Leaving Part 2

First let me put things into perspective. I have job, I'm pretty level
headed at the moment.

However, me and the wife had an in depth discussion last night. It
wasn't ugly it was quite calm and collected. She is scared that I will
flip out again due to my schizoaffective dis-order. Although at the
moment I'm quite fine. Well the long and short of it is she pretty
much wants me to leave. She is unable to support me if and when and
thats IF, I flip out again.

She scared of this happening. I supposed I don't blame her. I'm scared
of it happening as well. This is why I have not been fucking around
with my meds anymore. I'm doing want my psychiatrist is saying. I have
completely stopped smoking cannabis. I have the odd few beers at the
weekend.

I have an up and coming holiday to the UK this Christmas going on my
own. Maybe this will clear my head a bit. Seeing my family and
everything.

My feeling is, although I don't like it here I would not want to stop
my kids having a father. My previous wobble on this topic can be
thrown in the dustbin. I'm thinking a little clearer now. Although I'm
just sad about the whole situation.

Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.

By the way I'm in South Africa.

"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1189577303.944273.3190@19g2000hsx.googlegroup s.com...
> First let me put things into perspective. I have job, I'm pretty level
> headed at the moment.
>
> However, me and the wife had an in depth discussion last night. It
> wasn't ugly it was quite calm and collected. She is scared that I will
> flip out again due to my schizoaffective dis-order. Although at the
> moment I'm quite fine. Well the long and short of it is she pretty
> much wants me to leave. She is unable to support me if and when and
> thats IF, I flip out again.

It is scary for the patient and the spouse. Is there a support group for
your wife?

>
> She scared of this happening. I supposed I don't blame her. I'm scared
> of it happening as well. This is why I have not been fucking around
> with my meds anymore. I'm doing want my psychiatrist is saying. I have
> completely stopped smoking cannabis. I have the odd few beers at the
> weekend.
>

So you are trying.

> I have an up and coming holiday to the UK this Christmas going on my
> own. Maybe this will clear my head a bit. Seeing my family and
> everything.

My gut feeling is that you may regret taking this course.
>
> My feeling is, although I don't like it here I would not want to stop
> my kids having a father. My previous wobble on this topic can be
> thrown in the dustbin. I'm thinking a little clearer now. Although I'm
> just sad about the whole situation.
>
It is sad but not irrevocable.

> Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.

I believe your wife wants you to convince her that you love her and want to
be with her and the children.

Feel free to email me. I have experienced some of this.

meryl.n@gmail.com
>

Maybe you could tell your wife if you get sick again she can take up an
apartment until your doing better. To just separate with kids is hard and
maybe the two of you are in more love than you think. Don't give up on this
God wouldn't think this to be good and your kids will have problems believe
me. God's idea of a man and woman with kids is for our own sake and he knows
that by staying together things are always turning out better for all
concerned.

girl

"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1189577303.944273.3190@19g2000hsx.googlegroup s.com...
> First let me put things into perspective. I have job, I'm pretty level
> headed at the moment.
>
> However, me and the wife had an in depth discussion last night. It
> wasn't ugly it was quite calm and collected. She is scared that I will
> flip out again due to my schizoaffective dis-order. Although at the
> moment I'm quite fine. Well the long and short of it is she pretty
> much wants me to leave. She is unable to support me if and when and
> thats IF, I flip out again.
>
> She scared of this happening. I supposed I don't blame her. I'm scared
> of it happening as well. This is why I have not been fucking around
> with my meds anymore. I'm doing want my psychiatrist is saying. I have
> completely stopped smoking cannabis. I have the odd few beers at the
> weekend.
>
> I have an up and coming holiday to the UK this Christmas going on my
> own. Maybe this will clear my head a bit. Seeing my family and
> everything.
>
> My feeling is, although I don't like it here I would not want to stop
> my kids having a father. My previous wobble on this topic can be
> thrown in the dustbin. I'm thinking a little clearer now. Although I'm
> just sad about the whole situation.
>
> Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.
>

Chris,

It sounds like your wife is scared of you.

