OT: To Diabetics

I just read on one website that the American Diabetes Association is
now approving a low carb diet for diabetics. Anyone else heard about
that? This is a big deal for them, they have fought the idea forever.
I checked the ADA website and it says nothing about it, not even in
their news releases.

Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

In article <5ia7o31j602fmedtbq938vf0abnoqusies@4ax.com>,
Dana? <AneeBear@ownmail.com> wrote:

> I just read on one website that the American Diabetes Association is
> now approving a low carb diet for diabetics. Anyone else heard about
> that? This is a big deal for them, they have fought the idea forever.
> I checked the ADA website and it says nothing about it, not even in
> their news releases.

The ADA is no saying low carb may be ok for a weight loss diet. They
haven't figured out that reducing carb consumption might help people
treat their disease which makes it difficult for them to process carbs
healthily. If their sponsors in the cereal and candy industries would
stop jumping up and down and shouting in their ears they might have a
chance, but without those sponsors they wouldn't exist so.....

Stick with the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists.
They're not paid for by sugar and starch.

Priscilla

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Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
> In article <5ia7o31j602fmedtbq938vf0abnoqusies@4ax.com>,
> Dana? <AneeBear@ownmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I just read on one website that the American Diabetes Association is
>>now approving a low carb diet for diabetics. Anyone else heard about
>>that? This is a big deal for them, they have fought the idea forever.
>>I checked the ADA website and it says nothing about it, not even in
>>their news releases.
>
>
> The ADA is no saying low carb may be ok for a weight loss diet. They
> haven't figured out that reducing carb consumption might help people
> treat their disease which makes it difficult for them to process carbs
> healthily. If their sponsors in the cereal and candy industries would
> stop jumping up and down and shouting in their ears they might have a
> chance, but without those sponsors they wouldn't exist so.....
>
> Stick with the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists.
> They're not paid for by sugar and starch.
>
> Priscilla

The AACE guidelines aren't so great, either. And they get a LOT of
perks from the ADA and from drug companies.

Susan

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:59:01 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

>The AACE guidelines aren't so great, either. And they get a LOT of
>perks from the ADA and from drug companies.


This goes back to "who do you believe"?



Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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Dana© wrote:

> This goes back to "who do you believe"?
>

Not for me it doesn't.

I read the research and use my meter.

My results have remained in the non diabetic range, and even when my
cortisol runs high, my A1c is in the 5% range.

Susan

Dana© wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:59:01 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The AACE guidelines aren't so great, either. And they get a LOT of
>> perks from the ADA and from drug companies.
>
>
> This goes back to "who do you believe"?
>
>
>
> Dana
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


I listen to my body. My blood sugar always tested in the normal
range, but i bloated, changed radically from a pear shape to an apple
and couldn't lose even on a healthy natural whole-foods diet of
1000 calories a day. I went low carb and it worked, but of course
i was never "officially" diabetic so everybody insists i'm being silly
and melodramatic when i insist that i am, and when i insist that i
really did not overeat, and when i refuse to eat the sugary white
carbs.

If my health is better, then to [bleep!] with 'em! 8~)

--
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nickelshrink wrote:
> Dana© wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:59:01 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The AACE guidelines aren't so great, either. And they get a LOT of
>>> perks from the ADA and from drug companies.
>>
>>
>> This goes back to "who do you believe"?
>>
>>
>> Dana
>> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
>> good with ketchup.
>
>
> I listen to my body.

I listen to my body too - and a high protein/low carb diet leaves me
feeling STARVING half an hour after eating, so I end up eating more,
then I get the "too much meat/fat" trots. (I love a good steak, but
any more than a 4 ounce one will make me feel quite ill)

Bananas are my "comfort food". I tend to pig out on dried fruit
(apricots, raisins, figs) rather than candy or chocolate. A good bowl
of porridge (proper porridge, not instant oatmeal) with dried fruit
for breakfast will keep me going most of the day, whereas the
traditional "Full English" (sausage, eggs, bacon) will leave me
wanting an early lunch. With porridge, fruit and cheese I can go for
weeks in the summer without wanting to eat meat, but in the winter I
long for nice thick stews with lots of root veggies and mushrooms.


