Invega - more on it

My doc asked if I was interested. She said it has less sideeffects.
I looked up as much as I could and from what I understand the
involuntary movements are supposed to be not as bad as risperdal. The
prescription information pdf doc said that patients still had weight
gain.
I'm considering being a ginnea pig once again. I have some sample
pills and a prescription - I'm just going to stall a few more days
until I take care of some things.
More to come....

This was posted in alt.slack


The only reason they came out with Invega is because risperdal's
patent is
about to expire. They tweak the molecule, promise the world, and get
a new
patent and have another dozen years of profit$$$ selling essentially
the
same crap. FYI, risperdal is about the only thing that budges
autism. Lots
of kids on it now. This is why it is IMPERATIVE that they come out
with a
replacement before it goes generic and they lose billions because the
government doesn't have to pay for the name brand drug any more.

Risperdal works for autism comparably to when you take two aspirins
because
you have a toothache. It's definitely better than nothing, but
certainly
not a night and day difference, from what I can see. Once you get
even that
much improvement, it's hard to give it up.

As a rebuttle to what was posted, I'd like to add that from that they
only list 2 common side effects on the invega website where risperdal
has 14. The number for invega may change after it is used by more
people.

I'm curious like a cat about this one. Invega doesn't list sleepiness
as a sideeffect.

Good luck Eric.

Thanks.

Well, I went ahead and took it last night. 6mg was a little intense
for me. I didn't want a cigarrette before bedtime though or get the
munchies like risperdal. When I woke up, I smoked half a cigarrette
and I didn't really need it. Last night I felt kind of like I dropped
a hit of acid. I'm not sure how the day will transpire, but at this
point I'm going to call my doc for a 3mg prescription on monday and
try that. I'm a glutton for punishment so I might try 6 again tonight
if the day goes well. With Geodon, the second dose was a million X
better.

To be continued...

I got overheated and it was cool in my house all day. Headaches, hard
to think. Maybe I need a lower dose, but so far I'm not impressed. I
might wait a month before I try again.
End of line.

Sorry to hear it didn't go better. Maybe next time...

Invega is the compound thought to be the major active metabolite of
Risperidone, aka Risperdal. From the Invega Full Prescribing information...
http://www.janssen.com/active/janus/.../pi/invega.pdf

Paliperidone (i.e. Invega) is the major active metabolite of risperidone.
The mechanism of action of paliperidone, as with other drugs having efficacy
in schizophrenia, is unknown, but it has been proposed that the drug's
therapeutic activity in schizophrenia is mediated through a combination of
central dopamine Type 2 (D2) and serotonin Type 2 (5HT2A) receptor
antagonism.

End quote....

This may be a new and better Risperdal, or it may be a way of extending the
patent controlled years of the drug's commercial lifespan, because Risperdal
is soon to become generic.

jerasmus

A law firm just told me that Invega definately causes diabetes; but
they are too busy prosecuting Zyprexa, for causing diabetes, to have
time to prosecute Invega, now. I have posted this email to me in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/ and all you have to do is put
gellie418 in the search slot there to read this post.
Diabetes is no fun. All the atypical antipsychotics cause diabetes.
If diabetes was such a great way to die, why did my cousin's exwife, who
was a full diabetic on insulin, kill herself by an overdose of
Imiprimin? No, my cousin wasn't responsible for her choice. She was a
professional con artist and prostitute. She killed herself rather than
go to state prison. The criminal tag (she had a long criminal record)
kept her from getting any psychiatric tag. Originally, she had been
diagnosed bipolar, but after she got the record of a career criminal her
condition was ignored to maximize any prosecution, even though her
parents were rich. Members of the criminal justice system will eliminate
mental health tags to score on prosecutions. But, that's a tough way to
eliminate your psychiatric tag. Is it worth it?

