I confess to heresy

In article
<755bf220-fdc2-44df-a1b0-04d99fb6b8ed@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 3:50 pm, "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > In article <iLydnS2zNtGMhCzanZ2dnUVZ_uCin...@comcast.com>,
> >
> > FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:
> > > I also think that the worst threats facing us are internal: our
> > > faltering economy, our sinking educational system, our crumbling
> > > infrastructure, the shrinking middle class, a national debt
> > > that's approaching $10 trillion (and doesn't include the trade
> > > deficit or Social Security commitments), our inability to respond
> > > effectively to crises like Katrina, our wholesale giveaway of
> > > manufacturing capability to other countries. The economic
> > > dislocations that our warming atmosphere will bring about. Bird
> > > flu, if it ever mutates to become transmissible between humans.
> > > Not so much from external armies or terrorists, unless we don't
> > > figure out a way to stop pissing off our allies.
> >
> > I agree. I was daydreaming the other day about an inaugural speech in
> > which the new President talked about tackling the job of repairing our
> > national infrastructure, forming alliances of public transit systems to
> > locate common solutions to common problems and of state highway systems
> > for cost-effective solutions to crumbling bridges and highways. I want
> > to hear a call for national responsibility in maintaining what prior
> > generations built, for citizens to work together... blah blah blah....
> > Yeah, likely. I wish.
> >
> > Priscilla
>
> i am casting a write-in vote for a priscilla/furpaw ticket. you two
> work it out as to who is pres & who is vicepres.

Oh, I'll take VP. I've always wanted a well-paying job that I didn't
have to work at. ;-)

Priscilla

In article <Kyssj.4320$Uq4.1107@trndny02>,
"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-9AFA0E.15553312022008@individual.net...
> > In article <_vWdnWYRDbfVhSza4p2dnAA@giganews.com>,
> >
> > I think, from the way Bill Clinton's been campaigning, there's no way to
> > get Clinton (f) without getting Clinton (m). I liked Clinton (m) when
> > he was president, but I'd rather the first woman president win and
> > govern on her own terms and with her own team.
> >
> > I'll vote for Clinton (f) if she gets the nomination, but I don't trust
> > her. She looks to me like a totally political animal, and I don't know
> > what she stands for. It looks to me like she stands for anything
> > that'll advance her position.
> -----------------
> Priscilla, I don't think I've ever been in total agreement with two whole
> paragraphs by *anyone* here, until now!

Wow!

>
> Eva
> > Where's Jed Bartlett when you need him?
> >
> > Priscilla

What? You don't like Jed Bartlett? ;-)

Bartlett for America! or is it Bartlet?

Priscilla

In article <61f16vF1ul335U3@mid.individual.net>,
Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> ellen <epdpster@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 7:53 pm, "Eva" <EvaDStructio...@NOverizon.net> wrote:
> > Maybe I don't think a woman ought to be President after all. Maybe I
> > don't think
> >> women are capable of commanding armies in a time when our nation faces a
> >> truly terrible threat.
>
> > depends on the size of the wig.....
>
> > after going through all this peri hell, i thought - no way would i
> > put a woman with wacky hormones in office. & that was totally
> > uncensored & shocking for me as someone who has gone toe to toe with
> > guys in many ways (still played basketball with them until recently).
> > but the reality is, while there are legitimate differences that stem
> > from biology (& which i think we haven't been able to address out of
> > fear of losing hard fought ground on equality issues), i don't think
> > it means that a woman can't be a strong & capable leader. certainly
> > men bring their own biological baggage -good & bad to the table & we
> > don't question it.
>
> > being severely impacted by hormones is a biological but individual
> > situation & not applicable across the gender.
>
> You don't think Bill Clinton was distracted by hormones from affairs
> of state? :-)

I don't think there was any evidence that he was distracted from doing
his job by his sexual activity with Monica Lewinsky or anyone else. If
sexual activity were to be forbidden to presidents, then why are their
wives allowed to live with them?

Priscilla

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <61f16vF1ul335U3@mid.individual.net>,
> Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>> You don't think Bill Clinton was distracted by hormones from affairs
>> of state? :-)
>
> I don't think there was any evidence that he was distracted from doing
> his job by his sexual activity with Monica Lewinsky or anyone else. If
> sexual activity were to be forbidden to presidents, then why are their
> wives allowed to live with them?

