Bye-bye to the 5s

Cathy F. <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote:

> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
> news:1ia8jqr.cc8uxo1axahauN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
> > Isn't it amazing how they seem to be able to reverse their whole selves
> > in a nanosecond?
>
> Or how they can by lying down with their chest facing in one direction
> (side) & their abdomen/back legs almost 180º to their chest?! Talk about
> supple...

So supple, even God can't handle a cat:
<http://www.twolumps.net/d/20060113.html>

(Cracks me up every time I see it.)


--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> A cat we had when I was a child used to drink from the toilet by
> spreading his front legs out against the sides, his back feet on the
> seat. He greatly preferred that to any other source of water. My
> mother was rather horrified, but my father said that after millions of
> years of evolution cats were naturally very good at distinguishing
> between good and bad water, and if the cat thought it was good for
> cats, he was much more inclined to believe the cat than his wife.

Humans keep forgetting: Toilets get flushed with _fresh_ water.

> So the cat was allowed to go on doing it. He always used to lick the
> soles of his feet clean afterwards too. Very fastidious creatures,
> cats :-)

Very. :-)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Jan 5, 10:22 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net>
wrote:
> "ellen" <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6e861a82-6bf3-424e-8fd9-7bb907e379a1@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > - what is the point of wiping something down unless you're actually
> > cleaning it?
>
> So that at least it's more visually appealing!
>
> Cathy


wow, do i feel stupid. thanks for pointing out what should have been
obvious to me.

ellen

"WWWSC #4" <krez56@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Cathy F. wrote the following on 1/5/2008 10:33 PM:
>
>> Her fibrosarcoma - the one that was removed in November - is already
>> showing signs of regrowth... :-(
>
> I'm so sorry.

Thanks. The saving grace is that this is a very latent one - most cats who
experienced this sort of tumor died years ago. Whereas at least Demelza is
already getting up there, age-wise.

Cathy


>
> Karen R.

"ellen" <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 5, 10:33 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net>
> wrote:
<snipped>
>> Her fibrosarcoma - the one that was removed in November - is already
>> showing
>> signs of regrowth... :-(
>>
>> Cathy

>
> cathy,
>
> i'm sorry to hear about that. the dog that i had prior to elsey had a
> sarcoma on one of her front legs & we were able to 'chase it' for
> about 3 years without any major trauma/distress to her. i hope that
> you will have much quality time to come with demelza.

Thanks, Ellen. That was quite a good scenario, re: your dog. We'll see
what happens with this one...

Cathy


>
> ellen

> Toilet water is clean. And I'm sure all the running water in the sink
> has moved most germs down the drain.

>
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafoxm/

maybe so, still i would just as soon not repeat the drinking out of
the toilet scenario.

>
> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> for the toilet seat.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/

at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
seat is cleaner than the sink?

ellen

On Jan 6, 6:01 am, Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>
> And if you're wiping out the crud, soap scum, etc, and removing the
> water, there's no medium for the "germs" to grow in.
>
> A study on hand washing found that it was the *mechanical* action of
> washing the hands in water that removed the germs - "anti-bacterial"
> soaps were no more effective than ordinary soaps in most cases. (and
> that those "hygienic" hot air hand dryers aren't hygienic at all)
>
> --
> Jette Goldie
> je...@blueyonder.co.ukhttp://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
> ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)


ah (light bulb goes on), now i get it. thanks for educating me. i
was raised by wild gerbils.

ellen

"ellen" <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 5, 10:22 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net>
> wrote:
>> "ellen" <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6e861a82-6bf3-424e-8fd9-7bb907e379a1@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > - what is the point of wiping something down unless you're actually
>> > cleaning it?
>>
>> So that at least it's more visually appealing!
>>
>> Cathy
>
>
> wow, do i feel stupid. thanks for pointing out what should have been
> obvious to me.

;-)

Well, I can't *see* the germs that may still be lurking on a 'looks clean'
surface, but I can see grub, film, etc. The latter of which I prefer not to
see. ;-) And any germs that are/were there can live only so long on a dry
surface, so... Plus they're usually only my own germs. Well, & the cats',
but I'm not going to worry about those.

