Anthony's Song

I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I haven't
discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is about
to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money I
get. But a few things are for sure:

1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I can't
afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to make
sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
(Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)

Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
input is invited to pipe up.

Miki

On Aug 21, 12:20 am, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I haven't
> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is about
> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money I
> get. But a few things are for sure:
>
> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I can't
> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to make
> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>
> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
> input is invited to pipe up.
>

Miki,

Don't get into a twelve month lease, if you can help it! Even if you
have to lower your "standards" and live in a little hut by the tracks,
then do it. Try to find a little old lady who runs an boarding house
or a retired couple looking to rent out a "trailer outback". Don't
worry about public transportation. All you need is a good bicycle or
some nice people who give you a ride to town.

<chessucat advises>

"chessucat" <chessucat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187744297.505532.287160@i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> On Aug 21, 12:20 am, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
>> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
>> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I
>> haven't
>> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
>> about
>> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money
>> I
>> get. But a few things are for sure:
>>
>> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
>> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I
>> can't
>> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
>> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to
>> make
>> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
>> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
>> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
>> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>>
>> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
>> input is invited to pipe up.
>>
>
> Miki,
>
> Don't get into a twelve month lease, if you can help it! Even if you
> have to lower your "standards" and live in a little hut by the tracks,
> then do it. Try to find a little old lady who runs an boarding house
> or a retired couple looking to rent out a "trailer outback". Don't
> worry about public transportation. All you need is a good bicycle or
> some nice people who give you a ride to town.
>
> <chessucat advises>

Thanks, Ches. Around here leases are usually required by places I can't
afford anyway. If I'm renting a $325 room or even a $500 basement bachelor,
it's unlikely the landlord would bother with legal fussing because he'd know
I have nothing to be sued for. And if I can stay on disability, my benefits
are guaranteed until the end of October 2008 anyway, *and* disability mails
the rent cheque directly to the landlord.

It's hard to carry groceries on a bicycle and I don't want to depend on
someone else for rides, and it's hard to hunt for a place in sparsely
populated areas anyway, but I'll think about what you've said.

Miki

Medication can make parents easier to deal with. My guess is that your
first step would be to save up some money.

IMHO: Greyhound is expensive. They have no real bus competition, so their
rates are just below what the airlines charge.

When I was unmedicated and dealing with anxiety, I found that it helped to
build my day so that I was out-of-the-house all day. I returned for dinner
and sleep.


"Miki Kocic" <isotope@mikikocic.com> wrote in message
news:13ckq0nss0taude@corp.supernews.com...
> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I haven't
> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
> about to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much
> money I get. But a few things are for sure:
>
> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I can't
> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to make
> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>
> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
> input is invited to pipe up.
>
> Miki
>

On 21 aug, 06:20, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I haven't
> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is about
> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money I
> get. But a few things are for sure:
>
> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I can't
> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to make
> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>
> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
> input is invited to pipe up.
>
> Miki

Getting a place of your own that you can afford while on disability
takes some time. It took me 5 years to get what I wanted and even
now it is not really perfect. I aim for another place in 3 to 4 years
but
I am glad with what I have now (2 rooms appartment, kitchen, shower,
toilet)
It costs me $350 a month. Lower than that is impossible to get.
I also stayed with my parents for a few years, but young and old
mostly do not mix very well. I was away during the daytime to an
activity centre and came home for dinner and spend the evening
upstairs in my room. God , I am so glad I have my own place now
again.

Berty

"Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskirasputin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187802490.520472.9120@l22g2000prc.googlegrou ps.com...
> On 21 aug, 06:20, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
>> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
>> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I
>> haven't
>> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
>> about
>> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money
>> I
>> get. But a few things are for sure:
>>
>> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
>> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I
>> can't
>> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
>> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to
>> make
>> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
>> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
>> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
>> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>>
>> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
>> input is invited to pipe up.
>>
>> Miki
>
> Getting a place of your own that you can afford while on disability
> takes some time. It took me 5 years to get what I wanted and even
> now it is not really perfect. I aim for another place in 3 to 4 years
> but
> I am glad with what I have now (2 rooms appartment, kitchen, shower,
> toilet)
> It costs me $350 a month. Lower than that is impossible to get.
> I also stayed with my parents for a few years, but young and old
> mostly do not mix very well. I was away during the daytime to an
> activity centre and came home for dinner and spend the evening
> upstairs in my room. God , I am so glad I have my own place now
> again.
>
> Berty
>

2 br for $350?

Is this the Section 8 thing they talk about?

