enlarged uterus?

No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.

Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out. I
don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the beginning
of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal distress. That
has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so we'll see. I more
suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have more symptoms of that
through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to note my mom had
endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother died of a cancer,
mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine cancer.

If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?

Thanks for your advice...
Barb

Have you told your Dr about the Cancer History in your family? I would ask
him/her about a Biopsy..just for your piece of mind.


I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986..and they have never been symptomatic.
My Grandmother died of some kind of female cancer...by the time she went to
the Dr it had spread so bad that they had no idea where it started..this was
in the mid 40's and they probably didn't have allot of info on cancer back
then. I have been in Menopause for 5-7 years...I can't remember when I
stopped bleeding Two years ago during my annual pap the Dr told me she
wanted me to have a Pelvic Ultra Sound because I had to much belly fat for
her to feel my ovaries. The Ultra Sound showed a cyst on my ovary..they
don't like seeing that after menopause. 3 months later I had another Ultra
sound and that cyst was gone but there was one on my other ovary plus they
noticed that my Uterus was extra thick...so they did a Uterine
Biopsy(Ouch...the next time they are knocking me out) It came back with
Cell changes but not cancer...my Dr said it can take up to ten years for
Uterine cancer to develop..so that is good news. The Fibroids are still
there. The specialist I went to said he wasn't to worried about the cysts
because the Cat Scan showed no changes on the inside of the ovary and it is
still well shaped on the outside..he said only yearly US are needed and if
the ovaries start looking like wild mushrooms they will have to come out. He
didn't seem real concerned about the bleeding..as long as it wasn't heavy
and the Biopsy came back ok. Strange thing though when he left the room his
Resident suggested I have another Uterine Biopsy.
Jacquie


"Mike/Barb Wells" <wellsbma@iw.net> wrote in message
news:nc2dnfv9aeWuUSHbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewave. com...
> No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
> by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out.
> I don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the
> beginning of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal
> distress. That has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so
> we'll see. I more suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have
> more symptoms of that through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to
> note my mom had endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother
> died of a cancer, mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine
> cancer.
>
> If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?
>
> Thanks for your advice...
> Barb

On Aug 10, 3:35 pm, "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote:
> No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
> by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out. I
> don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the beginning
> of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal distress. That
> has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so we'll see. I more
> suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have more symptoms of that
> through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to note my mom had
> endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother died of a cancer,
> mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine cancer.
>
> If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?
>
> Thanks for your advice...
> Barb

In my case, the problem was extensive endometriosis of the bowel and
reproductive system. I had lots of pain and bleeding and "intestinal
distress". Do a search under bowel endometriosis for more information.
I had a total hysterectomy along with 2 bowel resections and extensive
endometriosis excisions in December 2000 when I was 48. The surgery
gave me my life back.

Linda

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:35:59 -0500, "Mike/Barb Wells"
<wellsbma@iw.net> wrote:

>Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
>by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out. I
>don't really have any symptoms.


A few years back I went to see my doctor for some spotting...(turned
out to be nothing)...but he did an ultrasound and while looking at the
screen the nurse said, "What's that?!" And the doc replied "Oh, that's
a fibroid, she has had it for years." He knew it for years, never
told me, I never felt anything, no problems. That was the last time I
went to see him. He never told me about the fibroid and if I hadn't
heard their conversation I would still not know. I had been seeing him
since I was in my 20's but I have a new doctor now.

Anyway, the point of my story is that I never felt anything and
supposedly my fibroid is a large one. BUT...BUT...I don't have the
history of cancer in my family that you have in yours. I would be very
cautious if I were you.

Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

On Aug 10, 5:29 pm, "jacquie" <happikat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Have you told your Dr about the Cancer History in your family? I would ask
> him/her about a Biopsy..just for your piece of mind.
>
> I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986..and they have never been symptomatic.
> My Grandmother died of some kind of female cancer...by the time she went to
> the Dr it had spread so bad that they had no idea where it started..this was
> in the mid 40's and they probably didn't have allot of info on cancer back
> then. I have been in Menopause for 5-7 years...I can't remember when I
> stopped bleeding Two years ago during my annual pap the Dr told me she
> wanted me to have a Pelvic Ultra Sound because I had to much belly fat for
> her to feel my ovaries. The Ultra Sound showed a cyst on my ovary..they
> don't like seeing that after menopause. 3 months later I had another Ultra
> sound and that cyst was gone but there was one on my other ovary plus they
> noticed that my Uterus was extra thick...so they did a Uterine
> Biopsy(Ouch...the next time they are knocking me out) It came back with
> Cell changes but not cancer...my Dr said it can take up to ten years for
> Uterine cancer to develop..so that is good news. The Fibroids are still
> there. The specialist I went to said he wasn't to worried about the cysts
> because the Cat Scan showed no changes on the inside of the ovary and it is
> still well shaped on the outside..he said only yearly US are needed and if
> the ovaries start looking like wild mushrooms they will have to come out. He
> didn't seem real concerned about the bleeding..as long as it wasn't heavy
> and the Biopsy came back ok. Strange thing though when he left the room his
> Resident suggested I have another Uterine Biopsy.
> Jacquie
>
> "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote in message
>
> news:nc2dnfv9aeWuUSHbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>
> > No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> > Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
> > by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out.
> > I don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the
> > beginning of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal
> > distress. That has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so
> > we'll see. I more suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have
> > more symptoms of that through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to
> > note my mom had endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother
> > died of a cancer, mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine
> > cancer.
>
> > If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> > testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?
>
> > Thanks for your advice...
> > Barb


jacquie,
i'm a little confused. did you have another biopsy? what that
resident said would have been very unsettling to me.

ellen

On Aug 10, 8:41 pm, Linda <lindascheim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 3:35 pm, "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> > Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
> > by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out. I
> > don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the beginning
> > of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal distress. That
> > has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so we'll see. I more
> > suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have more symptoms of that
> > through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to note my mom had
> > endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother died of a cancer,
> > mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine cancer.
>
> > If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> > testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?
>
> > Thanks for your advice...
> > Barb
>
> In my case, the problem was extensive endometriosis of the bowel and
> reproductive system. I had lots of pain and bleeding and "intestinal
> distress". Do a search under bowel endometriosis for more information.
> I had a total hysterectomy along with 2 bowel resections and extensive
> endometriosis excisions in December 2000 when I was 48. The surgery
> gave me my life back.
>
> Linda


linda,

i am so glad that you had successful surgery & have been able to
reclaim your life. i have friends who have gone through similar
experiences & it's just horrible. & they were not as lucky with the
surgical outcomes. just reading about the bowel resections &
endometriosis excisions made me cringe.

glad you are well,
ellen

On Aug 13, 9:52 am, ellen <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 8:41 pm, Linda <lindascheim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 3:35 pm, "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> > > Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was caused
> > > by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this out. I
> > > don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the beginning
> > > of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal distress. That
> > > has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so we'll see. I more
> > > suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have more symptoms of that
> > > through the years. I am 49, and it might be good to note my mom had
> > > endometrial cancer post menopause. My great grandmother died of a cancer,
> > > mother says endometrial, but it may have been a uterine cancer.
>
> > > If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> > > testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big concern?
>
> > > Thanks for your advice...
> > > Barb
>
> > In my case, the problem was extensive endometriosis of the bowel and
> > reproductive system. I had lots of pain and bleeding and "intestinal
> > distress". Do a search under bowel endometriosis for more information.
> > I had a total hysterectomy along with 2 bowel resections and extensive
> > endometriosis excisions in December 2000 when I was 48. The surgery
> > gave me my life back.
>
> > Linda
>
> linda,
>
> i am so glad that you had successful surgery & have been able to
> reclaim your life. i have friends who have gone through similar
> experiences & it's just horrible. & they were not as lucky with the
> surgical outcomes. just reading about the bowel resections &
> endometriosis excisions made me cringe.
>
> glad you are well,
> ellen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ellen,
Thanks. I wrote up my experience here:
http://www.geocities.com/lindascheimann/endo.html

