Casting out demons

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<http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>

Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.

<chessucat twitches>

On Jan 29, 8:01 pm, chessucat <chessu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> <http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>
> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>
> <chessucat twitches>

Interesting. I need to cast out a demon tonight. It is a graphite-like
ball of fear and anger and sadness that attached itself to my brain
and chest area today after some BS at work.

It will pass though.

If I am so normal, Cheshire Cat, then why do I continually need
medicines to keep from being totally sick and miserable?

Alison Wonderland

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On Jan 29, 9:37 pm, Gelly <Gell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting. I need to cast out a demon tonight. It is a graphite-like
> ball of fear and anger and sadness that attached itself to my brain
> and chest area today after some BS at work.
>
> It will pass though.
>
> If I am so normal, Cheshire Cat, then why do I continually need
> medicines to keep from being totally sick and miserable?
>
> Alison Wonderland

Just be normal, Gelly! In the words of Bob Newhart, "Stop it!" What
are the pills supposed to do, suppress negative thoughts? We are
supposed to have free will, non? Can't we just accept who we are and
where are and just let it be? They say that the 40s are a low curve
in the progression of life, but once you hit fifty then you become
happy again like when you were in your 20s. Don't you act normal in
public, Gelly? I mean, we can all act crazy and wild on the Internet,
but in public we act right. Like I was out walking around shopping
center the other day and I noticed a sign that said "Keep gate close"
and the gate was open to the dumpster. I had the urge to go over and
closed the gate, but I resisted it because someone might think that is
abnormal. I might let my obsessive-compulsive tendencies run wild at
home and on the Internet, but in the public I have act right. Aspies
have to act, because it doesn't come naturally sometimes.

Did you know that Heather reminded me of my cousin, almost spot on.

<chessucat slowly blinks>

On Jan 29, 9:21 pm, chessucat <chessu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Just be normal, Gelly! In the words of Bob Newhart, "Stop it!"


OK, I will just stop it when you stop having Asperger syndrome.

If you haven't been psychotic, you don't know what it's like. I get
very sick and can't think straight. I get really afraid of people and
angry and frightened and confused.

Also the depression stuff, it's not just neurosis, it has really
damaged my life...you should see my credit report and my stretch marks/
scar tissue on my body if you need proof of what depression has done
to me. Also the points on my poor driver's license because I was too
sick to stay legal, keep up with that, too.

I have anxiety so bad sometimes I get all kinds of physical and mental
symptoms, fun stuff like not being able to count tomatoes and bread at
Subway because I can't concentrate and throwing up when I put a
cigarette in my mouth, because my gag reflex has become so sensitive.

On and on, I don't have to justify myself, but I feel like writing it
a little right now.

My doctor and lawyer believe I am sick. We'll see what the judge
says... she or he is really the only one who still needs to be
convinced now...

Of course, they might believe I am sick, but their question is HOW
sick... we shall see...

Hmm.

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On Jan 29, 10:58 pm, Gelly <Gell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK, I will just stop it when you stop having Asperger syndrome.
>
> If you haven't been psychotic, you don't know what it's like. I get
> very sick and can't think straight. I get really afraid of people and
> angry and frightened and confused.
>
> Also the depression stuff, it's not just neurosis, it has really
> damaged my life...you should see my credit report and my stretch marks/
> scar tissue on my body if you need proof of what depression has done
> to me. Also the points on my poor driver's license because I was too
> sick to stay legal, keep up with that, too.
>
> I have anxiety so bad sometimes I get all kinds of physical and mental
> symptoms, fun stuff like not being able to count tomatoes and bread at
> Subway because I can't concentrate and throwing up when I put a
> cigarette in my mouth, because my gag reflex has become so sensitive.
>
> On and on, I don't have to justify myself, but I feel like writing it
> a little right now.
>
> My doctor and lawyer believe I am sick. We'll see what the judge
> says... she or he is really the only one who still needs to be
> convinced now...
>
> Of course, they might believe I am sick, but their question is HOW
> sick... we shall see...
>
> Hmm.

Okay okay, I'm NOT an Aspie! Subway is not a good place for you to
work!
A lot of people don't have clean credit reports, a good driving
records, or a
good work history. Are they "mentally ill" too? I tried to be
"bossy" and make
you "obey" the rules, but you refused! It okay, do what thou wilt!!!

