I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA

Hello:

I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
" no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
if that happens?

Military does things it's own way. Ofcourse I've never watched JAG,
but I know they have separate courts.

<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello:
>
> I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> if that happens?
>

I was discharged from the Navy through the medical board procedure due to
schizophrenia. My brother who is currently in the Air Force also went
through a medical board for sleep apnea. He disputed the medical board and
won. He's still serving to this day.

If you ever find yourself going through a medical board, you have the right
to challenge it. During this time, you can submit your private doc's eval as
evidence that you're still fit for duty.

If the VA diagnoses you undifferentated schizophrenic you should
be able to get 100% disabilty compensation for the rest of your life,
except, since 1994, any gainful employment detected from the IRS and you
are first lowered to 90% which is half the money. Also if you make
$40,000 a year or more, anyway what so ever, you are lowered. This
evaluation includes your VA compensation, Social Security and the value
of your Medicare. So it doesn't even pay to have much bank interest.
Also for the first 20 years after the 100% disability ruling you have to
do everything the VA says: medication, vocational training, attempts at
employment, etc. But, after having kept 100% status for over 20 years
federal law says the 100% is yours for life, if you don't work or go
over the income limit.
Back before 1994 it was fantastic. For example, Governor Wallace
kept his 100% disability status even though he was governor and made a
fortune on investments. But, those days are over. My cousin attained the
100% for over 20 years, and he values the benefits so much that he
refuses to work. But they'd soon be returning him to 100% even if he
tried to work again, for, he really screws up. He was desperately trying
to escape the schizophrenic stigma before we "joined the monster club".
He say's fear is respect. And, he couldn't stand the smirking contempt
for us before public fear brought us at least some kind of respect. But,
no matter how hard he tried to keep employment he always screwed up and
got fired before two weeks, every time. After decades of heavy
alcoholism and over a dozen brain damaging suicide attempts he isn't any
better. Superficially, he seems to have a high intelligence. His IQ was
164 when he was 9. But today the intelligence he expresses is just a
Maginot Line, useless. Hey Al I got other cousins, it might not be you.

There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being evaluated
in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you are on
illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and one
might squirm out of a diagnosis.


<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello:
>
> I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> if that happens?
>

In other words the 100% disablity compensation is GRANDFATHERED.
Grandfathering is threatened today. To violate this Constitutionaly
guaranteed right, guaranteed by the Constitutional ban against ex post
facto laws, legislation would have to be applied ex post facto. The
Constitution has already been violated this way, and it has stood for
over a decade uncured: the enforcement of the Megan Law ex post facto is
un-Constitutional. Kids who got caught masturbating in '50's
Massachsetts have been put on the sex offenders' lists. The lists
themselves are violations of the Constitutional ban against bills of
attainder.The listing of anyone on a sex offenders' list constitutes a
bill of attainder. Those with masturbation charges associated with
sexual asphyxia were put on violent offeder lists, and are not allowed
to live a quarter mile from any school or playground. Many lost their
homes and their addresses are now their homeless shelters.
I'd say, VA disability compensations are in big trouble. Bitches
say, "What are we going to do with them?" You can almost hear me trying
to immitate a bitche high voice. If you don't want them, EUTHANIZE them.
Execution is Constitutional and Biblical, And,that's the last word.

Does the National Guard allow schizophrenics? What's your perpective? Did you
want a clean bill of health? If you served in Iraq, you may well have come down
with a severe mental illness (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). If you served in
New Orleans, it will probably be a less severe form of mental illness. If you
are deaf in one ear, blame your drill sergeant or your firearms, or your
unwashed bedding at bedtime (ear infection).

<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Hello:
|
| I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
| practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
| " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
| may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
| if that happens?
|

Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being evaluated
> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you are on
> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and one
> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
>
>
> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hello:
> >
> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> > if that happens?
> >

I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:

1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
while in Iraq).

2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
family.

3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.

I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
that was happening to me.

Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.

I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.

Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).

PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
much we can do about it.

Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
> Does the National Guard allow schizophrenics? What's your perpective? Did you
> want a clean bill of health? If you served in Iraq, you may well have come down
> with a severe mental illness (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). If you served in
> New Orleans, it will probably be a less severe form of mental illness. If you
> are deaf in one ear, blame your drill sergeant or your firearms, or your
> unwashed bedding at bedtime (ear infection).
>
> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> | Hello:
> |
> | I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> | practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> | " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> | may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> | if that happens?
> |

1) I did not know the VA was labeling me as a schizo when I joined the
Guard

2) I never saw combat in Iraq, no one threatened my life, I was in the
rear with the gear. However, my SGT tried to systematically destroy my
self respect.

3) As for people telling me to use this to milk the system, I do not do
this crap. And I do not want to play schizo which I would have to do if
I did. I want to do things with my life. FUCK THE VA. Make sure the t
is burning.

Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your reference
to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase, and it
implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
observation....

Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head examined."

I guess you could say the same about psychologists.

Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never mentioned
them to him.

Good luck.


<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
>> evaluated
>> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you are
>> on
>> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and one
>> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
>>
>>
>> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > Hello:
>> >
>> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
>> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
>> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
>> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
>> > if that happens?
>> >
>
> I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:
>
> 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
> while in Iraq).
>
> 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
> family.
>
> 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
> structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
>
> I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
> that was happening to me.
>
> Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
> understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
> psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
>
> I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
> apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
> prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
> geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
> are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
> with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
>
> Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
> schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
> the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
> revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
> He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
> article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
>
> PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
> before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
> much we can do about it.
>

Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your reference
> to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase, and it
> implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
> observation....

No one is after me. I do not have special powers. But I see the world
very differently due to my extreme isolation.


>
> Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head examined."
>
> I guess you could say the same about psychologists.
>
> Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never mentioned
> them to him.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167658433.080057.324600@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> >> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
> >> evaluated
> >> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you are
> >> on
> >> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and one
> >> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
> >>
> >>
> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > Hello:
> >> >
> >> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> >> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> >> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> >> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> >> > if that happens?
> >> >
> >
> > I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:
> >
> > 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
> > while in Iraq).
> >
> > 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
> > family.
> >
> > 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
> > structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
> >
> > I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
> > that was happening to me.
> >
> > Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
> > understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
> > psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
> >
> > I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
> > apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
> > prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
> > geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
> > are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
> > with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
> >
> > Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
> > schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
> > the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
> > revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
> > He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
> > article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
> >
> > PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
> > before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
> > much we can do about it.
> >

x-no-archive: yes

Hmmm. You need to hedge your bets.

It takes one to know one. I think you have a problem.

Start at the library. DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is used to
define mental illness. This can be useful in several ways. You need to
come to terms with the possibility that the psychologist was correct. Once
you know what characteristics the professionals are looking for, you can use
your knowledge to *hide* your problems. If there was one failing in my
life, it was my failure to lie, when I needed to hide the diagnosis I ran
into.

In my case, I was diagnosed in 1977. I understood from research that I had
a problem by 1978. I started a career with a large company in 1979. My
first mistake was being honest with the company doctors. After 6 years of
employment, the notes from my *2* pre-employment physicals were removed from
my file due to their age. I thought I was now safe. I used my good income
to pay a psychiatrist in cash to keep my problem a secret. I had insurance
through my employer, but did not use that for the psychiatrist. After many
years, I had a serious on-the-job injury. The doctors, figured out my
labeling from the past (I told them what meds I was currently taking)(I'm
such a naive idiot). In the doctor's reports on my physical injury the
doctors made sure that they included warnings to my employer about my mental
illness. This was a complete surprise to the managers at the company. The
managers now had a new priority: to get rid of me. In hindsight, I needed
to lie to the doctors to be treated fairly and keep my career.

Your future at the National Guard is dead. Hide this thing the best you
can.

