jus, bombed myself out on kpins'

I am enjoying the time i have left. I hate klonopin. If they had
told me the shitty withdrawl symptoms the shit gives you and the
relaxation that follows poppin a couple mgs. I woullda told my doc to
shove the clonazepam up his ass. This is what I do. Ille take 3
mgs. and then wait two or three days till i can really feel myself
going through the shit withdrawl. when the withdrawl is at its worse,
ille take some, ummmm goodness. I do not trust this True hope
shit... I started something called truehope they use it for
SZ,bipolar,depression. I think its a rip off cause i been takin these
'MIRACLE VITAMINS' and i feel the same as always, symptoms the same as
always.

ACE wrote:
> I am enjoying the time i have left. I hate klonopin. If they had
> told me the shitty withdrawl symptoms the shit gives you and the
> relaxation that follows poppin a couple mgs. I woullda told my doc to
> shove the clonazepam up his ass. This is what I do. Ille take 3
> mgs. and then wait two or three days till i can really feel myself
> going through the shit withdrawl. when the withdrawl is at its worse,
> ille take some, ummmm goodness. I do not trust this True hope
> shit... I started something called truehope they use it for
> SZ,bipolar,depression. I think its a rip off cause i been takin these
> 'MIRACLE VITAMINS' and i feel the same as always, symptoms the same as
> always.


I've heard of TrueHope before. A woman came to a chat I go to regularly
and said it helped her son. I was somewhat unconvinced if it would help
the general sz public. The company that sells it has gotten into
trouble before for their claims based on what I recall reading online.
Too much of some vitamins and minerals can kill you, or cause other
mental/physical problems.

Some have claimed to be cured from blood filtering, like a diabetic
would go through.

A few claims:
Magic herbs!
Magic secret formulas!
We're not ill, we're an adaptation or evolutionary step.
We are prophets!
We are not ill at all. The rest of society is.
....

Over the years of reading alt.support.schizophrenia I've come to see
many claims. I remain optimistic, and hopeful, though cautious.

Sz is a wide variety of illnesses I think.

I've been getting better since I was 17/18 and diagnosed. My pdoc even
agrees. The last 3-4 years have been very inspiring for me, even though
parts have been terrible. I'm 26 now.

I think that people get different forms of the illness. I think that
mine was brought on by a split, that caused me a great deal of stress
over a few years, and I needed to deal with those thoughts and feelings
that caused me so much stress, from then and much earlier in my life.

It's almost like I'm rewriting or rewiring my brain one thought at a
time. I'm seeing my old thoughts from memories, and realizing "that's
not what I thought it was. It was really X. I saw it that way because
of Y, and Z."

Still there are some things I can't explain that have happened. Perhaps
in time... :-)


Be well,

George

"George Peter Staplin" <georgepsSPAMMENOT@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:fp57qv$nkn$1@news.xmission.com...
> ACE wrote:
>> I am enjoying the time i have left. I hate klonopin. If they had
>> told me the shitty withdrawl symptoms the shit gives you and the
>> relaxation that follows poppin a couple mgs. I woullda told my doc to
>> shove the clonazepam up his ass. This is what I do. Ille take 3
>> mgs. and then wait two or three days till i can really feel myself
>> going through the shit withdrawl. when the withdrawl is at its worse,
>> ille take some, ummmm goodness. I do not trust this True hope
>> shit... I started something called truehope they use it for
>> SZ,bipolar,depression. I think its a rip off cause i been takin these
>> 'MIRACLE VITAMINS' and i feel the same as always, symptoms the same as
>> always.
>
>
> I've heard of TrueHope before. A woman came to a chat I go to regularly
> and said it helped her son. I was somewhat unconvinced if it would help
> the general sz public. The company that sells it has gotten into
> trouble before for their claims based on what I recall reading online.
> Too much of some vitamins and minerals can kill you, or cause other
> mental/physical problems.
>
> Some have claimed to be cured from blood filtering, like a diabetic
> would go through.
>
> A few claims:
> Magic herbs!
> Magic secret formulas!
> We're not ill, we're an adaptation or evolutionary step.
> We are prophets!
> We are not ill at all. The rest of society is.
> ...
>
> Over the years of reading alt.support.schizophrenia I've come to see
> many claims. I remain optimistic, and hopeful, though cautious.
>
> Sz is a wide variety of illnesses I think.
>
> I've been getting better since I was 17/18 and diagnosed. My pdoc even
> agrees. The last 3-4 years have been very inspiring for me, even though
> parts have been terrible. I'm 26 now.
>
> I think that people get different forms of the illness. I think that
> mine was brought on by a split, that caused me a great deal of stress
> over a few years, and I needed to deal with those thoughts and feelings
> that caused me so much stress, from then and much earlier in my life.
>
> It's almost like I'm rewriting or rewiring my brain one thought at a
> time. I'm seeing my old thoughts from memories, and realizing "that's
> not what I thought it was. It was really X. I saw it that way because
> of Y, and Z."
>
> Still there are some things I can't explain that have happened. Perhaps
> in time... :-)
>
>
> Be well,
>
> George

I too would have doubts about a vitamin therapy. However, N-Acetyl-Cysteine
has a couple of small studies behind it. Omega 3 has supposedly been
helpful to some people. Omega 3 made no difference to me.