Cathy


>
> ellen
>

ellen wrote:
>> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
>> for the toilet seat.
>>
>> --
>> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/
>
> at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> seat is cleaner than the sink?
>


The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.

--
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

Jette <bosslady@scotlandmail.com> wrote:

> ellen wrote:
> >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> >> for the toilet seat.
> >
> > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> > at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> > seat is cleaner than the sink?
>
> The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.

To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
everything.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNOT@NOTverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:gXLfj.226$4o.106@trndny02...
> >
> > "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
> > news:HdmdnX9TXIJPlOLa4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> >>
> >> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNOT@NOTverizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kDCfj.26$LL6.23@trndny06...
> >> >
> >
> >> > I'm compulsive about closing the bathroom door so the cat can't get
in.
> >> > (That way, if God forbid I forget to close the lid one day, she won't
> > fall
> >> > into the toilet and drown.)
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> My first cat did manage to jump into the toilet twice, accidentally -
she
> >> assumed the lid was down - which it virtually always was (is). Both
times
> >> she sort of ricocheted right back out again. (I saw it happen, both
> > times.)
> >> IOW, she managed to shoot right back out as soon as she landed in
there.
> > It
> >> happened so fast, I don't know what the actual sequence of motions
were -
> >> how she ricocheted back out so quickly/easily. Each time she
immediately
> >> went out into the hallway afterward & just sat there for several
> >> seconds -
> >> as in gathering herself together & wondering what the hell just
> >> happened?!
> > ----------------
> > LOL--I can just picture it. But due to Rosie's persistent tendency to
get
> > herself locked in the closet, I don't have much confidence in her
learning
> > ability. I really fear she would either drown or catch pneumonia.
>
> Well, it certainly can't hurt to make sure she doesn't accidentally fall
in,
> that's for sure.
>
> Demelza has shown no learning ability, re: getting locked in closets. She
> once managed to get shut into my BR closet for ~16 hours - from right
before
> I went to bed one night until after I got home from work the next
afternoon,
> yet she has still snuck into that umpteen times after that. And that 16
> hour stint... when I opened the closet door that afternoon, she calmly
> strolled out as if she'd been in there for a few minutes - didn't even run
> to the litter box or to the food & water bowls. Amazing. But ever since
> then I've made sure I've sighted her in the morning before I take off for
> work.
>
> Her fibrosarcoma - the one that was removed in November - is already
showing
> signs of regrowth... :-(
----------------
I'm sorry. Unfortunately, sarcomas are very aggressive tumors. Poor girl.

Eva

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 3:22 pm, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:
>> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> >> I was faced with that problem when I retired suddenly and
>> >> unexpectedly, due to the coincidence of a bout of bad health and an
>> >> early retirement offer. It takes time for goals to develop. If you're
>> >> like me it's not something you can do, but it's a natural process you
>> >> can encourage. You just have to explore. That means taking time to
>> >> stroll round your environment, with time to stop and look at anything
>> >> that interests you. Drop in now and then on bookshops, libraries,
>> >> galleries, and friends. Visit local beauty spots. Follow your nose.

>> > Sounds good. I've never been much for looking out into the
>> > distant future and deciding on long-range life-time goals, but
>> > not too bad at stumbling over the interesting things. It
>> > certainly explains my zig-zag career!

>> >> Soon you find that certain things have caught your interest and you
>> >> start following them up. Most of them will peter out, but a few of
>> >> them will continue to develop. After a year or few you'll find one day
>> >> that there's so many interesting things you want to do that you're
>> >> just going to have set priorities and concentrate on the most
>> >> important ones.
>>
>> >> You will have acquired goals :-)
>> > :-) And what are your current goals?
>>
>> Get fitter and stronger and lighter, read more books, watch less TV,
>> publish a book, sell a photograph, get paid to demolish a tree,
>> renovate the house sash windows :-)

> get paid to demolish a tree?

