"Cho" (Virginia Tech Gunman) How Say You? Paranoid Schizophrenic?

Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.

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no i dont think he was. at least not from what i have heard, but i dont read
or watch everything about him, i dont think they should be showing all his
tapes and such, they are just glorifying him, and thus making more kids and
young adults want to do the same thing to get there name in the news, in my
personal opionion. so i stopped watching. though i have read some stuff
about him on the internet.
so with what i know about him i say "no he wasnt".


"W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com" <gospam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
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>

One report said he was taking an anti-depressant. Some drugs are known for
causing violent behavior.

Maybe, he was on amphetamines, or something.

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>
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> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.

I suspect Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and/or Antisocial Personality
Disorder.

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Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.

Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/

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He couldn't pay his taxes! April 16th?

For the first time, the media didn't come out and call Cho a
"psychotic paranoid schizophrenic", like THEY always did. It was found
that Cho had a past mental health record, but still, THEY didn't call
him a schizophrenic. I tend to think it was the anti-establishment
campaign of us schizophrenics in Alchemy 61 that has taught THEM some
lessons. Also, TV shows like "Criminal Minds" have been leaving us
schizophrenics alone, recently.
There hasn't been much information about Cho's mental health
record. I and everybody I know don't know what Cho's mental health
record was for, or what drugs he was on. We wasted much valuable time
trying to find out. Before, the first thing you heard was "psychotic
paranoid schizophrenic". You didn't have to pay attention; it just
blared out on all radios. If you were walking through a supermarket
you'd hear it bellowing out of the intercom. But, with Cho, after days
of searching and waiting we haven't heard anything meaningful about
Cho's mental health record. It's like we now have a chip on our sholder
from decades of abuse, "Go on, knock it off, I dare you!"; but, it seems
THEY have learnt THEIR lesson. How did we do it? Probably by spreading
THEIR secrets. THEY found THEY can't afford to make enemies. THEY think
we're going to stop? Now, not unless we're financially comfortable for
life.

Hi,

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
Personality Disorder)

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq82.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq45.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq57.html

http://open-site.org/Health/Conditio...ty/Antisocial/

Narcissism on Crime TV

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k.../4.html?sect=2

Crime and Terrorism

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/serialkillers.html (PopMatters.com)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/12.html (The Idler)

Corporate Narcissism

http://www.suite101.com/bulletin.cfm/6514/10621 (New York Times)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/co...arcissism.html (United
Press
International - Part I, Part II)

http://www.nypress.com/16/7/news&columns/feature.cfm (New York Press)

Listen to "Psychopaths in Suits" on Australia's ABC Radio

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing...72004_2856.ram

Or read the transcript here:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing...s/s1158704.htm

Abusive Relationships

http://www.suite101.com/topic_page.cfm/6514/2051

http://www.suite101.com/bulletin.cfm/18046/12847

Mirror, Mirror ... (Toronto Sun)

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Toront...30/608650.html

Thank you again. Have a safe, warm, and productive week.

Sam

Hi,

For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/...ismglance.html

Other Personality Disorders

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html

Take care.

Sam

"samvaknin" <palma@unet.com.mk> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
> Personality Disorder)

Those were interesting links. You obviously know a lot about the subject.
Would you care to speculate as to Cho's case?

--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.

Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/

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This is a good article on it:

http://www.alternet.org/story/50758/

and the author points out that he was bullied and harassed and that
that played a role in the events of last Monday.

However, his behavior was odd even before this (e.g. stalking) so
it was probably a combination of things to which the bullying did not
help.

I find his self-characterization of being a martyr as horribly
twisted; martyrs don't kill themselves (and they don't go on shooting
sprees, either). My understanding of a martyr is one that lives in
peace and joy; other's jealousy causes them to harass and bully the
individual and, since that doesn't stop them, they end up killing
them.

As for paranoid schizophrenia, from what I could tell, he didn't
seem to exhibit too much of that behavior outside of the general
persecution complex but, guess what, he was being bullied hence he
should have felt persecuted. But he went the way of the world in
handling that.

It is necessary for draw inspiration, energy, power, etc. from the
Lord Jesus Christ in order to deal with such events in our own lives
("My power is made perfect in weakness..."), whether it be being
taunted or harassed, or if we lost a loved one to someone overcome
with anger toward those that did such things.

From what I understand from his videos (I did not see them, only
transcripts of pieces from it), one of the things he was angry about
was people that harassed him Monday-Saturday and then went to church
the next Sunday. There are lots of people like that, unfortunatly.

Elizabeth

P.S. Sorry to hear about your accident, Damo.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:23:52 GMT, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
<gospam@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.

My feeling is this guy wasn't 'mentally ill' to begin with. Although
it certainly seems like he got far away from 'consensus reality' in
the end to say the least. A psychiatric diagnosis is elusive but
I think this guy's biggest problem was based largely on his speech
impediment. He didn't need a 'therapist' he needed a *speech
therapist* early on. He was very self-conscious about his speech
problem combined with his accent and was increasingly more and more
angry that people he was smarter than were treating him, all his life,
like a complete dumbass. Apparently he had enough smarts to get into
Virginia Tech and so on. But his problems speaking and expressing
himself I think was key.

