
    > "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    > *Snip*
    >>>>
    >>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    >>> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

    >>
    >> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >> to?

    >
    > Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
    > whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    > As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
    >
    >>
    >>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>> array of foods.

    >>
    >> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
    >> but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    >
    > You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    > you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
    > it works..
    >
    >>
    >>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    >>> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

    >>
    >> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
    >> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

    >
    > Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
    > really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
    > continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able to
    > follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
    >
    >> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
    >> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
    >> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    >
    > Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    > less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
    >
    >>
    >>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...

    >>
    >> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    >> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    >> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    >> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    >> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    >> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
    >> possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
    >> in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
    >> there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
    >> without (any real) effort on their part..

    >
    > You can read this article:
    > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
    >
    > Or this one:
    >
    > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
    >
    > or this one:
    >
    > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
    >
    > and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    > hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    > find "some way" to move..
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>> wait and are maintaining..

    >>
    >> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >
    > Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    > which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
    >
    >> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    >> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
    >> care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
    >> with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
    >> suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>

    >
    > If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you don't
    > think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat more
    > fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
    >
    > It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    > prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    > line...
    > Will~
    >




  14. #14
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    Scott Smith wrote:
    > I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    > tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    > right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    > with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    > practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    > too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    > other day.
    >
    > How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    > too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.


    That would certainly work. The human body can function well on a
    variety of diets, including vegetarian only, high-fat, low-fat, low
    carb, etc, so long as you count the calories. People argue about the
    healthiest kind of diet, and the one you suggest sounds healthy
    depending on your choice of vegetables and fruits certainly. You could
    even skip the chicken. I do. I also eat grain products and get
    additional protein from egg whites and nonfat milk, but the high fiber
    idea is valid. High fiber and high water along with low fat is the way
    I went when I lost my 85 pounds...along with moderate exercise, and a
    vegetarian diet. dkw


  15. #15
    Willow Herself Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
    then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...

    What do they expect?


    "Yesh mashter... You are so right mashter... "

    Sheesh
    Will~

    "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
    > Great post, Willow.
    >
    > My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
    > dim person.
    >
    > ep
    >
    >
    > "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >>
    >> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    >> *Snip*
    >>>>>
    >>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
    >>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
    >>>
    >>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >>> to?

    >>
    >> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
    >> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    >> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>>> array of foods.
    >>>
    >>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
    >>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    >>
    >> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    >> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
    >> it works..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
    >>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
    >>>
    >>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
    >>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

    >>
    >> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
    >> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
    >> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
    >> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
    >>
    >>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
    >>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
    >>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    >>
    >> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    >> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
    >>>
    >>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    >>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    >>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    >>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    >>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    >>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's
    >>> completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have
    >>> no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's
    >>> fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being
    >>> thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..

    >>
    >> You can read this article:
    >> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
    >>
    >> Or this one:
    >>
    >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
    >>
    >> or this one:
    >>
    >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
    >>
    >> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    >> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    >> find "some way" to move..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>>> wait and are maintaining..
    >>>
    >>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >>
    >> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    >> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
    >>
    >>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    >>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
    >>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
    >>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
    >>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>>

    >>
    >> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
    >> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
    >> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
    >>
    >> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    >> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    >> line...
    >> Will~
    >>

    >
    >




  16. #16
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >
    > "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    > *Snip*
    >>>>
    >>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    >>> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

    >>
    >> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >> to?

    >
    > Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
    > whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    > As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..


    I consider dairy products anathema. Legumes are always a good idea(protein),
    of course. Whole grains are optional, in my opinion. In addition, wheatgrass
    juice (and vegetable juices in general) is a terrific idea.

    >>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>> array of foods.

    >>
    >> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
    >> but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    >
    > You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    > you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
    > it works..


    As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, there are plenty of gimmicks out there
    that will certainly "work" but aren't sustainable nor healthy. Cocaine will
    certainly work for weight loss too, but there's no question it's not only
    unhealthy but dangerous. The ideal is to shoot for something healthy,
    sustainable and practically guaranteed to work. How many regimens can you
    think of that fit that criteria?

    >>
    >>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    >>> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

    >>
    >> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
    >> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

    >
    > Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein


    No one said anything about very little protein. I specified that if a person
    needs to increase their protein intake, eating up to (and possibly more)
    than two pieces of meat won't jeopardize this particular regimen.