Demolishing a tree is what you do when there isn't room to fell
it. You work your way up it removing limbs and lowering them on ropes
to the ground, until you get to the top. Then you come down again,
taking the trunk down in small sections from the top, catching and
lowering them on ropes.

I learned how to demolish trees tidily without breaking greenhouses or
denting the ground when some elms in my garden developed Dutch Elm
disease. The cost of employing tree surgeons was terrifying!

But now that I'm retired, needing some healthy outdoor exercise and
some extra income, looked at from the other side the price of tree
surgery is rather tempting! Like a lot of things it's also fun if you
don't have to do it every day. I've bought the requisite kit from the
widows of dead tree surgeons on ebay. Including a tree surgeon's
hat. It's very important to wear the right hat when trying to impress
folk with your professional skills :-)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On Jan 6, 4:04 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
wrote:
> Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> > ellen wrote:
> > >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> > >> for the toilet seat.
>
> > > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> > > at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> > > seat is cleaner than the sink?
>
> > The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
>
> To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
> everything.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/

i understand that part, just wondering what happens to the e coli.

On Jan 6, 1:04 pm, Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> ellen wrote:
> >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> >> for the toilet seat.
>
> >> --
> >> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/
>
> > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> > at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> > seat is cleaner than the sink?
>
> The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
>
> --
> Jette Goldie
> je...@blueyonder.co.ukhttp://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
> ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

i'll take your word for it, but just to be on the safe side, i'm not
going to lick any of those items.

On Jan 7, 8:17 am, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 3:22 pm, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:
> >> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> >> I was faced with that problem when I retired suddenly and
> >> >> unexpectedly, due to the coincidence of a bout of bad health and an
> >> >> early retirement offer. It takes time for goals to develop. If you're
> >> >> like me it's not something you can do, but it's a natural process you
> >> >> can encourage. You just have to explore. That means taking time to
> >> >> stroll round your environment, with time to stop and look at anything
> >> >> that interests you. Drop in now and then on bookshops, libraries,
> >> >> galleries, and friends. Visit local beauty spots. Follow your nose.
> >> > Sounds good. I've never been much for looking out into the
> >> > distant future and deciding on long-range life-time goals, but
> >> > not too bad at stumbling over the interesting things. It
> >> > certainly explains my zig-zag career!
> >> >> Soon you find that certain things have caught your interest and you
> >> >> start following them up. Most of them will peter out, but a few of
> >> >> them will continue to develop. After a year or few you'll find one day
> >> >> that there's so many interesting things you want to do that you're
> >> >> just going to have set priorities and concentrate on the most
> >> >> important ones.
>
> >> >> You will have acquired goals :-)
> >> > :-) And what are your current goals?
>
> >> Get fitter and stronger and lighter, read more books, watch less TV,
> >> publish a book, sell a photograph, get paid to demolish a tree,
> >> renovate the house sash windows :-)
> > get paid to demolish a tree?
>
> Demolishing a tree is what you do when there isn't room to fell
> it. You work your way up it removing limbs and lowering them on ropes
> to the ground, until you get to the top. Then you come down again,
> taking the trunk down in small sections from the top, catching and
> lowering them on ropes.
>
> I learned how to demolish trees tidily without breaking greenhouses or
> denting the ground when some elms in my garden developed Dutch Elm
> disease. The cost of employing tree surgeons was terrifying!
>
> But now that I'm retired, needing some healthy outdoor exercise and
> some extra income, looked at from the other side the price of tree
> surgery is rather tempting! Like a lot of things it's also fun if you
> don't have to do it every day. I've bought the requisite kit from the
> widows of dead tree surgeons on ebay. Including a tree surgeon's
> hat. It's very important to wear the right hat when trying to impress
> folk with your professional skills :-)
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

that's pretty classic, chris, & jette's description sounded rather
majestic. care to post a photo?

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 3:22 pm, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>>> Get fitter and stronger and lighter, read more books,

What are you reading?

>>> watch less TV,
>>> publish a book

Have you picked a title yet? Or is it already written?