There's some evidence that the brain of a person in the throes of
new love or lust resembles that of the brain of someone with a
psychosis... but as the relationship mellows, the brain settles down.

FurPaw


--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

On Feb 14, 11:07 pm, FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> There's some evidence that the brain of a person in the throes of
> new love or lust resembles that of the brain of someone with a
> psychosis... but as the relationship mellows, the brain settles down.
>
> FurPaw

i remember when those research results first started coming out. i
found it really disconcerting initially because it interfered with the
other side of me that wanted the poetic take to hold true. now i just
think - wow, that's crazy research, but you gotta love it.

ellen

jacquie <happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Driving in Tucson has become quite a hazard again not
> enough roads for the amount of people. Tucson now has about one million
> people and the roads were made for half that size of a city.

You should try driving where I live: In a medieval city with
cobblestoned streets that go back several centuries - and which are
expected to handle busses, trucks and the traffic of a quarter million
people. Our city has finally, after 20 years of discussion, started
building a metro. And still some folks think it's a waste of money. They
obviously haven't seen the smog in May that I've seen. We usually get
smog only on cold, clear days in the winter from people's wood stoves.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:56:01 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
(Keera Ann Fox) wrote:

>You should try driving where I live: In a medieval city with
>cobblestoned streets that go back several centuries - and which are
>expected to handle busses, trucks and the traffic of a quarter million
>people.

That looks like my Dutch city, except for the number of people. And we
won't get a metro either, we already have the IJssel (a river) ;o))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zutphen
http://www.kijkopzutphen.nl/
(in dutch, can't find a similar site in English. But there are some
nice pictures).

PS Cobblestones are nice when you're biking ;o))

--
Evolution is a harsh mistress.

Tonnie wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:56:01 +0100, thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no
> (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>
>> You should try driving where I live: In a medieval city with
>> cobblestoned streets that go back several centuries - and which are
>> expected to handle busses, trucks and the traffic of a quarter million
>> people.
>
> That looks like my Dutch city, except for the number of people. And we
> won't get a metro either, we already have the IJssel (a river) ;o))
>

Edinburgh has cobbles, bad potholes, "traffic calming" measures, and
now a long term road works project to install a tram line from nowhere
to nowhere. (at the moment they're digging up the city centre - the
main traffic artery - *not* to install the tram line, but just to move
all the utilities, *before* they fill in all the holes, then dig them
up again later to install the tram line!)


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zutphen
> http://www.kijkopzutphen.nl/
> (in dutch, can't find a similar site in English. But there are some
> nice pictures).
>
> PS Cobblestones are nice when you're biking ;o))
>

Oh, loads of fun ;-) Terrific fun if you're walking and have bad
ankles too!

--
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
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In article <jLmdnfhVBZf8jSjanZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmaildog.com> wrote:

> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> > In article <61f16vF1ul335U3@mid.individual.net>,
> > Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >> You don't think Bill Clinton was distracted by hormones from affairs
> >> of state? :-)
> >
> > I don't think there was any evidence that he was distracted from doing
> > his job by his sexual activity with Monica Lewinsky or anyone else. If
> > sexual activity were to be forbidden to presidents, then why are their
> > wives allowed to live with them?
>
> There's some evidence that the brain of a person in the throes of
> new love or lust resembles that of the brain of someone with a
> psychosis... but as the relationship mellows, the brain settles down.

That might be seen as part of the argument for casual sex only for
people in power. No relationships! Don't resolve your problems with
your wife! No putting the romance back into your marriage! Just get
your rocks off and get back to work! (Mostly kidding)

Priscilla

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> What? You don't like Jed Bartlett? ;-)
>
> Bartlett for America! or is it Bartlet?
---------------
Okay, I *finally* got around to Googling "Jed Bartlett," and it *is*
Bartlet, and he's a fictional character played by Martin Sheen on TV.

Martin Sheen's a pretty good actor, so I guess I'd like Jed Bartlett if I
were only able to watch TV without falling asleep. But I'm not, so I don't
even try any more.

Eva

Eva wrote:
> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-F09AF8.16492114022008@individual.net...
>> What? You don't like Jed Bartlett? ;-)
>>
>> Bartlett for America! or is it Bartlet?
> ---------------
> Okay, I *finally* got around to Googling "Jed Bartlett," and it *is*
> Bartlet, and he's a fictional character played by Martin Sheen on TV.
>
> Martin Sheen's a pretty good actor, so I guess I'd like Jed Bartlett if I
> were only able to watch TV without falling asleep. But I'm not, so I don't
> even try any more.

