vitamin D

so...jeez....osteopenia, and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up about
20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl, people used
to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D? Not sure, but
now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day without SPF...no sun
here, which is one reason I moved here and love it here....so I was thinking
of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT 10 minutes a day, LOL, because
that area has had so little exposure I wouldn't get skin cancer for 30
years, if ever. Anyone?

"fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XAj1k.30412$SV4.3761@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> so...jeez....osteopenia,

Isn't osteopenia just the normal reduced bone density level of a post-meno
woman?

Cathy

and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
> about 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl,
> people used to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D?
> Not sure, but now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day
> without SPF...no sun here, which is one reason I moved here and love it
> here....so I was thinking of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT 10
> minutes a day, LOL, because that area has had so little exposure I
> wouldn't get skin cancer for 30 years, if ever. Anyone?
>

x-no-archive: yes

Cathy F. wrote:
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XAj1k.30412$SV4.3761@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>so...jeez....osteopenia,
>
>
> Isn't osteopenia just the normal reduced bone density level of a post-meno
> woman?


Not necessarily.

When tested, most older folks (and an awful lot of young ones) are
deficient in vit D, which is essential for bone health.

One FP I know tested a whole practice, and 68% were vit D deficient.

Susan

fortunata <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote:

> so...jeez....osteopenia, and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up about
> 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl, people used
> to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D? Not sure, but
> now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day without SPF...no sun
> here, which is one reason I moved here and love it here....so I was thinking
> of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT 10 minutes a day, LOL, because
> that area has had so little exposure I wouldn't get skin cancer for 30
> years, if ever. Anyone?

Sun lamp on fish-belly white butt? Start gently. ;-)

It sounds like you may be allergic to vitamin D. The magic combo for
bone building is vitamin D + calcium + magnesium. Find out what a good
calcium/magnesium level would be for you, and tan your butt.

Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much animal
protein will do that.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

x-no-archive: yes

Keera Ann Fox wrote:

> Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
> food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much animal
> protein will do that.
>

It is said by some as a scare tactic, but it's not true. When it happens
at all, studies show it's a very temprorary effect, and that bone
density is actually improved (in the elderly at least) in those who eat
the most animal protein.

Susan

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>
> > Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
> > food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much animal
> > protein will do that.
> >
>
> It is said by some as a scare tactic, but it's not true. When it happens
> at all, studies show it's a very temprorary effect, and that bone
> density is actually improved (in the elderly at least) in those who eat
> the most animal protein.

Good to know. Though I have to wonder if there is some other mechanism
at work. Meat implies the financial strength to get healthier food.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

>
> Isn't osteopenia just the normal reduced bone density level of a post-meno
> woman?

normal for whom? my mom is 84 and doesn't have it, my friend Candice is 61
and doesn't have it, blah blah and so on.
>
> Cathy
>
> and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
>> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
>> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
>> about 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl,
>> people used to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D?
>> Not sure, but now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day
>> without SPF...no sun here, which is one reason I moved here and love it
>> here....so I was thinking of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT
>> 10 minutes a day, LOL, because that area has had so little exposure I
>> wouldn't get skin cancer for 30 years, if ever. Anyone?
>>
>
>

scare tactic?
I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or infer a
darned thing.

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ii0uh4.ftkqd7148q8t7N%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>>
>> > Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
>> > food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much
>> > animal
>> > protein will do that.
>> >
>>
>> It is said by some as a scare tactic, but it's not true. When it happens
>> at all, studies show it's a very temprorary effect, and that bone
>> density is actually improved (in the elderly at least) in those who eat
>> the most animal protein.
>
> Good to know. Though I have to wonder if there is some other mechanism
> at work. Meat implies the financial strength to get healthier food.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

yeah, through food, through salmon, so you also get the cadmium and mercury!
yum! i buy salmon from a woman who catches them "clean" but I don't eat it
that often.

yes, I know about magnesium/calc/D...I am REALLY allergic to magnesium! LOL.
all my life, when I've tried to take "healthful" supplements, I've gotten
sicker. and yes, I will start slowly on the buttocks tanning ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no>
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: vitamin D