Linda

No not another one..she suggested I have another one..but I have to talk to
my PC first. I am trying to get an appointment..I go to an Air Force Base
and my regular Dr has gone on a 9-12 month Temporary Duty..I don't know
where she went ..she is Military...she is supposed to be back in Dec...until
then I see who ever can fit me in...from what I gather she is not the only
Dr that has left. When there is a war going on Drs are sent where they are
needed. I have been thinking on looking for an Internist that does Primary
Care in the retirement town close to us...and if our Ins will pay for it.
Jacquie
"ellen" <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187016554.666526.133790@g12g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> On Aug 10, 5:29 pm, "jacquie" <happikat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Have you told your Dr about the Cancer History in your family? I would
>> ask
>> him/her about a Biopsy..just for your piece of mind.
>>
>> I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986..and they have never been
>> symptomatic.
>> My Grandmother died of some kind of female cancer...by the time she went
>> to
>> the Dr it had spread so bad that they had no idea where it started..this
>> was
>> in the mid 40's and they probably didn't have allot of info on cancer
>> back
>> then. I have been in Menopause for 5-7 years...I can't remember when I
>> stopped bleeding Two years ago during my annual pap the Dr told me she
>> wanted me to have a Pelvic Ultra Sound because I had to much belly fat
>> for
>> her to feel my ovaries. The Ultra Sound showed a cyst on my ovary..they
>> don't like seeing that after menopause. 3 months later I had another
>> Ultra
>> sound and that cyst was gone but there was one on my other ovary plus
>> they
>> noticed that my Uterus was extra thick...so they did a Uterine
>> Biopsy(Ouch...the next time they are knocking me out) It came back with
>> Cell changes but not cancer...my Dr said it can take up to ten years for
>> Uterine cancer to develop..so that is good news. The Fibroids are still
>> there. The specialist I went to said he wasn't to worried about the cysts
>> because the Cat Scan showed no changes on the inside of the ovary and it
>> is
>> still well shaped on the outside..he said only yearly US are needed and
>> if
>> the ovaries start looking like wild mushrooms they will have to come out.
>> He
>> didn't seem real concerned about the bleeding..as long as it wasn't heavy
>> and the Biopsy came back ok. Strange thing though when he left the room
>> his
>> Resident suggested I have another Uterine Biopsy.
>> Jacquie
>>
>> "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:nc2dnfv9aeWuUSHbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>>
>> > No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>>
>> > Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was
>> > caused
>> > by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this
>> > out.
>> > I don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the
>> > beginning of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal
>> > distress. That has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so
>> > we'll see. I more suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have
>> > more symptoms of that through the years. I am 49, and it might be good
>> > to
>> > note my mom had endometrial cancer post menopause. My great
>> > grandmother
>> > died of a cancer, mother says endometrial, but it may have been a
>> > uterine
>> > cancer.
>>
>> > If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
>> > testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big
>> > concern?
>>
>> > Thanks for your advice...
>> > Barb
>
>
> jacquie,
> i'm a little confused. did you have another biopsy? what that
> resident said would have been very unsettling to me.
>
> ellen
>

"Dana©" wrote:
> Anyway, the point of my story is that I never felt anything and
> supposedly my fibroid is a large one. BUT...BUT...I don't have the
> history of cancer in my family that you have in yours. I would be very
> cautious if I were you.

I remember looking into this when I learned I have fibroids and I read the
incidence of a fibroid becoming cancerous is about 1%. I don't know, though,
if the statistic is higher if there's a history of reproductive organ cancer
in a family. It would be worth asking the doctor.

I shared in another post that I have a very enlarged uterus too due to
fibroids. I had the ultrasound today to measure them (the largest one in
particular). The technician was able to view my right ovary, which is
good...my doctor wanted the ultrasound in part to look at my ovaries...but
the left one was obscurred by the fibroid. I'm waiting now to hear from the
doctor as to her opinion. Tomorrow (later today, really...it's the middle of
the night), I see the new doctor for a second opinion. I'm mostly concerned
with my hormonal problem, but I want to ask him about the fibroid too.

Kimmy

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:20:49 GMT, "HotFlashesColdTears"
<kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:

> but I want to ask him about the fibroid too.


I saw a report on some news show that there is a new procedure to
remove fibroids using a laser ..whatever...if you ever decide to
remove the fibroid ask about that. It's non invasive and supposedly
very safe. But, also very new. If I ever need mine removed I will
ask about it.

Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

"Dana©" wrote:

>> "HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>> but I want to ask him about the fibroid too.

> I saw a report on some news show that there is a new procedure to
> remove fibroids using a laser ..whatever...if you ever decide to
> remove the fibroid ask about that. It's non invasive and supposedly
> very safe. But, also very new. If I ever need mine removed I will
> ask about it.

Thanks, Dana. I see the doctor later today and I will ask him about this.