    > and nothing really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are
    > "dieting" continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't
    > be able to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.


    Well, without having examined their diet, it's difficult to ascertain the
    delimma.

    >> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
    >> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
    >> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    >
    > Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    > less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.


    That's the difference. The regimen I'm espousing, a person doesn't have to
    eat less to continue losing. Nor is exercise required.

    >
    >>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...

    >>
    >> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    >> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    >> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    >> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    >> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    >> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
    >> possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
    >> in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
    >> there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
    >> without (any real) effort on their part..

    >
    > You can read this article:
    > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm


    The conclusion of this article: "Obese people who exercise have half the
    death rate of those who are trim but don't exercise, a leading expert said
    Tuesday."

    The unanswered question is, how many study participants that did not
    exercise actually maintained a highly nutritional regimen?

    > Or this one:
    >
    > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237


    Again, the same premise as above.

    > or this one:
    >
    > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html


    This article basically emphasizes the idea that exercise without proper diet
    and proper diet without exercise is a toss-up of sorts(based on the two
    studies which were pointed out initially).

    > and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    > hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    > find "some way" to move..


    Not true, as the article above implies. Working out will not make you
    healthy, necessarily. It can make you fit, which is correlated with health,
    but exercise alone does not make one healthy, in my opinion. If such a
    premise were true, one could simply work out and consume whatever they like.

    >>
    >>
    >>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>> wait and are maintaining..

    >>
    >> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >
    > Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    > which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..


    On the contrary, although I'm not vegan, there's plenty of evidence which
    shows a vegan diet, for instance, is completely healthy, provided the diet
    is supplemented with B12 and EFA's(flaxseed works). You may want to peruse
    www.veganmd.com for more details.

    >> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    >> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
    >> care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
    >> with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
    >> suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>

    >
    > If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum.


    No one said anything about feeling as though others shouldn't oppose such a
    regimen. However, I don't see the point in opposing someone else's regimen
    if you've found something that already works 'for you'. I defer to my
    previous analogy.

    > Hope you don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well
    > just eat more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..


    Probably no more than you'd be the first to suggest exercising to maintain
    fitness. Neither is bad, but if you're happy just exercising, I'm certainly
    not going to post in your thread stating how ineffective I think it when
    lacking what I consider a proper nutritional component. If your method works
    for you (and others), fine. Likewise, if the aforementioned method works for
    me(and others), what's the problem? You do what works for you. I'm just
    trying to give others an alternative that some might find more suitable and
    that is known to work very, very effectively.

    > It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    > prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    > line...
    > Will~


    I don't believe it's one size fits all, however you're misconstruing the
    comment. To clarify, while the regimen will work for nearly everyone, there
    are some who would rather opt for an alternate sure-fire method because they
    may feel the lack of variety offered in eating fruits and vegetables is
    simply too unpalatable for them. For others, like myself, they find it quite
    palatable and have no problem maintaining such a regimen.



  17. #17
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
    > Great post, Willow.
    >
    > My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
    > dim person.


    I'm neither a troll, spammer or a dim person. No more than you or anyone is
    that's responding to my post. I certainly don't label others here as such
    simply because I strongly disagree with their viewpoints. I'm certainly not
    demanding respect by any stretch, but I do find your quick assumption highly
    disrespectful nonetheless.

    >
    > "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >>
    >> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    >> *Snip*
    >>>>>
    >>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
    >>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
    >>>
    >>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >>> to?

    >>
    >> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
    >> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    >> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>>> array of foods.
    >>>
    >>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
    >>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    >>
    >> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    >> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
    >> it works..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
    >>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
    >>>
    >>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
    >>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

    >>
    >> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
    >> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
    >> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
    >> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
    >>
    >>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
    >>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
    >>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    >>
    >> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    >> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
    >>
    >>>
    >>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
    >>>
    >>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    >>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    >>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    >>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    >>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    >>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's
    >>> completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have
    >>> no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's
    >>> fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being
    >>> thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..

