New to group...

Hi,

I'm new to this group. I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods.
Because I need cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also
take the uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other surgery,
and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a reasonable
request?...or am I going to end up worse off by having it removed?

Thanks for any info!

"Gigglz" <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b7cun3dhtihnem2r3bi8hi8rpjo5l9cvo2@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this group. I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods.
> Because I need cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also
> take the uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
> mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other surgery,
> and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a reasonable
> request?...or am I going to end up worse off by having it removed?
>
> Thanks for any info!
----------------
Welcome to a.s.m. As I understand it, sometimes with bladder surgery they
have no choice but to take out the uterus. However, in general most of us
feel that a healthy organ should not be removed. I don't have any personal
experience with hysterectomy, but I am sure if you check back later today
you will find responses from women who have.

Could you elaborate a little more about your bladder problem? Is it just
stress incontinence, or is it something else? Because I at one time was
considering bladder suspension surgery for stress incontinence. I didn't do
it, and to my great amazement the problem lessened considerably as soon as
I got through menopause.

Eva

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:56:59 GMT, "Eva"
<EvaDStructionNOT@NOTverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Gigglz" <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:b7cun3dhtihnem2r3bi8hi8rpjo5l9cvo2@4ax.com.. .
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm new to this group. I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods.
>> Because I need cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also
>> take the uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
>> mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other surgery,
>> and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a reasonable
>> request?...or am I going to end up worse off by having it removed?
>>
>> Thanks for any info!
>----------------
>Welcome to a.s.m. As I understand it, sometimes with bladder surgery they
>have no choice but to take out the uterus. However, in general most of us
>feel that a healthy organ should not be removed. I don't have any personal
>experience with hysterectomy, but I am sure if you check back later today
>you will find responses from women who have.

Thank you, Eva. Right now, all of it is driving me crazy :-(


>Could you elaborate a little more about your bladder problem? Is it just
>stress incontinence, or is it something else? Because I at one time was
>considering bladder suspension surgery for stress incontinence. I didn't do
>it, and to my great amazement the problem lessened considerably as soon as
>I got through menopause.
>
>Eva


A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.

Gigglz (Deb)

Gigglz wrote:

> I'm new to this group. I'm almost 51 and I'm still having
> periods. Because I need cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they
> should also take the uterus out that has become an 'annoyance',
> if you know what I mean! I have an appointment next Friday to
> discuss the other surgery, and I'm going to request it. Does
> this sound like a reasonable request?...or am I going to end up
> worse off by having it removed?

If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
I haven't regretted mine, but I already had fibroids - one huge and
lots small. Ask your doctor whether you have any: one operation is
(imho - I am not a doctor) lots better than two. And find out exactly
how much cosmetic surgery he intends to do, and for what purpose.

Joyce of Pendle.

From the FAQ:
> If you are surgically menopausal, or considering hysterectomy,
> you might wish to visit this site:
> http://www.hystersisters.com/
> a site devoted to the special concerns of "surgipausal" women.

--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
pendle atte boulsworth dotco_dotuk

Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.

I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
fixing the problem with another body part?

And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
<http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:35 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
(Keera Ann Fox) wrote:

>Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>
>I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
>organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
>fixing the problem with another body part?

The thing is, it isn't healthy. The fibroids are causing severe
bleeding. Guess I should have mentioned that :-)


>And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
><http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>

Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
I don't get any cramping or anything.

Thanks much,
Gigglz

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:40:17 +0000 (GMT), Joyce of Pendle
<pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Gigglz wrote:
>
>> I'm new to this group. I'm almost 51 and I'm still having
>> periods. Because I need cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they
>> should also take the uterus out that has become an 'annoyance',
>> if you know what I mean! I have an appointment next Friday to
>> discuss the other surgery, and I'm going to request it. Does
>> this sound like a reasonable request?...or am I going to end up
>> worse off by having it removed?



>If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
>cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
>will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
>I haven't regretted mine, but I already had fibroids - one huge and
>lots small. Ask your doctor whether you have any: one operation is
>(imho - I am not a doctor) lots better than two. And find out exactly
>how much cosmetic surgery he intends to do, and for what purpose.
>
>Joyce of Pendle.
>
>From the FAQ:
>> If you are surgically menopausal, or considering hysterectomy,
>> you might wish to visit this site:
>> http://www.hystersisters.com/
>> a site devoted to the special concerns of "surgipausal" women.