About 25 years ago I read about testing on schizophrenics with dialysis. It
claimed that 10% of schizophrenics benefitted from dialysis. (I knew
someone, in my group of friends, who needed dialysis for kidney trouble. He
went through hell. The treatments were painful, and they did surgeries to
put in shunts in various parts of his body. He died. I guess he died about
a year ago.) So, even if dialysis were helpful, it is too nasty to be used
on an ongoing basis.

I agree that schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder are a *group* of
related, but different brain diseases.

On Feb 15, 4:43 pm, ACE <dan...@msn.com> wrote:
> I am enjoying the time i have left. I hate klonopin. If they had
> told me the shitty withdrawl symptoms the shit gives you and the
> relaxation that follows poppin a couple mgs. I woullda told my doc to
> shove the clonazepam up his ass. This is what I do. Ille take 3
> mgs. and then wait two or three days till i can really feel myself
> going through the shit withdrawl. when the withdrawl is at its worse,
> ille take some, ummmm goodness. I do not trust this True hope
> shit... I started something called truehope they use it for
> SZ,bipolar,depression. I think its a rip off cause i been takin these
> 'MIRACLE VITAMINS' and i feel the same as always, symptoms the same as
> always.

Hey,

I have had a real addiction to Klonopin and it does suck. I managed to
kick the addiction for about ten months but then had a psychotic
episode and severe anxiety / depression again and have decided that it
is better for me to live addicted than to go without.

I have heard good things about Truehope vitamin therapy.

Discovery Health channel did a documentary about True Hope.

Also Dr. E. Fuller Torrey and the Stanley Foundation are studying
Truehope.

pengun

<pengwin2@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:926-47B65332-332@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>
> I have heard good things about Truehope vitamin therapy.
>
> Discovery Health channel did a documentary about True Hope.
>
> Also Dr. E. Fuller Torrey and the Stanley Foundation are studying
> Truehope.
>
> pengun
>

I just did some Googling on Truehope. I have not seen the Discovery channel
show. In a few minutes I found that the Canadian authorities tried to shut
them down in 2003, which led to a court battle. Supposedly, Truehope won
the court battle, which allows them to do clinical trials on their products.

I also found a class action suit for people who regard themselves as victims
of Truehope.

To me, the first big red flag is that Truehope does not reveal the contents
of their products on their website. Unlike a drug company using a patent to
profit from their research, Truehope appears to be based on secrecy about
ordinary supplements, which could be obtained elsewhere, if they revealed
their secret formula.

This is clearly exploitation.

If ordinary supplements can cure bipolar or other conditions, a person with
a conscience would simple tell the world what the supplements are. Enticing
people with a secret formula is an evil thing to do.

I called TrueHope's 1800 number a few years ago and they sent me a list
of the ingredients of their supplements.

I also purchased a few jars. Here is a list of the ingredients. They
recommend taking the supplements high doses. I can't find the paperwork
they sent.

Here is a list of the ingredients off the jar.
Vitamin A,C,D,E, B1,B2,B3,B5.B6,B9,B9,B12, Vitamin H,calcium, iron,
phosporus,iodine, magnesium,zinc, selenium, copper, manganese, chromium,
molybedenum, potassium.

Vitamin therapies help some people, not everyone of course. Mark
Vonnegut, (Kurt Vonnegut's son) was helped by vitamin therapy. He was
manic depressive (orignally thougt to have sz.

Drug companies make money off of sick people, too.

penguin

Quiet Neighbor wrote:
>
><pengwin2@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:926-47B65332-332@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>>
>> I have heard good things about Truehope vitamin therapy.
>>
>> Discovery Health channel did a documentary about True Hope.
>>
>> Also Dr. E. Fuller Torrey and the Stanley Foundation are studying
>> Truehope.
>>
>> pengun
>>
>
> I just did some Googling on Truehope. I have not seen the Discovery channel
> show. In a few minutes I found that the Canadian authorities tried to shut
> them down in 2003, which led to a court battle. Supposedly, Truehope won
> the court battle, which allows them to do clinical trials on their products.
>
> I also found a class action suit for people who regard themselves as victims
> of Truehope.
>
> To me, the first big red flag is that Truehope does not reveal the contents
> of their products on their website. Unlike a drug company using a patent to
> profit from their research, Truehope appears to be based on secrecy about
> ordinary supplements, which could be obtained elsewhere, if they revealed
> their secret formula.
>
> This is clearly exploitation.
>
> If ordinary supplements can cure bipolar or other conditions, a person with
> a conscience would simple tell the world what the supplements are. Enticing
> people with a secret formula is an evil thing to do.


