Bye-bye to the 5s

FurPaw wrote the following on 1/1/2008 10:15 AM:

> I found out that there is a Red Hat Society in my town when I
> walked in an Alzheimer's Memory Walk last year - they showed up
> wearing purple shirts and read hats. Kewl!

We're all over the place. And pretty hard to miss. ;-) I took my then 17
YO daughter to a gathering in a food court once. "Mom, do you realize
that everyone is *staring* at you?"

Karen R.

FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> > FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:
>
> >> I guess I'll become less visible as time goes by.
> >
> > Only if you let it. I had a friend who was old enough to be my mother,
> > and she always wore brightly colored clothes. She knew that her graying
> > hair would make her less noticeable, so she dressed herself up. Everyone
> > notices color and style.
>
> I suppose - I've never felt comfortable dressing flamboyantly,
> although I certainly don't avoid color.

She wasn't flamboyant; she just avoided the beiges and grays that so
many elderly seem to fall in love with (adding to their colorlessness).
She was not a good-looking woman, but she had a very friendly face and
disposition to match. She also got quite fat with age. However, she
always dressed herself in flattering colors and styles, and when
travelling, she chose colors that would stand out in a crowd of
tourists. No, not hot pink (that would be my choice), but an emerald
green. Considering that the travelling world tends to wear navy, black
and beige, green stands out. I found her inspiring and admired her taste
and class.

My mother also makes sure to dress in her best colors and also chooses
flattering cuts. Another graying, overweight woman, but she looks classy
(and a bit fun; she wears "artistic" earrings I wouldn't and it works!).

One of the things the two women I've just described have in common, is
that they both took one of those "color me a season" tests and allowed
themselves to wear the brighter colors in their palettes. And they
look/ed good doing it.

Flowery blouses, white cardigans, and 15 shades of putty in the closet
are not for everyone. No, you're not flamboyant, but your voice on this
group tells me that neither are you boring nor ordinary. Far from it.
Find your inner crimson, grrl!

> >> I think more about what I've accomplished, and failed to
> >> accomplish. I try not to compare myself with some of my peers
> >> from my teens and 20s and 30s, but I do, and I find myself
> >> lacking.
>
> > The fact that you have peers in that age group says a lot about you.
> > You're aren't isolated, tucked away, un-with-it, but still associating
> > with all sorts of people.
>
> Actually, I was thinking of people my age, whom I knew when we
> were younger together. I do know and work with younger people,
> but I wouldn't consider myself "with it" - but then, I wasn't
> 'with it' in my youth, either.

That may be an advantage. Those of us who don't act our age, tend also
not to show it. (That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. ;-) )

> >> Today I'm starting my "60 by 61" program - lose 60 lb. by my 61st
> >> birthday.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to the big whoop of joy when you succeed. Even if I
> > have to imagine it by reading your words. You'll still be posting here,
> > yes?
>
> You'll hear it! And I enjoy the virtual company of this group,
> so I expect I'll still be around annoying the scammers and
> passing out advice :-).

I have no meno-woes (for now) but this is one of the best places to hang
out on the great wide web, so I stay.

> >> I need to figure out what else I want to do with the rest of my
> >> life, and this picture is unclear. Some goals, even small ones,
> >> would help lift this feeling of drifting aimlessly. So I guess
> >> one of my first goals is to develop some goals.
> >
> > Here's one: Enjoy your day. Happy Birthday, {{{{{Furry}}}}}!
>
> Thanks, Keera!!!

You're welcome! And Happy New Year!

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

marcy <ngtybtnice@aol.com> wrote:

> HAPPY BIRTHDAY FURPAW.
>
> Today is my birthday, too...

Happy belated, Marcy!


--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:
>
>> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>>> FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:
>>>> I guess I'll become less visible as time goes by.
>>> Only if you let it. I had a friend who was old enough to be my mother,
>>> and she always wore brightly colored clothes. She knew that her graying
>>> hair would make her less noticeable, so she dressed herself up. Everyone
>>> notices color and style.
>> I suppose - I've never felt comfortable dressing flamboyantly,
>> although I certainly don't avoid color.
>
> She wasn't flamboyant; she just avoided the beiges and grays that so
> many elderly seem to fall in love with (adding to their colorlessness).



<begin Terribly Poignant Story 8~) >

When i was 12 i fell in love with a beautiful dress.
It was a magenta-y rose red. My grandmother said
she'd buy me anything i wanted, and i begged for the dress,
but she (as she tended to do, since my taste never pleased
her) said "Absolutely NOT, you may NOT wear that color
with your hair!"