On Mar 12, 3:53 pm, gellie...@webtv.net (Miguel Lahunkun) wrote:
> A law firm just told me that Invega definately causes diabetes; but
> they are too busy prosecuting Zyprexa, for causing diabetes, to have
> time to prosecute Invega, now. I have posted this email to me inhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/and all you have to do is put
> gellie418 in the search slot there to read this post.
> Diabetes is no fun. All the atypical antipsychotics cause diabetes.
> If diabetes was such a great way to die, why did my cousin's exwife, who
> was a full diabetic on insulin, kill herself by an overdose of
> Imiprimin? No, my cousin wasn't responsible for her choice. She was a
> professional con artist and prostitute. She killed herself rather than
> go to state prison. The criminal tag (she had a long criminal record)
> kept her from getting any psychiatric tag. Originally, she had been
> diagnosed bipolar, but after she got the record of a career criminal her
> condition was ignored to maximize any prosecution, even though her
> parents were rich. Members of the criminal justice system will eliminate
> mental health tags to score on prosecutions. But, that's a tough way to
> eliminate your psychiatric tag. Is it worth it?

You don't have to be so negative about the medications. We're all
aware that all of the antipsychotics used to treat schizophrenia have
awful side effects and are only partially effective. If they were more
effective and had less side effects then we all wouldn't be on here
getting our panties in a bundle over a new med being release and
tested.

<coryschulz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 12, 3:53 pm, gellie...@webtv.net (Miguel Lahunkun) wrote:
>> A law firm just told me that Invega definately causes diabetes; but
>> they are too busy prosecuting Zyprexa, for causing diabetes, to have
>> time to prosecute Invega, now. I have posted this email to me
>> inhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/and all you have to do is put
>> gellie418 in the search slot there to read this post.
>> Diabetes is no fun. All the atypical antipsychotics cause diabetes.
>> If diabetes was such a great way to die, why did my cousin's exwife, who
>> was a full diabetic on insulin, kill herself by an overdose of
>> Imiprimin? No, my cousin wasn't responsible for her choice. She was a
>> professional con artist and prostitute. She killed herself rather than
>> go to state prison. The criminal tag (she had a long criminal record)
>> kept her from getting any psychiatric tag. Originally, she had been
>> diagnosed bipolar, but after she got the record of a career criminal her
>> condition was ignored to maximize any prosecution, even though her
>> parents were rich. Members of the criminal justice system will eliminate
>> mental health tags to score on prosecutions. But, that's a tough way to
>> eliminate your psychiatric tag. Is it worth it?
>
> You don't have to be so negative about the medications. We're all
> aware that all of the antipsychotics used to treat schizophrenia have
> awful side effects and are only partially effective. If they were more
> effective and had less side effects then we all wouldn't be on here
> getting our panties in a bundle over a new med being release and
> tested.
>

Hospital Safari
Yer Man
Cheif Tester
More the Merrier
Ga Ga
Baby Talk
Drugs Or Bugs
Bit wet Round Here

Roids

Someone has to reveal the "negative" truth. If Gellie didn't I was
going to. The FDA has outlawed substances for much less than that, but,
the use, in fact, forced use, of atypical antipsychotic drugs is proof
of the incredable corruption of the FDA. I don't even know what the FDA
found wrong with Cyclamates. Cyclamates are available from other
countries through the internet. Epinepherine was outlawed for far less.
We have our own epinepherine (adrenalin) manufactured by our own bodies.
Herbal epinepherine was part of natural herbal medicine where the FDA
could never tread before, yet, the FDA was able to ban the sale of these
natural herbs. But, these atypical antipsychotic drugs definately cause
diabetes. They are more harmful than any popularly known and used drug
that has ever been outlawed by the FDA.

