OT more chinese pet food problems?

From back in September but i had not heard about it until
today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
morniong, critical.

So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
could be.

*Disclaimer* : No lab tests have identified why Chinese
chicken jerky might be doing this, but there has been a spate
of illnesses.

http://www.itchmo.com/fda-cautions-p...-for-dogs-3094



--
pax,
ruth


Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

"nickelshrink" <nickelshrink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
> morniong, critical.
>
> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
> could be.

Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.

I was mentioning to my vet the other day that Science Diet (which I feed my
cats) has been going up in price - & it was already on the hefty side, of
course. She said that yeah, they're not importing any ingredients from China
any longer, hence the price increase.

Cathy


>
> *Disclaimer* : No lab tests have identified why Chinese
> chicken jerky might be doing this, but there has been a spate
> of illnesses.
>
> http://www.itchmo.com/fda-cautions-p...-for-dogs-3094
>
>
>
> --
> pax,
> ruth
>
>
> Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
> http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

We feed our dogs Nutro Ultra Holistic food and we have noticed the price has
gone up a bit... maybe the real reason is the cost of shipping the
products...I know when I have things shipped or if I have anything delivered
there is now a fuel cost attached to it.
"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "nickelshrink" <nickelshrink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5u21g9F1fmb6pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
>> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
>> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
>> morniong, critical.
>>
>> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
>> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
>> could be.
>
> Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.
>
> I was mentioning to my vet the other day that Science Diet (which I feed
> my cats) has been going up in price - & it was already on the hefty side,
> of course. She said that yeah, they're not importing any ingredients from
> China any longer, hence the price increase.
>
> Cathy
>
>
>>
>> *Disclaimer* : No lab tests have identified why Chinese
>> chicken jerky might be doing this, but there has been a spate
>> of illnesses.
>>
>> http://www.itchmo.com/fda-cautions-p...-for-dogs-3094
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> pax,
>> ruth
>>
>>
>> Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
>> http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains
>
>

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:55:17 -0500, nickelshrink
<nickelshrink@yahoo.com> wrote:

>So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause,

Oh shit. I give Sunshine these things twice a day. She loves them. I
now have to go see where they are made. (fingers crossed)


Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Yeah, that could be another factor.

Cathy


"jacquie" <happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13no3e6mjfms384@corp.supernews.com...
> We feed our dogs Nutro Ultra Holistic food and we have noticed the price
> has gone up a bit... maybe the real reason is the cost of shipping the
> products...I know when I have things shipped or if I have anything
> delivered there is now a fuel cost attached to it.
> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
> news:AsudnaY9qpgbY-ba4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
>>
>> "nickelshrink" <nickelshrink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5u21g9F1fmb6pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
>>> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
>>> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
>>> morniong, critical.
>>>
>>> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
>>> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
>>> could be.
>>
>> Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.
>>
>> I was mentioning to my vet the other day that Science Diet (which I feed
>> my cats) has been going up in price - & it was already on the hefty side,
>> of course. She said that yeah, they're not importing any ingredients from
>> China any longer, hence the price increase.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *Disclaimer* : No lab tests have identified why Chinese
>>> chicken jerky might be doing this, but there has been a spate
>>> of illnesses.
>>>
>>> http://www.itchmo.com/fda-cautions-p...-for-dogs-3094
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> pax,
>>> ruth
>>>
>>>
>>> Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains
>>
>>
>
>

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:37:59 -0500, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
wrote:

> I
>now have to go see where they are made. (fingers crossed)


They are Waggin' Train brand made in China. And Sunshine didn't
want her supper last night either. She seems to be acting alright, and
I am not giving her anymore of those chicken tenders and see what
happens.

Dana
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Cathy F. wrote:
> "nickelshrink" <nickelshrink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5u21g9F1fmb6pU1@mid.individual.net...
>> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
>> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
>> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
>> morniong, critical.
>>
>> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
>> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
>> could be.
>
> Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.
>

UPDATE: Maggie The Dog is better this morning. Bless
the cousins/neighbors who got her to the vet pronto.

Their own old lab, Leo, and Maggie were a deeply devoted couple.
The 2 dogs lived next door to each other and pretty much shared
this end of the neighborhood as their territory. Leo died rather
suddenly just before Christmas. He was so old for a lab -about 11-
that no one thought it odd, but his death was so unexpectedly rapid,
followed by Maggie's illness, that the cousins started looking at the
treats, and investigating the whole thing.