And as *I* tended to do, because i was as stubborn as she was,
i badgered her into it. The idea was that i pick it but not
actually get it till Christmas. So at the big family gathering on
Christmas day, i unwrapped it and showed it to my mother who
frowned at it.

I handed it back to my grandmother and sadly said she was
right, it seemed that the consensus was that i looked awful in
that color. Triumphantly she returned it. Don't know what i got
in its place. Something %*&$ing green i'm sure. I heard
"redheaded redheaded redheaded " all my life till i was ready to
go effing postal.

Nobody was ever happier to have her hair start whitening than i
was!! Still in process, but i no longer care what colors i'm
"supposed" to wear, and if i did, the joy of white hair is:
*everything* goes with it!

--
pax,
ruth
Cheerfully aging in SC!


Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

In article <dtidnTYcup82_-fanZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@comcast.com>,
FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> I've managed two! days! of
> walking in a row! and expect to continue. Oppie doesn't seem to
> mind being left behind as much if I take him for his short walk
> first.

Is he one of your little guys? If so, maybe he could take the rest of
your walk with you, riding in a backpack?

Priscilla

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FurPaw wrote:

> Thanks, Susan! Today, I think the goal will be to rediscover the color
> of the top of my desk.
>

Mine is still dark brown, and the hall closet floor is still oak!

Good luck!

Susan

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:5tvjd1F1frsntU2@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> FurPaw wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Susan! Today, I think the goal will be to rediscover the color
>> of the top of my desk.
>>
>
> Mine is still dark brown, and the hall closet floor is still oak!

My desk is light brown, but I haven't seen the hall closet's floor since...
well, a very long time!

>
> Good luck!

Yep!

Cathy

>
> Susan

Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:5tvjd1F1frsntU2@mid.individual.net...
> > and the hall closet floor is still oak!
>
> My desk is light brown, but I haven't seen the hall closet's floor since...
> well, a very long time!

Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

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Keera Ann Fox wrote:

>
> Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?
>

Well, YUH. But only if you have enough of them.

Or a basement and a garage.

The one I cleaned was very uncharacteristic of me, and I finally felt
energetic enough to tackle it the other day. I love throwing stuff out,
it's very liberating. I found a lot of expensive meds I no longer use
to donate to others, too; those boxes are the only two things on the floor.

And now I can see everything I have, so I won't buy duplicates of
toiletries!

Susan

Keera Ann Fox wrote:

> Find your inner crimson, grrl!

ROFL! I might just do that!

> That may be an advantage. Those of us who don't act our age, tend also
> not to show it. (That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. ;-) )

My mother didn't act her age until she was in her late 70s, and
yes, she aged rapidly after that. She had fibromyalgia, which
really slowed her down.

> I have no meno-woes (for now) but this is one of the best places to hang
> out on the great wide web, so I stay.

I agree! And I'm glad you do stay!

> And Happy New Year!
Same to you!

FurPaw



--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <dtidnTYcup82_-fanZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:
>
>> I've managed two! days! of
>> walking in a row! and expect to continue. Oppie doesn't seem to
>> mind being left behind as much if I take him for his short walk
>> first.
>
> Is he one of your little guys? If so, maybe he could take the rest of
> your walk with you, riding in a backpack?

No, Oppie's my 70 lb Lab. And Chile, at 6.5 lb, is not
interested in going on a walk, Thenkewveddymuch. She mostly
wants to sleep, these days.

FurPaw
--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

nickelshrink wrote:
> I heard
> "redheaded redheaded redheaded " all my life till i was ready to
> go effing postal.

When I was a kid, there were rather stringent 'rules' about what
redheads could wear, and pink and red were Not Allowed. Didn't
the free-wheeling hippie generation throw all of those out? Or
did they come creeping back?

> Nobody was ever happier to have her hair start whitening than i
> was!! Still in process, but i no longer care what colors i'm
> "supposed" to wear, and if i did, the joy of white hair is:
> *everything* goes with it!

Yes, it does - 'specially purple! One reason I don't mind my
white hair is that my childhood blond turned mousy brown in
adulthood, and it has returned to a blondish white (more yellow
than gray).

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> FurPaw wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Susan! Today, I think the goal will be to rediscover the
>> color of the top of my desk.
>>
>
> Mine is still dark brown, and the hall closet floor is still oak!

