What, Precisely, Is "Hunger"??

Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
and boy was I hungry all day long!

I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes, and I
was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.

So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
of some nutrient?

Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
none too often, either, at that. Weird.

In article <1161794166.890713.293530@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> and boy was I hungry all day long!
>
> I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes, and I
> was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
>
> So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> of some nutrient?
>
> Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> none too often, either, at that. Weird.
>

Dude. Are you trying to get another leptin thread going?

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In article <1161794166.890713.293530@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> and boy was I hungry all day long!
>
> I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes, and I
> was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
>
> So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> of some nutrient?
>
> Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> none too often, either, at that. Weird.

It's a complex of hormonal cues.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...+makes+you+hun
gry+hormonal+control

I've found that sipping ice water or unsweetened ice tea helps to kill
hunger pangs. I use that at work all the time when I'm too busy to eat.
The hunger pangs make me nauseated if I have to ignore them long enough
otherwise.

Eliminating sugar from my diet (for the most part) helps to curb it a
lot. It's part of why complex carbs are more highly recommended for
weight loss.
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NYC XYZ wrote:
> Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> and boy was I hungry all day long!
>
> I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes, and I
> was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
>
> So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> of some nutrient?
>
> Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> none too often, either, at that. Weird.

There is a lot of truth to the old adages that some people live to eat
and others eat to live. What I notice is that when I am busy in some
activity, even if I might be a little hungry, I don't dwell on it. For
some reason, probably because our ancestors had to eat a lot whenever
food was available to keep from starving, we have a disconnect between
our hunger and our needs. Many people with a weight problem just have
to stay a little hungry. Besides keeping active, I think it helps to
eat those low cal, high fiber foods like green beans, almost all
vegetables really, or oatmeal or farina or grits, and drink a lot of
water or diet pop and just maintain the willpower to just say no to
additional food when you have reached your dietary allotment. If it is
any consolation, it does get a little easier on you after you make
eating the correct amount a routine. Just be aware that is is normal to
almost always want to eat more. There is a psychological and even an
evolutionary basis for this that people who tend to overeat just must
overcome. It sounds trite, but a person has to know their caloric
needs, know the exact calories in what they eat, then STOP eating when
they reach their daily allowance...even if you are still a little
hungry (or a lot hungry). dkw

NYC XYZ wrote:
>
> So what, exactly, is hunger?

Our language is inadequate to answer IMO.

> Is it simply the stomach being empty?

No.

Hunger is one or more of these factors and probably others:

Empty stomach rumblings, why high fiber veggies like brocolli are
filling in the short term.

Carb cravings, why some low fat diets suggest munching on veggies
to keep the glycogen stores full and most low carb diets attempt
to keep the glycogen stores empty. Either empty or full seems to
trigger no cravings, in between sharp ones.

Fat cravings, a low intensity drive to eat fatty foods. Why some
plans suggest a full stomach or other tactices to distract.

Protein cravings, they only seem to kick in after an extended fast
near as I can tell. Unless they are there but misidentified.

Addictive responses. Some foods make some people eat
unconsciously.

Insulin response to glycemic load. Carb cravings with a timing
issue. Some people will get cravings when they eat food with at
least some glycemic load because they get heightened insulin
response.

Habit.

Emotional triggers.

I am convinced that in 1,000 years, at which point we might really
understand hunger, it will turn out to be so much more complicated and
dependent on so many more variables and such a much larger set of
phenomena than we ever imagined, that the time machine traveler would
be truly amazed. I think that hunger is at least dependent on 1. How
full your stomach is. 2. Blood Sugar level. 3. Blood fat level. There
could be a dozen more. Don't let them tell you it is simple, it is not.
Neither is losing weight. If it were simple and easy we'd all be thin. I
admire your fortitude in sticking with the liquid diet. What a drag that
must have been.




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NYC XYZ wrote:
> Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> and boy was I hungry all day long!

No shit sherlock. We evolved eating real food.

>
> I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes, and I
> was still hungry!

Why would you think that the body would recognize fake, made-up,
manufactured crap as real food? And why would you think that it would
respond to this crap in the same way it would respond to real food?

> So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite

Obviously there is more to nutrition than what you concocted and fed to
yourself.

> deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.

Hmmmm..... imagine that, real food making things alright.

>
> So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> of some nutrient?

It is the reaction of the body to what it is fed. Feed it fake,
manufactured, man-made crap and chance are, the body will not react as
if you fed it a good wholesome meal of real foods.

>
> Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> none too often, either, at that. Weird.

Evolution.

TC

Adding to the anecdotal observations:

on a weekday when I go out to work, I'm immediately hungry, though often
an iced coffee will placate.

When I stay at home, though, I'm much less hungry overall... waiting 'til
lunch is no problem, and, though this might be a timing thing, I'm not
so hungry in the evenings either. This holds true even when my level of
physical activity is greater than what it would be going to the car,
walking to the building, climbing to the 3rd floor, etc.

So it's pretty complex and psychological. Along side the issues of bodies
generally craving Real Food.

Kirk 227/211/180

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NYC XYZ wrote:
> Snipped
>
> So what, exactly, is hunger?
more stuffage all snipped.


Hunger is a flower dying in the desert.

Similar to sweet reason and personal responsibility in these
(dis)United States.

Dying that is.

On 25 Oct 2006 09:36:06 -0700, NYC XYZ wrote:

> Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> and boy was I hungry all day long!

A liquid diet won't fill your stomach for a long time, IME. You need solid
food.