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Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
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Jette wrote:

> I listen to my body too - and a high protein/low carb diet leaves me
> feeling STARVING half an hour after eating, so I end up eating more,
> then I get the "too much meat/fat" trots. (I love a good steak, but any
> more than a 4 ounce one will make me feel quite ill)
>
> Bananas are my "comfort food". I tend to pig out on dried fruit
> (apricots, raisins, figs) rather than candy or chocolate. A good bowl
> of porridge (proper porridge, not instant oatmeal) with dried fruit for
> breakfast will keep me going most of the day, whereas the traditional
> "Full English" (sausage, eggs, bacon) will leave me wanting an early
> lunch. With porridge, fruit and cheese I can go for weeks in the summer
> without wanting to eat meat, but in the winter I long for nice thick
> stews with lots of root veggies and mushrooms.
>
>

Jette, do you test with a meter one hour after eating? It'd be
interesting to see how different meals affect your bg.

If I just listened to my body without using a meter, I'd have a lot less
useful information.

Susan

Susan wrote:
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>
> Jette wrote:
>
>> I listen to my body too - and a high protein/low carb diet leaves me
>> feeling STARVING half an hour after eating, so I end up eating more,
>> then I get the "too much meat/fat" trots. (I love a good steak, but
>> any more than a 4 ounce one will make me feel quite ill)
>>
>> Bananas are my "comfort food". I tend to pig out on dried fruit
>> (apricots, raisins, figs) rather than candy or chocolate. A good bowl
>> of porridge (proper porridge, not instant oatmeal) with dried fruit
>> for breakfast will keep me going most of the day, whereas the
>> traditional "Full English" (sausage, eggs, bacon) will leave me
>> wanting an early lunch. With porridge, fruit and cheese I can go for
>> weeks in the summer without wanting to eat meat, but in the winter I
>> long for nice thick stews with lots of root veggies and mushrooms.
>>
>>
>
> Jette, do you test with a meter one hour after eating? It'd be
> interesting to see how different meals affect your bg.
>
> If I just listened to my body without using a meter, I'd have a lot less
> useful information.
>

My bg is always 5.5 - 6, (bog standard normal) whether I'm fasting or
after eating (well, except when I've fasted for 36 hours, when it
drops to a slightly low 4 and I get grouchy and headachy) Adult onset
Type 1 diabetes runs in my family so I get tested regularly, but
apparently it's passed me by and I'm now well past the age it usually
hits family members.

--
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

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Jette wrote:

> My bg is always 5.5 - 6, (bog standard normal) whether I'm fasting or
> after eating (well, except when I've fasted for 36 hours, when it drops
> to a slightly low 4 and I get grouchy and headachy) Adult onset Type 1
> diabetes runs in my family so I get tested regularly, but apparently
> it's passed me by and I'm now well past the age it usually hits family
> members.
>

Is that a fasting test, or 45 minutes after eating porridge? I ask
because it's known that the fbg fails to diagnose almost all diabetics
until their DM is very well advanced. Compared to a two hour glucose,
it misses 70% of female DMs. If that were 1 hour post meal, I'm sure it
would be closer to 100%.

Susan

Susan wrote:
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>
> Jette wrote:
>
>> My bg is always 5.5 - 6, (bog standard normal) whether I'm fasting or
>> after eating (well, except when I've fasted for 36 hours, when it
>> drops to a slightly low 4 and I get grouchy and headachy) Adult onset
>> Type 1 diabetes runs in my family so I get tested regularly, but
>> apparently it's passed me by and I'm now well past the age it usually
>> hits family members.
>>
>
> Is that a fasting test, or 45 minutes after eating porridge? I ask
> because it's known that the fbg fails to diagnose almost all diabetics
> until their DM is very well advanced. Compared to a two hour glucose,
> it misses 70% of female DMs. If that were 1 hour post meal, I'm sure it
> would be closer to 100%.
>

Read what I wrote - whether I am fasting OR after eating. My father
is a diabetic, my brother is a diabetic, my Grandmother was a
diabetic, my husband is a diabetic. I have access to both scheduled
blood tests with my surgery, and more random/regular testing at home
with my husband's meter. I've done the "test every 30 minutes
throughout the day" thing. Nary a (noticeable) variation. Sits there
in the middle "non diabetic" ground all day. I'm pretty well informed
about my own body and have a good working relationship with my GP.