The whole presskit he sent to NBC kind of confirms his need for a
'voice'. And of course the fact the the ME-dia likes to pick up and
broadcast these sorts of things to everybody sort of led him along
that path. There have been people like this all throughout history.
Angry loners with little opportunity for expression harboring
resentment. But only comparatively recently that they get on the cover
of all the news magazines and are the top stories of the news, when
they go completely apeshit.

Sad.

Phin

I've spent much of my life in a state of fear and worry only to find out
that things would get much better later. If I had known about this, I never
would have been so miserable back then. Suicide is often a permanent
solution for a temporary problem. Take heart, beleive me.

"Phin" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:23:52 GMT, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
> <gospam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>
> My feeling is this guy wasn't 'mentally ill' to begin with. Although
> it certainly seems like he got far away from 'consensus reality' in
> the end to say the least. A psychiatric diagnosis is elusive but
> I think this guy's biggest problem was based largely on his speech
> impediment. He didn't need a 'therapist' he needed a *speech
> therapist* early on. He was very self-conscious about his speech
> problem combined with his accent and was increasingly more and more
> angry that people he was smarter than were treating him, all his life,
> like a complete dumbass. Apparently he had enough smarts to get into
> Virginia Tech and so on. But his problems speaking and expressing
> himself I think was key.
>
> The whole presskit he sent to NBC kind of confirms his need for a
> 'voice'. And of course the fact the the ME-dia likes to pick up and
> broadcast these sorts of things to everybody sort of led him along
> that path. There have been people like this all throughout history.
> Angry loners with little opportunity for expression harboring
> resentment. But only comparatively recently that they get on the cover
> of all the news magazines and are the top stories of the news, when
> they go completely apeshit.
>
> Sad.
>
> Phin
>

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On Apr 21, 3:23 pm, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
<gos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.


He never looked anyone in the eye, even when he was a child.
He hardly spoke to anyone, even his parents. People avoided him.
Diagnosis:Paranoid Schizophrenia

Roky

On 22 Apr 2007 20:26:49 -0700, roky <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
>On Apr 21, 3:23 pm, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
><gos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>
>
>He never looked anyone in the eye, even when he was a child.
>He hardly spoke to anyone, even his parents. People avoided him.
>Diagnosis:Paranoid Schizophrenia
>
>Roky

Then I don't know.

"Miguel Lahunkun" <gellie418@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:15050-462B3A1A-886@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net...
> For the first time, the media didn't come out and call Cho a
> "psychotic paranoid schizophrenic", like THEY always did. It was found
> that Cho had a past mental health record, but still, THEY didn't call
> him a schizophrenic. I tend to think it was the anti-establishment
> campaign of us schizophrenics in Alchemy 61 that has taught THEM some
> lessons. Also, TV shows like "Criminal Minds" have been leaving us
> schizophrenics alone, recently.
> There hasn't been much information about Cho's mental health
> record. I and everybody I know don't know what Cho's mental health
> record was for, or what drugs he was on. We wasted much valuable time
> trying to find out. Before, the first thing you heard was "psychotic
> paranoid schizophrenic". You didn't have to pay attention; it just
> blared out on all radios. If you were walking through a supermarket
> you'd hear it bellowing out of the intercom. But, with Cho, after days
> of searching and waiting we haven't heard anything meaningful about
> Cho's mental health record. It's like we now have a chip on our sholder
> from decades of abuse, "Go on, knock it off, I dare you!"; but, it seems
> THEY have learnt THEIR lesson. How did we do it? Probably by spreading
> THEIR secrets. THEY found THEY can't afford to make enemies. THEY think
> we're going to stop? Now, not unless we're financially comfortable for
> life.

Life with a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia is better in the UK

Benefits of around £260 p/w and free prescriptions make life easy for us

You lot in the States should get the same, I reckon

-- kez

"Phin" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> On 22 Apr 2007 20:26:49 -0700, roky <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>>On Apr 21, 3:23 pm, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
>><gos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>>
>>
>>He never looked anyone in the eye, even when he was a child.
>>He hardly spoke to anyone, even his parents. People avoided him.
>>Diagnosis:Paranoid Schizophrenia
>>
>>Roky
>
> Then I don't know.

I it possible to be unsure of a diagnosis,
It is possible to be given a diagnosis and be unsure it means anything, also

-- kez

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:32:18 +0100, "...kez"
<kelseyl@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Phin" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:bamo23t6q0uvcg62s8lg0ehav4c2tpukmj@4ax.com.. .
>> On 22 Apr 2007 20:26:49 -0700, roky <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>On Apr 21, 3:23 pm, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
>>><gos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>>>
>>>
>>>He never looked anyone in the eye, even when he was a child.
>>>He hardly spoke to anyone, even his parents. People avoided him.
>>>Diagnosis:Paranoid Schizophrenia
>>>
>>>Roky
>>
>> Then I don't know.
>
>I it possible to be unsure of a diagnosis,
>It is possible to be given a diagnosis and be unsure it means anything, also
>
>-- kez
>

It is a delicious prospect for us to really know what is going on with
us or anyone. But it is something we will never taste. It is both
intriguing and maddening, this pursuit. Like trying to to taste our
own tongue, or trying to touch the tip of our finger with that same
finger. We are each trapped within the subjectivity of our own
reality... if we choose to look at it that way.