> fortunata <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so...jeez....osteopenia, and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid
>> now,
>> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
>> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
>> about
>> 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl, people
>> used
>> to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D? Not sure,
>> but
>> now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day without SPF...no
>> sun
>> here, which is one reason I moved here and love it here....so I was
>> thinking
>> of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT 10 minutes a day, LOL,
>> because
>> that area has had so little exposure I wouldn't get skin cancer for 30
>> years, if ever. Anyone?
>
> Sun lamp on fish-belly white butt? Start gently. ;-)
>
> It sounds like you may be allergic to vitamin D. The magic combo for
> bone building is vitamin D + calcium + magnesium. Find out what a good
> calcium/magnesium level would be for you, and tan your butt.
>
> Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
> food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much animal
> protein will do that.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/
"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ii046m.ao0ezieap2bkN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@on line.no...
> fortunata <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so...jeez....osteopenia, and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid
>> now,
>> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
>> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
>> about
>> 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl, people
>> used
>> to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough D? Not sure,
>> but
>> now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day without SPF...no
>> sun
>> here, which is one reason I moved here and love it here....so I was
>> thinking
>> of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT 10 minutes a day, LOL,
>> because
>> that area has had so little exposure I wouldn't get skin cancer for 30
>> years, if ever. Anyone?
>
> Sun lamp on fish-belly white butt? Start gently. ;-)
>
> It sounds like you may be allergic to vitamin D. The magic combo for
> bone building is vitamin D + calcium + magnesium. Find out what a good
> calcium/magnesium level would be for you, and tan your butt.
>
> Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
> food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much animal
> protein will do that.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

fortunata wrote:
> scare tactic?
> I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
> and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or infer a
> darned thing.


The eating of meat, she means - since meat was traditionally more
expensive than vegetables, so only the richer people ate a lot of
meat. Hence "gout" was a rich old man's disease.

--
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

In article <qBz1k.34560$SV4.18174@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote:

> scare tactic?
> I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
> and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or infer a
> darned thing.

I understand that to be eliptical of "the eating of meat."

Priscilla

>
> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
> news:1ii0uh4.ftkqd7148q8t7N%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
> > Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
> >>
> >> > Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is through
> >> > food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much
> >> > animal
> >> > protein will do that.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It is said by some as a scare tactic, but it's not true. When it happens
> >> at all, studies show it's a very temprorary effect, and that bone
> >> density is actually improved (in the elderly at least) in those who eat
> >> the most animal protein.
> >
> > Good to know. Though I have to wonder if there is some other mechanism
> > at work. Meat implies the financial strength to get healthier food.
> >
> > --
> > Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> > http://home.online.no/~kafox/

"fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsBz1k.34559$SV4.11421@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>> Isn't osteopenia just the normal reduced bone density level of a
>> post-meno woman?
>
> normal for whom?

Poast-meno women.

my mom is 84 and doesn't have it, my friend Candice is 61
> and doesn't have it, blah blah and so on.

I do. Very good bone density at 50 (approx. 3 yrs. post-meno), then not so
dense - but not a problem - at 55.

There have been fairly big discussions about osteopenia vs. osteoporosis
here, years ago. From those discussions, the gist seemed to be: osteopenia
= normal decline of bone density due to less estrogen in post-meno women =
not a problem in itself; osteoporosis, OTOH - bones not dense enough to
sustain regular wear & tear of life & may fracture easily, therefore a
problem.

Cathy




>>
>> Cathy
>>
>> and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
>>> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
>>> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
>>> about 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl,
>>> people used to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough
>>> D? Not sure, but now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a day
>>> without SPF...no sun here, which is one reason I moved here and love it
>>> here....so I was thinking of buying a sunlamp and putting it on my BUTT
>>> 10 minutes a day, LOL, because that area has had so little exposure I
>>> wouldn't get skin cancer for 30 years, if ever. Anyone?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

the WHO says only 45% of woman have it by age 65.

but ... who knows, I might have had it when I was 25, no one tested ;-) I
had half a uterus my whole life and never knew. didn't know my nose had been
broken prenatally either. anyway my -penia is near the cusp...but spinal
only....so apparently not "normal" for me to have hip/femur problems.