<chessucat twitches>

chessucat wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:58 pm, Gelly <Gell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, I will just stop it when you stop having Asperger syndrome.
>>
>> If you haven't been psychotic, you don't know what it's like. I get
>> very sick and can't think straight. I get really afraid of people and
>> angry and frightened and confused.
>>
>> Also the depression stuff, it's not just neurosis, it has really
>> damaged my life...you should see my credit report and my stretch marks/
>> scar tissue on my body if you need proof of what depression has done
>> to me. Also the points on my poor driver's license because I was too
>> sick to stay legal, keep up with that, too.
>>
>> I have anxiety so bad sometimes I get all kinds of physical and mental
>> symptoms, fun stuff like not being able to count tomatoes and bread at
>> Subway because I can't concentrate and throwing up when I put a
>> cigarette in my mouth, because my gag reflex has become so sensitive.
>>
>> On and on, I don't have to justify myself, but I feel like writing it
>> a little right now.
>>
>> My doctor and lawyer believe I am sick. We'll see what the judge
>> says... she or he is really the only one who still needs to be
>> convinced now...
>>
>> Of course, they might believe I am sick, but their question is HOW
>> sick... we shall see...
>>
>> Hmm.
>
> Okay okay, I'm NOT an Aspie! Subway is not a good place for you to
> work!
> A lot of people don't have clean credit reports, a good driving
> records, or a
> good work history. Are they "mentally ill" too? I tried to be
> "bossy" and make
> you "obey" the rules, but you refused! It okay, do what thou wilt!!!
>
><chessucat twitches>

Gelly really has no need to justify herself to you. Any more than you
have a need to justify yourself to others, and my requests when you're
acting like Tourette's Guy.

chessucat wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>
> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>
><chessucat twitches>


Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
spirit turn for help.

You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
knowledge I think.

I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
something like this:

To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead to
wisdom.

I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.

Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
reality seem skewed to others.

It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.

"imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:fnp7dg$d35$3@news.xmission.com...
> chessucat wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>>
>> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>>
>><chessucat twitches>
>
>
> Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
> thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
> spirit turn for help.
>
> You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
> knowledge I think.
>
> I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
> something like this:
>
> To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead to
> wisdom.
>
> I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
> from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.
>
> Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
> reality seem skewed to others.

Miki Kocic wrote:
> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.

You can't be serious Miki? Folly and foolishness go with ignorance.

It's true though as Solomon said; "with much wisdom, comes much
heartache."


> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:fnp7dg$d35$3@news.xmission.com...
>> chessucat wrote:
>>>
>>><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>>>
>>> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>>>
>>><chessucat twitches>
>>
>>
>> Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
>> thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
>> spirit turn for help.
>>
>> You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
>> knowledge I think.
>>
>> I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
>> something like this:
>>
>> To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead to
>> wisdom.
>>
>> I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
>> from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.
>>
>> Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
>> reality seem skewed to others.
>
>

Because heartache is absolutely wrong, wisdom is absolutely wrong. That is
the lesson Jesus truly taught.



"imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:fnp7ve$d35$4@news.xmission.com...
> Miki Kocic wrote:
>> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
>> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.
>
> You can't be serious Miki? Folly and foolishness go with ignorance.
>
> It's true though as Solomon said; "with much wisdom, comes much
> heartache."
>
>
>> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnp7dg$d35$3@news.xmission.com...
>>> chessucat wrote:
>>>>
>>>><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>>>>
>>>><chessucat twitches>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
>>> thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
>>> spirit turn for help.
>>>
>>> You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
>>> knowledge I think.
>>>
>>> I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead to
>>> wisdom.
>>>
>>> I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
>>> from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.
>>>
>>> Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
>>> reality seem skewed to others.
>>
>>

"Miki Kocic"
> wrote in message news:13q08ia1p64aq39@corp.supernews.com...

> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.
>

agreed...

however you need to have had a lot of pain to realise that.
the light bulb moment for me came many years ago while reading
'of human bondage' by somerset maugham .
and no chessucat, it is not some book about kinky sex

zerosky

The word "demon" literally means "group spirit" in Greek. It says
in the New Testament. "We fight not flesh and blood, we fight powers and
principalities".
"Powers" are the group spirits of suprasocietal living systems,
and "principalties" are the group spirits of societies. They are
dependent upon 21 sysystems to subsist. An example of part of such a
subsystem is the highway system which is physical, therefore they are
called fallen.
The group spirits of organizations are called "archangels" by the
Jesuits. And the group spirits of small groups like anything from
families to only the "conspiracy" of two people, or even a man and his
dog, the Jesuits call "angels".
We are to totally adopt the "Body of Christ" and abandon
submission to group spirits, demons, from every one, from Uncle Sam to
the New York Yankees. For example, patriotism is a form of demon
possession.
Hostile group spirits, hositle to you, for example, for being a
real Christian, have portions of their group subconscious minds that act
like human like entities. They can try to mess with your mind.
The "Orishas" of Santaria are similar demonic manifestations. Such
entities give you your mental struggles. And being hostile to you for
one reason or another, like the group spirits of less fortunate groups,
can act like downright Tourett's Syndeome. You need Jesus Christ to save
you from these.

