A NEW YORK TIMES article on HRT

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html

A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
future, who knows?

I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
results from the HRT. YMMV

Great find, Harry; thanks for posting this.

Eva
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"Harry Mary Andruschak" <adoptsoldcats@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> future, who knows?
>
> I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
> flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
> developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
> negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
> the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
> rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
> results from the HRT. YMMV

"Harry Mary Andruschak" <adoptsoldcats@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> future, who knows?

Thanks - am printing it out now...

Cathy


>
> I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
> flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
> developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
> negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
> the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
> rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
> results from the HRT. YMMV

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Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> future, who knows?
>
> I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
> flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
> developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
> negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
> the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
> rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
> results from the HRT. YMMV

In 20 years or less, you'll be reading the exact same sort of article
about statin drugs.

Susan

On Dec 13, 2:17�pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> > A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> > future, who knows?
>
> > I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
> > flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
> > developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
> > negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
> > the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
> > rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
> > results from the HRT. YMMV
>
> In 20 years or less, you'll be reading the exact same sort of article
> about statin drugs.
>
> Susan

What are "statin" drugs?

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Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:

> What are "statin" drugs?


Cholesterol lowering drugs.

The biggest scandal in medicine right now, for my buck.

Perfect analogy to oral HRT, the way the pharma operate and buy consensus.

Susan

"Susan" <susan@nothanks.org> wrote in message
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>
> Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
>
>> What are "statin" drugs?
>
>
> Cholesterol lowering drugs.
>
> The biggest scandal in medicine right now, for my buck.
>
> Perfect analogy to oral HRT, the way the pharma operate and buy consensus.
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And the nursing home where I work is now getting short-term rehab patients
who collapsed with rhabdomyolysis from taking these wonder drugs.

Eva

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Eva wrote:
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> And the nursing home where I work is now getting short-term rehab patients
> who collapsed with rhabdomyolysis from taking these wonder drugs.
>

My mother's dead from the fallout from statins she never needed to begin
with.

LDL cholesterol does not cause CVD. It's a lie to sell drugs. LDL is
what all our adrenal steroids, including sex hormones, stress hormones
and electrolyte balancing hormones are made from.

Our bodies raise LDL when something is requiring excess steroids, or
when something is suppressing regular levels of steroids. Most often,
that something is high insulin levels from grain and sugar lobby
promoted dietary recommendations. Drug companies are thrilled to say
diet doesn't work, but keep eating low fat, high carb and we're in business!

Sometimes it's due to undiagnosed chronic infections or other stressors.
Lowering LDL cripples our ability to maintain proper immune function
and muscle and energy. It raises cancer incidence, causes cognitive
losses and as you've said, can be crippling.

It's a scandal. Label something "bad cholesterol" that keeps us alive,
then disable our adrenals by selling drugs to lower it.

Susan

Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> future, who knows?

How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal
therapy "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies.
I wonder if she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who
follow her advice.

“Where there has always been a push is where there isn’t data,”
says Dr. Fugh-Berman, who has been a paid expert witness for
plaintiffs in the hormone litigation. “Now, low-dose hormones are
being pushed.” Pushed is the right word.

FurPaw

--
We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand.
-Eric Hoffer

To reply, unleash the dog.

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FurPaw wrote:

> How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal therapy
> "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies. I wonder if
> she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who follow her advice.

Does that happen to them? I think she's a dope, but I don't know if
she's recommending oral or transdermal HRT. I do know that my endo
thinks true bio identical with estrone is a Very Bad Idea.

>
> “Where there has always been a push is where there isn’t data,” says Dr.
> Fugh-Berman, who has been a paid expert witness for plaintiffs in the
> hormone litigation. “Now, low-dose hormones are being pushed.” Pushed
> is the right word.

Statin pushers are doing the most damage, now. Unless and until we have
independent investigation. NIH is currently undertaking a study of
adrenal suppression by statins. NOW, 30 years of pushing later???

Sounds oh, so familiar.

Susan

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>>
>> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
>> future, who knows?
>>
>> I took HRT, Premarin to be exact, precisely to deal with the hot
>> flushing. Worked great, too, aside from the gynecomastia that I
>> developed. My Physician yanked me off Premarin as soon as the first
>> negative studies came out, and the flushing returned. Over the years
>> the flushing has become milder and less frequent, to the point where I
>> rarely carry my hand fan. As far as I can tell, I have had no negative
>> results from the HRT. YMMV
>
> In 20 years or less, you'll be reading the exact same sort of article
> about statin drugs.
>
> Susan

Agreed about the statins!

As to this article--and I confess that I haven't yet finished the entire
thing--I can see suing the drug manufacturer for overstating the drug's
benefits when the research didn't support their assertions, but the
relationship to breast cancer has been well-known. My mother took
prempro and every information sheet has this warning. It just drives me
crazy for people to sue any company claiming they didn't know the risks
of the drug.

Just my 2 cents. :-)
Michelle C.