"Cathy F." <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
news:w7CdnT_Lp6sFY9vV4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
>
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsBz1k.34559$SV4.11421@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>
>>> Isn't osteopenia just the normal reduced bone density level of a
>>> post-meno woman?
>>
>> normal for whom?
>
> Poast-meno women.
>
> my mom is 84 and doesn't have it, my friend Candice is 61
>> and doesn't have it, blah blah and so on.
>
> I do. Very good bone density at 50 (approx. 3 yrs. post-meno), then not
> so dense - but not a problem - at 55.
>
> There have been fairly big discussions about osteopenia vs. osteoporosis
> here, years ago. From those discussions, the gist seemed to be:
> osteopenia = normal decline of bone density due to less estrogen in
> post-meno women = not a problem in itself; osteoporosis, OTOH - bones not
> dense enough to sustain regular wear & tear of life & may fracture easily,
> therefore a problem.
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> and Vitamin D makes me sick...I'm doing liquid now,
>>>> gagging it down....calcium levels were normal and we don't know about
>>>> D....I've always exercised and for years I was a sun bum, gave that up
>>>> about 20 years ago but in my teens and 20s I was the Coppertone girl,
>>>> people used to beg for tanning advice, eeek. so didn't I "bank" enough
>>>> D? Not sure, but now they are saying get out in the sun 15 minutes a
>>>> day without SPF...no sun here, which is one reason I moved here and
>>>> love it here....so I was thinking of buying a sunlamp and putting it on
>>>> my BUTT 10 minutes a day, LOL, because that area has had so little
>>>> exposure I wouldn't get skin cancer for 30 years, if ever. Anyone?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

ah.

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-1EDE68.14065404062008@individual.net...
> In article <qBz1k.34560$SV4.18174@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "fortunata" <pacifist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> scare tactic?
>> I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
>> and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or
>> infer a
>> darned thing.
>
> I understand that to be eliptical of "the eating of meat."
>
> Priscilla
>
>>
>> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
>> news:1ii0uh4.ftkqd7148q8t7N%thinkbig.shrinktofit@o nline.no...
>> > Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >>
>> >> Keera Ann Fox wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Best way to get the calcium and magnesium (and even vit. D) is
>> >> > through
>> >> > food. Some foods may leech calcium, too. It is said that too much
>> >> > animal
>> >> > protein will do that.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> It is said by some as a scare tactic, but it's not true. When it
>> >> happens
>> >> at all, studies show it's a very temprorary effect, and that bone
>> >> density is actually improved (in the elderly at least) in those who
>> >> eat
>> >> the most animal protein.
>> >
>> > Good to know. Though I have to wonder if there is some other mechanism
>> > at work. Meat implies the financial strength to get healthier food.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
>> > http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Jette <bosslady@scotlandmail.com> wrote:

> fortunata wrote:
> > scare tactic?
> > I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
> > and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or infer a
> > darned thing.
>
>
> The eating of meat, she means - since meat was traditionally more
> expensive than vegetables, so only the richer people ate a lot of
> meat. Hence "gout" was a rich old man's disease.

And nowadays, China's new-found wealth lets its citizens have meat as
often as four times a week.

--
Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

sad. Norway, I think the second-most-livable country, right?
congratulations! I know some U.S. people who migrated to Norway after one of
our elections. I'm moored in the U.S. for at least another 5 years. probably
won't stay then. I went to Iceland on vacation (it scored #1 in livability)
but found the lack of trees so depressing as to induce catatonia or
hysteria.