    >>
    >> You can read this article:
    >> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
    >>
    >> Or this one:
    >>
    >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
    >>
    >> or this one:
    >>
    >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
    >>
    >> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    >> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    >> find "some way" to move..
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>>> wait and are maintaining..
    >>>
    >>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >>
    >> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    >> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
    >>
    >>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    >>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
    >>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
    >>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
    >>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>>

    >>
    >> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
    >> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
    >> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
    >>
    >> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    >> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    >> line...
    >> Will~
    >>

    >
    >




  18. #18
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:Okn7h.6672$[email protected] ...
    > It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
    > then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
    >
    > What do they expect?


    I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
    respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.


    > "Yesh mashter... You are so right mashter... "
    >
    > Sheesh
    > Will~
    >
    > "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
    >> Great post, Willow.
    >>
    >> My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an
    >> exceedingly dim person.
    >>
    >> ep
    >>
    >>
    >> "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >>>
    >>> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
    >>> *Snip*
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
    >>>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
    >>>>
    >>>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >>>> to?
    >>>
    >>> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
    >>> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    >>> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>>>> array of foods.
    >>>>
    >>>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
    >>>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
    >>>
    >>> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow
    >>> it, you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or
    >>> healthy... but it works..
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
    >>>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
    >>>>
    >>>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >>>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down
    >>>> with fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
    >>>
    >>> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
    >>> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
    >>> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
    >>> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
    >>>
    >>>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >>>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >>>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will
    >>>> help a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are
    >>>> unhealthy gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
    >>>
    >>> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    >>> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
    >>>>
    >>>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue
    >>>> with this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet
    >>>> loads their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less
    >>>> healthy than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I
    >>>> mentioned yet doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing
    >>>> for or against exercise though, other than maintaining the position
    >>>> that it's completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise.
    >>>> If you have no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you
    >>>> and that's fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who
    >>>> enjoy being thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..
    >>>
    >>> You can read this article:
    >>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
    >>>
    >>> Or this one:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
    >>>
    >>> or this one:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
    >>>
    >>> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    >>> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    >>> find "some way" to move..
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>>>> wait and are maintaining..
    >>>>
    >>>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >>>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
    >>>
    >>> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    >>> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
    >>>
    >>>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to
    >>>> stop by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
    >>>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
    >>>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
    >>>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
    >>> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
    >>> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
    >>>
    >>> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no
    >>> fail prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own
    >>> subject line...
    >>> Will~
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  19. #19
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ups.com...
    >
    > Scott Smith wrote:
    >> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >> you
    >> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >> other day.
    >>
    >> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >> weight.

    >
    > That would certainly work. The human body can function well on a
    > variety of diets, including vegetarian only, high-fat, low-fat, low
    > carb, etc, so long as you count the calories. People argue about the
    > healthiest kind of diet, and the one you suggest sounds healthy
    > depending on your choice of vegetables and fruits certainly. You could
    > even skip the chicken. I do. I also eat grain products and get
    > additional protein from egg whites and nonfat milk, but the high fiber
    > idea is valid. High fiber and high water along with low fat is the way
    > I went when I lost my 85 pounds...along with moderate exercise, and a
    > vegetarian diet. dkw


    Congratulations on losing such a high quantity of weight. I probably did
    tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to mention the need for a
    certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation, although I'm sure you'd
    agree these are very easy to supplement. You also mentioned high water
    consumption, which I'd wholeheartedly agree. Water isn't naturally
    replenished, after all.

    The main reason I consider this such a very successful regimen is because
    fibre isn't digested, therefore it must pass through you. In my estimation,
    it's virtually impossible not to lose weight by eating a diet primarily
    composed of fibre via fruits and vegetables. The fact it's extremely healthy
    is a definite plus.



  20. #20
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
    > I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
    > mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation,


    Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify the
    regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

    ep




  21. #21
    Edna Pearl Guest

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    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:NCn7h.347665$[email protected] ...
    > I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
    > respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.


    Huh?

    That was a rhetorical question. My point is that your statement of
    "amazement" is unclear. To the extent I think I understand what you are
    trying to say, it doesn't make sense. It is perfectly natural for a person
    to be particularly "quick to respond" regarding an "issue" regarding which
    they are well informed. And some of us are well informed about fat-loss,
    strength-building, and nutrition -- apparently better-informed than you --
    so we responded accordingly. And "quickly."

    Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
    learn something from that. Maybe not.

    ep



  22. #22
    Del Cecchi Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    Scott Smith wrote:
    > "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
    >
    >>"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] m...
    >>*Snip*
    >>
    >>>>Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
    >>>>limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
    >>>
    >>>Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
    >>>to?