Social mores and relationships are difficult for many szers to handle.
It CAN be done.

And changes don't have to be "door slammers" either.
Just open one window and let in a little breathin space.
Life is often not an all or nothing situation.

Its possible for a series of small steps to create an emotional
accomadation.

Maybe you should take a series of small vacations apart from each other.
Take turns.
Especially through the shorter days and closeness of the winter months.

Maybe you should play boardgames with her, like maybe scrabble or
monopoly, once a week so so.....
That might help.

See a theripist.
Spelling.
Is it therapissed?
theryptist........
Thorough pist....
Know what,Chris?
I need more coffee.....
And to take my fish oil cap.

Damo

Hi Chris,

South Africa is a touch place to be if you are in a relationship
and also suffering from mental illness.
Been there, dun that.

The UK is a far better place to be for you.
At the moment you are able to hold a job, but thing can change
in the future, your illness may become worse, some say it is
degenerative. And what are your possibilities when your seriously
ill to take care of your family? I don't know if your wife has a job?
Maybe than helps when you are in delusion-ville.

Sometimes splitting and going your own way is better than
continuing your relationship. For instance here in the Netherlands
almost 50% of all mariages end up in a divorse. So it is no shame
really to end your relationship. Your wife may find a partner she
can rely on, to bring up the kids and you can go your own way.

Whatever you decide, there is no shame in leaving, maybe
it is for the better.

Berty

On Sep 12, 9:43 am, Adamski_Rasputin <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> South Africa is a touch place to be if you are in a relationship
> and also suffering from mental illness.
> Been there, dun that.
>
> The UK is a far better place to be for you.
> At the moment you are able to hold a job, but thing can change
> in the future, your illness may become worse, some say it is
> degenerative. And what are your possibilities when your seriously
> ill to take care of your family? I don't know if your wife has a job?
> Maybe than helps when you are in delusion-ville.
>
> Sometimes splitting and going your own way is better than
> continuing your relationship. For instance here in the Netherlands
> almost 50% of all mariages end up in a divorse. So it is no shame
> really to end your relationship. Your wife may find a partner she
> can rely on, to bring up the kids and you can go your own way.
>
> Whatever you decide, there is no shame in leaving, maybe
> it is for the better.
>
> Berty

Sounds like you're trying to talk him into leaving.

On 12 sep, 16:35, marcia <desi...@insight.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 9:43 am, Adamski_Rasputin <adamskiraspu...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > South Africa is a touch place to be if you are in a relationship
> > and also suffering from mental illness.
> > Been there, dun that.
>
> > The UK is a far better place to be for you.
> > At the moment you are able to hold a job, but thing can change
> > in the future, your illness may become worse, some say it is
> > degenerative. And what are your possibilities when your seriously
> > ill to take care of your family? I don't know if your wife has a job?
> > Maybe than helps when you are in delusion-ville.
>
> > Sometimes splitting and going your own way is better than
> > continuing your relationship. For instance here in the Netherlands
> > almost 50% of all mariages end up in a divorse. So it is no shame
> > really to end your relationship. Your wife may find a partner she
> > can rely on, to bring up the kids and you can go your own way.
>
> > Whatever you decide, there is no shame in leaving, maybe
> > it is for the better.
>
> > Berty
>
> Sounds like you're trying to talk him into leaving.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I keep all options open for him. There are enough post that say
he has to stay. He must decide for himself though.

Berty

> Whatever you decide, there is no shame in leaving, maybe
> it is for the better.
>
> Berty

try and stick things out but seriously man i know how you feel i want
to leave as well and enter into a realm with no more pains.

> Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.
>

Nope; but the problem is this :
Disorder or not : a relationship between 2 people whom also have
children is hard for an outsider to discuss .

Your wife and children are part of this and we cannot hear their voices
and opinion

My feeling on this is that maybe the whole disorder thing is just an
extra problem and not * the * problem. Having several disorders of my
own I know that they can be hard in a relationship but in the end it are
the day to day events that make a relation worthwhile or not

IMHO you are seeking our consent for a decision you have to make
I can understand that of course This is a difficult time for you
I can only support you in this way : Stand behind the decision you make
for the full 100 %

Greetings from Anna

On Sep 12, 1:08?am, ChrisC <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> First let me put things into perspective. I have job, I'm pretty level
> headed at the moment.

first of all, Chris, having a J.O B. on THIS forum is quite unique.