>>> , sell a photograph, get paid to demolish a tree,
>>> renovate the house sash windows :-)
>
>> get paid to demolish a tree?
>
> Demolishing a tree is what you do when there isn't room to fell
> it. You work your way up it removing limbs and lowering them on ropes
> to the ground, until you get to the top. Then you come down again,
> taking the trunk down in small sections from the top, catching and
> lowering them on ropes.
>
> I learned how to demolish trees tidily without breaking greenhouses or
> denting the ground when some elms in my garden developed Dutch Elm
> disease. The cost of employing tree surgeons was terrifying!
>
> But now that I'm retired, needing some healthy outdoor exercise and
> some extra income, looked at from the other side the price of tree
> surgery is rather tempting! Like a lot of things it's also fun if you
> don't have to do it every day. I've bought the requisite kit from the
> widows of dead tree surgeons on ebay. Including a tree surgeon's
> hat. It's very important to wear the right hat when trying to impress
> folk with your professional skills :-)

Will you do this all by yourself? Or will you hire a helper?

I'm thinking I could have used your services when we lived in NJ
and had about 40 tulip trees in our yard, about 8 of which had to
be taken down over the 17 years we lived there, and we had the
'canopy' pruned once. The tree service we hired came in with a
crew and a bucket truck. And we paid - boy, did we pay!

What does a tree surgeon's hat look like?

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 6, 4:04 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> wrote:
> > Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> > > ellen wrote:
> > > >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> > > >> for the toilet seat.
> >
> > > > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> > > > at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> > > > seat is cleaner than the sink?
> >
> > > The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
> >
> > To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
> > everything.
>
> i understand that part, just wondering what happens to the e coli.

What e.coli? You do wash your hands, yes?

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Jan 7, 1:22 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
wrote:
> ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 4:04 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> > wrote:
> > > Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ellen wrote:
> > > > >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
> > > > >> for the toilet seat.
>
> > > > > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
> > > > > at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
> > > > > seat is cleaner than the sink?
>
> > > > The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
>
> > > To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
> > > everything.
>
> > i understand that part, just wondering what happens to the e coli.
>
> What e.coli? You do wash your hands, yes?
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/

yes - i was referring to residual e coli on the toilet seat. that i
assume is there, but i don't really know. was just surprised to read
that the toilet sink was considered one of the cleanest things in the
bathroom.

sorry for my lack of clarity - just imagine how frustrating it is for
me. i was jealous when furpaw asked chris about what he's reading
these days (& writing). a year ago i was reading classic novels & now
i can only communicate via visuals. i really hope this is
temporary....

ellen

"Eva" <EvaDStructionNOT@NOTverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
> news:TemdnYwZdqeU0R3aRVn_vwA@giganews.com...

>> Demelza ...
<snipped>
>>
>> Her fibrosarcoma - the one that was removed in November - is already
> showing
>> signs of regrowth... :-(
> ----------------
> I'm sorry. Unfortunately, sarcomas are very aggressive tumors. Poor
> girl.

Yeah... thanks. We'll see how it goes... As of now she has not a clue &
seems to be acting perfectly normal, which is good.

Cathy


>
> Eva
>
>

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 7, 1:22 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> wrote:
> > ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 6, 4:04 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> > > wrote:
> > > > Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > ellen wrote:
> > > > > >> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the
> > > > > >> room except for the toilet seat.
> >
> > > > > > at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today
> > > > > > i can at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean
> > > > > > that the toilet seat is cleaner than the sink?
> >
> > > > > The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
> >
> > > > To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
> > > > everything.
> >
> > > i understand that part, just wondering what happens to the e coli.
> >
> > What e.coli? You do wash your hands, yes?
>
> yes - i was referring to residual e coli on the toilet seat. that i
> assume is there, but i don't really know.

I don't either. Never occurred to me that there would be e.coli on the
seat (or anywhere else, for that matter). How would it get there? I
don't leave anything on the _seat_.

> was just surprised to read that the toilet sink was considered one of the
> cleanest things in the bathroom.