In article <7oni4aF3r14okU1@mid.individual.net>,
Susan <susan@nothanks.org> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> FurPaw wrote:
>
> > How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal therapy
> > "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies. I wonder if
> > she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who follow her advice.
>
> Does that happen to them? I think she's a dope, but I don't know if
> she's recommending oral or transdermal HRT. I do know that my endo
> thinks true bio identical with estrone is a Very Bad Idea.

Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
other blonde celebrity.

> > ³Where there has always been a push is where there isn¹t data,² says Dr.
> > Fugh-Berman, who has been a paid expert witness for plaintiffs in the
> > hormone litigation. ³Now, low-dose hormones are being pushed.² Pushed
> > is the right word.
>
> Statin pushers are doing the most damage, now. Unless and until we have
> independent investigation. NIH is currently undertaking a study of
> adrenal suppression by statins. NOW, 30 years of pushing later???
>
> Sounds oh, so familiar.

Yup.

PP

"Peppermint Patootie" <peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newseppermint_patootie-8ACAC8.13462817122009@individual.net...
> In article <7oni4aF3r14okU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Susan <susan@nothanks.org> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> FurPaw wrote:
>>
>> > How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal
>> > therapy
>> > "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies. I wonder if
>> > she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who follow her advice.
>>
>> Does that happen to them? I think she's a dope, but I don't know if
>> she's recommending oral or transdermal HRT. I do know that my endo
>> thinks true bio identical with estrone is a Very Bad Idea.
>
> Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
> other blonde celebrity.

Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?

Cathy



>
>> > ³Where there has always been a push is where there isn¹t data,² says
>> > Dr.
>> > Fugh-Berman, who has been a paid expert witness for plaintiffs in the
>> > hormone litigation. ³Now, low-dose hormones are being pushed.² Pushed
>> > is the right word.
>>
>> Statin pushers are doing the most damage, now. Unless and until we have
>> independent investigation. NIH is currently undertaking a study of
>> adrenal suppression by statins. NOW, 30 years of pushing later???
>>
>> Sounds oh, so familiar.
>
> Yup.
>
> PP

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Peppermint Patootie wrote:

> Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
> other blonde celebrity.

No, she's been cured of her breast cancer despite using HRT for years.
Makes me think she may be using transdermal, not oral.

Susan

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Cathy wrote:

> Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?
>

Died of anal cancer.

Susan

Cathy wrote:
> "Peppermint Patootie" <peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newseppermint_patootie-8ACAC8.13462817122009@individual.net...
>> In article <7oni4aF3r14okU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Susan <susan@nothanks.org> wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> FurPaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal
>>>> therapy
>>>> "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies. I wonder if
>>>> she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who follow her advice.
>>> Does that happen to them? I think she's a dope, but I don't know if
>>> she's recommending oral or transdermal HRT. I do know that my endo
>>> thinks true bio identical with estrone is a Very Bad Idea.
>> Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
>> other blonde celebrity.
>
> Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?
>
>

It wasn't *breast* cancer that got Farrah.

--
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> Cathy wrote:
>> "Peppermint Patootie" <peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> newseppermint_patootie-8ACAC8.13462817122009@individual.net...
>>> In article <7oni4aF3r14okU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Susan <susan@nothanks.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>
>>>> FurPaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How sad, how very very sad, that Somers is considered a hormonal
>>>>> therapy
>>>>> "guru" and that her book has sold over 2 million copies. I wonder if
>>>>> she is paying for treating BC and EC in women who follow her advice.
>>>> Does that happen to them? I think she's a dope, but I don't know if
>>>> she's recommending oral or transdermal HRT. I do know that my endo
>>>> thinks true bio identical with estrone is a Very Bad Idea.
>>> Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
>>> other blonde celebrity.
>>
>> Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?
>>
>
> It wasn't *breast* cancer that got Farrah.

I couldn't remember what she died from, but figured she may've been the
blond celebrity Priscilla was thinking of.

Cathy


>
> --
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In article <Ee2dnXDMUvPCBrfWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Cathy" <clfr@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> > Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
> > other blonde celebrity.
>
> Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?

Aha! Thanks.

Priscilla

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> In article <Ee2dnXDMUvPCBrfWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Cathy" <clfr@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> > Didn't she just die of breast cancer? Or am I mixing her up with some
>> > other blonde celebrity.
>>
>> Nope. Maybe Farrah Fawcett (sp??)?
>
> Aha! Thanks.
>
> Priscilla

You're welcome!

Cathy

"Harry Mary Andruschak" <adoptsoldcats@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13drug.html
>
> A nice summing up of the situation, past and present. As for the
> future, who knows?

I wish the article had been more descriptive about the suffering of the
horses used to manufacture Premarin and Prempro instead of mentioning it in
passing. People decide not to wear fur, eat factory-farmed food, or use
household cleaners if they know animals were harmed to make it. Drug
manufacturers ought to provide the same disclosure.
If that woman who admitted taking Prempro for 16 years knew how many horses
urinated and died for her, I wonder if she'd still take it.