Ooh, that's good! I have no idea what color the hall closet
floor is. One half of the desktop is still teak (haven't gotten
to the other one), and the inside walls of the freezer are still
white. And I had no idea I'd amassed such a collection of TJ's
crab cakes. Fortunately, they are shrink-wrapped and seem to
keep well in the freezer.

> Good luck!
>
> Susan


--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ia2aw6.sc9jasxhnjjcN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@on line.no...
> Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:
>
>> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5tvjd1F1frsntU2@mid.individual.net...
>> > and the hall closet floor is still oak!
>>
>> My desk is light brown, but I haven't seen the hall closet's floor
>> since...
>> well, a very long time!
>
> Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?

;-)

I assume they must since all of the stuff in my hall closet hasn't fallen
down through to the cellar.

Cathy


>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:31:12 -0500, "Cathy F."
<clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:

>I assume they must since all of the stuff in my hall closet hasn't fallen
>down through to the cellar.

In my case that would be a good thing, all my closets would be clean
and neat. I don't have a cellar, so the junk would just disappear
which is not a bad thing either.

After visiting my "minimalist decorating" daughter for Christmas I
have decided less is better. I am getting rid of stuff here.

Dana

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

On Jan 1, 4:06*pm, FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:
> nickelshrink wrote:
> > I heard
> > "redheaded redheaded redheaded " all my life till i was ready to
> > go effing postal.
>
> When I was a kid, there were rather stringent 'rules' about what
> redheads could wear, and pink and red were Not Allowed. *Didn't
> the free-wheeling hippie generation throw all of those out? *Or
> did they come creeping back?
>
> > Nobody was ever happier to have her hair start whitening than i
> > was!! *Still in process, but i no longer care what colors i'm
> > "supposed" to wear, and if i did, the joy of white hair is:
> > *everything* goes with it!
>
> Yes, it does - 'specially purple! *One reason I don't mind my
> white hair is that my childhood blond turned mousy brown in
> adulthood, and it has returned to a blondish white (more yellow
> than gray).
>
> FurPaw

Most of my female contemporaries have dyed gray hair, while I wait and
hope my hair will go gray or white. Does anyone else have this
problem: I'm outside so much that despite all efforts to cover it up,
my reddish blond hair bleaches platinum by the end of summer. Then in
winter, I have these dark roots growing out. Since menopause, my
hair's grown out even darker, but still ends up bleached nearly white.
It's gotten so unsightly that I dye my hair darker every October, all
except the roots (the opposite of what everyone else is doing).
However, so-called permanent hair dye seems to wash out rather fast.
My neighbor said to try henna, that it might last longer. Meanwhile,
I'm glad to see that I'm finally getting some white hairs, but the
conversion is complicated by the the fact that I'm dyeing them along
with the rest of my hair.
Also wondering, has anyone heard that unlike other colors, gray and
white hair conduct UV rays to the scalp? I read somewhere that people
who turn gray at a very early age are more likely to get scalp
cancer. If that's true, sun-bleached hair doesn't seem so bad.
Hope you can keep up the walking, 'Paw. I've found that no amount of
starving myself maintains my figure as well as a steady exercise
regimen.
Les



> --
> "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
> a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
> those who are cold and are not clothed."
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
> To reply, unleash the dogs.

FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> nickelshrink wrote:
> > I heard
> > "redheaded redheaded redheaded " all my life till i was ready to
> > go effing postal.
>
> When I was a kid, there were rather stringent 'rules' about what
> redheads could wear, and pink and red were Not Allowed. Didn't
> the free-wheeling hippie generation throw all of those out? Or
> did they come creeping back?

Well, actually, considering that most redheads have a warm tone to their
skin (as in not blue or pink), baby pink and raspberry red would be
awful on them. Salmon pink and tomato red would work better.

> > Nobody was ever happier to have her hair start whitening than i
> > was!! Still in process, but i no longer care what colors i'm
> > "supposed" to wear, and if i did, the joy of white hair is:
> > *everything* goes with it!
>
> Yes, it does - 'specially purple! One reason I don't mind my
> white hair is that my childhood blond turned mousy brown in
> adulthood, and it has returned to a blondish white (more yellow
> than gray).

I like purple, but can wear very few shades of it. I need to stop buying
so much navy, though. It looks good on me, but so do brighter colors.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> > Find your inner crimson, grrl!
>
> ROFL! I might just do that!
>
> > That may be an advantage. Those of us who don't act our age, tend also
> > not to show it. (That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. ;-) )
>
> My mother didn't act her age until she was in her late 70s, and
> yes, she aged rapidly after that. She had fibromyalgia, which
> really slowed her down.

