Five surgical procedures to avoid - if you can

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27...ery/index.html

Hysterectomy is at the top of the list; the article discusses
alternatives such as uterine artery embolization and edometrial
ablations.

The others are:

Episiotomy (likely not a concern for most of the women here <G>,
but some have daughters)

Angioplasty

Heartburn surgery

Lower back surgery

Note that the article mentions drugs as alternatives to
angioplasty and heartburn surgery. But I think the message is,
investigate alternatives and get more than one opinion before
going under the knife.

[We all knew that, didn't we? Still, if _I'm_ the one in pain, I
could be likely to go for the first opinion, so I can use a
reminder now and then, in the hope that it will come to
consciousness at a time when I need it!]

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dog.

FurPaw wrote the following on 7/27/2007 5:27 PM:
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27...ery/index.html

> Episiotomy (likely not a concern for most of the women here <G>,
> but some have daughters)

I managed to avoid that one, but only because I had home births. The only
women in my area who were able to miss that in the hospital were the ones
who delivered so fast there was no time to cut.

No tears, just a slight nick, but my babies were tiny. My recovery was a
lot easier than my friends who had the full hospital intervention routines.

Karen R.

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Karen R. wrote:

> I managed to avoid that one, but only because I had home births. The
> only women in my area who were able to miss that in the hospital were
> the ones who delivered so fast there was no time to cut.
>
> No tears, just a slight nick, but my babies were tiny. My recovery was a
> lot easier than my friends who had the full hospital intervention routines.


I avoided all of them, including that one because my baby came flying
out like a rocket before even rotating shoulders. I tore a LOT and had
to have a few tears stitched up. It was not a comfortable recovery.

Susan

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Karen R. wrote:
>
>> I managed to avoid that one, but only because I had home births. The only
>> women in my area who were able to miss that in the hospital were the ones
>> who delivered so fast there was no time to cut.
>>
>> No tears, just a slight nick, but my babies were tiny. My recovery was a
>> lot easier than my friends who had the full hospital intervention
>> routines.
>
>
> I avoided all of them, including that one because my baby came flying out
> like a rocket before even rotating shoulders. I tore a LOT and had to
> have a few tears stitched up. It was not a comfortable recovery.
>
> Susan

I had an episiotomy with # one although I had hoped to avoid it, but being
in labor makes one very vunerable and after 22 hrs of labor if the doc says
you need one then you say go right ahead, just get the kid out.My memories
are still vivid and I couldn't sit for two weeks. Stupid intern 12 hrs after
birth noticed that I was sitting on my side and asked if I had
hemorrhoids.In my younger days I was more diplomatic and just shook my head
but all the while thinking," idiot, I just had a baby and epis 12 hrs ago
and you ask such an asinine question".

With # two I labored at home with a midwife and went to hosp to push her
out.No episiotomy and my OB's wife who took our birth pics saw me 4 hrs
after birth and told me I didn't look like a woman who just had a baby. Up
and around as if nothing had happened. BTW: that labour was only an hour
less than # one's but laboring at home makes the process much more relaxed
and comfortable. I think hospitals are the worse place for a normal labor.
The main reason for women delivering there is the "just in case" factor and
these days it's all the epiduralmania.

Roseanne

foggydoggy wrote the following on 7/27/2007 8:04 PM:

> I had an episiotomy with # one although I had hoped to avoid it, but being
> in labor makes one very vunerable and after 22 hrs of labor if the doc says
> you need one then you say go right ahead, just get the kid out.

It took two hours to push my son (firstborn, and my largest at 5lb 12oz).
It would have taken longer but the midwife said she was going to see if I
needed an episiotomy and I put everything I had into the next push. It
did the trick. :-) I don't know if she was serious or giving me an
incentive to work a little harder, but whichever it was it worked. With
my second I decided to try squatting to decrease the pushing time and she
came right out on the third push. My third was born 5 minutes after I
started pushing.