LOL @ "baby factory"!! hahahahahaha!!
No, they would leave the ovaries...just take the uterus. I'll go thru
menopause normally. I have fibroids, too, causing severe bleeding.
I was wondering if during the surgery, they could get rid of all my
belly fat, too! LOL :-) :-)

Thanks, Joyce!

Gigglz

In article <4f5ce3af20pendle@invalid.invalid>,
Joyce of Pendle <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
> cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
> will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.

I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for women.
I know that some women experience that, but all?

Priscilla

Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:35 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>
> >Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
> >> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
> >> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
> >
> >I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
> >organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
> >fixing the problem with another body part?
>
> The thing is, it isn't healthy. The fibroids are causing severe
> bleeding. Guess I should have mentioned that :-)

Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?

> >And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
> >amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
> >(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
> >researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
> >to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
> >feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
> ><http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>
> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
> I don't get any cramping or anything.

Not even orgasms?

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:03:18 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article <4f5ce3af20pendle@invalid.invalid>,
> Joyce of Pendle <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
>> cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
>> will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
>
>I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for women.
>I know that some women experience that, but all?
>
>Priscilla


Well we know that Jane Fonda sure didn't have that problem :-) hehe

Gigglz

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:04:47 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
(Keera Ann Fox) wrote:

>Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:35 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
>> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>>
>> >Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>> >> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>> >> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>> >
>> >I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
>> >organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
>> >fixing the problem with another body part?
>>
>> The thing is, it isn't healthy. The fibroids are causing severe
>> bleeding. Guess I should have mentioned that :-)
>
>Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
>menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
>old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
>others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?

Yup :-)


>> >And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>> >amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>> >(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>> >researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>> >to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>> >feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>> ><http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>>
>> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
>> I don't get any cramping or anything.
>Not even orgasms?

Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
> menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
> old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
> others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?
>
Just adding - there is a lot of information on line about
nonsurgical treatment of fibroids - google on
fibroids treatment .

>>> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>>> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>>> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>>> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>>> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>>> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>>> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>

Isn't that the pits - lose uterus and still get the cramps!!!!
(I didn't, but I had the hysterectomy a while after I'd stopped
menstruating, and the last few periods were cramp-free.)

>> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
>> I don't get any cramping or anything.

> Not even orgasms?

IME orgasms remained after hysterectomy (cervix left intact,
uterus, ovaries & fallopian tubes removed), but they are ...
different. Hard to describe. (Then again, their quality may
have been changing anyhow due to menopause.)

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

Keera Ann Fox wrote:

>>> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>>> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>>> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>>> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>>> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>>> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>>> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>

Thanks for this link! I really admire Ramachandran - he is one
of the most creative scientists I've read. Have you read his
"Phantoms in the Brain"?

If you liked this talk, you'd probably be interested in a new
book by Nicholas Doidge called "The Brain that Changes Itself."
It's about recent research in neuroplasticity - including
phantom limbs and Ramachandran's use of mirrors to eradicate the
phemonenon, mentioned in the above talk - and about how many
current views of the fixedness of the brain are being turned
upside down. It's a fascinating read. [Even the chapter on
psychoanalysis, which still relies too much on retrospective
explanation, is interesting in the way he tries to link some
aspects of psychoanalytic theory to recent brain findings.] I
think you'd really enjoy it.

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

Gigglz wrote:
> Joyce of Pendle wrote: [snipped]
> >Gigglz wrote:

> >> I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods. Because I need
> >> cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also take the
> >> uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
> >> mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other
> >> surgery, and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a
> >> reasonable request?...or am I going to end up worse off by
> >> having it removed?

> No, they would leave the ovaries...just take the uterus.

Why leave them? The doctor didn't tell me he was taking mine out,
but then he didn't tell me about the (unwanted, unappreciated)
cosmetic surgery to my vagina either. It is possible he saw
something wrong with the ovaries on the operating table. I had of
course signed a consent form for him to do as he thought best.

> I'll go thru menopause normally. I have fibroids, too, causing
> severe bleeding. I was wondering if during the surgery, they
> could get rid of all my belly fat, too! LOL :-) :-)

In your position (as I nearly was) I'd get rid of the fibroids in
the quickest, most thorough way (remove uterus). I think you would
have to have a second surgeon to remove the fat, it isn't a
gynaecologists job. I don't recommend it; a hysterectomy is quite
major enough on its own.

> Thanks, Joyce!

You are quite welcome.



> Gigglz

Joyce of Pendle.

