Depression: Out of the Shadows

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...ows_2008-05-21

Interesting program -

I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I live in a world of
distraction. One thing I did find out was that they were modifying
the way glutamate behaves to conquer depression. Also some patients
were given pace makers to stimulate a part of the brain that creates
dark thought.

They were using brain scans for alot to find cures. QN, you would be
most pleased.

"Erik the Red" <spock_smokes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...ows_2008-05-21
>
> Interesting program -
>
> I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I live in a world of
> distraction. One thing I did find out was that they were modifying
> the way glutamate behaves to conquer depression. Also some patients
> were given pace makers to stimulate a part of the brain that creates
> dark thought.
>
> They were using brain scans for alot to find cures. QN, you would be
> most pleased.

The incidence of depression caused by a diseased brain is grossly
exaggerated. I know a number of depressed people and they all have a
combination of economic, social, and personal problems. For example, one guy
lives in abject poverty and just broke up with a woman he still loves. I
tell him that his depression is a perfectly healthy response to a s***ty
life situation. And in many cases that's true. The solution is to help those
people solve the problems contributing to their depression and not to feed
them the legal equivalent of bongs.

Yes, there are people who are depressed for neurochemical reasons, but
medical depression is being overdiagnosed so the drug companies can make
money selling pills.

The Bibble Guy
"Be a fruit and divide." - The Bibble

On May 22, 12:44 am, "The Bibble Guy" <the_bibble_...@befruity.com>
wrote:
> "Erik the Red" <spock_smo...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c3cdedd9-b242-4599-a6fb-d103e41857d1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...ml?campaign=pb...
>
> > Interesting program -
>
> > I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I live in a world of
> > distraction. One thing I did find out was that they were modifying
> > the way glutamate behaves to conquer depression. Also some patients
> > were given pace makers to stimulate a part of the brain that creates
> > dark thought.
>
> > They were using brain scans for alot to find cures. QN, you would be
> > most pleased.
>
> The incidence of depression caused by a diseased brain is grossly
> exaggerated. I know a number of depressed people and they all have a
> combination of economic, social, and personal problems. For example, one guy
> lives in abject poverty and just broke up with a woman he still loves. I
> tell him that his depression is a perfectly healthy response to a s***ty
> life situation. And in many cases that's true. The solution is to help those
> people solve the problems contributing to their depression and not to feed
> them the legal equivalent of bongs.
>
> Yes, there are people who are depressed for neurochemical reasons, but
> medical depression is being overdiagnosed so the drug companies can make
> money selling pills.
>
> The Bibble Guy
> "Be a fruit and divide." - The Bibble



I believe that a lot of people get depressed in the first place for
real life reasons, but the problem is that it somehow sticks around
even when those problems have been resolved. That has been the case
with me, I have had depression for most of my life now. I have had all
kinds of terrible things happen in my life, and I believed a lot of
the time that it wasn't really a chemical problem, and if those things
were fixed I would be better... the problem was, they didn't get
better... I now tend to believe that really is the definition of real
depression, when it sticks around for no good reason... all those
shitty things piliing up somehow alter the way the brain works.

Of course, in these days when all the theories about the brain are
just theories, this is just my theory.

"Gelly" <Gelly.D@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 22, 12:44 am, "The Bibble Guy" <the_bibble_...@befruity.com>
> wrote:
>> "Erik the Red" <spock_smo...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:c3cdedd9-b242-4599-a6fb-d103e41857d1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...ml?campaign=pb...
>>
>> > Interesting program -
>>
>> > I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I live in a world of
>> > distraction. One thing I did find out was that they were modifying
>> > the way glutamate behaves to conquer depression. Also some patients
>> > were given pace makers to stimulate a part of the brain that creates
>> > dark thought.
>>
>> > They were using brain scans for alot to find cures. QN, you would be
>> > most pleased.
>>
>> The incidence of depression caused by a diseased brain is grossly
>> exaggerated. I know a number of depressed people and they all have a
>> combination of economic, social, and personal problems. For example, one
>> guy
>> lives in abject poverty and just broke up with a woman he still loves. I
>> tell him that his depression is a perfectly healthy response to a s***ty
>> life situation. And in many cases that's true. The solution is to help
>> those
>> people solve the problems contributing to their depression and not to
>> feed
>> them the legal equivalent of bongs.
>>
>> Yes, there are people who are depressed for neurochemical reasons, but
>> medical depression is being overdiagnosed so the drug companies can make
>> money selling pills.
>>
>> The Bibble Guy
>> "Be a fruit and divide." - The Bibble
>
>
>
> I believe that a lot of people get depressed in the first place for
> real life reasons, but the problem is that it somehow sticks around
> even when those problems have been resolved. That has been the case
> with me, I have had depression for most of my life now. I have had all
> kinds of terrible things happen in my life, and I believed a lot of
> the time that it wasn't really a chemical problem, and if those things
> were fixed I would be better... the problem was, they didn't get
> better... I now tend to believe that really is the definition of real
> depression, when it sticks around for no good reason... all those
> shitty things piliing up somehow alter the way the brain works.
>
> Of course, in these days when all the theories about the brain are
> just theories, this is just my theory.