To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
but it does seem to relate to state of mind.

I guess our face reflects not our age, but our attitude, and the moment
we no longer enjoy getting older, we get old.

> > I have no meno-woes (for now) but this is one of the best places to hang
> > out on the great wide web, so I stay.
>
> I agree! And I'm glad you do stay!

Why, thank you! :-)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> >
> > Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?
> >
>
> Well, YUH. But only if you have enough of them.
>
> Or a basement and a garage.

Next you'll be telling me those have floors, too.

> The one I cleaned was very uncharacteristic of me, and I finally felt
> energetic enough to tackle it the other day. I love throwing stuff out,
> it's very liberating. I found a lot of expensive meds I no longer use
> to donate to others, too; those boxes are the only two things on the floor.

Ah, yes, I knew there was another New Year's resolution around here I
was supposed to take note of. Back to following FlyLady, again (it
actually does me a lot of emotional good).

> And now I can see everything I have, so I won't buy duplicates of
> toiletries!

I remember having a thought like that. Famous last words, woman. ;-)
Toiletries are always in multiples, especially the ones that don't get
used up fast.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:

> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
> news:1ia2aw6.sc9jasxhnjjcN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@on line.no...
> > Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5tvjd1F1frsntU2@mid.individual.net...
> >> > and the hall closet floor is still oak!
> >>
> >> My desk is light brown, but I haven't seen the hall closet's floor
> >> since...
> >> well, a very long time!
> >
> > Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?
>
> ;-)
>
> I assume they must since all of the stuff in my hall closet hasn't fallen
> down through to the cellar.

Lucky girl. I suspect my things simply weave themselves together and
hold up everything else. This is why, when I try to take out only one
item, at least a half dozen other items come out with it.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Jan 2, 6:22 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
wrote:
>
> To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
>

for some of us, it happens in our 40s. one day great, the next day
it's like the aging process accelerated to that of dogs (so that 1
ellen year is 7 human years). don't think it had anything in
particular to do with my state of mind. but i do think that i've
missed that window of opportunity to go to a high school reunion as
one of the 'aging well' attendees.

ellen

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Keera Ann Fox wrote:

> Next you'll be telling me those have floors, too.

Shocking, I know, but yeah.

That's what shelves are for.

> Ah, yes, I knew there was another New Year's resolution around here I
> was supposed to take note of. Back to following FlyLady, again (it
> actually does me a lot of emotional good).

I wish my sister, whose stuff is completely unmanageable and cluttering
her life would check into that site.

> I remember having a thought like that. Famous last words, woman. ;-)
> Toiletries are always in multiples, especially the ones that don't get
> used up fast.

Oh, I have multiples at all times, but right now, due to the period I
couldn't see anything, I have quadruples!

Susan

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ia383a.1ofgxefm0gl4vN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
> Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:
>
>> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
>> news:1ia2aw6.sc9jasxhnjjcN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@on line.no...
>> > Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:5tvjd1F1frsntU2@mid.individual.net...
>> >> > and the hall closet floor is still oak!
>> >>
>> >> My desk is light brown, but I haven't seen the hall closet's floor
>> >> since...
>> >> well, a very long time!
>> >
>> > Huh, wha- ? Do closets have floors?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> I assume they must since all of the stuff in my hall closet hasn't fallen
>> down through to the cellar.
>
> Lucky girl. I suspect my things simply weave themselves together and
> hold up everything else. This is why, when I try to take out only one
> item, at least a half dozen other items come out with it.

Oh, well - that particular scenario occurs here, too. ;-)

Cathy


>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ia38nm.1bpurvd1pz65jmN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@ online.no...
>
> To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
---------------
When I was sick my face and body aged 10 years in a few months. I used to
look 10 years younger than I was, now I look 5-10 years older. Wait, then I
guess that means I actually aged 15 or 20 years in a few months. I don't
want to think about it!
---------------
> I guess our face reflects not our age, but our attitude, and the moment
> we no longer enjoy getting older, we get old.
-------------
That's a poetic view.....it might have more to do with physical and/or
emotional stress.

Eva

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> > Next you'll be telling me those have floors, too.
>
> Shocking, I know, but yeah.
>
> That's what shelves are for.

Shelves? We don't need no stinkin' shelves. ;-)

I have a wonderfully precarious stack in one shelfless closet. And maybe
one day I'll actually try to empty said closet.