    >>
    >>Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
    >>whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
    >>As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..

    >
    >
    > I consider dairy products anathema. Legumes are always a good idea(protein),
    > of course. Whole grains are optional, in my opinion. In addition, wheatgrass
    > juice (and vegetable juices in general) is a terrific idea.
    >
    >
    >>>>As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
    >>>>and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
    >>>>array of foods.
    >>>
    >>>No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
    >>>but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

    >>
    >>You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
    >>you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
    >>it works..

    >
    >
    > As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, there are plenty of gimmicks out there
    > that will certainly "work" but aren't sustainable nor healthy. Cocaine will
    > certainly work for weight loss too, but there's no question it's not only
    > unhealthy but dangerous. The ideal is to shoot for something healthy,
    > sustainable and practically guaranteed to work. How many regimens can you
    > think of that fit that criteria?
    >
    >
    >>>>I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
    >>>>those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
    >>>
    >>>Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
    >>>necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
    >>>fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.

    >>
    >>Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein

    >
    >
    > No one said anything about very little protein. I specified that if a person
    > needs to increase their protein intake, eating up to (and possibly more)
    > than two pieces of meat won't jeopardize this particular regimen.
    >
    >
    >>and nothing really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are
    >>"dieting" continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't
    >>be able to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.

    >
    >
    > Well, without having examined their diet, it's difficult to ascertain the
    > delimma.
    >
    >
    >>>I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
    >>>espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
    >>>exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
    >>>a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
    >>>gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.

    >>
    >>Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
    >>less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.

    >
    >
    > That's the difference. The regimen I'm espousing, a person doesn't have to
    > eat less to continue losing. Nor is exercise required.
    >
    >
    >>>>Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
    >>>
    >>>Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
    >>>this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
    >>>their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
    >>>than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
    >>>doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
    >>>exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
    >>>possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
    >>>in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
    >>>there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
    >>>without (any real) effort on their part..

    >>
    >>You can read this article:
    >>http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm

    >
    >
    > The conclusion of this article: "Obese people who exercise have half the
    > death rate of those who are trim but don't exercise, a leading expert said
    > Tuesday."
    >
    > The unanswered question is, how many study participants that did not
    > exercise actually maintained a highly nutritional regimen?
    >
    >
    >>Or this one:
    >>
    >>http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237

    >
    >
    > Again, the same premise as above.
    >
    >
    >>or this one:
    >>
    >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html

    >
    >
    > This article basically emphasizes the idea that exercise without proper diet
    > and proper diet without exercise is a toss-up of sorts(based on the two
    > studies which were pointed out initially).
    >
    >
    >>and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
    >>hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
    >>find "some way" to move..

    >
    >
    > Not true, as the article above implies. Working out will not make you
    > healthy, necessarily. It can make you fit, which is correlated with health,
    > but exercise alone does not make one healthy, in my opinion. If such a
    > premise were true, one could simply work out and consume whatever they like.
    >
    >
    >>>
    >>>>Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
    >>>>wait and are maintaining..
    >>>
    >>>No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
    >>>regimen, why bother responding to this one?

    >>
    >>Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
    >>which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..

    >
    >
    > On the contrary, although I'm not vegan, there's plenty of evidence which
    > shows a vegan diet, for instance, is completely healthy, provided the diet
    > is supplemented with B12 and EFA's(flaxseed works). You may want to peruse
    > www.veganmd.com for more details.
    >
    >
    >>>It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
    >>>by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
    >>>care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
    >>>with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
    >>>suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
    >>>

    >>
    >>If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum.

    >
    >
    > No one said anything about feeling as though others shouldn't oppose such a
    > regimen. However, I don't see the point in opposing someone else's regimen
    > if you've found something that already works 'for you'. I defer to my
    > previous analogy.
    >
    >
    >>Hope you don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well
    >>just eat more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..