"Phin" <someone@somewhere.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
07rn239e2d3v8bep9pi4p8uqkd8vmkar0g@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:23:52 GMT, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
> <gospam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>
> My feeling is this guy wasn't 'mentally ill' to begin with. Although
> it certainly seems like he got far away from 'consensus reality' in
> the end to say the least. A psychiatric diagnosis is elusive but
> I think this guy's biggest problem was based largely on his speech
> impediment. He didn't need a 'therapist' he needed a *speech
> therapist* early on. He was very self-conscious about his speech
> problem combined with his accent and was increasingly more and more
> angry that people he was smarter than were treating him, all his life,
> like a complete dumbass. Apparently he had enough smarts to get into
> Virginia Tech and so on. But his problems speaking and expressing
> himself I think was key.
>
> The whole presskit he sent to NBC kind of confirms his need for a
> 'voice'. And of course the fact the the ME-dia likes to pick up and
> broadcast these sorts of things to everybody sort of led him along
> that path. There have been people like this all throughout history.
> Angry loners with little opportunity for expression harboring
> resentment. But only comparatively recently that they get on the cover
> of all the news magazines and are the top stories of the news, when
> they go completely apeshit.
>
> Sad.
>
> Phin

I agree. He needed a speech therapist and possibly an understanding
psychologist and expecially a teacher who wouldn't force him to speak and
then let the whole class laugh at him.
Katie

That is a good article, thanks for the link. Cho seems to have had social
phobia, but that doesn't mean anything. Lots of people have it and don't go
on a shooting rampage. I'd look at what meds he was taking.

Mainstream will probably use this as even more proof that we have to drug
everybody in America and make Big Pharma even richer! And why not give guns
to all teachers and students so they can all defend themselves?
Katie

"lizzy2" <lizzy2_NO_@_SPAM_freeshell.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
871wicqfzy.fsf@localhost.localdomain.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me...
> This is a good article on it:
>
> http://www.alternet.org/story/50758/
>
> and the author points out that he was bullied and harassed and that
> that played a role in the events of last Monday.
>
> However, his behavior was odd even before this (e.g. stalking) so
> it was probably a combination of things to which the bullying did not
> help.
>
> I find his self-characterization of being a martyr as horribly
> twisted; martyrs don't kill themselves (and they don't go on shooting
> sprees, either). My understanding of a martyr is one that lives in
> peace and joy; other's jealousy causes them to harass and bully the
> individual and, since that doesn't stop them, they end up killing
> them.
>
> As for paranoid schizophrenia, from what I could tell, he didn't
> seem to exhibit too much of that behavior outside of the general
> persecution complex but, guess what, he was being bullied hence he
> should have felt persecuted. But he went the way of the world in
> handling that.
>
> It is necessary for draw inspiration, energy, power, etc. from the
> Lord Jesus Christ in order to deal with such events in our own lives
> ("My power is made perfect in weakness..."), whether it be being
> taunted or harassed, or if we lost a loved one to someone overcome
> with anger toward those that did such things.
>
> From what I understand from his videos (I did not see them, only
> transcripts of pieces from it), one of the things he was angry about
> was people that harassed him Monday-Saturday and then went to church
> the next Sunday. There are lots of people like that, unfortunatly.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> P.S. Sorry to hear about your accident, Damo.

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On Apr 21, 3:23 pm, "W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com"
<gos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Your thoughts, ideas, theories, notions, beliefs etc, please.
>
> --
> William K. Mahler,http://www.mahlers.com
> Singer - Songwriter - Photographer - Webmaster
> Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: mahlerscom
> reply: mahlers dot com at mahlers dot com

It would be interesting to know if he had any mercury fillings and if
he ate tunafish.

Roky

There was a guy who drank four ounces of mercury in an attempt to
commit suicide. He washed it down with a half pint of antifreeze,
ethylene glycol. The ethylene glycol did nothing because he is Native
Ameircan and Native Americans usually lack enzymes to change alcohol
into sugar. These same enzymes change ethylene glycol into oxalic acid,
which destroys the kidneys. Also some Mexicans swallow pure mercury for
their bowels. It tends to go right through you. But theoretically, if it
touched Vitamin B12 it would be transformed into poisonous mercury
chloride. It's certain compounds of mercury that are very dangerous.
This guy knew that if just a little mercury got into the arrising
reticular formation of his medulla oblongata it would be all over. But,
perhaps mercury doesn't pass the blood/brain barrier. He's live and well
and he has no gripe against anyone.