> > Ah, yes, I knew there was another New Year's resolution around here I
> > was supposed to take note of. Back to following FlyLady, again (it
> > actually does me a lot of emotional good).
>
> I wish my sister, whose stuff is completely unmanageable and cluttering
> her life would check into that site.

FlyLady's fine for us easily distracted types that just never learned a
routine for anything, and got our piles that way. Some of the followers
do have depression or other problems (like hoarding) that interfere with
normal housekeeping and/or with normal shopping behavior.

> > I remember having a thought like that. Famous last words, woman. ;-)
> > Toiletries are always in multiples, especially the ones that don't get
> > used up fast.
>
> Oh, I have multiples at all times, but right now, due to the period I
> couldn't see anything, I have quadruples!

You'll never run out!

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 2, 6:22 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> wrote:
> >
> > To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> > seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> > wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> > suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> > realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> > to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> > 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> > but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
>
> for some of us, it happens in our 40s. one day great, the next day
> it's like the aging process accelerated to that of dogs (so that 1
> ellen year is 7 human years). don't think it had anything in
> particular to do with my state of mind. but i do think that i've
> missed that window of opportunity to go to a high school reunion as
> one of the 'aging well' attendees.

You might make up for it by looking "old" for so long, nobody realizes
you're aging. (Like the actor Lorne Greene. Remember him? He was
white-haired for so long, most people were surprised that he hadn't been
in his 70's the whole time.)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Eva <EvaDStructionNOT@NOTverizon.net> wrote:

> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
> news:1ia38nm.1bpurvd1pz65jmN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@ online.no...
> >
> > To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> > seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> > wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> > suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> > realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> > to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> > 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> > but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
> ---------------
> When I was sick my face and body aged 10 years in a few months. I used to
> look 10 years younger than I was, now I look 5-10 years older. Wait, then I
> guess that means I actually aged 15 or 20 years in a few months. I don't
> want to think about it!
> ---------------
> > I guess our face reflects not our age, but our attitude, and the moment
> > we no longer enjoy getting older, we get old.
> -------------
> That's a poetic view.....it might have more to do with physical and/or
> emotional stress.

I'm sure illness and other pressures in life factor in. Many things can
make a person suddenly feel - and look - old. However, in the people I
saw this sudden "oh, I'm getting older, better start looking it" change,
there hadn't been any physical illness.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:08:22 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
(Keera Ann Fox) wrote:

>I'm sure illness and other pressures in life factor in. Many things can
>make a person suddenly feel - and look - old. However, in the people I
>saw this sudden "oh, I'm getting older, better start looking it" change,
>there hadn't been any physical illness.

I have heard that diabetes causes you to look older and I fear it may
be true. I am always mistaken for older than I am, but I have to say
that it has been true all my life, even before diabetes. Strangers
used to think my mother and I were sisters, and I always thought it
was because she looked so young. Now I wonder if it was because I
looked older. I try to blame it on my gray hair but I can't really put
it on any one thing.

Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

On Jan 3, 1:03 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
wrote:
> ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 6:22 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> > wrote:
>
> > > To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> > > seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> > > wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> > > suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> > > realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> > > to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> > > 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> > > but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
>
> > for some of us, it happens in our 40s. one day great, the next day
> > it's like the aging process accelerated to that of dogs (so that 1
> > ellen year is 7 human years). don't think it had anything in
> > particular to do with my state of mind. but i do think that i've
> > missed that window of opportunity to go to a high school reunion as
> > one of the 'aging well' attendees.
>
> You might make up for it by looking "old" for so long, nobody realizes
> you're aging. (Like the actor Lorne Greene. Remember him? He was
> white-haired for so long, most people were surprised that he hadn't been
> in his 70's the whole time.)
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/

now, that thought never occurred to me. keera, i think we need to
bottle your upbeat attitude so that those of us who are suffer from
impaired optimism may use it as a tonic. how much of attitude/outlook
is temperament? the result of life's events? proactive cultivation?
all of the above? none? something else?

i have found that, in general, pretty much all of the immigrant women
in my neighborhood from anywhere in the world (& no matter the age)
will hit me with an honest assessment of how i appear to them on any
given day (which may also mean i'm not consistently looking like
hell). this is generally ok, though sometimes i wouldn't mind one of
those youngsters of a wee age who always favorably guess my age in the
dramatically wrong direction.

ellen

x-no-archive: yes

Keera Ann Fox wrote:

> You'll never run out!
>


That's what I'm afraid of! Some of the multiples (toothbrushes, facial
moisturizers, body lotions, etc.) are products I no longer use because
I've switched to others.