"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinktofit@online.no> wrote in message
news:1ii33dt.6p62gvr479yN%thinkbig.shrinktofit@onl ine.no...
> Jette <bosslady@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>
>> fortunata wrote:
>> > scare tactic?
>> > I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
>> > and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or
>> > infer a
>> > darned thing.
>>
>>
>> The eating of meat, she means - since meat was traditionally more
>> expensive than vegetables, so only the richer people ate a lot of
>> meat. Hence "gout" was a rich old man's disease.
>
> And nowadays, China's new-found wealth lets its citizens have meat as
> often as four times a week.
>
> --
> Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> http://home.online.no/~kafox/

On Jun 9, 12:58*pm, "fortunata" <pacif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sad. Norway, I think the second-most-livable country, right?
> congratulations! I know some U.S. people who migrated to Norway after one of
> our elections. I'm moored in the U.S. for at least another 5 years. probably
> won't stay then. I went to Iceland on vacation (it scored #1 in livability)
> but found the lack of trees so depressing as to induce catatonia or
> hysteria.
>
> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbig.shrinkto...@online.no> wrote in messagenews:1ii33dt.6p62gvr479yN%thinkbig.shrinkto fit@online.no...
>
>
>
> > Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> fortunata wrote:
> >> > scare tactic?
> >> > I don't eat mammals or fowl at all.
> >> > and how can "meat imply"? -- it's dead animals, so it can't imply or
> >> > infer a
> >> > darned thing.
>
> >> The eating of meat, she means - since meat was traditionally more
> >> expensive than vegetables, so only the richer people ate a lot of
> >> meat. *Hence "gout" was a rich old man's disease.
>
> > And nowadays, China's new-found wealth lets its citizens have meat as
> > often as four times a week.
>
> > --
> > Keera in Norway * Think big and then ask for more.
> >http://home.online.no/~kafox/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Finally catching up to this discussion. Have any of you gotten a bone
test after taking post-meno estrogen, and then suddenly quitting?
According to the literature this will cause a sudden drop in bone
density. I had a plus one T score four years ago, but lately have
been getting dinged at the dentist's for bone loss. Guess it would be
a good idea to ask for a new osteoporosis test, especially with the
specter of antihormone therapy on the horizon.

Lane, you got osteopenia despite weight training? I thought this
strenuous outdoor hillbilly life would preserve my bones. I've long
taken cal, mag and D, but a few months ago added Boron. Has that
helped anyone? Being a perennial vegetarian has always been a winner
for me, but I just had to give up tofu so that won't help.

Les

Les: did you give up tofu because of the cancer? I did for a while but the
prevailing wisdom seems to be that either small amounts or huge amounts are
OK, LOL< so I am doing small amounts. My son guzzles soy milk, I hope he
doesn't get breast cancer. sigh.
Wow, plus one on your T-sore? Mine is 2.2 in spine, OK for hips and
femur....left femur is dicey though. yes, despite having been a "jock" for
the last 30 years. My thinking, though, is that I might have had osteopenia
for decades; after all, no one checked until now. I have small bones and a
strange spine. Always had enough calcium but not (apparently) enough D,
despite years of (eeek) sunbathing.

I never took estrogen or progesterone so can't answer your question, but,
sigh, you should probably get checked, although....you're not going on
Fosamax anyway, are you? I don't think you will like the anti-hormone
supplements (sorry, just being honest). I am determined to stick it out a
year and then think it over. I looked into Boron but am not taking it.

it's awful, all the due diligence and research and input and uncertainty.
but then, this has been my life since I was very young. the difference with
breast cancer is that for the first time I actually got something "normal,"
something people had heard of, something someone else got! but....NO pink
ribbons or LiveStrong bracelets, eeeek....


Finally catching up to this discussion. Have any of you gotten a bone
test after taking post-meno estrogen, and then suddenly quitting?
According to the literature this will cause a sudden drop in bone
density. I had a plus one T score four years ago, but lately have
been getting dinged at the dentist's for bone loss. Guess it would be
a good idea to ask for a new osteoporosis test, especially with the
specter of antihormone therapy on the horizon.

Lane, you got osteopenia despite weight training? I thought this
strenuous outdoor hillbilly life would preserve my bones. I've long
taken cal, mag and D, but a few months ago added Boron. Has that
helped anyone? Being a perennial vegetarian has always been a winner
for me, but I just had to give up tofu so that won't help.