There are medications that may help you escape isolation. You need to play
both sides of the street.

In our current era of databasing, even if you cover this up, a computer
record search may someday catch up to you.





<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167664065.241574.187950@a3g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your
>> reference
>> to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase, and
>> it
>> implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
>> observation....
>
> No one is after me. I do not have special powers. But I see the world
> very differently due to my extreme isolation.
>
>
>>
>> Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head examined."
>>
>> I guess you could say the same about psychologists.
>>
>> Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never
>> mentioned
>> them to him.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167658433.080057.324600@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >
>> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> >> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
>> >> evaluated
>> >> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you
>> >> are
>> >> on
>> >> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and
>> >> one
>> >> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> > Hello:
>> >> >
>> >> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
>> >> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she
>> >> > found
>> >> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
>> >> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal
>> >> > action
>> >> > if that happens?
>> >> >
>> >
>> > I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:
>> >
>> > 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
>> > while in Iraq).
>> >
>> > 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
>> > family.
>> >
>> > 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
>> > structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
>> >
>> > I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
>> > that was happening to me.
>> >
>> > Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
>> > understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
>> > psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
>> >
>> > I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
>> > apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
>> > prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
>> > geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
>> > are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
>> > with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
>> >
>> > Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
>> > schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
>> > the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
>> > revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
>> > He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
>> > article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
>> >
>> > PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
>> > before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
>> > much we can do about it.
>> >
>

Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Hmmm. You need to hedge your bets.
>
> It takes one to know one. I think you have a problem.
>
> Start at the library. DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is used to
> define mental illness. This can be useful in several ways. You need to
> come to terms with the possibility that the psychologist was correct. Once
> you know what characteristics the professionals are looking for, you can use
> your knowledge to *hide* your problems. If there was one failing in my
> life, it was my failure to lie, when I needed to hide the diagnosis I ran
> into.
>
> In my case, I was diagnosed in 1977. I understood from research that I had
> a problem by 1978. I started a career with a large company in 1979. My
> first mistake was being honest with the company doctors. After 6 years of
> employment, the notes from my *2* pre-employment physicals were removed from
> my file due to their age. I thought I was now safe. I used my good income
> to pay a psychiatrist in cash to keep my problem a secret. I had insurance
> through my employer, but did not use that for the psychiatrist. After many
> years, I had a serious on-the-job injury. The doctors, figured out my
> labeling from the past (I told them what meds I was currently taking)(I'm
> such a naive idiot). In the doctor's reports on my physical injury the
> doctors made sure that they included warnings to my employer about my mental
> illness. This was a complete surprise to the managers at the company. The
> managers now had a new priority: to get rid of me. In hindsight, I needed
> to lie to the doctors to be treated fairly and keep my career.
>
> Your future at the National Guard is dead. Hide this thing the best you
> can.
>
> There are medications that may help you escape isolation. You need to play
> both sides of the street.
>
> In our current era of databasing, even if you cover this up, a computer
> record search may someday catch up to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167664065.241574.187950@a3g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> >> Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your
> >> reference
> >> to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase, and
> >> it
> >> implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
> >> observation....
> >
> > No one is after me. I do not have special powers. But I see the world
> > very differently due to my extreme isolation.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head examined."
> >>
> >> I guess you could say the same about psychologists.
> >>
> >> Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never
> >> mentioned
> >> them to him.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >>
> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1167658433.080057.324600@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> >> >> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
> >> >> evaluated
> >> >> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you
> >> >> are
> >> >> on
> >> >> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and
> >> >> one
> >> >> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> > Hello:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> >> >> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she
> >> >> > found
> >> >> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> >> >> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal
> >> >> > action
> >> >> > if that happens?
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:
> >> >
> >> > 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
> >> > while in Iraq).
> >> >
> >> > 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
> >> > family.
> >> >
> >> > 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
> >> > structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
> >> >
> >> > I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
> >> > that was happening to me.
> >> >
> >> > Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
> >> > understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
> >> > psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
> >> >
> >> > I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
> >> > apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
> >> > prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
> >> > geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
> >> > are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
> >> > with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
> >> > schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
> >> > the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
> >> > revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
> >> > He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
> >> > article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
> >> >
> >> > PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
> >> > before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
> >> > much we can do about it.
> >> >


There are medications that may help you escape isolation. You need to
play
both sides of the street.