I find it very weird that nobody can find the cause. But it makes
me trust the products less, not more.


--
pax,
ruth


Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

Dana© wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:37:59 -0500, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I
>> now have to go see where they are made. (fingers crossed)
>
>
> They are Waggin' Train brand made in China. And Sunshine didn't
> want her supper last night either. She seems to be acting alright, and
> I am not giving her anymore of those chicken tenders and see what
> happens.



Dana, i'm very glad if alerting you helps you avoid this. Maybe
your treats were OK, but i'm at a point where Chinese pet products
are just one big NO WAY. I still don't understand ... er ... why the
FDA does not understand the cause.

I looked up the brand Maggie and Leo ate, and the company
SWEARS there's no melamine.

(Test report - zooming in should work)

http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/do...0FullPkg-1.jpg

http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/faq.php

http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/faq_detail.php?ID=36


However, my guess is that several "brands" are made in the
same Chinese factory. And despite all these tests, there's
simply some other poison that they have yet to think of and test for.

Then again, Wal Mart tests of a different brand did find melamine, but:
"the FDA has reviewed Wal-Mart’s lab report that mentions
20 parts per million of melamine. She said this level of melamine
would not cause any illnesses in pets." :


http://www.itchmo.com/chicken-jerky-...ed-by-fda-2435



--
pax,
ruth


Save trees AND money! Buy used books!
http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

nickelshrink wrote:

> UPDATE: Maggie The Dog is better this morning. Bless
> the cousins/neighbors who got her to the vet pronto.
>
> Their own old lab, Leo, and Maggie were a deeply devoted couple.
> The 2 dogs lived next door to each other and pretty much shared
> this end of the neighborhood as their territory. Leo died rather
> suddenly just before Christmas. He was so old for a lab -about 11-
> that no one thought it odd, but his death was so unexpectedly rapid,
> followed by Maggie's illness, that the cousins started looking at the
> treats, and investigating the whole thing.

Eleven isn't really that old for a Lab... not young, but many
keep going past 12, 13, sometimes 14. But yeah, when a dog is on
the elderly end, you don't look as closely.

I'm glad maggie is doing better.

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

nickelshrink wrote:
> Dana© wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:37:59 -0500, Dana© <AneeBear@ownmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I
>>> now have to go see where they are made. (fingers crossed)

>> They are Waggin' Train brand made in China. And Sunshine didn't
>> want her supper last night either. She seems to be acting alright, and
>> I am not giving her anymore of those chicken tenders and see what
>> happens.

I hope Sunshine is ok. If she did eat contaminated food, dogs
react differently. Some don't have a big reaction, others find it
very toxic. We think Oppie developed hypertension and lost his
sight in his left eye as a result of melamine/cyanuric acid
contamination, but that's just a theory.

> Dana, i'm very glad if alerting you helps you avoid this. Maybe
> your treats were OK, but i'm at a point where Chinese pet products
> are just one big NO WAY. I still don't understand ... er ... why the
> FDA does not understand the cause.

Because they aren't looking very hard?

> I looked up the brand Maggie and Leo ate, and the company
> SWEARS there's no melamine.
>
> (Test report - zooming in should work)
>
> http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/do...0FullPkg-1.jpg
>
> http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/faq.php
>
> http://www.thekingdompets.com/web/faq_detail.php?ID=36
>
> However, my guess is that several "brands" are made in the
> same Chinese factory. And despite all these tests, there's
> simply some other poison that they have yet to think of and test for.

I pay more and I try to avoid any pet food that is manufactured
with products from China. Or at least I check to see that the
manufacturer makes that claim and I don't have any reason to
disbelieve them.

Two possible contaminant in chicken jerky strips that I heard
about sometime in the last year were e. coli and salmonella.

> Then again, Wal Mart tests of a different brand did find melamine, but:
> "the FDA has reviewed Wal-Mart’s lab report that mentions
> 20 parts per million of melamine. She said this level of melamine
> would not cause any illnesses in pets." :
>
> http://www.itchmo.com/chicken-jerky-...ed-by-fda-2435

Your tax dollars at work... for the pet food industry. :-(

I've read (somewhere) that a lot of the melamine contaminated
foods that were allegedly pulled somehow made it back to the
shelves a few months later. How many people check lot numbers?

