What are the symptoms of acute chlorine deficiency???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Richard Schultz wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
:
> But just what do you think gastric fluid
> consists of?

Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine.

Dear Radium:

Radium wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> :
> > But just what do you think gastric fluid
> > consists of?
>
> Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to
> completely rid myself of chlorine ions, I probably
> wouldn't have a sour stomach no matter what I ate.

I disagree. The "sour stomach" can be produced by bacteria as well.

> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> disappear?
>
> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine.

http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
alkalosis
hypochloremia
anorexia

David A. Smith

http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu.../chlorine.html

"Dietary requirements for chlorine have not been established because
dietary deficiencies have not been observed."

TC

Radium wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> :
> > But just what do you think gastric fluid
> > consists of?
>
> Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> matter what I ate.
>
> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> disappear?
>
> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine.

In article <1169067360.410377.86750@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.c om>, "TC"
<tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu.../chlorine.html

"Dietary requirements for chlorine have not been established because
dietary deficiencies have not been observed."

TC



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wanted to answer the question that was in the orginal post which was:

What are the symptoms of acute chloride deficiency?

I have a reference book related to understanding blood test results. I
looked up the word "chloride" and found the following information:


CHLORIDE:
A score [on a blood test] that is below the Lab Reference Range may indicate:

The adrenal gland deficiency known as Addison's Disease

Intestinal obstruction

Metabolic Acidosis common in diabetics

dlzc wrote:
> Dear Radium:
>
> Radium wrote:
> > Richard Schultz wrote in
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> > :
> > > But just what do you think gastric fluid
> > > consists of?
> >
> > Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to
> > completely rid myself of chlorine ions, I probably
> > wouldn't have a sour stomach no matter what I ate.
>
> I disagree. The "sour stomach" can be produced by bacteria as well.
>
> > Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> > mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> > disappear?
> >
> > AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> > mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> > unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
> >
> > I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> > chlorine.
>
> http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
> alkalosis
> hypochloremia
> anorexia
>
> David A. Smith

What if the amount of sodium ions in the body were in a healthy state?
Would extreme lack of chloride cause any significant symptoms?

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1169066199.040574.190520@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Richard Schultz wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> :
>> But just what do you think gastric fluid
>> consists of?
>
> Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> matter what I ate.
>
> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> disappear?
>
> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine.
>

You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
So much for not dying.

Dear Radium:

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1169078399.312019.270710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> dlzc wrote:
>> Dear Radium:
>>
>> Radium wrote:
....
>> > AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all.
>> > I think that mysterious power would do me a great
>> > favor by eliminating those unecessary chlorine
>> > particles that invade my body.
>> >
>> > I would like to know what would happen if my body
>> > suddenly lost all its
>> > chlorine.
>>
>> http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>> alkalosis
>> hypochloremia
>> anorexia
>
> What if the amount of sodium ions in the body were in
> a healthy state? Would extreme lack of chloride cause
> any significant symptoms?

With chlorine goes sodium, according to the medical literature.
Do you want to substitute another halogen, because that is your
only option?

David A. Smith

Patricia Heil wrote:
> You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
> So much for not dying.

Can't the serum contain sodium ions without chloride ions? If not,
whats stopping such an existence?

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
> With chlorine goes sodium, according to the medical literature.

Not necessarily. Sodium ions can be lone in the body.

> Do you want to substitute another halogen, because that is your
> only option?

Nope.

Dear Radium:

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1169079659.009393.149080@51g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
>> With chlorine goes sodium, according to the
>> medical literature.
>
> Not necessarily. Sodium ions can be lone in the body.

No, they cannot. They are a net positive charge, that is
neutralized by something. If it isn't Cl-, then it will be
OH-... which is much worse.

>> Do you want to substitute another halogen, because
>> that is your only option?
>
> Nope.

Afraid so.

David A. Smith

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
> No, they cannot. They are a net positive charge, that is
> neutralized by something. If it isn't Cl-, then it will be
> OH-... which is much worse.

Damn! I lose again!!

Radium wrote:
>
> Patricia Heil wrote:
> > You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
> > So much for not dying.
>
> Can't the serum contain sodium ions without chloride ions? If not,
> whats stopping such an existence?

You need some sort of counterion. If it's not
chloride ion, what is it?

Dear Radium:

Radium wrote:
> N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
> > No, they cannot. They are a net positive charge, that is
> > neutralized by something. If it isn't Cl-, then it will be
> > OH-... which is much worse.
>
> Damn! I lose again!!