No, how about having an oportunity to meet people in a structure
besides the work place. Despite my religious beliefs, everyone I
interact with thinks I am okay.

"Hide this thing the best you can."

Thanks for confirming that it is my best interests to supress my
spirituality.

Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Hmmm. You need to hedge your bets.
>
> It takes one to know one. I think you have a problem.
>
> Start at the library. DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is used to
> define mental illness. This can be useful in several ways. You need to
> come to terms with the possibility that the psychologist was correct. Once
> you know what characteristics the professionals are looking for, you can use
> your knowledge to *hide* your problems. If there was one failing in my
> life, it was my failure to lie, when I needed to hide the diagnosis I ran
> into.
>
> In my case, I was diagnosed in 1977. I understood from research that I had
> a problem by 1978. I started a career with a large company in 1979. My
> first mistake was being honest with the company doctors. After 6 years of
> employment, the notes from my *2* pre-employment physicals were removed from
> my file due to their age. I thought I was now safe. I used my good income
> to pay a psychiatrist in cash to keep my problem a secret. I had insurance
> through my employer, but did not use that for the psychiatrist. After many
> years, I had a serious on-the-job injury. The doctors, figured out my
> labeling from the past (I told them what meds I was currently taking)(I'm
> such a naive idiot). In the doctor's reports on my physical injury the
> doctors made sure that they included warnings to my employer about my mental
> illness. This was a complete surprise to the managers at the company. The
> managers now had a new priority: to get rid of me. In hindsight, I needed
> to lie to the doctors to be treated fairly and keep my career.
>
> Your future at the National Guard is dead. Hide this thing the best you
> can.
>
> There are medications that may help you escape isolation. You need to play
> both sides of the street.
>
> In our current era of databasing, even if you cover this up, a computer
> record search may someday catch up to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167664065.241574.187950@a3g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> >> Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your
> >> reference
> >> to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase, and
> >> it
> >> implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
> >> observation....
> >
> > No one is after me. I do not have special powers. But I see the world
> > very differently due to my extreme isolation.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head examined."
> >>
> >> I guess you could say the same about psychologists.
> >>
> >> Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never
> >> mentioned
> >> them to him.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >>
> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1167658433.080057.324600@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
> >> >> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
> >> >> evaluated
> >> >> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless you
> >> >> are
> >> >> on
> >> >> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective, and
> >> >> one
> >> >> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> > Hello:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> >> >> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she
> >> >> > found
> >> >> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> >> >> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal
> >> >> > action
> >> >> > if that happens?
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three things:
> >> >
> >> > 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw combat
> >> > while in Iraq).
> >> >
> >> > 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
> >> > family.
> >> >
> >> > 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex individual
> >> > structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
> >> >
> >> > I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
> >> > that was happening to me.
> >> >
> >> > Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
> >> > understand the differences between the types of mental health workers;
> >> > psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
> >> >
> >> > I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
> >> > apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study of
> >> > prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
> >> > geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
> >> > are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these things
> >> > with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me as
> >> > schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work them
> >> > the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward a
> >> > revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said that.
> >> > He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
> >> > article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
> >> >
> >> > PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
> >> > before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
> >> > much we can do about it.
> >> >
> >