"zerosky" <zerosky@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
newsvXnj.5536$HV6.1503@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>
> "Miki Kocic"
>> wrote in message news:13q08ia1p64aq39@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
>> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.
>>
>
> agreed...
>
> however you need to have had a lot of pain to realise that.
> the light bulb moment for me came many years ago while reading
> 'of human bondage' by somerset maugham .
> and no chessucat, it is not some book about kinky sex
>
> zerosky

Shameful admission: the only thing by Somerset Maugham I've ever read is
"Rain," and it's a rare case where the ending actually caused me shock. The
novella ends right at the very climax. No chance to cuddle with the story
afterwards. Very good writing.

Miki

Miki Kocic wrote:
> Because heartache is absolutely wrong, wisdom is absolutely wrong. That is
> the lesson Jesus truly taught.

And you have proof of this somewhere?



> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:fnp7ve$d35$4@news.xmission.com...
>> Miki Kocic wrote:
>>> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus than
>>> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.
>>
>> You can't be serious Miki? Folly and foolishness go with ignorance.
>>
>> It's true though as Solomon said; "with much wisdom, comes much
>> heartache."
>>
>>
>>> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnp7dg$d35$3@news.xmission.com...
>>>> chessucat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>>>>>
>>>>><chessucat twitches>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
>>>> thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
>>>> spirit turn for help.
>>>>
>>>> You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
>>>> knowledge I think.
>>>>
>>>> I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
>>>> something like this:
>>>>
>>>> To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead to
>>>> wisdom.
>>>>
>>>> I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
>>>> from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
>>>> reality seem skewed to others.
>>>
>>>
>
>

"imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:fnqma4$h18$2@news.xmission.com...
> Miki Kocic wrote:
>> Because heartache is absolutely wrong, wisdom is absolutely wrong. That
>> is
>> the lesson Jesus truly taught.
>
> And you have proof of this somewhere?

Open your eyes and see life as the vile and misbegotten piece of unending
torment it really is. Make the scales of religious brainwashing fall away.

Miki

>
>
>
>> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnp7ve$d35$4@news.xmission.com...
>>> Miki Kocic wrote:
>>>> It is far, far better to have spent one's life as a happy ignoramus
>>>> than
>>>> ever to have learned anything at the cost of pain.
>>>
>>> You can't be serious Miki? Folly and foolishness go with ignorance.
>>>
>>> It's true though as Solomon said; "with much wisdom, comes much
>>> heartache."
>>>
>>>
>>>> "imaginator" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnp7dg$d35$3@news.xmission.com...
>>>>> chessucat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><http://www.doveministries.com/usa/books/demons.htm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting, but I don't know how relevant it to every situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><chessucat twitches>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even demons have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. I've often
>>>>> thought they were for teaching a spirit something, and making that
>>>>> spirit turn for help.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can cast out demons yourself through bettering yourself, and
>>>>> knowledge I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote a saying years ago though that may be relevant. It goes
>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> To have knowledge is to have wisdom, but all knowledge does not lead
>>>>> to
>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've saved myself some pain in some aspects of life through patterns
>>>>> from beings like Solomon, the Buddha, and even Jesus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someday I will discover why I get delusional, and my views on
>>>>> reality seem skewed to others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

Hi Miguel

the herd instinct and crowd behaviour in general is a much discussed topic.
traditionally the mob or 'maddening crowd is seen as threat to the
individual. but it is a huge subject as per usual, my knowledge here is
rudimentary to say the least.

It has been said that a herd of animals fleeing a predator are,
unconsciously, constantly aiming for the exact geometric centre of the herd,
which of course itself is constantly moving (the centre being the safest )

there is also a school of thought that examines 'the wisdom of crowds'
the thinking is that a crowd working together is better at solving problems
than an individual working alone.

In the 1950's during the cold war the usa lost one of its nuclear subs
somewhere in the pacific ocean. the last position they had was about an hour
old. It was agreed that the missing sub could be anywhere within a grid
covering thousands of square miles. the speed and direction was unknown and
the area of ocean where it disappeared was littered with strong currents.

To solve the problem all the main players were called together, designers of
the sub, naval personnel, oceanographers,the manufactures of the sub, local
sailors with knowledge of the currents, meteorologists, divers,
cartographers any one who could possibly provide some clues.

instead of sitting down together it was decided to place each one in
isolation, and give them the map of the grid of the area where the missing
vessel could be, they were instructed to place an x on the spot where they
thought it most likely that the sub had come to rest on the seabed.