> However, me and the wife had an in depth discussion last night. It
> wasn't ugly it was quite calm and collected. She is scared that I will
> flip out again due to my schizoaffective dis-order.

flip out how? whadda ya do? twist'n shout, scream and rant?" i
mean... what does "flip out" mean in your world?

> Although at the
> moment I'm quite fine. Well the long and short of it is she pretty
> much wants me to leave.

Chris? i ain't you, but if sumbody wanted ME to leave, they'd be
lookin' at my back in about 8.2 seconds and i'd get my shit when i got
damn good'n ready ta bring tha cops wimme ta get it. that's NOT
advice, i just don't like bein' where i ain't wanted....BUT....

....ya said earlier you had kids. you gonna leave because SHE said
so? you have kids to deal with. i dunno where you life, but do you
have social services and legal counsel?

(oh yeah, and glocks?)

> She is unable to support me if and when and
> thats IF, I flip out again.

you have a job. is your employer threatening you to kick yer ass to
the curb should you "flip out?" or is "flippin out" HER term that
she uses to convince you that you''ll be fired, should you "flip out"
again?

does yer wife work? if not, maybe she's providing "insurance" for
herself so you do things "HER" way, and if she DOES work, maybe it may
be YOU supporting HER when SHE "flips out."

you are convinced, possibily medically and psychologically that yer
schizoid, or possibly by HER, ever think of that? maybe you are
convinced yer crazy because she doesn't wanna have the "LABEL ON HER
BACK ! "

WHY? oooooooooh, i could give ya lots'ah reasons, but not on this
forum. i'm gonna catch hell here for this particular conversation
with you, but a private conversation, i'd prefer. i get real
sensitive when people cuss me out ::smile::

(S u b n b e l l l e @ a o l . com is my email if you wanna talk
privately.)

it would kinda make stuff more clear to me to know if she's employed.
but yer not here to please me.

> She scared of this happening. I supposed I don't blame her.

again, what tha HELL do you do? GET NEKKID AND STOP TRAFFIC AND
SCREAM "I'M GOD, YER ALL GOIN' TA HELL?" i mean what do you DO when
you "flip out?"

> I'm scared
> of it happening as well. This is why I have not been fucking around
> with my meds anymore. I'm doing want my psychiatrist is saying. I have
> completely stopped smoking cannabis. I have the odd few beers at the
> weekend.

smokin' pot makes me panic, but i swear ta GOD if i could, i'd smoke
as much as i did when i was'ah kid, and i've never had an "odd beer"
so maybe we can't relate on that level.

> I have an up and coming holiday to the UK this Christmas going on my
> own. Maybe this will clear my head a bit. Seeing my family and
> everything.

i dunno you or her, but i'm thinkin' she has a hidden agenda. i just
get that feelin'.

> My feeling is, although I don't like it here I would not want to stop
> my kids having a father. My previous wobble on this topic can be
> thrown in the dustbin. I'm thinking a little clearer now. Although I'm
> just sad about the whole situation.
>
> Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.

my feelings are rarely taken into account cuz i'm a nutjob, but
still.... i think this chick is whack.

i'm thinkin' she's playin' you like'ah stradivarious violin at'ah
backyard hoe down cuz she has sumbody on tha side and you're REAL easy
to convince that you're a schitz case cuz you're pro-active in your
own psych arena. i will bet she even translates their diagnoses.

i bet ya a dollar to a donut that if she sat up in an ivory tower for
about 2 hours, we'd be havin' a throw down from tha floor down, if
she'd even go there.

my view is that you need to talk to social services, stop buyin' inta
"MISS THANG'S" bullshit, and possibly have a DNA test done to see if
those kids are even yours.

yeah, NOTHING she says and NOTHIN' i say may be what you wanna hear,
but guessie whattie.

