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Old 07-01-2008, 11:35 AM
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in the beginning

naksha - (hindi word) plan

nakasa - (hindi word) beginning

sitta - (arabic word)


what is meant by "worship of golden calf"?

what is meant by "is Yahweh young?"?

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:40 AM
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If a bereshits in the woods and noone's around, does it use toilet
paper?
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:01 PM
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Ancient rabbis claimed that the Torah actually began with Aleph
and ended in Tau, the A to Z of the Hebrew alphabet, that it didn't
begin with the Beth in Berashith.
The supposed first verse of Genesis went, "Nothingness (Aleph Yod
Nun) was not (Aleph Yod Nun) before God spoke the word of nothingness
(Aleph Yod Nun)".
It is always said that God created the world from nothing. Well,
here is how there came to be nothing so that God could create the world
from nothing (Aleph Yod Nun, Ain, pronounced "eyennn")
This verse was also supposedly banned from the Bible by the Nicene
Counsel of 325 to "protect" the Lost Word. But the Nicene Counsel banned
whole stories from the Bible, like, Zerubbabel the King, Jeshua the
Priest, and Ezra the Scribe came to the ruins of King Solomon's Temple.
They descended into a well and discovered the word of creation.
Ain (Aleph Yod Nun) also means well, eye, ring, not, and nothingness.
One can see the international syncretism of traditions in the world
today. The movie titled "The Ring", has a girl with her hair hiding one
eye and she died in a well. Also, Ju Ju Babalawos are doing the Yi Jing,
and there are Iko Awos in Bucharest.

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Old 07-02-2008, 02:38 PM
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"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Ancient rabbis claimed that the Torah actually began with Aleph
> and ended in Tau, the A to Z of the Hebrew alphabet, that it didn't
> begin with the Beth in Berashith.
> The supposed first verse of Genesis went, "Nothingness (Aleph Yod
> Nun) was not (Aleph Yod Nun) before God spoke the word of nothingness
> (Aleph Yod Nun)".
> It is always said that God created the world from nothing. Well,
> here is how there came to be nothing so that God could create the world
> from nothing (Aleph Yod Nun, Ain, pronounced "eyennn")
> This verse was also supposedly banned from the Bible by the Nicene
> Counsel of 325 to "protect" the Lost Word. But the Nicene Counsel banned
> whole stories from the Bible, like, Zerubbabel the King, Jeshua the
> Priest, and Ezra the Scribe came to the ruins of King Solomon's Temple.
> They descended into a well and discovered the word of creation.
> Ain (Aleph Yod Nun) also means well, eye, ring, not, and nothingness.
> One can see the international syncretism of traditions in the world
> today. The movie titled "The Ring", has a girl with her hair hiding one
> eye and she died in a well. Also, Ju Ju Babalawos are doing the Yi Jing,
> and there are Iko Awos in Bucharest.


If you have real knowledge about religious writings purged from the Bible by
the Nicene, I'd like to hear about it. I'm especially interested in the
Secret Gospel of Mark, and so probably are thousands of Bible scholars.


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Old 07-02-2008, 04:40 PM
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You can do what I did and just pick it up surfing on the net about
it. Also you will find it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/
My cousin copied "The Book of Edom" from a fellow student in the
Sixties. That copy was stolen from the Shrine of the Infant Jesus in
Prague, Czechoslovakia during World War II. My cousin gave me
a copy of the "lots" base 128 symbol system from the Book of Edom.
Someone else must have it, for it was engraved on the walking stick of
Abraham in the movie "The Bible".
Abraham was before Esau (Edom) therefore that suggests that the
book is bogus. Also the numbers 1 through 22 are an awful lot like the
grand arcana of the tarot. And, the figures for the numbers 23 through
127 look like things whose Hebrew words add up to those numbers. Every
Hebrew letter is also a number.
But, this base 128 system has just about everything covered that
the Kang Xi radicals cover, but, they have diferent numbers, which
coincidently cross relate sarchastically.