I haven't had any of the other surgeries, either.

Karen R.

On Jul 28, 4:55 am, "Karen R." <kre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> foggydoggy wrote the following on 7/27/2007 8:04 PM:
>
> > I had an episiotomy with # one although I had hoped to avoid it, but being
> > in labor makes one very vunerable and after 22 hrs of labor if the doc says
> > you need one then you say go right ahead, just get the kid out.
>
> It took two hours to push my son (firstborn, and my largest at 5lb 12oz).
> It would have taken longer but the midwife said she was going to see if I
> needed an episiotomy and I put everything I had into the next push. It
> did the trick. :-) I don't know if she was serious or giving me an
> incentive to work a little harder, but whichever it was it worked. With
> my second I decided to try squatting to decrease the pushing time and she
> came right out on the third push. My third was born 5 minutes after I
> started pushing.
>
> I haven't had any of the other surgeries, either.
>
> Karen R.

My first was 7lb 13oz. (3.550k) and after being in labor forever they
decided to take him out with vacuum. I have no idea how many stitches
I had, but the guy sewed for a very long time. I couldn't sit
comfortably for a month. Number two, 7lb 11oz (3.500k) came zipping
out, and though I tore a little bit, the recovery time was very short.

Other than births: a laparoscopic tubal ligation -- recovery time one
day. This was elective, a choice for which I have never been sorry,
thereafter avoiding all the paraphernalia of birth control. And an
appendectomy. Nothing I could do about that!

JustGB

On Jul 27, 2:27 pm, FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27...ery/index.html
>
> Hysterectomy is at the top of the list; the article discusses
> alternatives such as uterine artery embolization and edometrial
> ablations.

My hysterectomy, at age 33, was for cervical cancer, so most likely
necessary. I almost welcomed it a) because I was tired of my heavy
monthly bloodbaths, and b) I was always outrageously fertile and
wanted to remain childless. Of course my doctor (a woman!) didn't
discuss the disadvantages. One was immediatley apparent--a somewhat
less spectacular sex life. The other, much later, was all the meno
guesswork. Besides that, my hysterectomy was a positive experience.
Les



>
> The others are:
>
> Episiotomy (likely not a concern for most of the women here <G>,
> but some have daughters)
>
> Angioplasty
>
> Heartburn surgery
>
> Lower back surgery
>
> Note that the article mentions drugs as alternatives to
> angioplasty and heartburn surgery. But I think the message is,
> investigate alternatives and get more than one opinion before
> going under the knife.
>
> [We all knew that, didn't we? Still, if _I'm_ the one in pain, I
> could be likely to go for the first opinion, so I can use a
> reminder now and then, in the hope that it will come to
> consciousness at a time when I need it!]
>
> FurPaw
>
> --
> "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
> a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
> those who are cold and are not clothed."
> - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
> To reply, unleash the dog.

JustGB wrote the following on 7/28/2007 12:22 AM:

> My first was 7lb 13oz. (3.550k) and after being in labor forever they
> decided to take him out with vacuum. I have no idea how many stitches
> I had, but the guy sewed for a very long time. I couldn't sit
> comfortably for a month.

Ouch! I was told that I would have to deliver in a hospital if my baby
was over 7.5 pounds. I'm glad mine were small.

> Other than births: a laparoscopic tubal ligation -- recovery time one
> day. This was elective, a choice for which I have never been sorry,
> thereafter avoiding all the paraphernalia of birth control.

DH was "fixed" while I was pregnant with the last one. We debated which
one of us would have it done. Given that I would have to wait a while
after the birth before I could do it (I breastfed exclusively) and our
fertility, it made more sense for him to do it and end any chances for
further conception sooner. And I agree that it is so nice to not have to
worry about birth control, and not have to stress out every time my
period is a day late. I trust DH absolutely (not a fantasy -- he really
is a great guy), so there has been no need for any sort of protection.

Karen R.