you AIN'T gotten to tha bottom of this and won't be til you stand up
for yourself.

a chick can make a guy crazy, and convince him of most anything.

if i were you i'd pull myself apart from her, involve your OWN support
system, and have HER shakin' in her boots, cuz my first thought
is..... and y'all folks on this forum tell me to kiss yer asses, i
don't care...

is there's a CHANCE these kids ain't your biological children.

she's workin' WAY too hard, in my book, ta get you outta tha picture
and when she DOES, you're gonna be responsible for some stuff you MAY
not need to be responsible for.

she's CONVINCING you not to get into a legal battle with her, because
you're psycho.

so BAM, she automatically wins and gets all yer money, cuz yer too
scared to fight tha good fight.

another reason i say have a DNA test? (you ain't emotionally
connected to those kids.)

i could sit here and ask you about 50 questions that i already know
the answer to that would only lend credence to my suspicions, but then
agin, it's your life.

~tanya

again:

S u b n b e l l l e

@

a o l . c o m

put all that tagether without spaces and email me if ya want.

i'm not as dumb as i look.

(that would be impossible.)

xoxoxoxxoxo

~tanya (3 L's in my name, remember,,, Subnbell le@aol.com.)

On Sep 13, 3:45?am, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:

> Disorder or not : a relationship between 2 people whom also have
> children is hard for an outsider to discuss .

Anna? please stop making sense 8 posts after i felt like an idiot,
please do it before i start questioning myself as to why i'm even
sayin' stuff i wanna say but can't figger out why i'm sayin' it.

> Your wife and children are part of this and we cannot hear their voices
> and opinion
>
> My feeling on this is that maybe the whole disorder thing is just an
> extra problem and not * the * problem. Having several disorders of my
> own I know that they can be hard in a relationship but in the end it are
> the day to day events that make a relation worthwhile or not

AMEN... (i meant ta say that ^.)

> IMHO you are seeking our consent for a decision you have to make
> I can understand that of course This is a difficult time for you
> I can only support you in this way : Stand behind the decision you make
> for the full 100 %

i gotta disagree that he's seeking consent, i think maybe he's
confused, perhaps a little bit manipulated, frightened, and convinced
that he's "the problem" and possibly he senses that even though he has
"convincing evidence" on his table, that there maybe be something
missing in this enigma.

i think he may feel "outnumbered" and have a fear factor of these
people that's about a level 8.

i agree with standing behind his decision, i'd not sure he's where to
find the means to find what his decision is, as i get the feeling that
he's been "mothered" or "parented" so much in his lifetime that the
decision isn't something he can, with all due respect, find a path to,
solo.

me'n you? we'd be up in SUMbody's grill and makin' waves and creatin'
slaves ta get us tha info we needed and hirin' PI's ta see what's
what, but Anna? not everyone can dig deep for the motivation or even
the resouces that gettin' there requires.

(i'd just call you.)

WHERE YA BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN?

i missed yer ass !

~kissez from tanya

> Greetings from Anna

~tanya wrote:
> On Sep 13, 3:45?am, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:
>
>> Disorder or not : a relationship between 2 people whom also have
>> children is hard for an outsider to discuss .
>
> Anna? please stop making sense 8 posts after i felt like an idiot,
> please do it before i start questioning myself as to why i'm even
> sayin' stuff i wanna say but can't figger out why i'm sayin' it.

Ahhhhhhhh well that is part of your charming personality yes ?
>
>> Your wife and children are part of this and we cannot hear their voices
>> and opinion
>>
>> My feeling on this is that maybe the whole disorder thing is just an
>> extra problem and not * the * problem. Having several disorders of my
>> own I know that they can be hard in a relationship but in the end it are
>> the day to day events that make a relation worthwhile or not
>
> AMEN... (i meant ta say that ^.)