The bathroom's cleaner than the kitchen. The kitchen is the germiest
room in the house, and IIRC, bedrooms are next.

Thing is, there are germs everywhere, and we tend to think they must be
in the greatest number on surfaces like bathroom sinks and toilet seats,
while, in fact, they are more numerous on kitchen counters, tooth
brushes and table tops. It simply has to do with where we ourselves are
germiest (usually our hands) and what this touches.

In the case of the kitchen, foreign matter is brought into that room in
the form of food.

> sorry for my lack of clarity - just imagine how frustrating it is for
> me. i was jealous when furpaw asked chris about what he's reading
> these days (& writing). a year ago i was reading classic novels & now
> i can only communicate via visuals. i really hope this is
> temporary....

That's a serious set-back! I hope it's temporary, too.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 7, 1:22 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
>> wrote:

>>> What e.coli? You do wash your hands, yes?
>> yes - i was referring to residual e coli on the toilet seat. that i
>> assume is there, but i don't really know.
>
> I don't either. Never occurred to me that there would be e.coli on the
> seat (or anywhere else, for that matter). How would it get there? I
> don't leave anything on the _seat_.

It could get there when you flush - some of the water in the bowl
aerosolizes, how much probably depends on how vigorous your flush
mechanism is. Or if you have diarrhea, you might manage to leave
some on the seat. I suspect that when the water dries up, most
of the bacteria is killed (but while that is what I learned in HS
biology a number of years ago, a google on e coli dry quickly led
me to believe that the situation is far more complicated).

>> was just surprised to read that the toilet sink was considered one of the
>> cleanest things in the bathroom.
>
> The bathroom's cleaner than the kitchen. The kitchen is the germiest
> room in the house, and IIRC, bedrooms are next.

That's probably true on average, but no doubt there's variation
depending on the household's or person's sanitation practices.
And a healthy immune system will probably dispatch most of these
germs, but they're more of a problem if that system is compromised.

> Thing is, there are germs everywhere, and we tend to think they must be
> in the greatest number on surfaces like bathroom sinks and toilet seats,
> while, in fact, they are more numerous on kitchen counters, tooth
> brushes and table tops. It simply has to do with where we ourselves are
> germiest (usually our hands) and what this touches.
>
> In the case of the kitchen, foreign matter is brought into that room in
> the form of food.
>
>> sorry for my lack of clarity - just imagine how frustrating it is for
>> me. i was jealous when furpaw asked chris about what he's reading
>> these days (& writing). a year ago i was reading classic novels & now
>> i can only communicate via visuals. i really hope this is
>> temporary....
>
> That's a serious set-back! I hope it's temporary, too.

So do I! I had a lot of cognitive difficulties for about 3
months after having major surgery, and I understand how
frustrating that can be.

FurPaw
--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

ellen wrote:
> On Jan 7, 1:22 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
> wrote:
>> ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 6, 4:04 pm, thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox)
>>> wrote:
>>>> Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ellen wrote:
>>>>>>> What germs? It's a sink. Probably the cleanest thing in the room except
>>>>>>> for the toilet seat.
>>>>>> at the risk of sounding even stupider than i already have (today i can
>>>>>> at least blame it on brain fog), did that comment mean that the toilet
>>>>>> seat is cleaner than the sink?
>>>>> The toilet seat is cleaner than your desk or your car steering wheel.
>>>> To clarify: Hands spread the most germs. This is because hands touch
>>>> everything.
>>> i understand that part, just wondering what happens to the e coli.
>> What e.coli? You do wash your hands, yes?
>>
>> --
>> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.http://home.online.no/~kafox/
>
> yes - i was referring to residual e coli on the toilet seat. that i
> assume is there, but i don't really know. was just surprised to read
> that the toilet sink was considered one of the cleanest things in the
> bathroom.

If you think about it, the part of your bum that touches the seat is
all covered up most of the time, and doesn't come in contact with
e-coli unless you're .... um... very ill. Those germs go down into
the bowl, and sometimes onto your hands as you wipe. Then you wash
your hands, and they go down the drain into the waste water pipe, and
are pushed down and out by the clean water.