    >
    >
    > Probably no more than you'd be the first to suggest exercising to maintain
    > fitness. Neither is bad, but if you're happy just exercising, I'm certainly
    > not going to post in your thread stating how ineffective I think it when
    > lacking what I consider a proper nutritional component. If your method works
    > for you (and others), fine. Likewise, if the aforementioned method works for
    > me(and others), what's the problem? You do what works for you. I'm just
    > trying to give others an alternative that some might find more suitable and
    > that is known to work very, very effectively.
    >
    >
    >>It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
    >>prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
    >>line...
    >>Will~

    >
    >
    > I don't believe it's one size fits all, however you're misconstruing the
    > comment. To clarify, while the regimen will work for nearly everyone, there
    > are some who would rather opt for an alternate sure-fire method because they
    > may feel the lack of variety offered in eating fruits and vegetables is
    > simply too unpalatable for them. For others, like myself, they find it quite
    > palatable and have no problem maintaining such a regimen.
    >
    >

    Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish
    oil in terms of health benefits.

    --
    Del Cecchi
    "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
    strategies or opinions.”

  23. #23
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    "Del Cecchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
    > in terms of health benefits.


    Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
    something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)

    I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
    seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
    supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in farmed
    salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me indigestion.
    I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:
    http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.

    ep



  24. #24
    Beverly Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?



    Edna Pearl wrote:
    > "Del Cecchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
    >> in terms of health benefits.

    >
    > Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
    > something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)
    >
    > I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
    > seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
    > supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in

    farmed
    > salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me

    indigestion.
    > I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:
    > http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.
    >
    > ep


    I haven't tired this but a friend suggested freezing the fish oil capsules
    to prevent indigestion. She simply takes them frozen. Not sure how this
    would prevent indigestion but it works for her.




  25. #25
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    > Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
    > learn something from that. Maybe not.


    Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with your
    opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as being
    fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who would
    peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every excuse to
    disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with respect in my
    posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the same in kind.



  26. #26
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
    > "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
    >> I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
    >> mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation,

    >
    > Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
    > the
    > regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.


    I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:

    "That, IMNSHO, is an overly simplistic description of what it takes to eat a
    healthy vegetarian diet, especially for newcomers here who might not know a
    lot about nutrition, who may be looking for a magic fix to a lifetime of
    health and weight issues, and who may be thinking, "Ah, maybe a week eating
    nothing but canned peaches and iceberg lettuce for six week will work!"



  27. #27
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:V8q7h.435691$[email protected] m...
    >
    > "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
    >> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
    >>> I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
    >>> mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA
    >>> supplementation,

    >>
    >> Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
    >> the
    >> regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.


    Supplementary omissions aside, it _is_ a very simple regimen.



  28. #28
    Edna Pearl Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:V8q7h.435691$[email protected] m...
    > "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
    >> Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
    >> the
    >> regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

    > I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:


    Thanks again!

    ep



  29. #29
    Cheese Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    Scott Smith wrote:
    > I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    > tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    > right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    > with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    > practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    > too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    > other day.
    >
    > How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    > too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
    >
    >

    What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
    restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?

    *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
    and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
    each.

    *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
    vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
    control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.

    *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
    fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
    allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
    consume a small portion of each.

    Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
    that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
    what works LONG TERM!
    --

    Cheese

    http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

  30. #30
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Cheese" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:frq7h.3163$[email protected]..
    > Scott Smith wrote:
    >> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
    >> you tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will
    >> go right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
    >> (well, with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >> other day.
    >>
    >> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
    >> weight.

    > What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
    > restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?


    > *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre and
    > dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of each.


    If you're experiencing success with portion control, I say more power to
    you. Personally, I never order an appetizer or anything else from most
    restaurants because their menu generally contains items I consider
    unhealthy. I don't specifically use this regimen for weight control
    necessarily, although it works very effectively for that purpose.

    > *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
    > vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others.


    While this may not set well with some people, it's perfectly fine by me.

    > *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
    > fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve.


    Only if the host decides this is what they're going to serve. Who says the
    person must serve fruits and vegetables just because that's what they're
    committed to eating? Using your current regimen as an analogical basis, must
    everyone at your party also exercise portion control just because you do?

    > Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet that
    > will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's what works
    > LONG TERM!


    It's certainly your prerogative to be concerned about what others might
    think of your eating habits. It doesn't bother me in the least that some may
    deem my commitment to eating healthy as "socially unacceptable". These are
    likely people I would have little (to no) interest in developing any kind of
    a relationship with anyway. However, I do respect your opinion.



