The Cure For Schizophrenia

When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
parables. So it did not help either.

I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:

On Parables by Franz Kafka

Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
and
of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
merely
that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
different matter.

Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
that rid of your daily cares.

Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
The first said: You have won.
The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost


So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
not a parable.
It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.

I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
about it.

Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
believe anything people tell you to believe.
As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."

To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
comfortable place and they want to get out.

If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
you you can.
But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
that?

Roky

On 2 apr, 18:30, "roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
> read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
> books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
> Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
> parables. So it did not help either.
>
> I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
> incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:
>
> On Parables by Franz Kafka
>
> Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
> and
> of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
> says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
> which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
> it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
> cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
> here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
> merely
> that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
> already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
> different matter.
>
> Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
> followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
> that rid of your daily cares.
>
> Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
> The first said: You have won.
> The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
> The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost
>
> So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
> not a parable.
> It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
> But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
> Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
> with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
> The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
> the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.
>
> I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
> philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
> about it.
>
> Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
> believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
> believe anything people tell you to believe.
> As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."
>
> To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
> that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
> has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
> talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
> Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
> little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
> have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
> comfortable place and they want to get out.
>
> If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
> you you can.
> But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
> that?
>
> Roky

While on meds I am pretty normal and I do not mind so much
I have schizophrenia. A psychosis however is pretty nasty and
there is no map how to leave it, only meds help.

Berty

On 2 Apr, 17:30, "roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
> read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
> books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
> Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
> parables. So it did not help either.
>
> I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
> incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:
>
> On Parables by Franz Kafka
>
> Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
> and
> of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
> says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
> which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
> it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
> cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
> here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
> merely
> that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
> already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
> different matter.
>
> Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
> followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
> that rid of your daily cares.
>
> Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
> The first said: You have won.
> The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
> The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost
>
> So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
> not a parable.
> It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
> But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
> Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
> with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
> The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
> the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.
>
> I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
> philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
> about it.
>
> Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
> believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
> believe anything people tell you to believe.
> As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."
>
> To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
> that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
> has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
> talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
> Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
> little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
> have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
> comfortable place and they want to get out.
>
> If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
> you you can.
> But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
> that?
>
> Roky

YES

> Roky
>
> While on meds I am pretty normal and I do not mind so much
> I have schizophrenia. A psychosis however is pretty nasty and
> there is no map how to leave it, only meds help.
>
> Berty
>

That´s not true. The first time i had a psychosis i had a girlfriend which
whom i talked about all my problems and the psychosis went away without
meds!

On 3 apr, 13:21, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Roky
>
> > While on meds I am pretty normal and I do not mind so much
> > I have schizophrenia. A psychosis however is pretty nasty and
> > there is no map how to leave it, only meds help.
>
> > Berty
>
> That´s not true. The first time i had a psychosis i had a girlfriend which
> whom i talked about all my problems and the psychosis went away without
> meds!

That is rare. But good to hear you had such good support.

Berty

IMHO: SZ/SZA is a physical disease of the brain. Your post is like
discussing writing a book, where the pages may be mixed up, torn, or
missing. -and then there are the extra pages!

"roky" <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175531457.563440.179910@d57g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
> read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
> books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
> Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
> parables. So it did not help either.
>
> I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
> incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:
>
> On Parables by Franz Kafka
>
> Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
> and
> of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
> says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
> which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
> it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
> cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
> here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
> merely
> that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
> already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
> different matter.
>
> Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
> followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
> that rid of your daily cares.
>
> Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
> The first said: You have won.
> The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
> The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost
>
>
> So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
> not a parable.
> It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
> But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
> Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
> with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
> The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
> the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.
>
> I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
> philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
> about it.
>
> Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
> believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
> believe anything people tell you to believe.
> As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."
>
> To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
> that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
> has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
> talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
> Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
> little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
> have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
> comfortable place and they want to get out.
>
> If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
> you you can.
> But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
> that?
>
> Roky
>

Damn straight....

Those extra pages are the worst.