You couldn't watch it anyhow, unless a station in your area is
showing reruns or you buy/rent the series DVDs. It went off the
air in 2006, at the end of Bartlet's second term. :-(

I thought that it was one of the best TV series ever.

FurPaw
--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

Keera Ann Fox <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote:
> jacquie <happikat694@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> The higher ages for retirement are good...only if the person is mentally and
>> physically able to continue to work at that age. My husband probably will be
>> able to if he chose because he is an instructor at the local Community
>> College and the job is not very physical...but id a guy worked at a
>> construction site to work until he is 70 might be a bit difficult.

> Norway offered an early retirement plan for people who were physically
> worn out from physical labor. Because of the rules, it ended up being
> that just about anybody over 62 could just quit. The solution for
> policemen, firefighters, manual laborers, etc. is to let them keep
> working, but with other tasks.

When I was wondering whether to take up an early retirement option at
age 63 (instead of my planned 67) all the doctors I knew urged me to
do it on the grounds that the earlier you retired the longer you
lived.

I was also getting a bit worried by the fact that my pension provider,
who had contracted to provide me with an inflation-index-linked
pension, which goes up with prices, was starting to make anguished
noises about not being able to afford such extravagance, and a number
of other pension providers had found ways out of their obligations to
their pensioners, some of them by the drastic means of goiung bankrupt
and leaving their pensioners with nothing. I thought maybe I ought to
grab my pension and run while it was still there, quite apart from
collecting while I was still healthy enough to be able to have fun on
it :-)

>> And do we want a force of 65 - 70 year olds on the freeways
>> daily..although here in AZ there are always oldsters on the
>> Freeways...majority driving 45 mph I think I read somewhere retirement
>> in the US has changed from 65 - 67...or it was going to change..I don't
>> remember...another problem of aging..LOL.

> Seniors drive because they'd be prisoners in their own home if they
> didn't.

I don't have a car, but as a senior citizen I have a free bus pass
which works all over Scotland, and a bus stop right outside my front
gate. So I can get on a bus outside my front door, and end up many
hours and busses later on the Isle of Skye off the north west coast of
Scotland, all free! I plan to do that this summer, with a tent :-)

I've become very skilled at opportunistic bus hopping in getting round
the city. If I'm going somewhere new I don't bother checking bus
routes and timetables, I just pocket a city map and jump on the first
bus which is going roughly in the right direction. When it stops going
roughly in the right direction I get off it and catch another which
is.

Of course never having had a car I've always made a point of living in
places with good public transport.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

In article <%FHtj.3410$zo3.1852@trndny04>,
"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote:

> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-F09AF8.16492114022008@individual.net...
> >
> > What? You don't like Jed Bartlett? ;-)
> >
> > Bartlett for America! or is it Bartlet?
> ---------------
> Okay, I *finally* got around to Googling "Jed Bartlett," and it *is*
> Bartlet, and he's a fictional character played by Martin Sheen on TV.
>
> Martin Sheen's a pretty good actor, so I guess I'd like Jed Bartlett if I
> were only able to watch TV without falling asleep. But I'm not, so I don't
> even try any more.

"The West Wing" had a big following when it was on. Aaron Sorkin, who
created and wrote it, also did the recent "Charlie Wilson's War," a Tom
Hanks film about how the crap in Afghanistan got going from US idiocy.
Good film.

Priscilla

it's spelled Gandhi.

"Jette" <bosslady@scotlandmail.com> wrote in message
news:wFlsj.6032$XI.545@text.news.virginmedia.com.. .
> WWWSC #4 wrote:
>> Eva wrote the following on 2/11/2008 7:53 PM:
>>> I had a thought the other day that actually rather alarmed me. Maybe I
>>> don't think a woman ought to be President after all. Maybe I don't
>>> think women are capable of commanding armies in a time when our nation
>>> faces a truly terrible threat. Is there anyone else here who has
>>> entertained a thought like that? (Of course I know Chris hasn't, but
>>> the rest of you.)
>>
>> Golda Meir...
>>
>
> Indira Ghandi.
>
> --
> Jette Goldie
> jette@blueyonder.co.uk
> http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
> ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
well, we got 'im.