--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
pendle atte boulsworth dotco_dotuk

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> Joyce of Pendle wrote:

> > If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you
> > won't get cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or
> > fibroids, you will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.

> I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for
> women. I know that some women experience that, but all?

AFAIK == as far as I know. In this case, I know my own experience
and the reported experience of a few others. "All" is a word I try
to avoid - sorry if I'm being a prig.

Joyce of Pendle.

--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
pendle atte boulsworth dotco_dotuk

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:09:02 -0700, FurPaw
<furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

>Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> > Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
>> menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
>> old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
>> others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?
>>
>Just adding - there is a lot of information on line about
>nonsurgical treatment of fibroids - google on
> fibroids treatment .
>
>>>> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>>>> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>>>> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>>>> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>>>> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>>>> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>>>> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>
>Isn't that the pits - lose uterus and still get the cramps!!!!
>(I didn't, but I had the hysterectomy a while after I'd stopped
>menstruating, and the last few periods were cramp-free.)
>
>>> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
>>> I don't get any cramping or anything.
>
>> Not even orgasms?
>
>IME orgasms remained after hysterectomy (cervix left intact,
>uterus, ovaries & fallopian tubes removed), but they are ...
>different. Hard to describe. (Then again, their quality may
>have been changing anyhow due to menopause.)
>
>FurPaw

Thanks, FurPaw!!

Gigglz

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:59:36 +0000 (GMT), Joyce of Pendle
<pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Gigglz wrote:
>> Joyce of Pendle wrote: [snipped]
>> >Gigglz wrote:
>
>> >> I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods. Because I need
>> >> cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also take the
>> >> uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
>> >> mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other
>> >> surgery, and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a
>> >> reasonable request?...or am I going to end up worse off by
>> >> having it removed?
>
>> No, they would leave the ovaries...just take the uterus.
>
>Why leave them? The doctor didn't tell me he was taking mine out,
>but then he didn't tell me about the (unwanted, unappreciated)
>cosmetic surgery to my vagina either. It is possible he saw
>something wrong with the ovaries on the operating table. I had of
>course signed a consent form for him to do as he thought best.

Over in 'these parts', they don't like to take the ovaries unless
there is something wrong with them...because it crashes you into
menopause. If your doc took them out, he probably saw something
wrong...like you said.



>> I'll go thru menopause normally. I have fibroids, too, causing
>> severe bleeding. I was wondering if during the surgery, they
>> could get rid of all my belly fat, too! LOL :-) :-)
>
>In your position (as I nearly was) I'd get rid of the fibroids in
>the quickest, most thorough way (remove uterus). I think you would
>have to have a second surgeon to remove the fat, it isn't a
>gynaecologists job. I don't recommend it; a hysterectomy is quite
>major enough on its own.

I know, I was joking about the fat part. LOL


>
>> Thanks, Joyce!
>
>You are quite welcome.


:-) Gigglz

I know when I had a Marshall-Marchetti 26 years ago they didn't do a
Hysto...but I was told by a GYN that I worked with, that I would probably
have the problem again as the Uterus was the cause of the prolapsed bladder.
I do have some leakage now..but it's not as bad as it was when I was in my
30's. The main cause was from 3 kids in five years and quick births...plus
probably pushing when I should not have
"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1iaamxa.1ruaygu7nmj1N%thinkbig.shrinktofit@on line.no...
> Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>
> I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
> organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
> fixing the problem with another body part?
>
> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

I've been in Menopause for 7(?) years and those suckers haven't shrunk and
are giving me more problems now than they did before Meno

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1iabehe.1whqw6j6ydz0mN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
> Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:35 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
>> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>>
>> >Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>> >> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>> >> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>> >
>> >I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
>> >organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
>> >fixing the problem with another body part?
>>
>> The thing is, it isn't healthy. The fibroids are causing severe
>> bleeding. Guess I should have mentioned that :-)
>
> Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
> menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
> old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
> others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?
>
>> >And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>> >amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>> >(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>> >researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>> >to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>> >feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>> ><http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>>
>> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
>> I don't get any cramping or anything.
>
> Not even orgasms?
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

My sister had a hysto 8-10 years ago and her sex life is still alive and
very healthy. She was in her mid 40's and told the Dr to go ahead and take
her ovaries since she was getting close to meno. It's a good thing they took
them.... there where a few questionable cells that showed up in the biopsy.
jacquie

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-6202AE.15031806012008@individual.net...
> In article <4f5ce3af20pendle@invalid.invalid>,
> Joyce of Pendle <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
>> cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
>> will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
>
> I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for women.
> I know that some women experience that, but all?
>
> Priscilla

Wow, they literally saved her life!