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Old 07-02-2008, 04:40 PM
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"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> You can do what I did and just pick it up surfing on the net about
> it. Also you will find it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/
> My cousin copied "The Book of Edom" from a fellow student in the
> Sixties. That copy was stolen from the Shrine of the Infant Jesus in
> Prague, Czechoslovakia during World War II. My cousin gave me
> a copy of the "lots" base 128 symbol system from the Book of Edom.
> Someone else must have it, for it was engraved on the walking stick of
> Abraham in the movie "The Bible".
> Abraham was before Esau (Edom) therefore that suggests that the
> book is bogus. Also the numbers 1 through 22 are an awful lot like the
> grand arcana of the tarot. And, the figures for the numbers 23 through
> 127 look like things whose Hebrew words add up to those numbers. Every
> Hebrew letter is also a number.
> But, this base 128 system has just about everything covered that
> the Kang Xi radicals cover, but, they have diferent numbers, which
> coincidently cross relate sarchastically.


I didn't express interest in occultism but in Bible scholarship. All you've
told me that I want to know is that there's a forged work out there with
occult overtones. That's hardly new, because we already know about the
Gospel of Barnabas.

Occultism is a shady business that draws the wrong kind of attention. In
that realm I'd be an amateur, and the pros tend to be hostile and malicious
toward amateurs, so I'd rather stay out of it. But something like the Secret
Gospel of Mark is unlikely to contain occult elements and would be
informative to read. Mark, as it exists right now, is a confusing document,
and the original Mark might make sense of a lot that currently doesn't.


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Old 07-02-2008, 04:40 PM
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Where do you draw the line? There probably was an original Book of
Edom that was scriptural. Apocraphal books range from books like the
Book of Enoch, and the Book of Jasher, to the Sixth and Seventh Books of
Moses, and even an Eighth, Ninth & Tenth Books of Moses.
The Book of Judas is as despised by Fundamentalists as is the
Necronomicon. And, "If you have the faith of a mustard seed and say to
this mountain move it shall be moved", is as magical as you can get.
Put scientific, by the inductive resonance of strong will times
much imagination you are drawn to the probability timeline where the
mountain is elsewhere.
Remember, originally the word "occult" meant hidden, usually due
to imposed secrecy, violations of the First Amendment that have been
going on in this country. Scriptures should be out in the open. The
Bible says, "If you have the faith of a mustard seed and say to this
mountain move it shall be moved", out in the open, thus, it is usually
glossed over as too open to be practical, but, it works, when taken
seriously.
Then in the little known realms like
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/ props and methods for
generating faith and going in a fifth dimensional direction to where the
mind is more powerful to travel in a sixth dimensional direction to the
probability timelines where the desired result is your reality, are
given.
Alchemy was the name for general systems dynamics before the
Twentieth Century. Alchemy61 doesn't want to be little known, and it is
not hiding, it is not "occult". What? If it's true it's science and if
it's false it's religion? No. True religion and science are actually
identical.
A federal employee said to my cousin, "No! That isn't religion!
It's scientific fact!" My cousin couldn't shelter something under the
name of religion because it was true. He has become a Christian since
then.
Surprise! There are scientific facts in the Bible. And, if
something seems "occult", hidden, it has been suppressed, and it's hard
to "unoccultize" it. It takes people who want to spread the secrets so
that they will no longer be secrets, no more "occult", all the facts out
in the open, public.