If you learned something, what have you lost?

David A. Smith

Jason Johnson wrote:
> In article <1169067360.410377.86750@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.c om>, "TC"
> <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu.../chlorine.html
>
> "Dietary requirements for chlorine have not been established because
> dietary deficiencies have not been observed."
>
> TC
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I wanted to answer the question that was in the orginal post which was:
>
> What are the symptoms of acute chloride deficiency?
>
> I have a reference book related to understanding blood test results. I
> looked up the word "chloride" and found the following information:
>
>
> CHLORIDE:
> A score [on a blood test] that is below the Lab Reference Range may indicate:
>
> The adrenal gland deficiency known as Addison's Disease
>
> Intestinal obstruction
>
> Metabolic Acidosis common in diabetics

http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm

No mention of chloride in relation to Addisons's Disease.

TC

In message <1169079751.781756.243060@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups .com>, Radium wrote:
> Patricia Heil wrote:

>> You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
>> So much for not dying.
>
> Can't the serum contain sodium ions without chloride ions? If not,
> whats stopping such an existence?

Sure -- you could have hydroxyl ions instead, in which case you'd
have a blood pH of about 12 and die.

Or you could have acetate ions instead, in which case acetate
toxicity would be lethal.

Or you could have fluoride ions instead, in which case the
neurotoxicity of hyperfluorosis would kill you stone dead.

There are, after all, *lots* of anions. Substituting any of
them for all of the (copious) chlorine in your body would be
quite, quite lethal. Don't assume that Mother Nature is
totally clueless.

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In message <1169066199.040574.190520@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>, Radium wrote:

> Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> matter what I ate.

True -- you'd be stone dead.

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> But just what do you think gastric fluid
> consists of?

"Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine."

How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?

In article <45afa159$0$258$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu> ,
capmack@shipper.com wrote:

> But just what do you think gastric fluid
> consists of?

"Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine."

How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I found a book in my small book collection related to this subject. It's a
200 page book related to the dangers of table salt (sodium chloride). One
of the authors is a medical doctor. The authors claim that sodium chloride
is the cause of high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease,
osteoporosis and asthma.

"The Salt Solution" by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty and Richard, D. Moore, M.D.

I am salt sensitive and learned that I can control my Blood pressure and
fluid retention problem by limiting the salt in my diet and eating foods
(eg bananas) that increase the amount of potassium in my diet.

After you read the above mentioned book, you will be an expert related to
sodium chloride and will no longer need to ask questions about this subject.

Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > But just what do you think gastric fluid
> > consists of?
>
> "Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> matter what I ate.
>
> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?
>
> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine."
>
> How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
> likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
> what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
> and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>I found a book in my small book collection related to this subject. It's a
>200 page book related to the dangers of table salt (sodium chloride). One
>of the authors is a medical doctor. The authors claim that sodium chloride
>is the cause of high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease,
>osteoporosis and asthma.
>
>"The Salt Solution" by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty and Richard, D. Moore, M.D
>.
>
>I am salt sensitive and learned that I can control my Blood pressure and
>fluid retention problem by limiting the salt in my diet and eating foods
>(eg bananas) that increase the amount of potassium in my diet.
>
>After you read the above mentioned book, you will be an expert related to
>sodium chloride and will no longer need to ask questions about this subject.

My questions to him were rhetorical. They were to be an education for
him in answering them.

As for salt sensitivity when added in excess to food, it is a genetic
factor affecting some of the population, it is not a blanket statement
to
say we don't need it.

Which of the two elements in salt is the source of salt sensitivity,
"sodium chloride"? What would happen if all salt were removed from your
body? Why is a craving for salt so strong in humans and some other
animals? What is it about human blood that reminds us of an evolutionary
origin as animals in the sea? Along with a metallic taste, what other
substance can be detected in blood by taste?

Radium:
:
> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> disappear?


Permanent deadness.

Actually you don't have any chlorine in your body. You do however have a
lot of chlorides, and I assume that's what you were talking about.


> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all.

Yes we do.


> Really, at all.

No really, we do.


> I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

There are no mysterios powers, and if you really want to die there are
simpler ways.