As each person completed the task the marks they had placed on the grids
were transferred to a master map, when all had finished the master map was
analysed and the exact average geographical centre of the all the marks was
plotted.

The search teams who were by now in the area were told to begin their search
at that spot Incredibly the sub was found about one hundred yards from the
extrapolated position.

rgds

zerosky







"Miguel Lahunkun" <gellie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:703-47A05F24-1297@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> The word "demon" literally means "group spirit" in Greek. It says
> in the New Testament. "We fight not flesh and blood, we fight powers and
> principalities".
> "Powers" are the group spirits of suprasocietal living systems,
> and "principalties" are the group spirits of societies. They are
> dependent upon 21 sysystems to subsist. An example of part of such a
> subsystem is the highway system which is physical, therefore they are
> called fallen.
> The group spirits of organizations are called "archangels" by the
> Jesuits. And the group spirits of small groups like anything from
> families to only the "conspiracy" of two people, or even a man and his
> dog, the Jesuits call "angels".
> We are to totally adopt the "Body of Christ" and abandon
> submission to group spirits, demons, from every one, from Uncle Sam to
> the New York Yankees. For example, patriotism is a form of demon
> possession.
> Hostile group spirits, hositle to you, for example, for being a
> real Christian, have portions of their group subconscious minds that act
> like human like entities. They can try to mess with your mind.
> The "Orishas" of Santaria are similar demonic manifestations. Such
> entities give you your mental struggles. And being hostile to you for
> one reason or another, like the group spirits of less fortunate groups,
> can act like downright Tourett's Syndeome. You need Jesus Christ to save
> you from these.
>

Hi Miguel

the herd instinct and crowd behaviour in general is a much discussed topic.
traditionally the mob or 'maddening crowd is seen as threat to the
individual. but it is a huge subject as per usual, my knowledge here is
rudimentary to say the least.

It has been said that a herd of animals fleeing a predator are,
unconsciously, constantly aiming for the exact geometric centre of the herd,
which of course itself is constantly moving (the centre being the safest )

there is also a school of thought that examines 'the wisdom of crowds'
the thinking is that a crowd working together is better at solving problems
than an individual working alone.

In the 1950's during the cold war the usa lost one of its nuclear subs
somewhere in the pacific ocean. the last position they had was about an hour
old. It was agreed that the missing sub could be anywhere within a grid
covering thousands of square miles. the speed and direction was unknown and
the area of ocean where it disappeared was littered with strong currents.

To solve the problem all the main players were called together, designers of
the sub naval personnel, oceanographers,the manufactures of the sub, local
sailors with knowledge of the currents, meteorologists, divers,
cartographers
any one who could possibly provide some clues.

instead of sitting down together it was decided to place each one in
isolation, and give them the map of the grid of the area where the missing
vessel could be, they were instructed to place an x on the spot where they
thought it most likely that the sub had come to rest on the seabed.

As each person completed the task the marks they had placed on the grids
were transferred to a master map, when all had finished the master map was
analysed and the exact average geographical centre of the all the marks was
plotted.

The search teams who were by now in the area were told to begin their search
at that spot Incredibly the sub was found about one hundred yards from the
extrapolated position.

rgds

zerosky







"Miguel Lahunkun" <gellie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:703-47A05F24-1297@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> The word "demon" literally means "group spirit" in Greek. It says
> in the New Testament. "We fight not flesh and blood, we fight powers and
> principalities".
> "Powers" are the group spirits of suprasocietal living systems,
> and "principalties" are the group spirits of societies. They are
> dependent upon 21 sysystems to subsist. An example of part of such a
> subsystem is the highway system which is physical, therefore they are
> called fallen.
> The group spirits of organizations are called "archangels" by the
> Jesuits. And the group spirits of small groups like anything from
> families to only the "conspiracy" of two people, or even a man and his
> dog, the Jesuits call "angels".
> We are to totally adopt the "Body of Christ" and abandon
> submission to group spirits, demons, from every one, from Uncle Sam to
> the New York Yankees. For example, patriotism is a form of demon
> possession.
> Hostile group spirits, hositle to you, for example, for being a
> real Christian, have portions of their group subconscious minds that act
> like human like entities. They can try to mess with your mind.
> The "Orishas" of Santaria are similar demonic manifestations. Such
> entities give you your mental struggles. And being hostile to you for
> one reason or another, like the group spirits of less fortunate groups,
> can act like downright Tourett's Syndeome. You need Jesus Christ to save
> you from these.
>