What city has these prices?

In my city (county) they don't let you get on the list for housing. The
list is closed for years and then they open it for a brief window. However,
most of those on disability never find out when the window opens. If they
had an ongoing list, I would have gotten housing years ago through the
program. Unfortunately, I am still not even on the list. Ten years on
disability makes no difference compared to someone new. I suspect that they
cheat and use the closed list to control who gets to bypass the system and
get housing.

On 23 aug, 02:12, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
> "Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187802490.520472.9120@l22g2000prc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 21 aug, 06:20, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
> >> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly and
> >> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I
> >> haven't
> >> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
> >> about
> >> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much money
> >> I
> >> get. But a few things are for sure:
>
> >> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
> >> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I
> >> can't
> >> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
> >> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to
> >> make
> >> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
> >> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree to
> >> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
> >> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>
> >> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who has
> >> input is invited to pipe up.
>
> >> Miki
>
> > Getting a place of your own that you can afford while on disability
> > takes some time. It took me 5 years to get what I wanted and even
> > now it is not really perfect. I aim for another place in 3 to 4 years
> > but
> > I am glad with what I have now (2 rooms appartment, kitchen, shower,
> > toilet)
> > It costs me $350 a month. Lower than that is impossible to get.
> > I also stayed with my parents for a few years, but young and old
> > mostly do not mix very well. I was away during the daytime to an
> > activity centre and came home for dinner and spend the evening
> > upstairs in my room. God , I am so glad I have my own place now
> > again.
>
> > Berty
>
> 2 br for $350?
>
> Is this the Section 8 thing they talk about?
>
> What city has these prices?
>
> In my city (county) they don't let you get on the list for housing. The
> list is closed for years and then they open it for a brief window. However,
> most of those on disability never find out when the window opens. If they
> had an ongoing list, I would have gotten housing years ago through the
> program. Unfortunately, I am still not even on the list. Ten years on
> disability makes no difference compared to someone new. I suspect that they
> cheat and use the closed list to control who gets to bypass the system and
> get housing.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I live in Europe, in the Netherlands, in a city called Heerhugowaard.

We have an ongoing list here , where it takes you 3 years of waiting
to get
on the top of the list. For another city, where my girlfriend lives it
takes 4 to 5
years to get on the top of the list.

We also have housing for people on disability here but you have to be
a severe
case to get such a house.

Berty

"Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskirasputin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 23 aug, 02:12, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
>> "Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187802490.520472.9120@l22g2000prc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 21 aug, 06:20, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
>> >> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly
>> >> and
>> >> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I
>> >> haven't
>> >> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
>> >> about
>> >> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much
>> >> money
>> >> I
>> >> get. But a few things are for sure:
>>
>> >> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
>> >> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I
>> >> can't
>> >> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
>> >> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to
>> >> make
>> >> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
>> >> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree
>> >> to
>> >> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
>> >> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>>
>> >> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who
>> >> has
>> >> input is invited to pipe up.
>>
>> >> Miki
>>
>> > Getting a place of your own that you can afford while on disability
>> > takes some time. It took me 5 years to get what I wanted and even
>> > now it is not really perfect. I aim for another place in 3 to 4 years
>> > but
>> > I am glad with what I have now (2 rooms appartment, kitchen, shower,
>> > toilet)
>> > It costs me $350 a month. Lower than that is impossible to get.
>> > I also stayed with my parents for a few years, but young and old
>> > mostly do not mix very well. I was away during the daytime to an
>> > activity centre and came home for dinner and spend the evening
>> > upstairs in my room. God , I am so glad I have my own place now
>> > again.
>>
>> > Berty
>>
>> 2 br for $350?
>>
>> Is this the Section 8 thing they talk about?
>>
>> What city has these prices?
>>
>> In my city (county) they don't let you get on the list for housing. The
>> list is closed for years and then they open it for a brief window.
>> However,
>> most of those on disability never find out when the window opens. If
>> they
>> had an ongoing list, I would have gotten housing years ago through the
>> program. Unfortunately, I am still not even on the list. Ten years on
>> disability makes no difference compared to someone new. I suspect that
>> they
>> cheat and use the closed list to control who gets to bypass the system
>> and
>> get housing.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>
>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>
> I live in Europe, in the Netherlands, in a city called Heerhugowaard.
>
> We have an ongoing list here , where it takes you 3 years of waiting
> to get
> on the top of the list. For another city, where my girlfriend lives it
> takes 4 to 5
> years to get on the top of the list.
>
> We also have housing for people on disability here but you have to be
> a severe
> case to get such a house.
>
> Berty
>

In the US, I suspect there are some affordable places. In the 1980s I
visited Provo, Utah. A friend's brother there was renting a 5 bedroom house
for $350 per month.