That's about the same conclusion I came to when I looked into Truehope.


George

<pengwin2@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:926-47B68F96-335@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>
> I called TrueHope's 1800 number a few years ago and they sent me a list
> of the ingredients of their supplements.
>
> I also purchased a few jars. Here is a list of the ingredients. They
> recommend taking the supplements high doses. I can't find the paperwork
> they sent.
>
> Here is a list of the ingredients off the jar.
> Vitamin A,C,D,E, B1,B2,B3,B5.B6,B9,B9,B12, Vitamin H,calcium, iron,
> phosporus,iodine, magnesium,zinc, selenium, copper, manganese, chromium,
> molybedenum, potassium.
>
> Vitamin therapies help some people, not everyone of course. Mark
> Vonnegut, (Kurt Vonnegut's son) was helped by vitamin therapy. He was
> manic depressive (orignally thougt to have sz.
>
> Drug companies make money off of sick people, too.
>
> penguin
>

Hmmm.

I didn't know they would mail out the list of ingredients.

From your jar label, everything listed (except phosphorus) is in my
over-the-counter multi-vitamin/multi-mineral tablets. I have a protein
powder that includes phosphorus.

They have been experimenting with Niacin (Vitamin B3) for about 50 years for
schizophrenia. Studies have had conflicting outcomes. That is, some
studies found a benefit, and other studies found no benefit.

Other vitamins suspected of being helpful are folic acid, vitamin B6, and
vitamin C.

I recently discovered the Australian studies on N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC),
which seemed to show that it was helpful as an addition to meds, but not
necessarily by itself. These were relatively small studies, but did use
proper scientific procedures. When I first started taking NAC, it seemed
like things felt smoother. I'm sorry if this is unclear. It changed how I
felt. It was an improvement, but it was very hard to explain what had
changed. I still cannot get away with stopping my regular meds. (I tried
it.) I increased the dosage of the NAC, but increasing the dosage did not
seem to increase the effect. I have shown some signs of improvement in
memory. When I first took NAC, it took 2 or 3 days before I noticed a
change. The Australian studies claim it takes 6 weeks to get an effect.

What has me jazzed about NAC is that I did not take it for psychological
benefit. It was *after* I noticed the effect that I researched what I was
already taking (NAC) and then found the Australian studies.

A 240 capsule bottle of 600mg NAC is about $23 on the internet.

The body uses NAC to make Glutathione. I also take Glutathione. However,
there has been a study showing that taking Glutathione orally does not get
very much into the person's system. That is why they use NAC instead of
Glutathione directly.

well,ille keep taking the true hope, if i go without klonapin longer
then a day,i go through hellish withdrawls, and i try and grit my
teeth and take the pain. yes ive grown much more reclusive then i was
when i was 19. the times im the least reclusive is when i wind up
homeless, and i meet crazys as well. people that just sit and scream
random shit or sit on the sidewalks rocking back and forth. poor
souls. these people need help, and there is very little help for the
mentally ill sometiems. lets pray for everyone, that god will give us
higher quality lives and we wont have to suffer so much. I beleive
Klonopin saved my life,iwas on edge,selfishly contimplating and
walking toward a self inflicted exectution. im not going to give into
suicide or hope that i dont, theres gotta be another way for me.

"ACE" <dan_16@msn.com> wrote in message
news:12afba34-7de1-40b6-a57f-5087e739b22b@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> well,ille keep taking the true hope, if i go without klonapin longer
> then a day,i go through hellish withdrawls, and i try and grit my
> teeth and take the pain. yes ive grown much more reclusive then i was
> when i was 19. the times im the least reclusive is when i wind up
> homeless, and i meet crazys as well. people that just sit and scream
> random shit or sit on the sidewalks rocking back and forth. poor
> souls. these people need help, and there is very little help for the
> mentally ill sometiems. lets pray for everyone, that god will give us
> higher quality lives and we wont have to suffer so much. I beleive
> Klonopin saved my life,iwas on edge,selfishly contimplating and
> walking toward a self inflicted exectution. im not going to give into
> suicide or hope that i dont, theres gotta be another way for me.

It is a little scary to take a drug that is addictive. For me, I follow an
exact routine of three per day. Morning, 2PM, and Bedtime I never miss a
dose, and I never take extra. Since 2005 I have managed to do my refills at
the minimum time allowed. Thus, over time I have built up a reserve supply.
If they cut me off, I could maintain my exact dosage for almost a year.

I hope to never go through withdrawals from the klonopin. I went through
Vicodin withdrawal once. I assume it might be similar.