--
Erlend Meyer

When I am king you will be first against the wall

Radium wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> :
>
>>But just what do you think gastric fluid
>>consists of?
>
>
> Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> matter what I ate.
>
> Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> disappear?
>
> AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine.
>


choride is an essential element.

see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html

j.

cognite tute wrote:
> Radium wrote:
> > Richard Schultz wrote in
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.l...0d834a5?hl=en&
> > :
> >
> >>But just what do you think gastric fluid
> >>consists of?
> >
> >
> > Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
> > myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
> > matter what I ate.
> >
> > Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
> > mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
> > disappear?
> >
> > AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
> > mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
> > unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.
> >
> > I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> > chlorine.
> >
>
>
> choride is an essential element.
>
> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>
> j.

That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
poison.

TC

> choride is an essential element.
>
> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html

"That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
poison."

As par for the course you did not refer to the link or you would know in
the first paragraph alone why the above is pure rhetorical bombast. If
we need an "anti" sound bite on any subject we need only turn to you,
even if only generic noise for any occasion.

Radium wrote:

<snip>

>
> I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
> chlorine.


Well, if your body had much chlorine to begin with, you'd already be
hurtin'. I mean scorched lungs, burned skin and eyes...it's a really
nasty substance.

If you're talking about chlor*IDE*, a sudden loss of all your body's
chloride would result in a sudden loss of life. It is essential to the
function of basically every cell in your body.

Mark, MD

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:01:27 -0800, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
wrote:

>
>I found a book in my small book collection related to this subject. It's a
>200 page book related to the dangers of table salt (sodium chloride). One
>of the authors is a medical doctor. The authors claim that sodium chloride
>is the cause of high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease,
>osteoporosis and asthma.
>
>"The Salt Solution" by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty and Richard, D. Moore, M.D.
>
>I am salt sensitive and learned that I can control my Blood pressure and
>fluid retention problem by limiting the salt in my diet and eating foods
>(eg bananas) that increase the amount of potassium in my diet.


That has nothing to do with chlorine (or chloride). It is the sodium
that is the culprit (for those who are sensitive to it). Potassium
chloride is sold as a salt substitute for those who want/need to
reduce sodium intake.

bob

On 18 Jan 2007 06:35:23 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm
>
>No mention of chloride in relation to Addisons's Disease.

quote:

"Because of salt loss, a craving for salty foods also is common."

Troll, or moron, which is it?


jack

On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> choride is an essential element.
>>
>> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>>
>> j.
>
>That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
>chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
>poison.

Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.

Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.

jack

spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007 06:35:23 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm
> >
> >No mention of chloride in relation to Addisons's Disease.
>
> quote:
>
> "Because of salt loss, a craving for salty foods also is common."
>
> Troll, or moron, which is it?
>
>
> jack

Salt is not chloride, nor is it sodium. Both, by themselves, are
dangerous and deadly. Salt is Sodium Chloride. Which is a safe compound
to consume only in that form. You should know that.

TC

spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> choride is an essential element.
> >>
> >> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
> >>
> >> j.
> >
> >That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
> >chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
> >poison.
>
> Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.
>
> Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
> impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
> 100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.
>
> jack

You should learn a bit about bio-chemistry. Sodium Chloride is not the
same as Sodium or Chloride or Sodium and Chloride. Sodium is deadly.
Chloride is deadly. Sodium Chloride is salt and is safe and edible.

TC

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169224239.376386.173010@38g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> choride is an essential element.
>> >>
>> >> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>> >>
>> >> j.
>> >
>> >That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
>> >chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
>> >poison.
>>
>> Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.
>>
>> Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
>> impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
>> 100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.
>>
>> jack
>
> You should learn a bit about bio-chemistry. Sodium Chloride is not the
> same as Sodium or Chloride or Sodium and Chloride. Sodium is deadly.
> Chloride is deadly. Sodium Chloride is salt and is safe and edible.
>
> TC
>

Yes, in very limited quantities, otherwise the level of "sodium" in the body
gets too high.

In article <qas0r2p6hs7j7q04qovl9l3dm1affe4h6t@4ax.com>,
spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:

On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> choride is an essential element.
>>
>> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>>
>> j.
>
>That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
>chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
>poison.

Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.

Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.

jack

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

jack,
You are 100 per cent correct. I am on a low salt diet and now check the
labels on every food product that I buy. Many products (eg soup) contains
really high lables of salt. It's difficult to find low salt foods in most
grocery stores. I now buy most of my food at the local health food store.
They even sell soup that has NO salt. Most people do not realize that they
eat MUCH for table salt than what they should eat. I do believe that
eating too much salt can cause blood pressure problems in many
people--especially if they are above the age of 50.
jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jason Johnson wrote:
> In article <qas0r2p6hs7j7q04qovl9l3dm1affe4h6t@4ax.com>,
> spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
>
> On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> choride is an essential element.
> >>
> >> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
> >>
> >> j.
> >
> >That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
> >chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
> >poison.
>
> Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.
>
> Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
> impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
> 100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.
>
> jack
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> jack,
> You are 100 per cent correct. I am on a low salt diet and now check the
> labels on every food product that I buy. Many products (eg soup) contains
> really high lables of salt. It's difficult to find low salt foods in most
> grocery stores. I now buy most of my food at the local health food store.
> They even sell soup that has NO salt. Most people do not realize that they
> eat MUCH for table salt than what they should eat. I do believe that
> eating too much salt can cause blood pressure problems in many
> people--especially if they are above the age of 50.
> jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In terms of causation, this is largely a myth. Only one in four is
genetically predisposed to high sodium retention, and the available
science shows clearly that a salt-restricted diet is not associated
with fewer cardiovascular events or disease [ref.
http://www.saltinstitute.org/28.html.] People forget that most
bio-markers for "disease" are just coincident phenomenon that have
nothing to do with causation. That means two people can have the same
bio-markers without having the same (or any) disease response. One
half of all heart attacks occur in people with "normal" cholesterol
readings. Although blood pressure is commonly associated with disease
rates, this does not mean your particular bio-markers are a forecast.
The RDI for sodium intake is larger than for any other nutrient, so it
should come as no surprise that reduced salt intake is not going to
make a hill of beans difference to longevity. The antagonist/synergist
relationship characteristic of every mineral, including the
electrolytes, means we should pay more attention to the potential
imbalance in serum mineral ratios rather than try to manage our disease
risk with one of many possible co-factors. If you want to improve you
disease risk, observe whether you are sensitive to salt retention. If
you are, you will experience edema, and that is indeed a heart
stressor. If not, then sodium intake is not an issue for you. A diet
that *does* represent an improvement in your disease risk profile is
one low in grains (not more than 15% of total caloric intake, with a
preference for sprouted grains), low to no dairy (not more than 15% of
caloric intake, with a preference for cultured or raw dairy), grass-fed
meat if you are not a vegetarian (not more than 15% of total caloric
intake), and fruits and vegetables making up the remaining 55-70%. To
be sure you get adequate potassium, eat one whole avocado or several
bananas each week. Eat wild salmon twice or more monthly, or you can
take 2tsp of quality cod liver oil daily. Eat a variety of *raw* nuts
several times a week. Avoid packaged foods (for MANY reasons more
important than sodium levels.) Do all that and you'll liver longer
than most people with equivalent genetics.

PeterB

spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> choride is an essential element.
>>>
>>> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
>>>
>>> j.
>> That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
>> chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
>> poison.
>
> Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.
>
> Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
> impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
> 100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.

I live right on the (salt)water and that stuff is corrosive, just from
the atmosphere.

Jason Johnson wrote:
> In article <qas0r2p6hs7j7q04qovl9l3dm1affe4h6t@4ax.com>,
> spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
>
> On 18 Jan 2007 13:29:14 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> choride is an essential element.
> >>
> >> see http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html
> >>
> >> j.
> >
> >That is nonsense being advocated by industries that have excess
> >chloride to sell. Kinda like what they did with fluoride, another
> >poison.
>
> Excess chloride to sell? You are obsessed by your hatred of industry.
>
> Look sunshine, sodium chloride is essential to life. But, it is almost
> impossible to show a deficiency because of its omnipresence. Within
> 100 miles of the sea, it is even in the atmosphere.
>
> jack
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> jack,
> You are 100 per cent correct. I am on a low salt diet and now check the
> labels on every food product that I buy. Many products (eg soup) contains
> really high lables of salt. It's difficult to find low salt foods in most
> grocery stores. I now buy most of my food at the local health food store.
> They even sell soup that has NO salt. Most people do not realize that they
> eat MUCH for table salt than what they should eat. I do believe that
> eating too much salt can cause blood pressure problems in many
> people--especially if they are above the age of 50.
> jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It also makes you retain water, which can affect your pressure and your
heart.

I do not have table salt in my home. There is NO need for it.

Mark wrote:
> If you're talking about chlor*IDE*,

Yes I am.

> a sudden loss of all your body's
> chloride would result in a sudden loss of life. It is essential to the
> function of basically every cell in your body.

What symptoms specific to acute chlorine loss would occur before death?