--
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

x-no-archive: yes

Jette wrote:

> If you think about it, the part of your bum that touches the seat is all
> covered up most of the time, and doesn't come in contact with e-coli
> unless you're .... um... very ill. Those germs go down into the bowl,
> and sometimes onto your hands as you wipe. Then you wash your hands,
> and they go down the drain into the waste water pipe, and are pushed
> down and out by the clean water.
>
>

How do you account for the e. coli left on the lever after you've
flushed and the faucet handle to turn on the water.

Not to mention the spray that is well documented to be aerosolized and
travel several feet in the bathroom every time you flush with the top up?

Susan

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Jette wrote:
>
> > If you think about it, the part of your bum that touches the seat is all
> > covered up most of the time, and doesn't come in contact with e-coli
> > unless you're .... um... very ill. Those germs go down into the bowl,
> > and sometimes onto your hands as you wipe. Then you wash your hands,
> > and they go down the drain into the waste water pipe, and are pushed
> > down and out by the clean water.
> >
> >
>
> How do you account for the e. coli left on the lever after you've
> flushed

Foot flush! It's all the rage for asm-ers! ;-)

> and the faucet handle to turn on the water.

Wipe that off, too?

> Not to mention the spray that is well documented to be aerosolized and
> travel several feet in the bathroom every time you flush with the top up?

Never flush with your top up! Or bottom down. ;-)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Jan 8, 10:39*am, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Jette wrote:
> > If you think about it, the part of your bum that touches the seat is all
> > covered up most of the time, and doesn't come in contact with e-coli
> > unless you're .... um... very ill. *Those germs go down into the bowl,
> > and sometimes onto your hands as you wipe. *Then you wash your hands,
> > and they go down the drain into the waste water pipe, and are pushed
> > down and out by the clean water.
>
> How do you account for the e. coli left on the lever after you've
> flushed and the faucet handle to turn on the water.
>
> Not to mention the spray that is well documented to be aerosolized and
> travel several feet in the bathroom every time you flush with the top up?
>
> Susan

Boy, is there a lot to catch up on here, after four days without
electricity! Except the couple of hours when the sun was out and the
solar panels enabled us to shower and wash dishes. We were afraid for
a while there we'd need Chris's services, what with the 60 foot
ponderosa pines whiplashing in the 60 MPH wind. The three foot thick
tree that fell on a previous residence caused some painful awareness.
Had to relate my own cat-jumping story, about our little Bum Boy oh-so-
briefly joining Hublet and me in the tub one night. At least we
didn't get scratched. That cat also toilet-trained himself. We heard
a funny noise in the bathroom, and there was Bum Boy straddling the
can. He bolted, apparently not believing my assurances of what a good
boy.
About the crud and germs, I thought we weren't of the generation
indoctrinated by all those vivid '50s soap ads? It's true there's a
new crop for antibiotic detergent and lysol and whatnot. You could
eat off Grandma's floors. Even my 83 year old hillbilly friend
constantly apologizes that her ancient mine shack isn't clean enough,
as her outdoor wringer washer works overtime.
At least the power being out enabled that long-delayed task of
cleaning out the freezer!
Les

ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 8:17 am, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>> But now that I'm retired, needing some healthy outdoor exercise and
>> some extra income, looked at from the other side the price of tree
>> surgery is rather tempting! Like a lot of things it's also fun if you
>> don't have to do it every day. I've bought the requisite kit from the
>> widows of dead tree surgeons on ebay. Including a tree surgeon's
>> hat. It's very important to wear the right hat when trying to impress
>> folk with your professional skills :-)

> that's pretty classic, chris, & jette's description sounded rather
> majestic. care to post a photo?

It's not quite the right weather for taking photographs of myself up a
tree :-) So here's a photograph of a tree surgeon demonstrating proper
hat and harness,

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...1568505&size=m

(or http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1133/...69fbcd7c2e.jpg)

and one of me up a tree without the proper hat :-)

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...5995159&size=m

(or http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/...6668467ee0.jpg)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]