>
> I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes,

No fat?

> and I
> was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.

We need the texture and taste of real food.


> So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> of some nutrient?

> Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> none too often, either, at that. Weird.


It's a body and mind thing.
I am getting hungry when I read about your beef and potato stew.
I didn't get hungry for your vitamin pills and protein shake!

Enrico C wrote:
> NYC XYZ wrote:
>
> > Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> > and boy was I hungry all day long!
>
> A liquid diet won't fill your stomach for a long time, IME. You need solid
> food.
>
> >
> > I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes,
>
> No fat?
>
> > and I
> > was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> > needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> > deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> > beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
>
> We need the texture and taste of real food.
>
>
> > So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> > which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> > absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> > of some nutrient?
>
> > Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> > nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> > activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> > none too often, either, at that. Weird.
>
>
> It's a body and mind thing.
> I am getting hungry when I read about your beef and potato stew.
> I didn't get hungry for your vitamin pills and protein shake!

It's spiritual:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?

We have been brainwashed to believe "Hunger is bad" when, in truth,
"Hunger is good."

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
Richard whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
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Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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HeartDoc wrote:
> Enrico C wrote:
> > NYC XYZ wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> > > and boy was I hungry all day long!
> >
> > A liquid diet won't fill your stomach for a long time, IME. You need solid
> > food.
> >
> > >
> > > I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes,
> >
> > No fat?
> >
> > > and I
> > > was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition it
> > > needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> > > deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> > > beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
> >
> > We need the texture and taste of real food.
> >
> >
> > > So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty? In
> > > which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> > > absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in need
> > > of some nutrient?
> >
> > > Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> > > nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> > > activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds! And
> > > none too often, either, at that. Weird.
> >
> >
> > It's a body and mind thing.
> > I am getting hungry when I read about your beef and potato stew.
> > I didn't get hungry for your vitamin pills and protein shake!

Cephalic phase effect.
> It's spiritual:
Cephalic phase effect can be spritual or energetic.
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>
> We have been brainwashed to believe "Hunger is bad" when, in truth,
> "Hunger is good."
Yes, when it is natural. Can it r excessive craving be innatural--
excessive use of free will instead of GOD's deisin?
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
> Richard whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:42:21 -0800, HeartDoc did most oddly state:
> Enrico C wrote:
>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>
>> > Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
>> > and boy was I hungry all day long!
>>
>> A liquid diet won't fill your stomach for a long time, IME. You need
>> solid food.
>>
>>
>> > I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes,
>>
>> No fat?
>>
>> > and I
>> > was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition
>> > it needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
>> > deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
>> > beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
>>
>> We need the texture and taste of real food.
>>
>>
>> > So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty?
>> > In which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
>> > absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in
>> > need of some nutrient?
>>
>> > Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
>> > nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
>> > activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds!
>> > And none too often, either, at that. Weird.
>>
>>
>> It's a body and mind thing.
>> I am getting hungry when I read about your beef and potato stew. I
>> didn't get hungry for your vitamin pills and protein shake!
>
> It's spiritual:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>
> We have been brainwashed to believe "Hunger is bad" when, in truth,
> "Hunger is good."
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
> Richard whom I love unconditionally.

OK, _now_ you're nym-shifting and morphing to stay out of killfiles,
k00ky lying troll.

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Odd neighbor wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Enrico C wrote:
> >> NYC XYZ wrote:
> >>
> >> > Okay, I wound up doing a liquid diet for most of this past Saturday,
> >> > and boy was I hungry all day long!
> >>
> >> A liquid diet won't fill your stomach for a long time, IME. You need
> >> solid food.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I had an A-to-Z vitamin pill, I had carbs, I had protein shakes,
> >>
> >> No fat?
> >>
> >> > and I
> >> > was still hungry! So, assuming my body is getting all the nutrition
> >> > it needed -- which it was, on paper -- why was I still hungry? Quite
> >> > deeply, too, as when you feel it in your very throat! Once I had some
> >> > beef and potato stew, I was totally all right again.
> >>
> >> We need the texture and taste of real food.
> >>
> >>
> >> > So what, exactly, is hunger? Is it simply the stomach being empty?
> >> > In which case it would make sense, since a liquid diet is too quickly
> >> > absorbed. Or does the body only trigger hunger pangs when it's in
> >> > need of some nutrient?
> >>
> >> > Then there are days when, I swear, I had nothing to eat and almost
> >> > nothing to drink all day, while engaged in physically strenuous
> >> > activities, and seem not to have been hungry beyond a few seconds!
> >> > And none too often, either, at that. Weird.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's a body and mind thing.
> >> I am getting hungry when I read about your beef and potato stew. I
> >> didn't get hungry for your vitamin pills and protein shake!
> >
> > It's spiritual:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
> >
> > We have been brainwashed to believe "Hunger is bad" when, in truth,
> > "Hunger is good."
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
> > Richard whom I love unconditionally.
>
> OK, _now_ you're nym-shifting and morphing to stay out of killfiles,
> k00ky lying troll.

Name-calling simply shows that you are lost:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all heart, soul, mind,
and strength:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp

Fear GOD and dread nought:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought

Your consolation prize is eternal life if you wisely choose to
surrender to HIM:

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May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose
to curse HIM) dear odd neighbor whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

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What, Precisely, Is "Hunger"??

The NORMAL state of mankind. And, yes it is largely mental.