On Mar 13, 5:43 am, claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:
> Someone has to reveal the "negative" truth. If Gellie didn't I was
> going to. The FDA has outlawed substances for much less than that, but,
> the use, in fact, forced use, of atypical antipsychotic drugs is proof
> of the incredable corruption of the FDA. I don't even know what the FDA
> found wrong with Cyclamates. Cyclamates are available from other
> countries through the internet. Epinepherine was outlawed for far less.
> We have our own epinepherine (adrenalin) manufactured by our own bodies.
> Herbal epinepherine was part of natural herbal medicine where the FDA
> could never tread before, yet, the FDA was able to ban the sale of these
> natural herbs. But, these atypical antipsychotic drugs definately cause
> diabetes. They are more harmful than any popularly known and used drug
> that has ever been outlawed by the FDA.

We all know that they do all of these things. My problem is that he
isn't "revealing" anything. He's constantly restating the same common
knowledge over and over again. There is also the "positive" truth that
these meds help a lot of people function in their everyday lives and
help suppress the disease. Why doesn't he talk about that part? I've
yet to benefit from an antipsychotic, and I'd very much like to see
them improved, but it's pointless to repetitively state the same
things that are often hardly relevant to anything we're discussing. I
guess it just bothers me because what he does is not productive in any
way.

He's tried them, I've tried them, and we found them to be
unbearable smothering torment. We had them forced on us. Now we can
refuse them; but we fear a future time when they can be forced on us
again. So, we'd like them wiped off the face of the earth. They do cause
diabetes so we can expose the FDA for this corruption in comparison with
harmless things like cylamates that they outlawed. We can rise up
actions against these dopamine blockers. It's self defense!

On Mar 13, 3:27 pm, claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:
> He's tried them, I've tried them, and we found them to be
> unbearable smothering torment. We had them forced on us. Now we can
> refuse them; but we fear a future time when they can be forced on us
> again. So, we'd like them wiped off the face of the earth. They do cause
> diabetes so we can expose the FDA for this corruption in comparison with
> harmless things like cylamates that they outlawed. We can rise up
> actions against these dopamine blockers. It's self defense!

Cyclamates are just artificial sweeteners. They don't seem to have any
medicinal benefit. The desire to have a medication "wiped off the face
of the earth" because you didn't like them is extremely selfish and
inconsiderate to the people who don't mind taking them and benefit
from them. You're not "exposing" the FDA as being corrupt because
these meds cause diabetes. These side effects are not anything hidden.
They are very common with these meds and come with many warnings.

If you want to protest the dopamine blockers then maybe you should try
a few amphetamines and Wellbutrin XL.

<coryschulz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 13, 3:27 pm, claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:
>> He's tried them, I've tried them, and we found them to be
>> unbearable smothering torment. We had them forced on us. Now we can
>> refuse them; but we fear a future time when they can be forced on us
>> again. So, we'd like them wiped off the face of the earth. They do cause
>> diabetes so we can expose the FDA for this corruption in comparison with
>> harmless things like cylamates that they outlawed. We can rise up
>> actions against these dopamine blockers. It's self defense!
>
> Cyclamates are just artificial sweeteners. They don't seem to have any
> medicinal benefit. The desire to have a medication "wiped off the face
> of the earth" because you didn't like them is extremely selfish and
> inconsiderate to the people who don't mind taking them and benefit
> from them. You're not "exposing" the FDA as being corrupt because
> these meds cause diabetes. These side effects are not anything hidden.
> They are very common with these meds and come with many warnings.
>
> If you want to protest the dopamine blockers then maybe you should try
> a few amphetamines and Wellbutrin XL.
>

Jump Off Cliff Would You

Roids

<coryschulz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 13, 3:27 pm, claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:
>> He's tried them, I've tried them, and we found them to be
>> unbearable smothering torment. We had them forced on us. Now we can
>> refuse them; but we fear a future time when they can be forced on us
>> again. So, we'd like them wiped off the face of the earth. They do cause
>> diabetes so we can expose the FDA for this corruption in comparison with
>> harmless things like cylamates that they outlawed. We can rise up
>> actions against these dopamine blockers. It's self defense!
>
> Cyclamates are just artificial sweeteners. They don't seem to have any
> medicinal benefit. The desire to have a medication "wiped off the face
> of the earth" because you didn't like them is extremely selfish and
> inconsiderate to the people who don't mind taking them and benefit
> from them. You're not "exposing" the FDA as being corrupt because
> these meds cause diabetes. These side effects are not anything hidden.
> They are very common with these meds and come with many warnings.
>

Hear hear!
Goodness the times I and I am sure many of us have welcomed the relief
medication can bring.