Kimmy

On Aug 13, 11:18 pm, "jacquie" <happikat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> No not another one..she suggested I have another one..but I have to talk to
> my PC first. I am trying to get an appointment..I go to an Air Force Base
> and my regular Dr has gone on a 9-12 month Temporary Duty..I don't know
> where she went ..she is Military...she is supposed to be back in Dec...until
> then I see who ever can fit me in...from what I gather she is not the only
> Dr that has left. When there is a war going on Drs are sent where they are
> needed. I have been thinking on looking for an Internist that does Primary
> Care in the retirement town close to us...and if our Ins will pay for it.
> Jacquie"ellen" <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187016554.666526.133790@g12g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > On Aug 10, 5:29 pm, "jacquie" <happikat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Have you told your Dr about the Cancer History in your family? I would
> >> ask
> >> him/her about a Biopsy..just for your piece of mind.
>
> >> I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986..and they have never been
> >> symptomatic.
> >> My Grandmother died of some kind of female cancer...by the time she went
> >> to
> >> the Dr it had spread so bad that they had no idea where it started..this
> >> was
> >> in the mid 40's and they probably didn't have allot of info on cancer
> >> back
> >> then. I have been in Menopause for 5-7 years...I can't remember when I
> >> stopped bleeding Two years ago during my annual pap the Dr told me she
> >> wanted me to have a Pelvic Ultra Sound because I had to much belly fat
> >> for
> >> her to feel my ovaries. The Ultra Sound showed a cyst on my ovary..they
> >> don't like seeing that after menopause. 3 months later I had another
> >> Ultra
> >> sound and that cyst was gone but there was one on my other ovary plus
> >> they
> >> noticed that my Uterus was extra thick...so they did a Uterine
> >> Biopsy(Ouch...the next time they are knocking me out) It came back with
> >> Cell changes but not cancer...my Dr said it can take up to ten years for
> >> Uterine cancer to develop..so that is good news. The Fibroids are still
> >> there. The specialist I went to said he wasn't to worried about the cysts
> >> because the Cat Scan showed no changes on the inside of the ovary and it
> >> is
> >> still well shaped on the outside..he said only yearly US are needed and
> >> if
> >> the ovaries start looking like wild mushrooms they will have to come out.
> >> He
> >> didn't seem real concerned about the bleeding..as long as it wasn't heavy
> >> and the Biopsy came back ok. Strange thing though when he left the room
> >> his
> >> Resident suggested I have another Uterine Biopsy.
> >> Jacquie
>
> >> "Mike/Barb Wells" <wells...@iw.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:nc2dnfv9aeWuUSHbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewav e.com...
>
> >> > No big concerns here, just curiosity as to others' experiences.
>
> >> > Just had my pap, and MD says my uterus is enlarged. He felt it was
> >> > caused
> >> > by fibroids, and I have a pelvic ultrasound scheduled to check this
> >> > out.
> >> > I don't really have any symptoms. I am still having periods, at the
> >> > beginning of my period, I do have alot of pain, and some intestinal
> >> > distress. That has been attributed to IBS. I don't bleed heavily, so
> >> > we'll see. I more suspect endometriosis, as I have seemed to had have
> >> > more symptoms of that through the years. I am 49, and it might be good
> >> > to
> >> > note my mom had endometrial cancer post menopause. My great
> >> > grandmother
> >> > died of a cancer, mother says endometrial, but it may have been a
> >> > uterine
> >> > cancer.
>
> >> > If there are no fibroids found with the sonogram, should I pursue more
> >> > testing or just continue with the attitude that this isn't a big
> >> > concern?
>
> >> > Thanks for your advice...
> >> > Barb
>
> > jacquie,
> > i'm a little confused. did you have another biopsy? what that
> > resident said would have been very unsettling to me.
>
> > ellen

jacquie,

i hope that you are able to get in to see someone soon. keep us
posted.

ellen

Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com> wrote in
news:gbc3c359p86ap5l1ujnhgp4euhp6rra9i7@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:20:49 GMT, "HotFlashesColdTears"
> <kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> but I want to ask him about the fibroid too.
>
>
> I saw a report on some news show that there is a new procedure to
> remove fibroids using a laser ..whatever...if you ever decide to
> remove the fibroid ask about that. It's non invasive and supposedly
> very safe. But, also very new. If I ever need mine removed I will
> ask about it.

I think you might mean ultrasound. A laser wouldn't be noninvasive,
would it?

I definitely heard about the ultrasound one, though. Or maybe it was
supersonic somethingorother. I remember it used sound waves. Focused
ultrasound???

Man, I miss my memory.

Chak



--
We are at the very beginning of time for the human race. It is not
unreasonable that we grapple with problems, but there are tens of
thousands of years in the future. Our responsibility is to do what we
can, learn what we can, improve the solutions and pass them on.
--Richard P. Feynman

"Chakolate" wrote:

> Dana© wrote:
>> I saw a report on some news show that there is a new procedure to
>> remove fibroids using a laser ..whatever...if you ever decide to
>> remove the fibroid ask about that. It's non invasive and supposedly
>> very safe. But, also very new. If I ever need mine removed I will
>> ask about it.