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Old 07-03-2008, 01:42 AM
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"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Where do you draw the line? There probably was an original Book of
> Edom that was scriptural. Apocraphal books range from books like the
> Book of Enoch, and the Book of Jasher, to the Sixth and Seventh Books of
> Moses, and even an Eighth, Ninth & Tenth Books of Moses.
> The Book of Judas is as despised by Fundamentalists as is the
> Necronomicon. And, "If you have the faith of a mustard seed and say to
> this mountain move it shall be moved", is as magical as you can get.
> Put scientific, by the inductive resonance of strong will times
> much imagination you are drawn to the probability timeline where the
> mountain is elsewhere.
> Remember, originally the word "occult" meant hidden, usually due
> to imposed secrecy, violations of the First Amendment that have been
> going on in this country. Scriptures should be out in the open. The
> Bible says, "If you have the faith of a mustard seed and say to this
> mountain move it shall be moved", out in the open, thus, it is usually
> glossed over as too open to be practical, but, it works, when taken
> seriously.
> Then in the little known realms like
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/ props and methods for
> generating faith and going in a fifth dimensional direction to where the
> mind is more powerful to travel in a sixth dimensional direction to the
> probability timelines where the desired result is your reality, are
> given.
> Alchemy was the name for general systems dynamics before the
> Twentieth Century. Alchemy61 doesn't want to be little known, and it is
> not hiding, it is not "occult". What? If it's true it's science and if
> it's false it's religion? No. True religion and science are actually
> identical.
> A federal employee said to my cousin, "No! That isn't religion!
> It's scientific fact!" My cousin couldn't shelter something under the
> name of religion because it was true. He has become a Christian since
> then.
> Surprise! There are scientific facts in the Bible. And, if
> something seems "occult", hidden, it has been suppressed, and it's hard
> to "unoccultize" it. It takes people who want to spread the secrets so
> that they will no longer be secrets, no more "occult", all the facts out
> in the open, public.


Of the texts you mention the only one I'm familiar with is the Gospel of
Judas, and what exists of that is nearly unreadable. It suggests a couple of
interesting things about Jesus but that's about it. Why would
fundamentalists despise it? And why would a Vatican representative, in an
interview, blandly refer to it as old news?

If you have copies of these additional Books of Moses, or can refer me to
where I can find them, please let me know. But please note my interest in
these things is narrow and limited.


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Old 07-03-2008, 10:56 AM
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"The Fifth & Sixth Books of Moses" is a grimoire that is condemned
by Fundamentalist Christian ministers. It was translated by the Jesuit,
Father Hoffman. "The Seventh, Eighth & Ninth Books of Moses" is a bogus
play on "The Fifth & Sixth Books of Moses". Fundamentalist Christian
ministers consider these books to be very harmful to one's spiritual
well being.
The Catholic Church was totally corrupted by the year 270 AD. It
wouldn't be surprising if the Catholic Church added the "Book of Judas"
to its Bible, and it wouldn't make any difference. To quote "Darnell" in
"Christine", "You can't wash a turd".

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Old 07-03-2008, 10:56 AM
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"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> "The Fifth & Sixth Books of Moses" is a grimoire that is condemned
> by Fundamentalist Christian ministers. It was translated by the Jesuit,
> Father Hoffman. "The Seventh, Eighth & Ninth Books of Moses" is a bogus
> play on "The Fifth & Sixth Books of Moses". Fundamentalist Christian
> ministers consider these books to be very harmful to one's spiritual
> well being.
> The Catholic Church was totally corrupted by the year 270 AD. It
> wouldn't be surprising if the Catholic Church added the "Book of Judas"
> to its Bible, and it wouldn't make any difference. To quote "Darnell" in
> "Christine", "You can't wash a turd".


Where can I get hold of copies of these Books of Moses?


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Old 07-03-2008, 05:55 PM
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Warning: these books are hazardous to your spiritual health, but,
you have the free will to choose to see them and have them.
Of course, all you have to do is put their names in the search
slot in Google. I just did. They are there for sale in Amazon.
Fundamentalist Christians believe that all mental illness is
"demonic". These books wont help any.

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Old 07-03-2008, 05:55 PM
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"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Warning: these books are hazardous to your spiritual health, but,
> you have the free will to choose to see them and have them.
> Of course, all you have to do is put their names in the search
> slot in Google. I just did. They are there for sale in Amazon.
> Fundamentalist Christians believe that all mental illness is
> "demonic". These books wont help any.


I'm embarrassed to have put you through the trouble. But thank you. :-)


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