First-rank symptoms

The psychiatrist Kurt Schneider listed psychotic symptoms that he
thought
distinguished sz from other psychotic disorders

- delusions of being controlled by an external force
- belief that thoughts are being inserted into or withdrawn from one's
conscious mind
- the belief that one's thoughts are being broadcast to other people
- hearing voices that comment on one's thoughts or actions
- conversations between voices in your head


see Schneiderian classification on Wikipedia

On Jul 25, 4:35 pm, Adamski_Rasputin <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> The psychiatrist Kurt Schneider listed psychotic symptoms that he
> thought
> distinguished sz from other psychotic disorders
>
> - delusions of being controlled by an external force
> - belief that thoughts are being inserted into or withdrawn from one's
> conscious mind
> - the belief that one's thoughts are being broadcast to other people
> - hearing voices that comment on one's thoughts or actions
> - conversations between voices in your head
>
> see Schneiderian classification on Wikipedia

I have some ideas on how the normal brain and schizophrenia might
work.

Evolution has a way of reusing structures. There are a lot of
different tasks the brain has to carry out. There's "you", yourself,
and then there must be another part of the brain that creates a model
for "you" to observe. There's probably another part of the brain for
social reasoning that creates a model of other people for "you" to
observe. And maybe others.

Maybe the brain has a simple repetitive structure for the different
parts, and they are all just like "you", but the "selfhood" of most of
them is suppressed, so that only one of them thinks it is "you".

Then when there are defects or overactive neurons or something, the
other "tasks" running on your "computer" start regaining some of their
suppressed self-hood, that gives the weird symptoms people get.
Sometimes it's MPD, sometimes it's Sz, depending on how much "self-
hood" they have or which ones.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:26:17 -0700 (PDT), in alt.support.schizophrenia Pies de
Arcilla <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 25, 4:35 pm, Adamski_Rasputin <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> The psychiatrist Kurt Schneider listed psychotic symptoms that he
>> thought
>> distinguished sz from other psychotic disorders
>>
>> - delusions of being controlled by an external force
>> - belief that thoughts are being inserted into or withdrawn from one's
>> conscious mind
>> - the belief that one's thoughts are being broadcast to other people
>> - hearing voices that comment on one's thoughts or actions
>> - conversations between voices in your head
>>
>> see Schneiderian classification on Wikipedia
>
>I have some ideas on how the normal brain and schizophrenia might
>work.
>
>Evolution has a way of reusing structures. There are a lot of
>different tasks the brain has to carry out. There's "you", yourself,
>and then there must be another part of the brain that creates a model
>for "you" to observe. There's probably another part of the brain for
>social reasoning that creates a model of other people for "you" to
>observe. And maybe others.
>
>Maybe the brain has a simple repetitive structure for the different
>parts, and they are all just like "you", but the "selfhood" of most of
>them is suppressed, so that only one of them thinks it is "you".
>
>Then when there are defects or overactive neurons or something, the
>other "tasks" running on your "computer" start regaining some of their
>suppressed self-hood, that gives the weird symptoms people get.
>Sometimes it's MPD, sometimes it's Sz, depending on how much "self-
>hood" they have or which ones.


No one has a clue what changed may or may not be in the brain of a person who
has been diagnosed with a mental illness. If they did we would all be seeing
neurologists instead of psychiatrists.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:35:57 -0700 (PDT), in alt.support.schizophrenia
Adamski_Rasputin <adamskirasputin@yahoo.com> wrote:

>- delusions of being controlled by an external force


Yeah that (and some other things) is what got me changed from mandic depressive
psychosis to schizoaffective pychosis.. I thought the voices were making me
twitch.