"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
news:s66sj.2641$CX2.1264@trndny09...
>I had a thought the other day that actually rather alarmed me. Maybe I
>don't think a woman ought to be President after all. Maybe I don't think
>women are capable of commanding armies in a time when our nation faces a
>truly terrible threat. Is there anyone else here who has entertained a
>thought like that? (Of course I know Chris hasn't, but the rest of you.)
>
> Eva
>

thank you, Les.

"sage hen" <desertnymph@cwo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 13, 2:08 pm, Dana© <AneeB...@ownmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:43:48 -0700, FurPaw
>
> <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote:
> >Heh heh heh. Priscilla can be president. I want to be able to
> >stay in the background and concoct nefarious schemes to increase
> >presidential powers far beyond what the Constitution offers and
> >plot a coup to stage a military-industrial takeover of the
> >government, ensuring that all the low-lifes of the country and
> >ultimately the world will toil in poverty to enrich the coffers
> >of me and my buddies forever. heh heh heh
>
> Wow, you have really thought this through. You sound like someone's
> advisor.
>
> Dana
>
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

I wouldn't dare extrapolate my own experiences with hormonal ups and
downs to other middle-aged women, including Hillary. I started
frequenting this forum because all the meno-age women I know breezed
through with few symptoms. The statistics I've seen claim that 75 or
80 percent of women have a pretty mild menopause, so we have no
business assuming that all women our age would be incapacitated or
handicapped in a leadership position.

Re Social Security, I've read several recent books on the subject.
The Social Security surplus has all been spent, and exists only as
IOUs. In a few years, probably not more than five, SS will stop
running any pretense of a surplus. I recently saw a figure of $40
trillion for the deficit Social Security and Medicare will run by 2042
at the present rate taxes are being collected.

As far as the American lives lost in the conflicts we're presently
involved in around the world, they're only a tiny fraction of the
local civilian lives lost. When was the last time a 14 year old girl
was raped and murdered, along with her family, by Iraqi soldiers on
American soil? We're not the only ones who have something to be mad
about.

Les

"fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
> well, we got 'im.
------------------
I don't know who you're talking about. I support Barack Obama, and I don't
give ONE FIG for SAT scores. Mine were in the 700s, and I didn't amount to
*anything*.

Eva

"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>> well, we got 'im.
> ------------------
> I don't know who you're talking about.

clearly not.

Eva wrote:
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>> well, we got 'im.
> ------------------
> I don't know who you're talking about. I support Barack Obama, and I don't
> give ONE FIG for SAT scores. Mine were in the 700s, and I didn't amount to
> *anything*.

However you define success, Eva, we love ya!

I think she means Bush. Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and
640 math. Not awful, but clearly "something else" got him into Yale.

According to this, McCain's SAT scores were 800 verbal and 510
math . http://navy.scout.com/2/728757.html And he graduated
from Annapolis 895th in a class of 899.

I don't know what Obama's scores were, but he was editor of
Harvard Law Review (and the first African American to do that).

SAT scores aren't good predictors of success in college. IIRC,
they are a fair predictor of first semester freshman grades, and
the correlation gets worse in subsequent years. And grades in
college aren't a very good predictor of success in life either.

Of course, the definition of "success" is elusive and controversial.

FurPaw

--
The plural of anecdote is not proof.

To reply, unleash the dog.

"FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Eva wrote:
>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>>> well, we got 'im.
>> ------------------
>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>
> I think she means Bush. Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math.
> Not awful, but clearly "something else" got him into Yale.
---------------
Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question isn't
how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.

Eva

Eva wrote:
> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Eva wrote:
>>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>>>> well, we got 'im.
>>> ------------------
>>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>> I think she means Bush. Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math.
>> Not awful, but clearly "something else" got him into Yale.
> ---------------
> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question isn't
> how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>
> Eva
>
>

green

;-)

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"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Eva wrote:
>>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>>>> well, we got 'im.
>>> ------------------
>>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>>
>> I think she means Bush.

Ahhh... & here I was, thinking she was referring to McCain. And thinking:
But we don't have him, at least not yet! GWB makes a whole lot more sense!

>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>> "something else" got him into Yale.
> ---------------
> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.