If a problem makes itself feel unsolvable, and then gets solved, there is a
gap of time during which the brain acts as if the problem were still
unsolvable.

And there is a difference between chemical depression and learned
helplessness. The latter is not a dark mood but very close to Buddhism.
Because of drug company pressures this difference isn't recognized by
doctors.

The Bibble Guy
"Be a fruit and divide." - The Bibble

"Erik the Red" <spock_smokes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c3cdedd9-b242-4599-a6fb-d103e41857d1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...ows_2008-05-21
>
> Interesting program -
>
> I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I live in a world of
> distraction. One thing I did find out was that they were modifying
> the way glutamate behaves to conquer depression. Also some patients
> were given pace makers to stimulate a part of the brain that creates
> dark thought.
>
> They were using brain scans for alot to find cures. QN, you would be
> most pleased.

There is a re-broadcast tonight at 3AM, so I will record it.

Thanks,

QN

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...&bandwidth=_hi

There's a better link for this, buttttt....
YOu can stream it now if you'd like.

"Erik the Red" <spock_smokes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/...&bandwidth=_hi
>
> There's a better link for this, buttttt....
> YOu can stream it now if you'd like.

Watching the beginning now. The guy gave a list of his meds. He said
something like rimentidine was for weight control for Zyprexa. I'm not sure
how to spell the drug, or even exactly what it sounded like.

They misspelled it in the transcript, too. My doc offered me topomax,
but it didn't help me any. I wonder if that guys doc gave him
Rimantadine? It's for influenza.
I will email pbs and try to find out what that guy was taking.

Poppycock. There's no magic pill to help one lose weight. Just
getting off zyprexa I could lose over 100lbs.

Illoperidone info was out on schizoprenia.com but now the site is
having issues. I wonder how close it is for approval.

Yeah. My p-doc around 1999 gave me topamax in an effort to control
med-induce weight gain. It didn't work. I think there was a side effect
too, but I can't remember what it was.

That guy in the documentary was taking too many meds to be sensible. The
more prescriptions one takes the more unique the effect. It is likely that
the combined interactions of 4+ meds is probably simply not known. The math
makes it dangerous.

Hmmm. I'm taking 3 daily prescriptions.

A year ago, or so, it was in the news, that they thought neuroleptics might
cause weight gain because of their unintended effect on histamine.

I would be curious if weight inducing meds cause an insulin release. I'll
bet the researchers didn't check on that.

Fats and sugars increase dopamine. I think my body is starving for
the dopamine more than the fats and sugars. I wonder if a pill of
dopamine would keep me from eating so much.

Rimantadine is the drug I believe he was taking to counteract the
hunger assc with zyprexa and remeron. I don't see my pdoc for 3
months. Shoot.
My mother looked it up in a med book and said that it releases more
dopamine from the neurons. That must be the key. Other than that it
is supposed to help one from getting influena a.
My doc isn't very experimental with things. I hope she will do a
little research on rimantadine.

On May 23, 3:16*pm, Erik the Red <spock_smo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Fats and sugars increase dopamine. *I think my body is starving for
> the dopamine more than the fats and sugars. *I wonder if a pill of
> dopamine would keep me from eating so much.
But such drugs as Zyprexa are dopamine blockers...maybe I need more
sugar infested foods so I can get diabetes and even more fat!!!

From your pics on myspace, you're not as round as I am. Ofcourse I
think your a few inches taller than I.

On May 23, 6:36*pm, Erik the Red <spock_smo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From your pics on myspace, you're not as round as I am. *Ofcourse I
> think your a few inches taller than I.

my regular doctor (not pdoc), told me I needed to lose 40 lbs, so I
bought an excercise bike.

My pdoc told me I needed to start getting active. I have a bottle of
ginseng and a cpap machine. I've already started getting more done
around the house. Once I stop pulling the cpap mask off in the middle
of the night, I'll have even more energy.