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<coryschulz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 3:27 pm,

claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:

>> Cyclamates are just artificial sweeteners. They don't seem to have any
>> medicinal benefit. The desire to have a medication "wiped off the face
>> of the earth" because you didn't like them is extremely selfish and
>> inconsiderate to the people who don't mind taking them and benefit
>> from them. You're not "exposing" the FDA as being corrupt because
>> these meds cause diabetes. These side effects are not anything hidden.
>> They are very common with these meds and come with many warnings.
>>
>> If you want to protest the dopamine blockers then maybe you should try
>> a few amphetamines and Wellbutrin XL.
>>
>
> Jump Off Cliff Would You
>
> Roids
>

I guess People Without Understand Value Of own Mind
Could Always Add some Chloroform to It
See if that works

I haven't Tried it yet
I must be there coz nothing else is working
Oh Tut Tut

I never seen anyone get close to describe ECT in this place except Map

If I had to do that to you worthless Qizzing your way to top getting answers
from people who first hand suffered those pains
without you ever lift so much as your ass away from your screen

Sicko People Want sicko Drugs
Which in Turn Means
People who dont want sicko Drugs are forced Coz
The Theroy is Sicko Like them So We all Have Them
But Dr Dont

Roids

On 13 Mar, 23:43, "THE BORG" <B...@homeworld.com> wrote:

> Hear hear!
> Goodness the times I and I am sure many of us have welcomed the relief
> medication can bring


Never once, in my twenty odd years of sz life have I said, thank
goodness I've taken that tablet, what a relief.
The injections didn't make me feel as if help was on the way.

Now, and using meds differently, and very rarely, it permits only a
temporary cessation of hostility. A break in the flow. Not caused by
mind altering effect, but simply through its sedative effects,
allowing me to sleep.

Taking these medications regularly, I got used to them, and like all
of those on maintenence doses got used to living 'beyond sleep'.
Having to climb above my own sleep levels, and the sleep levels
induced by the medication, in order to be 'normal'.
(or rather, in order to be able to to be kept awake enough to want to
try to find ways of interpreting my experiences)

And when trouble came back, as it always did, I went onto increasing
levels of medications, where the trouble was only held at bay finally,
because of the massive sedative effects on my system and the thing
that made the difference always was sleep.

Now that I rarely use a p-med, I can confirm that the same process
works at the no-med levels. Sleep seems to put a bit of distance
around the problem/difficulty, and the next day one can try to find a
new way of dealing with the problem.

Whether sleep is a natural process or not, whether we are in a natural
system or not, it is the unintentional effects of the drugs, the ones
that we are supposed to manage, that puts a brake on the difficulties.