I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to do
with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)

Cathy


>
> Eva
>

W is definitely the child who should have been left behind, snorting coke
behind the Skull and Bones meeting room or whatever....it was supposed to be
president Jeb, after all. probably still would have gotten Rove and Rummy
and Dick "clear!" Cheney. so sad, and such horrors irreversible.

I know someone who knows Laura Bush's personal assistant, and Laura not only
chain smokes but takes a lot of coping meds: well who WOULDn't???????? gawd.
she looks great though, gotta say. probably the best looking first lady
we've ever had (sorry Hill)

"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Eva wrote:
>>>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>>>>> well, we got 'im.
>>>> ------------------
>>>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>>>
>>> I think she means Bush.
>
> Ahhh... & here I was, thinking she was referring to McCain. And thinking:
> But we don't have him, at least not yet! GWB makes a whole lot more
> sense!
>
>>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>>> "something else" got him into Yale.
>> ---------------
>> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
>> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>
> I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to do
> with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)
>
> Cathy
>
>
>>
>> Eva
>>
>
>

"pumpkin" <billowroad@att.net> wrote in message
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>W is definitely the child who should have been left behind, snorting coke
>behind the Skull and Bones meeting room or whatever....it was supposed to
>be president Jeb, after all. probably still would have gotten Rove and
>Rummy and Dick "clear!" Cheney. so sad, and such horrors irreversible.
>
> I know someone who knows Laura Bush's personal assistant, and Laura not
> only chain smokes but takes a lot of coping meds: well who
> WOULDn't???????? gawd. she looks great though, gotta say. probably the
> best looking first lady we've ever had (sorry Hill)

I agree, how does Laura cope with the guy? ===:-O (OTOH, I have to assume
he has some good personal traits as a husband...) And I agree, she looks
good. But as to best /classiest looking First Lady - what about Jackie?!

Cathy


>
> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
> news:SuqdnV6NoZC91vPVRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:8I-dna7FOb2FNvDVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Eva wrote:
>>>>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>>>>>> well, we got 'im.
>>>>> ------------------
>>>>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>>>>
>>>> I think she means Bush.
>>
>> Ahhh... & here I was, thinking she was referring to McCain. And
>> thinking: But we don't have him, at least not yet! GWB makes a whole lot
>> more sense!
>>
>>>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>>>> "something else" got him into Yale.
>>> ---------------
>>> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
>>> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>>
>> I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to
>> do with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Eva
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Laura is WAY prettier than Jacqueline....like a factor of 10. no, I didn't
forget Ms. Bouvier. my adjective was "best looking." Jacqueline had nicer
clothes for the most part. Chris Evert has awful clothes.

just read today that in his U.S. Naval Academy graduating class of 899, John
McCain was 894th. well, SOMEONE had to finish in that spot.

what am I doing, I am always so repudiating of OT stuff in these
groups.....basta!!!

"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "pumpkin" <billowroad@att.net> wrote in message
> news:sTsbk.94510$102.85893@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>W is definitely the child who should have been left behind, snorting coke
>>behind the Skull and Bones meeting room or whatever....it was supposed to
>>be president Jeb, after all. probably still would have gotten Rove and
>>Rummy and Dick "clear!" Cheney. so sad, and such horrors irreversible.
>>
>> I know someone who knows Laura Bush's personal assistant, and Laura not
>> only chain smokes but takes a lot of coping meds: well who
>> WOULDn't???????? gawd. she looks great though, gotta say. probably the
>> best looking first lady we've ever had (sorry Hill)
>
> I agree, how does Laura cope with the guy? ===:-O (OTOH, I have to assume
> he has some good personal traits as a husband...) And I agree, she looks
> good. But as to best /classiest looking First Lady - what about Jackie?!
>
> Cathy
>
>
>>
>> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
>> news:SuqdnV6NoZC91vPVRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:8I-dna7FOb2FNvDVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> Eva wrote:
>>>>>> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his
>>>>>>> SATs?
>>>>>>> well, we got 'im.
>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>> I don't know who you're talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think she means Bush.
>>>
>>> Ahhh... & here I was, thinking she was referring to McCain. And
>>> thinking: But we don't have him, at least not yet! GWB makes a whole
>>> lot more sense!
>>>
>>>>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>>>>> "something else" got him into Yale.
>>>> ---------------
>>>> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
>>>> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>>>
>>> I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to
>>> do with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eva
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>>> "something else" got him into Yale.
>> ---------------
>> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
>> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>
> I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to do
> with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)
---------------------
AFAIK private colleges & universities give preference to children of alumni,
especially alumni who are big donors. No mystery there. How he managed to
pass enough courses to graduate, now *that's* the mystery.