<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167658770.398135.249880@a3g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
|
| Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
| > Does the National Guard allow schizophrenics? What's your perpective? Did
you
| > want a clean bill of health? If you served in Iraq, you may well have come
down
| > with a severe mental illness (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). If you served
in
| > New Orleans, it will probably be a less severe form of mental illness. If
you
| > are deaf in one ear, blame your drill sergeant or your firearms, or your
| > unwashed bedding at bedtime (ear infection).
| >
| > <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
| > | Hello:
| > |
| > | I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
| > | practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
| > | " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
| > | may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
| > | if that happens?
| > |
|
| 1) I did not know the VA was labeling me as a schizo when I joined the
| Guard
|
| 2) I never saw combat in Iraq, no one threatened my life, I was in the
| rear with the gear. However, my SGT tried to systematically destroy my
| self respect.
|
| 3) As for people telling me to use this to milk the system, I do not do
| this crap. And I do not want to play schizo which I would have to do if
| I did. I want to do things with my life. FUCK THE VA. Make sure the t
| is burning.

It's hard to get benefits in this country. Are you very likely to get a job that
pays $25K-30K with health benefits in the next 2 years? Or are you resigned to
minimum wage jobs for the next 5 years? If stuck with minimum wage jobs 4-ever,
you would do well to take up some VA benefits. It's very difficult to get
benefits from the VA & Social Security, and those benefits are being severely
eroded as the decades wear on. Half of the population of this country has less
than $10K in the bank. Social Security may pay you $625 to $1625 (?) a month
depending on their formulas and criteria; this amount may or may not pay for
your rent & food and will likely never cover a car. Being disabled is equivalent
to being on "financial death row".

Everybody finds God in a foxhole...or a prison cell, because hell ain't far
away.

On a more positive note, I know people with mental illness who work for a
disability contractor at a local VA hospital and are quite successful with
it. Imagine that, the VA calls you mental and then you get a job working
there that you really enjoy.

<bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167675371.960962.235020@n51g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> "Hide this thing the best you can."
>
> Thanks for confirming that it is my best interests to supress my
> spirituality.
>
> Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Hmmm. You need to hedge your bets.
>>
>> It takes one to know one. I think you have a problem.
>>
>> Start at the library. DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is used
>> to
>> define mental illness. This can be useful in several ways. You need to
>> come to terms with the possibility that the psychologist was correct.
>> Once
>> you know what characteristics the professionals are looking for, you can
>> use
>> your knowledge to *hide* your problems. If there was one failing in my
>> life, it was my failure to lie, when I needed to hide the diagnosis I ran
>> into.
>>
>> In my case, I was diagnosed in 1977. I understood from research that I
>> had
>> a problem by 1978. I started a career with a large company in 1979. My
>> first mistake was being honest with the company doctors. After 6 years
>> of
>> employment, the notes from my *2* pre-employment physicals were removed
>> from
>> my file due to their age. I thought I was now safe. I used my good
>> income
>> to pay a psychiatrist in cash to keep my problem a secret. I had
>> insurance
>> through my employer, but did not use that for the psychiatrist. After
>> many
>> years, I had a serious on-the-job injury. The doctors, figured out my
>> labeling from the past (I told them what meds I was currently taking)(I'm
>> such a naive idiot). In the doctor's reports on my physical injury the
>> doctors made sure that they included warnings to my employer about my
>> mental
>> illness. This was a complete surprise to the managers at the company.
>> The
>> managers now had a new priority: to get rid of me. In hindsight, I
>> needed
>> to lie to the doctors to be treated fairly and keep my career.
>>
>> Your future at the National Guard is dead. Hide this thing the best you
>> can.
>>
>> There are medications that may help you escape isolation. You need to
>> play
>> both sides of the street.
>>
>> In our current era of databasing, even if you cover this up, a computer
>> record search may someday catch up to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167664065.241574.187950@a3g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
>> >
>> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> >> Well, you sound normal enough. The only exception would be your
>> >> reference
>> >> to: "complex individual structural realities" This is an odd phrase,
>> >> and
>> >> it
>> >> implies a possible delusional frame of reference. Please forgive the
>> >> observation....
>> >
>> > No one is after me. I do not have special powers. But I see the world
>> > very differently due to my extreme isolation.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Humor: "People who see psychiatrists ought to have their head
>> >> examined."
>> >>
>> >> I guess you could say the same about psychologists.
>> >>
>> >> Your religious beliefs seem within the normal range, and you never
>> >> mentioned
>> >> them to him.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1167658433.080057.324600@v33g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>> >> >> There may be some other factors involved. What led to your being
>> >> >> evaluated
>> >> >> in the first place? Hallucinations are pretty definitive, unless
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> illegal drugs, or something. Delusional thinking is subjective,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> might squirm out of a diagnosis.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <bghilliotti@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1167585676.858957.320710@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> > Hello:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A
>> >> >> > private
>> >> >> > practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she
>> >> >> > found
>> >> >> > " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions".
>> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal
>> >> >> > action
>> >> >> > if that happens?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I went to the VA Mental Health Clinic in Newington CT for three
>> >> > things:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) To deal with abuse I faced from a SGT during OIF (I never saw
>> >> > combat
>> >> > while in Iraq).
>> >> >
>> >> > 2) Deal with challenges associated with coming from a dysfunctional
>> >> > family.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3) Deal with social isolation issues, resulting from complex
>> >> > individual
>> >> > structural realities that were both circumstantial and self created.
>> >> >
>> >> > I did not come there to be diagnosed or labeled, and I had not idea
>> >> > that was happening to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I realize that I should have seen a social worker. I did not
>> >> > understand the differences between the types of mental health
>> >> > workers;
>> >> > psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have NEVER had a hallucination. If you believe religiously based
>> >> > apocalyptical beliefs are delusions (which I base on careful study
>> >> > of
>> >> > prophetic sources and contrasts with current understanding of
>> >> > geopolitical realities) I guess about a billion people in this world
>> >> > are delusional in some way. By the way, I NEVER discussed these
>> >> > things
>> >> > with the person I was seeing at the Newington VA.
>> >> >
>> >> > Interestingly, I recall the person who I was seeing (who labled me
>> >> > as
>> >> > schizo) at the VA stating to me "Isn't that what America is, work
>> >> > them
>> >> > the most for as little as possible? I think America is headed toward
>> >> > a
>> >> > revolution" (paraphrased). I was a little suprised when he said
>> >> > that.
>> >> > He said that in response to a brief discussion we had about an IBD
>> >> > article concerning Wal Mart (outside of therapy discussion).
>> >> >
>> >> > PS: There are no guns and ammo stockpiles in the basement. As I said
>> >> > before, if it is going to happen, and God wills it, there is nothing
>> >> > much we can do about it.
>> >> >
>> >
>

Al never wanted to milk the system until it was too late. He got
too old.
Al struggled to escape the stigma of schizohrenia, and his exwife
wanted him to change his identity to escape it. He got a video on the
subject and it warned that for every falsfied document, license , birth
certificate, etc., you can get 10 years in the federal pen. So, seeing
that it was illegal, he wouldn't do it. Because of that his wife left
him and he was financially wiped out by the divorce.
He had been under a guardianship, but his wife's cult got rid of
it. So with the ruined marrriage he lost his inheritance. We like to
compare it to Esau selling his birthright for red pottage, for, his
exwife was a red haired 410 pound pottage blushing red from the effort
of carrying all that weight around, one big pot of red pottage.

Penalties for buying forged documents may be less than penalties for making
them.

There are probably some angles for this. I have known people who used their
middle name as if it was their first name. Thus John Robert Smith becomes
Bob Smith. Just pretend you have no middle name. SS won't let you change
your SS number, but they might issue a new one.

Then there is a legal process for changing one's name. There is a public
record of the change, but what employer is going to figure that out?

These are just ideas off of the top of my head. Some research, and a fresh
start should be possible.

How about becoming an actor and getting a SAG card. Actors often use their
stage names in real life. Nobody throws them in jail.

Learn to say "aboot" and tell people that you are an illegal Canadian
without papers.