Les

On Jun 11, 11:52*am, "fortunata" <pacif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Les: did you give up tofu because of the cancer? I did for a while but the
> prevailing wisdom seems to be that either small amounts or huge amounts are
> OK, LOL< so I am doing small amounts. My son guzzles soy milk, I hope he
> doesn't get breast cancer. sigh.
> Wow, plus one on your T-sore? Mine is 2.2 in spine, OK for hips and
> femur....left femur is dicey though. yes, despite having been a "jock" for
> the last 30 years. My thinking, though, is that I might have had osteopenia
> for decades; after all, no one checked until now. I have small bones and a
> strange spine. Always had enough calcium but not (apparently) enough D,
> despite years of (eeek) sunbathing.
>
> I never took estrogen or progesterone so can't answer your question, but,
> sigh, you should probably get checked, although....you're not going on
> Fosamax anyway, are you? I don't think you will like the anti-hormone
> supplements (sorry, just being honest). I am determined to stick it out a
> year and then think it over. I looked into Boron but am not taking it.
>
> it's awful, all the due diligence and research and input and uncertainty.
> but then, this has been my life since I was very young. the difference with
> breast cancer is that for the first time I actually got something "normal,"
> something people had heard of, something someone else got! but....NO pink
> ribbons or LiveStrong bracelets, eeeek....
>
> Finally catching up to this discussion. *Have any of you gotten a bone
> test after taking post-meno estrogen, and then suddenly quitting?
> According to the literature this will cause a sudden drop in bone
> density. *I had a plus one T score four years ago, but lately have
> been getting dinged at the dentist's for bone loss. *Guess it would be
> a good idea to ask for a new osteoporosis test, especially with the
> specter of antihormone therapy on the horizon.
>
> Lane, you got osteopenia despite weight training? *I thought this
> strenuous outdoor hillbilly life would preserve my bones. I've long
> taken cal, mag and D, but a few months ago added Boron. *Has that
> helped anyone? *Being a perennial vegetarian has always been a winner
> for me, but I just had to give up tofu so that won't help.
>
> Les

Lane,

Yes I stopped tofu because of the cancer. I ate 3 or 4 ounces a day,
it was my staple protein more than 10 years. As an ethical vegetarian
I was thrilled to find a replacement for cheese. There's quite a
debate raging about tofu feeding tumors, so I'm waiting to see which
way it goes. There's a knowledgeable herb & vitamin guy at a local
health food store, and he confirmed that I should stop.

I hope it's okay to drink a small amount of soy milk, am still doing
that. What's bad is wolfing down soy burgers, soy protein
supplements, all that highly processed stuff.

I've spent far too much time in the sun too, mostly at altitudes over
5,000 feet, terrible sunburns, etc. etc. I don't like being paranoid
but it's probably appropriate.

Yeah, a further estrogen reduction is pretty unthinkable, but I'll try
it. Some of my relatives take Fosamax, and my sister's taking
Evista. That's what I'd like to take...wonder how a case can be
made. She gets it free from the company.

To your bones,

Les

yes, I knew your sis was taking Evista, but what I've read about it has me
unsure. what I'm taking increases my chance of stroke and endometrial cancer
and other s**t. I don't like the med OR the cost....I'll ask my oncologist
(I still can't believe the phrase "my oncologist") when I see him in a few
months. he doesn't even know me. Maybe Vitamin D supplements will help with
the neuropathy I've had for two years (long before big C). I do eat
Gardenburgers, have for years, I forgot about the soy in them! They are one
of the four basic food groups, I ate them back when Paul Wenner was still
the owner and chief book.
I don't know why you couldn't petition for Evista. I had a thought last
night; why couldn't I have gotten a Femara prescription and skipped the
surgery? After all, it's proven to prevent tumor growth and metastasis, so
couldn't I just have bopped along another 30 years with my 1-cm mass? And
skipped all the invasive awful stuff, which has left me one-nippled? ;-0
not that i like the med.