Here's a hint, Susan - you are not a doctor. You are not MY doctor.
I am not you. I do not have what you have. You don't even know me,
really. You cannot diagnose everyone as suffering from the same as
you - two people can have similar symptoms and completely different
causes. We're all individuals. BTW - it's not terribly clear from
your posts if you've actually been diagnosed by a doctor, or if you're
self-diagnosed?

I've got a friend in RL who tries to blame every illness she hears
about on "gluten intolerance". Diabetes? You must really be a
ceoliac's sufferer. Arthritis? Ceoliac's. Migraine, must be all
that wheat - switch to rice. Cancer? Wheat again. You have a cold?
Bad old wheat making your mucus membranes sensitive. Annoys the hell
out of everyone else, though I admit she's gotten to be quite creative
with the gluten free flour baking. Yep, getting off wheat and oats
really helped *her* achey joints and her son's mild ADHD - but it
didn't do a thing for her husband, or her kid's friend who also has
ADHD (more severe ADHD treated by Ritalin).


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Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
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Jette wrote:

> Read what I wrote - whether I am fasting OR after eating.

I did read it, Jette. Can you point me to the part where you specified
how long after eating you tested?

My father is
> a diabetic, my brother is a diabetic, my Grandmother was a diabetic, my
> husband is a diabetic. I have access to both scheduled blood tests with
> my surgery, and more random/regular testing at home with my husband's
> meter. I've done the "test every 30 minutes throughout the day" thing.
> Nary a (noticeable) variation. Sits there in the middle "non diabetic"
> ground all day. I'm pretty well informed about my own body and have a
> good working relationship with my GP.

That's interesting, given your PCOS. Have you been tested for insulin
resistance.

>
> Here's a hint, Susan - you are not a doctor. You are not MY doctor. I
> am not you. I do not have what you have. You don't even know me,
> really. You cannot diagnose everyone as suffering from the same as you
> - two people can have similar symptoms and completely different causes.
> We're all individuals. BTW - it's not terribly clear from your posts
> if you've actually been diagnosed by a doctor, or if you're self-diagnosed?

I made the initial diagnosis of DM with a meter, since my fasting has
never been DM. I routinely went over 200 after carby meals at two
hours. Have had it confirmed, along with kidney and severe peripheral
neuropathies by endos and internal medicine since. And have reversed
all signs of kidney and nerve damage with diet.

I'm not at all insulin resistant, however, and had the weird event of
developing PCOS in medlife due to undiagnosed cyclic hypercortisolemia,
also undiagnosed by doctors til I discovered it as and then had it
confirmed by endos.

Not that how I got diagnosed is any of your business.

I've long understood that you prefer headlines and anecdotes to reading
science, but that's no reason to be so snippy.

I don't recall offering you a diagnosis or any treatment, just
discussion. I don't care what you do.

>
> I've got a friend in RL who tries to blame every illness she hears about
> on "gluten intolerance". Diabetes? You must really be a ceoliac's
> sufferer. Arthritis? Ceoliac's. Migraine, must be all that wheat -
> switch to rice. Cancer? Wheat again. You have a cold? Bad old wheat
> making your mucus membranes sensitive. Annoys the hell out of everyone
> else, though I admit she's gotten to be quite creative with the gluten
> free flour baking. Yep, getting off wheat and oats really helped *her*
> achey joints and her son's mild ADHD - but it didn't do a thing for her
> husband, or her kid's friend who also has ADHD (more severe ADHD treated
> by Ritalin).

Well, that's a non sequitir. Two snotty rants in one post; nice day's
work for someone like you.

Jette, I thought it was a discussion. Clearly, it was an opportunity
for another one of your uncivil rants in which you will, no doubt, paint
yourself as having been attacked. :-)

Susan