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Old 03-07-2008, 01:47 PM
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"5 good reasons for going on hormones."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/condi...apy/index.html

Where do I begin?

It points out that "Before 2002, it was practically standard
operating procedure to put women on synthetic hormones as soon as
they reached menopause."

But then came the WHI results, that blew out many of the
misconceptions about the benefits of HT.

And now, we have "Since 2002, a consensus has developed among the
experts about legitimate and not-so-legitimate reasons for
considering HRT." [Oops, that sneaky little R has crept back
into the parlance.]

First of all, why should we believe THIS consensus among experts,
if the consensus among experts before 2002 was so far wrong????
I don't want to mess with my body based on _consensus_ (BTDT, got
the scars to show for it) - I want _evidence_.

Some things leave my jaw just flapping: "'Some women say, 'I
can't live my life like this [night sweats].' That's the woman
who should not be denied the hormones," says Marcia Stefanick,
[who] is co-author of a new study...showing that women who took a
type of HRT called combined therapy (estrogen and progestin
together) had a higher risk for breast cancer even three years
after they quit taking the hormones." Boggle - that _this_
researcher would argue for prescribing hormones; there are plenty
of other voices to do that.

And this: "'A younger woman in early menopause who has
osteoporosis -- or risk factors for osteoporosis -- might benefit
from HRT,' ... Women are at high risk for osteoporosis if they're
thin, have a family history of osteoporosis, are lactose
intolerant or smoke."
'Scuse me, but doesn't HT increase the risk factor for blood
clots _especially_ among women who smoke?

"It's important, however, that women who go on hormones for this
reason [to make them feel better] -- or any reason -- understand
the risks of hormones. "I tell women, 'I'll give you the
prescription as long as you understand the risks and the
responsibilities and come in for regular checkups to see to it
that all is going well,'" Utian says."

Fine. No mention that going on HT often only delays the symptoms
of menopause, it doesn't necessarily eliminate them. And I think
it's a pretty hefty assumption to think that the average patient
will understand the risks of HT when it seems that much of the
medical profession doesn't.

Cheezenrice, I wish there were a solution for women who undergo a
miserable menopause. I wish there were more data on the
risks/benefits of other forms of HT - not Premarin, not oral.
But Big Pharm's Premarin Solution is not it, and from the sounds
of articles like these, they are back to pushing the pills they
have rather than looking for better solutions.

FurPaw
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Old 03-07-2008, 03:44 PM
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FurPaw wrote:

> Cheezenrice, I wish there were a solution for women who undergo a
> miserable menopause. I wish there were more data on the risks/benefits
> of other forms of HT - not Premarin, not oral. But Big Pharm's Premarin
> Solution is not it, and from the sounds of articles like these, they are
> back to pushing the pills they have rather than looking for better
> solutions.
>



Pharma have bought and paid for consensus guidelines and all the CMEs
that sustain the narrowminded dogma. No shortage of doctors to whore
themselves out as spokesmodels.

Susan
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Old 03-07-2008, 04:48 PM
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FurPaw wrote:
> "5 good reasons for going on hormones."
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/condi...apy/index.html
>
>
> Where do I begin?
>
> It points out that "Before 2002, it was practically standard operating
> procedure to put women on synthetic hormones as soon as they reached
> menopause."
>
> But then came the WHI results, that blew out many of the misconceptions
> about the benefits of HT.
>
> And now, we have "Since 2002, a consensus has developed among the
> experts about legitimate and not-so-legitimate reasons for considering
> HRT." [Oops, that sneaky little R has crept back into the parlance.]
>
> First of all, why should we believe THIS consensus among experts, if the
> consensus among experts before 2002 was so far wrong???? I don't want to
> mess with my body based on _consensus_ (BTDT, got the scars to show for
> it) - I want _evidence_.
>
> Some things leave my jaw just flapping: "'Some women say, 'I can't live
> my life like this [night sweats].' That's the woman who should not be
> denied the hormones," says Marcia Stefanick, [who] is co-author of a new
> study...showing that women who took a type of HRT called combined
> therapy (estrogen and progestin together) had a higher risk for breast
> cancer even three years after they quit taking the hormones." Boggle -
> that _this_ researcher would argue for prescribing hormones; there are
> plenty of other voices to do that.
>
> And this: "'A younger woman in early menopause who has osteoporosis --
> or risk factors for osteoporosis -- might benefit from HRT,' ... Women
> are at high risk for osteoporosis if they're thin, have a family history
> of osteoporosis, are lactose intolerant or smoke."
> 'Scuse me, but doesn't HT increase the risk factor for blood clots
> _especially_ among women who smoke?
>
> "It's important, however, that women who go on hormones for this reason
> [to make them feel better] -- or any reason -- understand the risks of
> hormones. "I tell women, 'I'll give you the prescription as long as you
> understand the risks and the responsibilities and come in for regular
> checkups to see to it that all is going well,'" Utian says."
>
> Fine. No mention that going on HT often only delays the symptoms of
> menopause, it doesn't necessarily eliminate them. And I think it's a
> pretty hefty assumption to think that the average patient will
> understand the risks of HT when it seems that much of the medical
> profession doesn't.
>
> Cheezenrice, I wish there were a solution for women who undergo a
> miserable menopause. I wish there were more data on the risks/benefits
> of other forms of HT - not Premarin, not oral. But Big Pharm's Premarin
> Solution is not it, and from the sounds of articles like these, they are
> back to pushing the pills they have rather than looking for better
> solutions.
>
> FurPaw



"Empowered Patient" ?? "Five Good Reasons," and these reasons
are merely a list of the 5 most common menopause symptoms?

Don't get me started on CNN and its mind-boggling sell-outs.

I just reconnected with an old friend, same age (we're both 54) and
in the course of playing catch-up over dinner, she said,
"I'm sorry but menopause drove me crazy and i take hormones and i
make no apologies." I had not even brought up the subject -- she wasn't
responding to any challenging remark i'd made, but she was obviously
expecting a lecture.

IOW, she was very well aware of the controversies over it and she
gave me this ... Look across the table, a Look that said "Do NOT even
start." I barely got out "Did you try the herbal stuff..?" and she waved
that away (tho she did give a tiny nod). "I couldn't stand the flashes,
and i was in danger of killing the wrong person and losing my job." So
i just said, "Yeah, it's important to kill only the *right* people,"
which got
her to smile again, and i dropped it.

But i couldn't even ask her what she was using. I have no idea whether
it's Premarin, creams, bio-identicals. If she's unaware of any of these
options, i couldn't casually share info over the back fence.

The point of this whole long story is that it was an even touchier subject
than politics. Religion. Sex. Anything. That sucks. Women have been
each others' best source of info for eons, and now they've successfully
got us to where we can't talk to each other!!

"Fight the naysayers for your Right to HT!" What a really clever way
to divide and conquer. That's how i see stories like this. The biggest
threat to BigPhar is women sharing info and creating a demand for better
alternatives. Squelch that and they can peddle the worse alternatives
with a lot less pressure to find better ones.


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