"Miguel Lahunkun" <gellie418@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4644-459AE5E0-1229@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> Al never wanted to milk the system until it was too late. He got
> too old.
> Al struggled to escape the stigma of schizohrenia, and his exwife
> wanted him to change his identity to escape it. He got a video on the
> subject and it warned that for every falsfied document, license , birth
> certificate, etc., you can get 10 years in the federal pen. So, seeing
> that it was illegal, he wouldn't do it. Because of that his wife left
> him and he was financially wiped out by the divorce.
> He had been under a guardianship, but his wife's cult got rid of
> it. So with the ruined marrriage he lost his inheritance. We like to
> compare it to Esau selling his birthright for red pottage, for, his
> exwife was a red haired 410 pound pottage blushing red from the effort
> of carrying all that weight around, one big pot of red pottage.
>

There was never anything illegal with anbody using their middle
name. I don't have a middle name except that when one is needed for some
legal papers I use my mother's maiden name, so that if I was called by
my legalistic middle name it could be reduced to Sam. But this video on
changing identty, by Freedom Domain, which is today
http://www.freedomdomain.com , said that if you falsify a license, birth
certficate, etc., it's 10 years in the federal pen for each offense.
Al's wife's friends had it lined up that he was to take the identity of
a deceased person around his age. Supposedly he would have got a birth
certificate and from there a license and other official papers. It
wouldn't have been strange in Maine for him not to have an SS number in
those days. He supposedly would have just decided to get one.
It's perfectly legal to use a pen name. In fact many poets in
http://www.poetry.com use pen names. And, look at some of the handles on
the net here. It's the obtainng of fraudulent government documents
that's illegal.
In California you don't even have to go through legal processes to
change your name. You just give yourself any name and use it. It becomes
your name by repeated use.
Then after using a new identty, is it illegal to falsify the death
of the old identity, like, would it be illegal for Al as David to
falsify that Al was dead? That's how far his wife wanted him to go. He
was willing to lose his VA100% disablity compensation and all the free
VA benefits like, free medical treatment, drugs, dentistry,
hospitalization, long term care, etc. just to escape the stigma of
schizophrenia. But, schizophrenics became honorary members of the
"monster club" through media horror stories of schizophrenic violence.
No more was there the scornful brushoff with a smirk. There was fear,
which to him was some kind of respect, more respect than he ever had
before. In fact, before he became a "born again" Christian he was a
Goth, and he didn't need any make up or disguise for it. He was a
natural. Before he got bald he looked like Bela Lugosi. Now that he is
bald, with the pointed beard he started here in Maine he looks like
Anton La Vey. And, there he is in a Pentecostal church looking like
Anton La Vey. The other Pentcostals there look at him twice. He is using
that which would be called in "The Verbal Art of Self Defense",
intimidation mode, only the author didn't think of the "fifth mode"
until it was too late. Us schizophrenics have to develope the skill of a
con artist to make life tolerable, otherwise, the only people who will
associate with us are excons and/or other mental patients. But the day
may come when "normos" feign schizophrenia for expediancy.

bghilliotti@hotmail.com schreef:

> Hello:
>
> I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
> practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
> " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
> may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
> if that happens?

I was a programmer in the army and they checked my background
and didn't find it a problem that I had schizophrenia or else they
wouldn't
have hired me.

Berty

>> Hello:
>>
>> I was misdiagnosed with schizoaffectve disorder by the VA. A private
>> practice clinical psychologist did an eval and concluded that she found
>> " no thought disorder associated with schizophrenic conditions". It
>> may cost my career in the National Guard. Can I pursue any legal action
>> if that happens?
>
> I was a programmer in the army and they checked my background
> and didn't find it a problem that I had schizophrenia or else they
> wouldn't
> have hired me.
>
> Berty
>

The USA ain't what she used to be.

Camera's everywhere now, and pee tests for jobs. I'll never work again... I
was a Lab Rat before sz, and I had a toxic work environment. The physical
and mental stress of working around toxins made me physically and mentally
ill. No doubt about it.