Hi QN. How are you doing these days?

jerasmus



"Quiet Neighbor" <private@spamless.net> wrote in message
news:qNEQh.24404$uo3.15025@newssvr14.news.prodigy. net...
> IMHO: SZ/SZA is a physical disease of the brain. Your post is like
> discussing writing a book, where the pages may be mixed up, torn, or
> missing. -and then there are the extra pages!
>
> "roky" <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1175531457.563440.179910@d57g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
>> read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
>> books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
>> Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
>> parables. So it did not help either.
>>
>> I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
>> incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:
>>
>> On Parables by Franz Kafka
>>
>> Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
>> and
>> of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
>> says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
>> which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
>> it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
>> cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
>> here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
>> merely
>> that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
>> already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
>> different matter.
>>
>> Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
>> followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
>> that rid of your daily cares.
>>
>> Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
>> The first said: You have won.
>> The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
>> The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost
>>
>>
>> So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
>> not a parable.
>> It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
>> But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
>> Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
>> with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
>> The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
>> the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.
>>
>> I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
>> philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
>> about it.
>>
>> Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
>> believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
>> believe anything people tell you to believe.
>> As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."
>>
>> To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
>> that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
>> has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
>> talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
>> Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
>> little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
>> have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
>> comfortable place and they want to get out.
>>
>> If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
>> you you can.
>> But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
>> that?
>>
>> Roky
>>
>
>

The disease of the brain aspect of it is just one manifestation of it.
The brain is a lump of meat the size of a grapefruit. There's more to
it than that.

Phin

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:17:42 GMT, "Quiet Neighbor"
<private@spamless.net> wrote:

>IMHO: SZ/SZA is a physical disease of the brain. Your post is like
>discussing writing a book, where the pages may be mixed up, torn, or
>missing. -and then there are the extra pages!
>
>"roky" <rokybird@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1175531457.563440.179910@d57g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> When I was about 15 I found out I was schizophrenic. So I began to
>> read everything I could about the mind. I read all the psychology
>> books. They did not help. I read the religious books. I read the New
>> Testament. It was interesting but it was written in incomprehensible
>> parables. So it did not help either.
>>
>> I read the teachings of the Hindus and Buddha. But they were also
>> incomprehensible too. I read Kafka and this is what he said:
>>
>> On Parables by Franz Kafka
>>
>> Many complain that the words of the wise are always merely parables
>> and
>> of no use in daily life,which is the only life we have.When the Sage
>> says: "Go over."he does not mean we should cross to some actual place,
>> which we could do anyhow if the labor were worth
>> it;he means some fabulous yonder,something unknown to us,something he
>> cannot designate more precisely either, and therefore cannot help us
>> here in the very least. All these parables really set out to say
>> merely
>> that the incomprehensible is incomprehensible and we know that
>> already. But the cares we have to struggle with every day: that is a
>> different matter.
>>
>> Concerning this a man once said: Why such reluctance? If you only
>> followed the parables you yourselves would become parables and with
>> that rid of your daily cares.
>>
>> Another said:I bet that is also a parable.
>> The first said: You have won.
>> The second said:But unfortunately only in parable.
>> The first said: No, in reality: in parable you have lost
>>
>>
>> So what I am saying is that there is an answer in reality but it is
>> not a parable.
>> It is a simple explanation of what the disease of schizophrenia is.
>> But for many reasons many people are not interested in the answer.
>> Particularly the medical establishment. And essentially all people
>> with this disease have been influenced by the medical establishment.
>> The medical establishment does not have a cure and they will not like
>> the idea of a cure. They will deny what they do not understand.
>>
>> I will mention that Dr. Louis Sass has said that schizophrenia is a
>> philosophical disorder. He has gotten a little bit close to what its
>> about it.
>>
>> Let me explain that by my definition religion is everything you
>> believe about the nature of reality. It is not reality. You can
>> believe anything people tell you to believe.
>> As John Lilly,MD. said,"All belief is a form of limitation."
>>
>> To understand schizophrenia is to begin to understand reality. I call
>> that spirituality or the feeling or intuition of ones existence. It
>> has absolutely nothing to do with believing in anything. So what I am
>> talking about is ones perception of feeling in the present moment.
>> Most people dont want to understand reality. They are content in the
>> little stale room they call their mind. The schizophrenic does not
>> have that luxury. The room or mind they find themselves in is not a
>> comfortable place and they want to get out.
>>
>> If there is anyone here who wants to get out of schizophrenia I tell
>> you you can.
>> But is there anyone here brave enough and of free enough spirit to do
>> that?
>>
>> Roky
>>
>

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:49:44 +0000, Phin wrote:

> The disease of the brain aspect of it is just one manifestation of it.
> The brain is a lump of meat the size of a grapefruit. There's more to
> it than that.