Eva

Eva wrote:

> AFAIK private colleges & universities give preference to children of alumni,
> especially alumni who are big donors. No mystery there. How he managed to
> pass enough courses to graduate, now *that's* the mystery.

Surprisingly, mostly Cs, a few Bs.
http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

It looks like he majored in sports and fraternity.

FurPaw


--
The plural of anecdote is not proof.

To reply, unleash the dog.

"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>
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>
>>
>>>> Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math. Not awful, but clearly
>>>> "something else" got him into Yale.
>>> ---------------
>>> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question
>>> isn't how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.
>>
>> I think it's also how he got into Yale in the first place. Which has to
>> do with how he's gotten through life, in general... (*not* how we have!)
> ---------------------
> AFAIK private colleges & universities give preference to children of
> alumni, especially alumni who are big donors. No mystery there.

Oh, I didn't mean it as a question. But as a statement, re: on
family's/Daddy's shirt-tails.

How he managed to
> pass enough courses to graduate, now *that's* the mystery.

Yeah, that is something of a mystery. Unless there is (or was?) also
pressure, once such an applicant is/was accepted, not to give out 1's?? Or
unless he's actually a bit brighter than his non-mastery of the ELAs show
him to be...

Cathy


>
> Eva
>

FurPaw <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eva wrote:

>> AFAIK private colleges & universities give preference to children of alumni,
>> especially alumni who are big donors. No mystery there. How he managed to
>> pass enough courses to graduate, now *that's* the mystery.

> Surprisingly, mostly Cs, a few Bs.
> http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

> It looks like he majored in sports and fraternity.

Also, given his age, it's unlikely the university was using anonymised
marking procedures :-)

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

In article <8I-dna7FOb2FNvDVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote:
> "FurPaw" <furrealpawdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R_ednTy0SaREPvDVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Eva wrote:
> >> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
> >>> well, we got 'im.
> >> ------------------
> >> I don't know who you're talking about.
> >
> > I think she means Bush. Bush's SAT scores were 566 verbal and 640 math.
> > Not awful, but clearly "something else" got him into Yale.
> ---------------
> Well, those scores are a far cry from "not passing." But the question isn't
> how he got *into* Yale, it's how he *graduated* from Yale.

Perhaps the scuttlebutt I've heard about Harvard is true of Yale: that
getting in is the hard part. Once you're there, you're set.

Priscilla, could have been a Yale "legacy" the first year they went
co-ed, but went elsewhere

"fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
> well, we got 'im.
>
> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:s66sj.2641$CX2.1264@trndny09...
>>I had a thought the other day that actually rather alarmed me. Maybe I
>>don't think a woman ought to be President after all. Maybe I don't think
>>women are capable of commanding armies in a time when our nation faces a
>>truly terrible threat. Is there anyone else here who has entertained a
>>thought like that? (Of course I know Chris hasn't, but the rest of you.)
>>
>> Eva

If a woman was President, we'd probably never get to the point where there
were armies needing to be commanded.
Anyway, a President has many advisors.

"news" <news@news.net> wrote in message news:g596bm$m6i$1@aioe.org...
>
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qtdbk.182165$SV4.106816@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> and we want someone "commanding armies" who can't even pass his SATs?
>> well, we got 'im.
>>
>> "Eva" <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:s66sj.2641$CX2.1264@trndny09...
>>>I had a thought the other day that actually rather alarmed me. Maybe I
>>>don't think a woman ought to be President after all. Maybe I don't think
>>>women are capable of commanding armies in a time when our nation faces a
>>>truly terrible threat. Is there anyone else here who has entertained a
>>>thought like that? (Of course I know Chris hasn't, but the rest of you.)
>>>
>>> Eva
>
> If a woman was President, we'd probably never get to the point where there
> were armies needing to be commanded.
---------------
That's a flattering stereotype, but I don't buy it.
--------------
> Anyway, a President has many advisors.
--------------
And one of the foremost is Condoleezza Rice. No dove she.

Eva

Eva <EvaDStructionNO@NOverizon.net> wrote:

> "news" <news@news.net> wrote in message news:g596bm$m6i$1@aioe.org.