  31. #31
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    Cheese wrote:
    > Scott Smith wrote:
    > > I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    > > tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    > > right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    > > with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    > > practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    > > too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    > > other day.
    > >
    > > How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    > > too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
    > >
    > >

    > What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
    > restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?
    >
    > *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
    > and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
    > each.
    >
    > *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
    > vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
    > control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.
    >
    > *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
    > fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
    > allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
    > consume a small portion of each.
    >
    > Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
    > that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
    > what works LONG TERM!
    > --
    >
    > Cheese
    >
    > http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php


    Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
    miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
    It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
    a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
    some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
    compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
    think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
    Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
    out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
    isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
    people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
    interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
    that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
    fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
    dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
    certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
    someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
    be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
    screening test. dkw


  32. #32
    The Queen of Cans and Jars Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    fScott Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?


    Just about anything. Where's the protein? Where's the fat?


  33. #33
    Cheese Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Cheese wrote:
    >> Scott Smith wrote:
    >>> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
    >>> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
    >>> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
    >>> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
    >>> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
    >>> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
    >>> other day.
    >>>
    >>> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
    >>> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
    >> restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?
    >>
    >> *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
    >> and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
    >> each.
    >>
    >> *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
    >> vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
    >> control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.
    >>
    >> *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
    >> fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
    >> allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
    >> consume a small portion of each.
    >>
    >> Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
    >> that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
    >> what works LONG TERM!
    >> --
    >>
    >> Cheese
    >>
    >> http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

    >
    > Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
    > miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
    > It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
    > a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
    > some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
    > compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
    > think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
    > Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
    > out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
    > isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
    > people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
    > interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
    > that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
    > fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
    > dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
    > certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
    > someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
    > be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
    > screening test. dkw
    >

    My apologies as I certainly respect those vegetarians who understand
    that nutritional balance is important and do so. I wouldn't consider
    the OP to be concerned about nutrient balances or call him a vegetarian
    by any sense of the word. He has offered no lean sources of protein
    other than a piece of chicken or beef every other day, no complex carbs
    other than perhaps this piece of bread every other day and no mention of
    unsaturated fats. These nutrients wouldn't be ignored by a responsible
    vegetarian. At the same time, the sacrifices a vegetarian makes are
    more likely driven by beliefs, disgust or intolerance of the treatment
    of livestock and not so much losing a few unwanted pounds.

    You are right, portion control only works for some. Unfortunately that
    *some* would be the thinner population. Many others strive for some
    magic pill, diet or exercise to somehow let them outsmart the human
    body. It's not going to happen. Sure, there are different diets that
    offer more quantity of food or more foods that are less likely to
    trigger hunger, but the end result is still portion control. Low
    Carbers can't eat too much protein and fat, low fatters can't eat too
    many proteins and carbs. The same rules apply to vegetarians and even
    the OPs fruit and vegetable diet without limits will eventually lead to
    increased quantities and weight gain. My point was that portion
    control is always important. What we individually decide to eat to make
    portion control less painful defines our personal diet of choice.
    --

    Cheese

    http://cheesensweets.com/contact/cheese

  34. #34
    teachrmama Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
    news:NCn7h.347665$R52.61309@fe07.news.easynews.com ...
    >
    > "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
    > message news:Okn7h.6672$IR4.779@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
    >> It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
    >> then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
    >>
    >> What do they expect?

    >
    > I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
    > respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.


    OK, I'm trying to understand what you just said. My take is that you feel
    that those who have found a way to lose weight and maintain that weight loss
    did not even need to respond to your "eat fruits and veggies exclusively"
    idea. Only people who have not found a solution should have responded. Is
    that really what you are saying?



  35. #35
    teachrmama Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
    news:I5q7h.58160$cg2.14398@fe08.news.easynews.com. ..
    >> Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you
    >> can learn something from that. Maybe not.

    >
    > Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with
    > your opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as
    > being fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who
    > would peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every
    > excuse to disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with
    > respect in my posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the
    > same in kind.


    Um, just how respectful do you think you sounded when you said "I don't
    understand what's so difficult about losing weight." Surely you understand
    that there are many people who have struggled with their weight for
    years--and you seem to arrogantly announce that it isn't all that difficult.
    I certainly didn't get the feeling that you were trying to begin a helpful
    discussion. It felt more like a disdainful lecture. Perhaps rereading and
    trying to see your post from the perspective of the reader might be helpful
    before you post.