I read that in our brains that there are more connections between
braincells then that there are stars in the universe. So that's quite a
few, if not to say, very many.
The psychiatrist I met when I had my first psychosis explained it as one
hormone or substance being made too much in some place of the brain, and
that medicine could normalize that again. I guess he liked to explain
things simple and understandable
And yes, than thats' just one aspect of schizofrenia.

There's just so much for each explanation. And with every person the
situation is different. What works for one person for sure doesn't work
for everyone.
I for sure need my meds, there's no life without them.

Greetings,
Marcel

That is rare. But good to hear you had such good support.

Berty

Hey Berty,
don´t leave the group, we need you.

That is rare. But good to hear you had such good support.

Berty

Hey Berty,
don´t leave the group, we need you.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:18:44 +0000 (UTC), marcel <mpol@fakeaddress.org>
wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:49:44 +0000, Phin wrote:
>
>
>I read that in our brains that there are more connections between
>braincells then that there are stars in the universe. So that's quite a
>few, if not to say, very many.
>The psychiatrist I met when I had my first psychosis explained it as one
>hormone or substance being made too much in some place of the brain, and
>that medicine could normalize that again. I guess he liked to explain
>things simple and understandable
>And yes, than thats' just one aspect of schizofrenia.
>

They're not simple and understandable and it is one aspect or
manifestation of it. One could say it is too much of a hormone or
substance in the brain... but... what caused the too much hormone or
substance in the brain, and then what caused that cause and then what
caused that?

Eventually along that line of reasoning, you encounter God or
something.

Phin

On 4 apr, 14:51, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> That is rare. But good to hear you had such good support.
>
> Berty
>
> Hey Berty,
> don´t leave the group, we need you.

When I was a little mixed up because of lack of sleep
I said that I would leave the group, but now that I feel better
again I feel not so much like leaving, glad to see you back
rainbowguardian.

Berty

"Adamski_Rasputin" <adamskirasputin@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On 4 apr, 14:51, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> That is rare. But good to hear you had such good support.
>
> Berty
>
> Hey Berty,
> don´t leave the group, we need you.

When I was a little mixed up because of lack of sleep
I said that I would leave the group, but now that I feel better
again I feel not so much like leaving, glad to see you back
rainbowguardian.

Berty

When I was a little mixed up because of lack of sleep
I said that I would leave the group, but now that I feel better
again I feel not so much like leaving, glad to see you back
rainbowguardian.

Berty

Thank you Berty, i was on hollidays for a week.

On 5 apr, 19:06, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> When I was a little mixed up because of lack of sleep
> I said that I would leave the group, but now that I feel better
> again I feel not so much like leaving, glad to see you back
> rainbowguardian.
>
> Berty
>
> Thank you Berty, i was on hollidays for a week.

Did you have a good holiday? Were have you been?
A far away country? It is now 3 years since I had a holiday.
Also this year I need the holidaymoney for other stuff than
a holiday. Maybe next year again...

Berty

> Did you have a good holiday? Were have you been?
> A far away country? It is now 3 years since I had a holiday.
> Also this year I need the holidaymoney for other stuff than
> a holiday. Maybe next year again...
>
> Berty
>

Yes i had a good holliday, i was visiting my relatives in Croatia with my
mom.
If there wasn´t my mom i couldn´t afford to go on hollidays.

On 7 apr, 19:09, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Did you have a good holiday? Were have you been?
> > A far away country? It is now 3 years since I had a holiday.
> > Also this year I need the holidaymoney for other stuff than
> > a holiday. Maybe next year again...
>
> > Berty
>
> Yes i had a good holliday, i was visiting my relatives in Croatia with my
> mom.
> If there wasn´t my mom i couldn´t afford to go on hollidays.

Kroatia is a nice looking country. I once visited yougoslavia in the
past
and have good memories from that holliday, by then I was still working
and had enough money to go on holidays.

Kroatia is a nice looking country. I once visited yougoslavia in the
past
and have good memories from that holliday, by then I was still working
and had enough money to go on holidays.

Yes Croatia is very nice, not so much bad vibrations like in germany.
I want to start working again, and if i get my old-age pension i will
probably live in Croatia.