Judy

"Judy" <jalees@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 13 Mar, 23:43, "THE BORG" <B...@homeworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hear hear!
>> Goodness the times I and I am sure many of us have welcomed the relief
>> medication can bring
>
>
> Never once, in my twenty odd years of sz life have I said, thank
> goodness I've taken that tablet, what a relief.
> The injections didn't make me feel as if help was on the way.
>
> Now, and using meds differently, and very rarely, it permits only a
> temporary cessation of hostility. A break in the flow. Not caused by
> mind altering effect, but simply through its sedative effects,
> allowing me to sleep.
>
> Taking these medications regularly, I got used to them, and like all
> of those on maintenence doses got used to living 'beyond sleep'.
> Having to climb above my own sleep levels, and the sleep levels
> induced by the medication, in order to be 'normal'.
> (or rather, in order to be able to to be kept awake enough to want to
> try to find ways of interpreting my experiences)
>
> And when trouble came back, as it always did, I went onto increasing
> levels of medications, where the trouble was only held at bay finally,
> because of the massive sedative effects on my system and the thing
> that made the difference always was sleep.
>
> Now that I rarely use a p-med, I can confirm that the same process
> works at the no-med levels. Sleep seems to put a bit of distance
> around the problem/difficulty, and the next day one can try to find a
> new way of dealing with the problem.
>
> Whether sleep is a natural process or not, whether we are in a natural
> system or not, it is the unintentional effects of the drugs, the ones
> that we are supposed to manage, that puts a brake on the difficulties.
>
> Judy
>
>
Medication effects different people in different ways. I have found in the
past that symptoms can be so bad that sleep itself is fear and hovering on
the brink of nightmare I force myself to stay awake. If you find you are
peaceful enough to sleep then naturally sleep is good and recuperative and
regenerative. If you cannot sleep of are afraid to sleep then medication or
extra medication can help.
I have never found the sedative effect of medication to be a problem -
rather the opposite - I am hyperactive and medication make me calmer.
All these medication are individual and indeed if you try the same
medication twice you may find the effect to be completely different. Or at
least I did! Mind you I am not human being from outa space and all that!
Love
er who shall I be today out of my selection of multiple personality?
Mipple pipple wopple pop
x

If you want to save your drugs you had better make sure there is
never again any chance of them being forced on people against their
wills. Cyclamates are harmless sweeteners, yet they were outlawed due to
corrupt briberies from other sweetener companies. At first some food and
drink companies couldn't adjust gracefully. On the Diet Pepsi bottle cap
it said, "Diet Pepsi with sugar added". I still have one of those bottle
caps. I wonder how much it's worth. But here we have drugs that cause
diabetes, and their miserable feeling is from their main purpose, to
block dopamine, the reward neurotransmitter of the brain.
About 30 years ago there was a documentary about oppression in the
Soviet Union. Dissidents were locked up in mental hospitals and had
dopamine blockers forced on them. Their symptoms were the same as ours,
supposedly due to the fact that they were normal. They were mentally
healthy dissidents, not schizophrenics. Many of us were tagged
schizophrenic long before it was defined as having too much dopamine.
And, has any psychiatrist ever proven an overabundance of dopamine with
a brain biopsy? Some of us have been recently given lithium, and we love
it. If it were ever outlawed, the "establishment" would again be
fighting ubiquity, lithium is the most abundant solid element in the
universe.

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>
> <coryschulz@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1173819227.703806.120710@y66g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
> On Mar 13, 3:27 pm,
>
> claxto...@webtv.net (Ralph Claxton) wrote:
>

> I guess People Without Understand Value Of own Mind
> Could Always Add some Chloroform to It
> See if that works
>
> I haven't Tried it yet
> I must be there coz nothing else is working
> Oh Tut Tut
>
> I never seen anyone get close to describe ECT in this place except Map
>
> If I had to do that to you worthless Qizzing your way to top getting
> answers
> from people who first hand suffered those pains
> without you ever lift so much as your ass away from your screen
>
> Sicko People Want sicko Drugs
> Which in Turn Means
> People who dont want sicko Drugs are forced Coz
> The Theroy is Sicko Like them So We all Have Them
> But Dr Dont
>
> Roids
>

The Poison Exhausts Your Mind To Pieces Tearing It Apart
You Could Sleep On That
I'd Say Far From Peaceful Method
You Wake Grogo Mouth Thumping Head

Other Ways Would Be Hit Head With Hammer

Or Another Would Get Some Exercise
With That Exercise You would Remover The Mouth Effect And Thumper
Gain Some Health Some Way also

Roids