> I think you might mean ultrasound. A laser wouldn't be noninvasive,
> would it?
>
> I definitely heard about the ultrasound one, though. Or maybe it was
> supersonic somethingorother. I remember it used sound waves. Focused
> ultrasound???

You're right...a laser could not be non-invasive. There would have to be a
surgical incision somewhere so the laser could be placed near the thing it's
dissolving. But it would have to be something more than ultrasound too. I
haven't heard of this before, but definitely I'll see what I can find out.
In any case, the second opinion today didn't happen...the doctor cancelled
his afternoon schedule to handle an emergency surgery, his office told me.
The appt. has been rescheduled for Thu. morning. Let's hope this one doesn't
get cancelled. 8 P

Kimmy

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:24:15 GMT, Chakolate
<chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote:

>I remember it used sound waves. Focused
>ultrasound???

Ok, so I got the name wrong, but I know what I meant.

Here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0731085512.htm

>Focused Ultrasound Treatment Of Uterine Fibroids Provides Long Term Symptom Relief
>Science Daily — A noninvasive, outpatient treatment for noncancerous uterine tumors provides sustained relief from symptoms, according to a new Mayo Clinic led collaborative study.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The study of this innovative treatment approach -- called magnetic resonance imaging guided focused ultrasound surgery (MRgFUS) -- also shows that the more completely tumors are destroyed by focused ultrasound, the more durable the symptom relief. In addition, the incidence of severe side effects is low. Combined, these results produce an overall improved quality of life. The report by Mayo and its collaborators, the Magnetic Resonance Imaging Guided Focused Ultrasound for Uterine Fibroid Group at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, appears in the Aug. 1 issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology.
>

Dana

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:05:53 -0400, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
wrote:

><chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I remember it used sound waves. Focused
>>ultrasound???

Wait a minute.....I did hear it correctly...read this:

>At the Institute for Female Alternative Medicine our approach is much more patient-friendly. Female Alternative Surgery removes fibroid tumors safely and effectively using a multi-laser technique, generally eliminating the need for blood transfusions. Additionally, the endometrial cavity is examined for any and all potential tumors or polyps, something that is not addressed in a traditional myomectomy procedures.

In another part they called it non-invasive.

http://www.alternativesurgery.com/ed.../fibroid.php#8

Dana


Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:05:53 -0400, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ><chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I remember it used sound waves. Focused
> >>ultrasound???
>
> Wait a minute.....I did hear it correctly...read this:
>
> >At the Institute for Female Alternative Medicine our approach is much
> more patient-friendly. Female Alternative Surgery removes fibroid tumors
> safely and effectively using a multi-laser technique, generally
> eliminating the need for blood transfusions. Additionally, the endometrial
> cavity is examined for any and all potential tumors or polyps, something
> that is not addressed in a traditional myomectomy procedures.
>
> In another part they called it non-invasive.
>
> http://www.alternativesurgery.com/ed.../fibroid.php#8

Two different methods. Lasers are not non-invasive. They are an advanced
form of cutting tool, with the advantage of pinpoint accuracy and
sealing blood vessels. Ultrasound does its thing through vibration and
so does not actually cut anything, though it will pulverize tumors and
kidney stones.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:00:44 +0200, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
(Keera Ann Fox) wrote:

>Two different methods. Lasers are not non-invasive. They are an advanced
>form of cutting tool, with the advantage of pinpoint accuracy and
>sealing blood vessels. Ultrasound does its thing through vibration and
>so does not actually cut anything, though it will pulverize tumors and
>kidney stones.


I knew that.


Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

In article <e006c31v74m8lvu1557v1v372lnpg8j70s@4ax.com>, Dana© says...
>
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:05:53 -0400, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>><chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I remember it used sound waves. Focused
>>>ultrasound???
>
>Wait a minute.....I did hear it correctly...read this:
>
>>At the Institute for Female Alternative Medicine our approach is much more
>>patient-friendly. Female Alternative Surgery removes fibroid tumors safely and
>>effectively using a multi-laser technique, generally eliminating the need for
>>blood transfusions. Additionally, the endometrial cavity is examined for any and
>>all potential tumors or polyps, something that is not addressed in a traditional
>>myomectomy procedures.
>
>In another part they called it non-invasive.
>
>http://www.alternativesurgery.com/ed.../fibroid.php#8
>
>Dana

I'm on a list for women with fibroids. The interventional radiolists on the
list don't think very highly of this person. He is *not* the only one doing
alternative treatment. Go here for more reputable informaiton:
http://www.fibroidsecondopinion.com/

Stacey

"HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
> In any case, the second opinion today didn't happen...the doctor cancelled
> his afternoon schedule to handle an emergency surgery, his office told me.
> The appt. has been rescheduled for Thu. morning. Let's hope this one
> doesn't get cancelled. 8 P

Replying to my own post to follow up.