At least I know I'll use all the t.p. :-)

Susan

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 3, 1:03 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> wrote:
> > ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 2, 6:22 am, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > To get a little bit serious: I've observed that people tend to not
> > > > seemingly age for a good while, even if their hair grays and skin
> > > > wrinkles. They still seem to look like themselves, as it were. And then,
> > > > suddenly, there's a year where they seem to gain 10 in age, and you
> > > > realize they are getting old and looking it. That age varies from person
> > > > to person (some people do this in their 50's, others not until their
> > > > 80's). I haven't yet worked out if it has anything to with longevity,
> > > > but it does seem to relate to state of mind.
> >
> > > for some of us, it happens in our 40s. one day great, the next day
> > > it's like the aging process accelerated to that of dogs (so that 1
> > > ellen year is 7 human years). don't think it had anything in
> > > particular to do with my state of mind. but i do think that i've
> > > missed that window of opportunity to go to a high school reunion as
> > > one of the 'aging well' attendees.
> >
> > You might make up for it by looking "old" for so long, nobody realizes
> > you're aging. (Like the actor Lorne Greene. Remember him? He was
> > white-haired for so long, most people were surprised that he hadn't been
> > in his 70's the whole time.)
>
> now, that thought never occurred to me. keera, i think we need to
> bottle your upbeat attitude so that those of us who are suffer from
> impaired optimism may use it as a tonic. how much of attitude/outlook
> is temperament? the result of life's events? proactive cultivation?
> all of the above? none? something else?

Oh, dear, where to start? :-) Short answer: I'm a Sagittarian and that
sign is described as the optimist of the zodiac.

Longer answer: All of the above. I find Pollyanna utterly annoying and
Ebenezer Scrooge a kindred spirit. My grandma had an inborn positive
outlook in life (in spite of childhood abuses), and I do believe that
was a corrective for me while I was growing up (she raised me during
crucial years). I was a very serious (and somewhat traumatized) child,
and I'm still a worry-wart. I'm better at cheering on other people than
I am myself. And that is why I use faith and affirmations to control my
thinking. I know that taking a dark view of things (or myself) is not
helpful. I am also solution-oriented, which makes me respond more like a
man than a woman when a girlfriend is crying her eyes out on my
shoulder. :-)

> i have found that, in general, pretty much all of the immigrant women
> in my neighborhood from anywhere in the world (& no matter the age)
> will hit me with an honest assessment of how i appear to them on any
> given day (which may also mean i'm not consistently looking like
> hell).

That sort of accuracy rather fascinates me. I used to be very good at
guessing people's age, but as I've gotten older, I've lost the ability.
Everybody looks younger than their years to me now.

> this is generally ok, though sometimes i wouldn't mind one of
> those youngsters of a wee age who always favorably guess my age in the
> dramatically wrong direction.

Aren't those wonderful? :-D

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> > You'll never run out!
>
> That's what I'm afraid of! Some of the multiples (toothbrushes, facial
> moisturizers, body lotions, etc.) are products I no longer use because
> I've switched to others.

I add body lotion to shower gel to make it less drying, and spare
toothbrushes can be used (and tossed) by guests (or when you're
travelling). Facial moisturizers have to be tossed if they're more than
two years old, anyway.

> At least I know I'll use all the t.p. :-)

:-)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:08:22 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>
> >I'm sure illness and other pressures in life factor in. Many things can
> >make a person suddenly feel - and look - old. However, in the people I
> >saw this sudden "oh, I'm getting older, better start looking it" change,
> >there hadn't been any physical illness.
>
> I have heard that diabetes causes you to look older and I fear it may
> be true. I am always mistaken for older than I am, but I have to say
> that it has been true all my life, even before diabetes. Strangers
> used to think my mother and I were sisters, and I always thought it
> was because she looked so young. Now I wonder if it was because I
> looked older. I try to blame it on my gray hair but I can't really put
> it on any one thing.

Your mother may have had a girlish face, a baby face. But I'll bet you
can't beat the (assumed) 10-year-old girl I once saw in an amusement
park: I kid you not when I tell you she had the face of someone at least
15 years older. It was fascinating to see such a mature face on someone
so young. I wondered what she would look like when she got old(er): If
her face would always be a generation older than her, or if she'd "catch
up".

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Dana© wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:08:22 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>
>> I'