Gigglz


On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:22:39 -0700, "jacquie"
<happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote:

>My sister had a hysto 8-10 years ago and her sex life is still alive and
>very healthy. She was in her mid 40's and told the Dr to go ahead and take
>her ovaries since she was getting close to meno. It's a good thing they took
>them.... there where a few questionable cells that showed up in the biopsy.
>jacquie
>
>"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:vze23t8n-6202AE.15031806012008@individual.net...
>> In article <4f5ce3af20pendle@invalid.invalid>,
>> Joyce of Pendle <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
>>> cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
>>> will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
>>
>> I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for women.
>> I know that some women experience that, but all?
>>
>> Priscilla
>

"Suckers" is a very good name for them~!~
Sorry you have to deal with them!

Gigglz




On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:16:54 -0700, "jacquie"
<happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I've been in Menopause for 7(?) years and those suckers haven't shrunk and
>are giving me more problems now than they did before Meno
>
>"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
>news:1iabehe.1whqw6j6ydz0mN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@ online.no...
>> Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:35 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
>>> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>>> >> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>>> >> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>>> >
>>> >I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
>>> >organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
>>> >fixing the problem with another body part?
>>>
>>> The thing is, it isn't healthy. The fibroids are causing severe
>>> bleeding. Guess I should have mentioned that :-)
>>
>> Nowadays, hysterectomy is not the cure for fibroids (they shrink after
>> menopause, so a hysterectomy is overkill), unless you have an
>> old-fashioned doctor. There are many others; some involve medication,
>> others minor out-patient procedures. Did you get a second opinion?
>>
>>> >And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>>> >amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>>> >(sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>>> >researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>>> >to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>>> >feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>>> ><http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>>>
>>> Well since I don't feel it there now, I don't think I'll miss it :-)
>>> I don't get any cramping or anything.
>>
>> Not even orgasms?
>>
>> --
>> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
>> http://home.online.no/~kafox/
>

Thank you. I too was wondering if the uterus could be the reason for
the prolapse!

Wow, three kids in five years? My daughter, too...and they did a
total hysterectomy on her. That's really rough on your body, I'm
sure!

Gigglz


On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:14:59 -0700, "jacquie"
<happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I know when I had a Marshall-Marchetti 26 years ago they didn't do a
>Hysto...but I was told by a GYN that I worked with, that I would probably
>have the problem again as the Uterus was the cause of the prolapsed bladder.
>I do have some leakage now..but it's not as bad as it was when I was in my
>30's. The main cause was from 3 kids in five years and quick births...plus
>probably pushing when I should not have
>"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
>news:1iaamxa.1ruaygu7nmj1N%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
>> Gigglz <Frekklz@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A cystocele is the bladder bulging thru the pelvic wall into the
>>> uterus. It can cause problems urinating, etc. The bulge is quite
>>> bad, and I have constant burning now as a result.
>>
>> I have no personal experience with any of this, but why remove a healthy
>> organ (that is also holding some other stuff in place) unrelated to
>> fixing the problem with another body part?
>>
>> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
>> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
>> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
>> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
>> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
>> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
>> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>>
>> --
>> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
>> http://home.online.no/~kafox/
>

You can get rid of fibroids without getting rid of your uterus. You can
have a uterine artery embolization. I did as well as Chak. I needed to
have an ablation 9 months later because of some remaining though not as bad
heavy bleeding but I don't regret either for the world.

Stacey

"Joyce of Pendle" <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4f5d21e0bbpendle@invalid.invalid...
> Gigglz wrote:
>> Joyce of Pendle wrote: [snipped]
>> >Gigglz wrote:
>
>> >> I'm almost 51 and I'm still having periods. Because I need
>> >> cystocele/rectocele surgery...I feel they should also take the
>> >> uterus out that has become an 'annoyance', if you know what I
>> >> mean! I have an appointment next Friday to discuss the other
>> >> surgery, and I'm going to request it. Does this sound like a
>> >> reasonable request?...or am I going to end up worse off by
>> >> having it removed?
>
>> No, they would leave the ovaries...just take the uterus.
>
> Why leave them? The doctor didn't tell me he was taking mine out,
> but then he didn't tell me about the (unwanted, unappreciated)
> cosmetic surgery to my vagina either. It is possible he saw
> something wrong with the ovaries on the operating table. I had of
> course signed a consent form for him to do as he thought best.
>
>> I'll go thru menopause normally. I have fibroids, too, causing
>> severe bleeding. I was wondering if during the surgery, they
>> could get rid of all my belly fat, too! LOL :-) :-)
>
> In your position (as I nearly was) I'd get rid of the fibroids in
> the quickest, most thorough way (remove uterus). I think you would
> have to have a second surgeon to remove the fat, it isn't a
> gynaecologists job. I don't recommend it; a hysterectomy is quite
> major enough on its own.
>
>> Thanks, Joyce!
>
> You are quite welcome.
>
>
>
>> Gigglz
>
> Joyce of Pendle.
>
> --
> "The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
> pendle atte boulsworth dotco_dotuk