I got back a while ago from my doctor visit for the second opinion. I have
to say, my first impression of this new doctor is favorable. He was quite
pleasant but didn't make phoney upbeat chit-chat (like my reg. ob/gyn) and
he seemed concerned and sympathetic...and knowledgeable. He talked to me in
his office first and went over my recent history. He agreed I show an
unacceptable intolerance of the progesterine and then he had me go in the
exam room, change into a gown and he gave me an exam. He said that the one
fibroid is huge and he could see justification for removal that would not be
merely cosmetic, although he added if it's not giving me medical trouble, he
could see living w/ it. He told me after menopause, the average fibroid will
shrink by about one third, which is less than I had hoped.

As for the estrogen build-up in utero, he said one approach would be a
hysterectomy, which would effectively resolve both that problem and the
fibroids once and for all. OTOH, he said he sees that as sort of using an
atom bomb to kill a fly, although he added there is sufficient justification
so that it would be covered by insurance. A third option he suggested was to
complete the third course of the natural hormone (Prometrium) since I seem
to do better with that, biopsy the cells again and see what they look like.
If they look better, he said I could try doing nothing further beyond a
repeat biopsy once or twice a year to monitor cell growth. Because I'm
probably fairly close to menopause, he said it's a reasonably good bet the
risk of developing uterine cancer before completing menopause (which greatly
reduces the risk of that kind of cancer) is quite low.

He said he'd need to review my recent tests to give me an intelligent
answer, so he had me sign a consent form to requisition them. He asked me to
call him if I haven't heard back from him in two weeks. Otherwise, if he
gets the records before then, he'll get back to me within a day of that.

The only other thing that happened is the parking garage in the building
(street parking is impossible in that neighborhood) is very hard to
negotiate and I scraped the side of my car against a pillar, which scraped
off a big area of paint. When that happened, an old, forgotten memory was
rekindled: I scraped the side of a past car many years ago--maybe 14--in
that same parking garage against a pillar leaving an appointment in that
same building. And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with
anything, it's just pithy.
<sulky pout>

Kimmy

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:23:37 -0600, "HotFlashesColdTears"
<kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Because I'm
>probably fairly close to menopause, he said it's a reasonably good bet the
>risk of developing uterine cancer before completing menopause (which greatly
>reduces the risk of that kind of cancer) is quite low.

Really? I had never heard that. Of course, since I am well into
menopause and didn't pay much attention to peri info I missed alot.

>
>He said he'd need to review my recent tests to give me an intelligent
>answer, so he had me sign a consent form to requisition them. He asked me to
>call him if I haven't heard back from him in two weeks. Otherwise, if he
>gets the records before then, he'll get back to me within a day of that.

Sounds like you found a good doctor. That's great. I am always afraid
that any new doctor I go to will want to correct something....(read:
unnecessary surgery).
>
>The only other thing that happened is the parking garage in the building
>(street parking is impossible in that neighborhood) is very hard to
>negotiate and I scraped the side of my car against a pillar, which scraped
>off a big area of paint. When that happened, an old, forgotten memory was
>rekindled: I scraped the side of a past car many years ago--maybe 14--in
>that same parking garage against a pillar leaving an appointment in that
>same building. And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with
>anything, it's just pithy.
><sulky pout>

Been there, done that....mine was a pillar at a drive thru ATM
machine. It was yellow and left a lonnnnng yellow stripe on the side.
And yes it is pithy.

>
>Kimmy

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

"Dana©" wrote:

>> "HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>> Because I'm
>>probably fairly close to menopause, he said it's a reasonably good bet the
>>risk of developing uterine cancer before completing menopause (which
>>greatly
>>reduces the risk of that kind of cancer) is quite low.

> Really? I had never heard that. Of course, since I am well into
> menopause and didn't pay much attention to peri info I missed alot.

Which part had you never heard of? The risk of uterine cancer with estrogen
build-up? Yes, that's the risk and why my current doctor wants to treat
it...and therefore put me on the progesterine. Or are you surprised to hear
the risk would be less if I'm close to menopause?