  36. #36
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "teachrmama" <teachrmama@iwon.com> wrote in message
    news:ejm4rm025gq@news3.newsguy.com...
    >
    > "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
    > news:I5q7h.58160$cg2.14398@fe08.news.easynews.com. ..
    >>> Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you
    >>> can learn something from that. Maybe not.

    >>
    >> Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with
    >> your opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as
    >> being fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who
    >> would peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every
    >> excuse to disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with
    >> respect in my posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the
    >> same in kind.

    >
    > Um, just how respectful do you think you sounded when you said "I don't
    > understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Surely you understand
    > that there are many people who have struggled with their weight for
    > years--and you seem to arrogantly announce that it isn't all that
    > difficult.


    I think the weight loss industry has created a lot of confusion regarding
    the issue, and I personally don't understand why this has to be so.



  37. #37
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "teachrmama" <teachrmama@iwon.com> wrote in message
    news:ejm4ka0258e@news3.newsguy.com...
    >
    > "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
    > news:NCn7h.347665$R52.61309@fe07.news.easynews.com ...
    >>
    >> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
    >> message news:Okn7h.6672$IR4.779@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
    >>> It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
    >>> then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
    >>>
    >>> What do they expect?

    >>
    >> I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick
    >> to respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.

    >
    > OK, I'm trying to understand what you just said. My take is that you feel
    > that those who have found a way to lose weight and maintain that weight
    > loss did not even need to respond to your "eat fruits and veggies
    > exclusively" idea. Only people who have not found a solution should have
    > responded. Is that really what you are saying?


    If you're happy with your current weight loss regimen, what's the point in
    responding only to criticize a regimen that another person has found helpful
    and that they feel may also be helpful to others? If a respondent is
    currently struggling, tried said regimen and found it to be ineffective in
    their case, that's another story, in my opinion.



  38. #38
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
    news:1hoyjcn.bwp4vg1u0v7y8N%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet. ..
    > fScott Smith <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote:
    >
    >> Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?

    >
    >Where's the protein?


    As mentioned, chicken or beef.

    >Where's the fat?


    What type of fat are you referring to? Generally speaking, I've found no
    need to supplement my diet with extraneous sources of fat, and have been on
    this regimen for over a year without complication.



  39. #39
    Willow Herself Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
    news:2Ay7h.585$E_2.172@fe03.news.easynews.com...
    >
    > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
    > news:1hoyjcn.bwp4vg1u0v7y8N%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet. ..
    >> fScott Smith <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?

    >>
    >>Where's the protein?

    >
    > As mentioned, chicken or beef.
    >
    >>Where's the fat?

    >
    > What type of fat are you referring to? Generally speaking, I've found no
    > need to supplement my diet with extraneous sources of fat, and have been
    > on this regimen for over a year without complication.
    >


    A year?

    You've got your own experience for a year (maybe a little more), you
    announced you didn't have weight issues, but yet you can tell people how to
    lose weight because it's simple to do so...

    Heheheh

    By the way, science is showing that we DO need healthy fats in order to be
    healthy. I hope you wake up before the gallblader stones and then some..

    Will~ amused now..



  40. #40
    Scott Smith Guest

    Default Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?


    [snip]

    >> Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
    >> miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
    >> It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
    >> a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
    >> some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
    >> compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
    >> think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
    >> Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
    >> out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
    >> isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
    >> people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
    >> interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
    >> that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
    >> fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
    >> dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
    >> certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
    >> someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
    >> be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
    >> screening test. dkw
    >>

    > My apologies as I certainly respect those vegetarians who understand that
    > nutritional balance is important and do so. I wouldn't consider the OP to
    > be concerned about nutrient balances or call him a vegetarian by any sense
    > of the word. He has offered no lean sources of protein other than a piece
    > of chicken or beef every other day, no complex carbs other than perhaps
    > this piece of bread every other day and no mention of unsaturated fats.
    > These nutrients wouldn't be ignored by a responsible vegetarian. At the
    > same time, the sacrifices a vegetarian makes are more likely driven by
    > beliefs, disgust or intolerance of the treatment of livestock and not so
    > much losing a few unwanted pounds.


    I certainly never claimed to be vegetarion. However, I do consider chicken a
    viable protein source and flaxseed a very suitable EFA supplement.



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