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-6202AE.15031806012008@individual.net...
> In article <4f5ce3af20pendle@invalid.invalid>,
> Joyce of Pendle <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If you have the whole baby factory removed, then AFAIK you won't get
>> cervical or ovarian cancer, you won't get orgasms or fibroids, you
>> will go from peri- to post-menopause immediately.
>
> I hadn't thought that hysterectomy universally ended orgasms for women.
> I know that some women experience that, but all?
>
> Priscilla

I certainly haven't had that problem.

Peahen

"Joyce of Pendle" <pendle@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4f5d21e0bbpendle@invalid.invalid...
>> Why leave them? The doctor didn't tell me he was taking mine out,
> but then he didn't tell me about the (unwanted, unappreciated)
> cosmetic surgery to my vagina either. It is possible he saw
> something wrong with the ovaries on the operating table. I had of
> course signed a consent form for him to do as he thought best.
>
>
> In your position (as I nearly was) I'd get rid of the fibroids in
> the quickest, most thorough way (remove uterus).

Wow, I'm glad I didn't have your doctor. My ovaries were taken with my
consent (and lack of knowledge at the time). I had dermoid cysts.

I would have left them in and only had the cysts removed had I known more
about it all.

I don't really regret my hysterectomy (mine, too, was because of large and
painful fibroids), but I certainly don't push this solution for that
condition. I'd look at other options first.

Peahen

"Peahen" <Peahen1955@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fltnft$v48$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> Wow, I'm glad I didn't have your doctor. My ovaries were taken with my
> consent (and lack of knowledge at the time).

I meant my lack of knowledge about the other possibilities.

On Jan 7, 9:30*am, "Peahen" <Peahen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Peahen" <Peahen1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fltnft$v48$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
> > Wow, I'm glad I didn't have your doctor. My ovaries were taken with my
> > consent (and lack of knowledge at the time).
>
> I meant my lack of knowledge about the other possibilities.

I had my hysterectomy at age 33 for cervical cancer, ovaries intact.
I still have just as many orgasms as before, but they're not as
intense. No phantom cramps. One difficult aspect of early
hysterectomy is having to guess the timing of menopause. The whole
process is more confusing. If your symptoms are so bad that you
resort to hormone replacement, you should probably get hormone level
tests first, because there are good reasons not to start HRT before
you're actually menopausal.
Les

FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> >>> And since I just came across this: You may have heard that people who
> >>> amputate body parts, feel that body part as a phantom limb afterwards
> >>> (sometimes including pain). I just saw a talk given by a brain
> >>> researcher, and he said that that phantom limb experience also applied
> >>> to internal organs. Some women who have had a hysterectomy, continue to
> >>> feel menstrual cramping at the appropriate time of the month.
> >>> <http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/vilayanur_ramac.php>
>
> Thanks for this link! I really admire Ramachandran - he is one
> of the most creative scientists I've read. Have you read his
> "Phantoms in the Brain"?
>
> If you liked this talk, you'd probably be interested in a new
> book by Nicholas Doidge called "The Brain that Changes Itself."
> It's about recent research in neuroplasticity - including
> phantom limbs and Ramachandran's use of mirrors to eradicate the
> phemonenon, mentioned in the above talk - and about how many
> current views of the fixedness of the brain are being turned
> upside down. It's a fascinating read. [Even the chapter on
> psychoanalysis, which still relies too much on retrospective
> explanation, is interesting in the way he tries to link some
> aspects of psychoanalytic theory to recent brain findings.] I
> think you'd really enjoy it.

I think I would, too. (Actually, I keep meaning to explore the whole TED
website. Too many fun things to read, and too little time!)

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/