What this doctor said is that uterine cancer is not going to develop
overnight. The estrogen build-up in the lining does put a woman at
risk...but this doctor that once I menopause, my estrogen production will
drop way off, cutting off the build-up and therefore pretty much eliminating
the risk of uterine cancer (at least from that source). What he's saying is,
I could risk doing nothing rather than going on the mini-pill (which will be
a synthetic progesterine again) and have a biopsy ever so often to see what
the cells look like. If I complete menopause in the next year or two,
probably I'll have beat the risk of that particular cancer.

>>He said he'd need to review my recent tests to give me an intelligent
>>answer, so he had me sign a consent form to requisition them. He asked me
>>to
>>call him if I haven't heard back from him in two weeks. Otherwise, if he
>>gets the records before then, he'll get back to me within a day of that.

> Sounds like you found a good doctor. That's great. I am always afraid
> that any new doctor I go to will want to correct something....(read:
> unnecessary surgery).

I know! I worry about that too. He does seem like a good doctor, from first
impression.

>>The only other thing that happened is the parking garage in the building
>>(street parking is impossible in that neighborhood) is very hard to
>>negotiate and I scraped the side of my car against a pillar, which scraped
>>off a big area of paint. When that happened, an old, forgotten memory was
>>rekindled: I scraped the side of a past car many years ago--maybe 14--in
>>that same parking garage against a pillar leaving an appointment in that
>>same building. And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with
>>anything, it's just pithy.
>><sulky pout>

> Been there, done that....mine was a pillar at a drive thru ATM
> machine. It was yellow and left a lonnnnng yellow stripe on the side.
> And yes it is pithy.

LOL...it really is. All these little things get to me so much these days.
It's the depression, I'm sure. It's better than it was at first, now that
I've been off the synthetic for almost 2 weeks and since I started the
Lexapro. But it's not gone altogether. It's always there, sitting on my
chest like a 20# weight. I wake in the middle of the night or in the
morning, and within seconds, I'm aware of it. And I think to myself, when
will this go away? When will the day come I wake and not feel it?

This afternoon, the little girl I posted about earlier who commented on my
chin hair (two tiny, short hairs), was over to visit for a while. I was
putting in a movie for her and she said, "You have a big waist...and a big
bottom." LOL...that kid really needs to learn some tact.

Kimmy

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:03:50 GMT, "HotFlashesColdTears"
<kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Which part had you never heard of? The risk of uterine cancer with estrogen
>build-up? Yes, that's the risk and why my current doctor wants to treat
>it...and therefore put me on the progesterine. Or are you surprised to hear
>the risk would be less if I'm close to menopause?

The part about menopause. I knew the other part. When I was 42 I
stopped having periods...bam...nada...none. Well, I was so excited to
be finished. And it was just like that,WOW. THEN...I went to see my
doctor and told him my good news which he promptly squashed by telling
me that unopposed estrogen was bad...and made me take some
progesterone....my 6 months of freedom were over, I started having
periods again. So, I like hearing the cancer risk lowers in
menopause.

>LOL...it really is. All these little things get to me so much these days.
>It's the depression, I'm sure. It's better than it was at first, now that
>I've been off the synthetic for almost 2 weeks and since I started the
>Lexapro. But it's not gone altogether. It's always there, sitting on my
>chest like a 20# weight. I wake in the middle of the night or in the
>morning, and within seconds, I'm aware of it. And I think to myself, when
>will this go away? When will the day come I wake and not feel it?

I went through the same thing way back when. I finally settled on
Prozac 20 years ago. I have been fine ever since. Of course if I stop
taking Prozac I don't know what could happen. But, the pill makes me
feel good, makes life calm and pleasant, help me go through a
separation from my hubby of 40 years with no tears.....I don't plan on
stopping it. Why would I?
>
>This afternoon, the little girl I posted about earlier who commented on my
>chin hair (two tiny, short hairs), was over to visit for a while. I was
>putting in a movie for her and she said, "You have a big waist...and a big
>bottom." LOL...that kid really needs to learn some tact.

I think I would have told her it's not nice to critique Mother Nature!
LOL! My daughter was the same way when she was little. She could see a
flaw at a 100 feet and would promptly announce it to everyone within
earshot.

Dana

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

"HotFlashesColdTears" <kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZK%wi.210$vU4.24@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...

> And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with anything, it's
> just pithy.
> <sulky pout>

Only re: the "Check engine" light - make sure your gas cap is on tightly
(until you hear it click) - that's one very simple reason the light can come
on. BTDT.

Cathy


>
> Kimmy
>

"Cathy F. wrote:

> "HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>> And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with anything,
>> it's just pithy.
>> <sulky pout>

> Only re: the "Check engine" light - make sure your gas cap is on tightly
> (until you hear it click) - that's one very simple reason the light can
> come on. BTDT.