Once my parents pass, I could live anywhere in the US to find cheap housing.
Google searches seem to not be very helpful. There are large numbers of
websites that *compare* different specific cities, but they don't just list
the least expensive ones.

I also need to consider that there are some US cities that are quite
dangerous, or have extreme weather.

On 23 aug, 18:43, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
> "Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187852210.201981.167750@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 23 aug, 02:12, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
> >> "Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1187802490.520472.9120@l22g2000prc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> > On 21 aug, 06:20, "Miki Kocic" <isot...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
> >> >> I've decided I'm going to move out of my parents' place in an orderly
> >> >> and
> >> >> open fashion. Right now I'm trying to line up some ducks because I
> >> >> haven't
> >> >> discussed it with my psychotherapist yet and my disability benefit is
> >> >> about
> >> >> to undergo an ad hoc non-medical review that might affect how much
> >> >> money
> >> >> I
> >> >> get. But a few things are for sure:
>
> >> >> 1. I'll be changing cities because of housing costs
> >> >> 2. I'll need an urban environment with good public transit because I
> >> >> can't
> >> >> afford a car right now, but want the smallest city I can manage
> >> >> 3. If I have roommates or a live-in landlord I'll need to vet them to
> >> >> make
> >> >> sure they can cope with a tenant on the autism spectrum
> >> >> 4. I want to keep my current psych treatment team and, if they agree
> >> >> to
> >> >> that, want no more than a 2-hour Greyhound ride to my appointments.
> >> >> (Disability reimburses for medical travel costs up to a point.)
>
> >> >> Lots of people here on alt.sz have gone through this, so anyone who
> >> >> has
> >> >> input is invited to pipe up.
>
> >> >> Miki
>
> >> > Getting a place of your own that you can afford while on disability
> >> > takes some time. It took me 5 years to get what I wanted and even
> >> > now it is not really perfect. I aim for another place in 3 to 4 years
> >> > but
> >> > I am glad with what I have now (2 rooms appartment, kitchen, shower,
> >> > toilet)
> >> > It costs me $350 a month. Lower than that is impossible to get.
> >> > I also stayed with my parents for a few years, but young and old
> >> > mostly do not mix very well. I was away during the daytime to an
> >> > activity centre and came home for dinner and spend the evening
> >> > upstairs in my room. God , I am so glad I have my own place now
> >> > again.
>
> >> > Berty
>
> >> 2 br for $350?
>
> >> Is this the Section 8 thing they talk about?
>
> >> What city has these prices?
>
> >> In my city (county) they don't let you get on the list for housing. The
> >> list is closed for years and then they open it for a brief window.
> >> However,
> >> most of those on disability never find out when the window opens. If
> >> they
> >> had an ongoing list, I would have gotten housing years ago through the
> >> program. Unfortunately, I am still not even on the list. Ten years on
> >> disability makes no difference compared to someone new. I suspect that
> >> they
> >> cheat and use the closed list to control who gets to bypass the system
> >> and
> >> get housing.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> >> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>
> > I live in Europe, in the Netherlands, in a city called Heerhugowaard.
>
> > We have an ongoing list here , where it takes you 3 years of waiting
> > to get
> > on the top of the list. For another city, where my girlfriend lives it
> > takes 4 to 5
> > years to get on the top of the list.
>
> > We also have housing for people on disability here but you have to be
> > a severe
> > case to get such a house.
>
> > Berty
>
> In the US, I suspect there are some affordable places. In the 1980s I
> visited Provo, Utah. A friend's brother there was renting a 5 bedroom house
> for $350 per month.
>
> Once my parents pass, I could live anywhere in the US to find cheap housing.
> Google searches seem to not be very helpful. There are large numbers of
> websites that *compare* different specific cities, but they don't just list
> the least expensive ones.
>
> I also need to consider that there are some US cities that are quite
> dangerous, or have extreme weather.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

America is such a huge place and the Netherlands so small, by car you
drive in 2.5 hours from north to south and 2 hours from west to east.
Because it is such a small country with high density of people per
quare km, public transport is everywhere. I travel a lot by bus and
although I cannot afford a car, I get everywhere I want by public
transport. Next week I go for a small holiday of 3 days with my
girlfriend to visit an aunt in Groningen, the city where I have
studied for a while.

Berty