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

On Jan 3, 1:51 pm, nickelshrink <nickelshr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cathy F. wrote:
> > "nickelshrink" <nickelshr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:5u21g9F1fmb6pU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
> >> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
> >> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
> >> morniong, critical.
>
> >> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
> >> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
> >> could be.
>
> > Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.
>
> UPDATE: Maggie The Dog is better this morning. Bless
> the cousins/neighbors who got her to the vet pronto.
>
> Their own old lab, Leo, and Maggie were a deeply devoted couple.
> The 2 dogs lived next door to each other and pretty much shared
> this end of the neighborhood as their territory. Leo died rather
> suddenly just before Christmas. He was so old for a lab -about 11-
> that no one thought it odd, but his death was so unexpectedly rapid,
> followed by Maggie's illness, that the cousins started looking at the
> treats, and investigating the whole thing.
>
> I find it very weird that nobody can find the cause. But it makes
> me trust the products less, not more.
>
> --
> pax,
> ruth
>
> Save trees AND money! Buy used books!http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains

glad that maggie is doing ok & appreciate the post. i've passed on
the info. most people i know have been trying to avoid pet food
products from china, but it's not easy. & since we are on this topic,
does anyone have any comments about 'greenies'? elsey used to go nuts
for those things, but i had heard bad things & so had stopped giving
them to her. just curious to know if what i had reacted to was
groundless rumor or had some basis in fact.

ellen

ellen wrote:

> & since we are on this topic,
> does anyone have any comments about 'greenies'? elsey used to go nuts
> for those things, but i had heard bad things & so had stopped giving
> them to her. just curious to know if what i had reacted to was
> groundless rumor or had some basis in fact.
>
> ellen

I haven't heard anything bad about them, but I haven't paid
attention for several years. We stopped giving them to Oppie
because he crunched them into chunks, and then later threw up the
chunks. I don't think that's supposed to happen; the dog is
supposed to wear them down gradually. No one remembered to tell
that to Iron-Jaws Oppie, however. (And our other dogs didn't
like them.)

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

I belong to a Weimaraner group and I remember warnings about the Greenies a
few months ago. I believe the company still stands by their product.
I do know that allot of the people on the board said something about not
buying your dogs treats that were processed in China because of the
treatment they use for processing. I know Wal-Mart used to carry stuff made
in China. I remember giving some to Elsa and her throwing up. All my dogs
are allowed now are the non edible nylabone. Elsa is allergic to corn so the
cornstarch treats are out...besides it's easier to keep them slim and trim
without giving them treats. They do get raw carrots once and awhile and Elsa
will kill for an ice cube
Jacquie
"ellen" <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 3, 1:51 pm, nickelshrink <nickelshr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Cathy F. wrote:
>> > "nickelshrink" <nickelshr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:5u21g9F1fmb6pU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> From back in September but i had not heard about it until
>> >> today. My dad's dog - young (2 years), very healthy, suddenly
>> >> taken with bloody diarrhea, taken to the vet hospital this
>> >> morniong, critical.
>>
>> >> So neighbors are considering chicken jerky as the cause, and
>> >> after finding this thru googling, it sure as hell looks like it
>> >> could be.
>>
>> > Oh, dear... I hope s/he recovers.
>>
>> UPDATE: Maggie The Dog is better this morning. Bless
>> the cousins/neighbors who got her to the vet pronto.
>>
>> Their own old lab, Leo, and Maggie were a deeply devoted couple.
>> The 2 dogs lived next door to each other and pretty much shared
>> this end of the neighborhood as their territory. Leo died rather
>> suddenly just before Christmas. He was so old for a lab -about 11-
>> that no one thought it odd, but his death was so unexpectedly rapid,
>> followed by Maggie's illness, that the cousins started looking at the
>> treats, and investigating the whole thing.
>>
>> I find it very weird that nobody can find the cause. But it makes
>> me trust the products less, not more.
>>
>> --
>> pax,
>> ruth
>>
>> Save trees AND money! Buy used
>> books!http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains
>
> glad that maggie is doing ok & appreciate the post. i've passed on
> the info. most people i know have been trying to avoid pet food
> products from china, but it's not easy. & since we are on this topic,
> does anyone have any comments about 'greenies'? elsey used to go nuts
> for those things, but i had heard bad things & so had stopped giving
> them to her. just curious to know if what i had reacted to was
> groundless rumor or had some basis in fact.
>
> ellen