Yeah, I know. It's not that. I checked that already. Last time it happened,
I took it to the shop and they said they found leaky hoses and replaced
them. I had the car back two days and the engine light came on again when I
started the car and has stayed on since. So I have to take it in today.

And going back to topic...I talked to my ob/gyn's nurse yesterday and she
says my ultrasound looks "stable" which tells me nothing about the size of
the fibroid, which the purpose of the ultrasound was to measure. The nurse
did say the doctor wants to see me back in soon to go over everything. I
haven't made the appointment yet.

Kimmy

"Cathy F. wrote:

> "HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>> And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with anything,
>> it's just pithy.
>> <sulky pout>

> Only re: the "Check engine" light - make sure your gas cap is on tightly
> (until you hear it click) - that's one very simple reason the light can
> come on. BTDT.

Yeah, I know. It's not that. I checked that already. Last time it happened,
I took it to the shop and they said they found leaky hoses and replaced
them. I had the car back two days and the engine light came on again when I
started the car and has stayed on since. So I have to take it in today.

And going back to topic...I talked to my ob/gyn's nurse yesterday and she
says my ultrasound looks "stable" which tells me nothing about the size of
the fibroid, which the purpose of the ultrasound was to measure. The nurse
did say the doctor wants to see me back in soon to go over everything. I
haven't made the appointment yet.

Kimmy

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:07:17 GMT, "HotFlashesColdTears"
<kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Cathy F. wrote:
>
>> "HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>>> And my engine light keeps coming on. Has nothing to do with anything,
>>> it's just pithy.
>>> <sulky pout>
>
>> Only re: the "Check engine" light - make sure your gas cap is on tightly
>> (until you hear it click) - that's one very simple reason the light can
>> come on. BTDT.
>
>Yeah, I know. It's not that. I checked that already. Last time it happened,
>I took it to the shop and they said they found leaky hoses and replaced
>them. I had the car back two days and the engine light came on again when I
>started the car and has stayed on since. So I have to take it in today.
>
>And going back to topic...I talked to my ob/gyn's nurse yesterday and she
>says my ultrasound looks "stable" which tells me nothing about the size of
>the fibroid, which the purpose of the ultrasound was to measure. The nurse
>did say the doctor wants to see me back in soon to go over everything. I
>haven't made the appointment yet.
>
>Kimmy
>

Kimmy this is wonderful news. I'd assumed that with your family
history the purpose of having the ultrasound was to see if the fibroid
was rapidly growing. That could possibly mean a cancer. Asymptomatic
fibroids in and of themeselves are not considered to be a problem. Up
to 75% of women have fibroids leading up to menopause based on
ultrasound screenings studies. Most women are not even aware that they
have them.

Kathryn

"kathryn" wrote:

>>"HotFlashesColdTears" wrote:
>>And going back to topic...I talked to my ob/gyn's nurse yesterday and she
>>says my ultrasound looks "stable" which tells me nothing about the size of
>>the fibroid, which the purpose of the ultrasound was to measure. The nurse
>>did say the doctor wants to see me back in soon to go over everything. I
>>haven't made the appointment yet.

> Kimmy this is wonderful news. I'd assumed that with your family
> history the purpose of having the ultrasound was to see if the fibroid
> was rapidly growing. That could possibly mean a cancer. Asymptomatic
> fibroids in and of themeselves are not considered to be a problem. Up
> to 75% of women have fibroids leading up to menopause based on
> ultrasound screenings studies. Most women are not even aware that they
> have them.

I think you may have me confused with another poster. I don't have any
family history that predisposes me to uterine or ovarian cancer. The purpose
of the ultrasound was to measure the fibroid because it's so large, and to
see if my ovaries could be viewed, just for annual evaluation. The right one
was viewable, but not the left (which happened last time). The left was
obscurred by the fibroid.

I know that fibroids are not considered dangerous. Mine is not really so
much a problem, other than size. It's not painful, but I do have a very
enlarged belly due to it. I look like I'm 6 or 7 mos. pregnant. That's why
my doctor says removal would be only cosmetic, therefore not recommended
when I'm so close in age to menopause. OTOH, she said she wanted to get an
exact measurement to say for sure. Maybe when she said it's stable she means
it hasn't grown much since last measured. Maybe I'll know when I see her,
but I don't know when that will be.

Kimmy

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:11:58 GMT, "HotFlashesColdTears"
<kimstar2856@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I think you may have me confused with another poster.

Yes