I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !
>
>> IMHO you are seeking our consent for a decision you have to make
>> I can understand that of course This is a difficult time for you
>> I can only support you in this way : Stand behind the decision you make
>> for the full 100 %
>
> i gotta disagree that he's seeking consent, i think maybe he's
> confused, perhaps a little bit manipulated, frightened, and convinced
> that he's "the problem" and possibly he senses that even though he has
> "convincing evidence" on his table, that there maybe be something
> missing in this enigma.

Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
seems to be missing sometimes ;-)

I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
part of the relation has her - his own story
In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
other person can fight or enable
>
> i think he may feel "outnumbered" and have a fear factor of these
> people that's about a level 8.

9 would be okayish too And I believe this fear to be very strong !
I am not even saying he shouldn't leave. I only think it would be fair
to make a rational choise instead of one out of fear
The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
his mind out of the hurting circumstances

> i agree with standing behind his decision, i'd not sure he's where to
> find the means to find what his decision is, as i get the feeling that
> he's been "mothered" or "parented" so much in his lifetime that the
> decision isn't something he can, with all due respect, find a path to,
> solo.

Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
while and get calm yes ?
>
> me'n you? we'd be up in SUMbody's grill and makin' waves and creatin'
> slaves ta get us tha info we needed and hirin' PI's ta see what's
> what, but Anna? not everyone can dig deep for the motivation or even
> the resouces that gettin' there requires.

Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
coping with ourselves and the world around us
>
> (i'd just call you.)
>
> WHERE YA BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN?

Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe

>
> i missed yer ass !

Well now long time ago someone said that to me
Thank you <blush>

Kiss on ya nose from Anna

On Sep 13, 6:52?am, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:

> >> My feeling on this is that maybe the whole disorder thing is just an
> >> extra problem and not * the * problem. Having several disorders of my
> >> own I know that they can be hard in a relationship but in the end it are
> >> the day to day events that make a relation worthwhile or not
>
> > AMEN... (i meant ta say that ^.)
>
> I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
> Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !

i'm movin' in yer house, i need guidance.


> > i gotta disagree that he's seeking consent, i think maybe he's
> > confused, perhaps a little bit manipulated, frightened, and convinced
> > that he's "the problem" and possibly he senses that even though he has
> > "convincing evidence" on his table, that there maybe be something
> > missing in this enigma.
>
> Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
> will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
> seems to be missing sometimes ;-)

AGREED ! if everything was "together" in my life, i'd FIND something
that didn't fit, trust me.

> I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
> At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
> part of the relation has her - his own story
> In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
> other person can fight or enable

exactly, someone said that to me in another post. ALL we have to deal
with is Chris's point of view, and i kinda think Chris is looking for
"permission" on this forum, and i could be VERY wrong, to go where he
needs to be to figger out what is to him, at this point, the "un-
figger-out-able."

> 9 would be okayish too And I believe this fear to be very strong !
> I am not even saying he shouldn't leave. I only think it would be fair
> to make a rational choise instead of one out of fear.

yes. fear can be extremely motivating when making choices, examples
are obvious.

> The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
> his mind out of the hurting circumstances

i agree. Chris may be looking for balance and his mind could possibly
be on one end of the spectrum or the other when actually, balance IS a
choice. middle ground sometimes doesn't seem like a "secure" choice,
and maybe a choice not to be reckoned with by an "either/or"
participant which Chris could or could not be dealing with, that
information isn't available to us by Chris.
>
> > i agree with standing behind his decision, i'd not sure he's where to
> > find the means to find what his decision is, as i get the feeling that
> > he's been "mothered" or "parented" so much in his lifetime that the
> > decision isn't something he can, with all due respect, find a path to,
> > solo.
>
> Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
> while and get calm yes ?

yes. i agree. when confusion seems to be prevelent, i would always
suggest a "time out" to possibly have a calmness inclusive of a
thought process exclusive of influence by anyone or anything.

> Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
> the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
> coping with ourselves and the world around us

i couldn't have said it better myself (of course.)

i DO think there are times to sans the labels, take deep breaths of
life, have alone time, and reach personal conclusions (or not) and
know that there's nothing is right or wrong, there's just "what
is." (aka acceptance.)

Chris could be overwhelmed by all the responses, i dunno... but he HAS
received many, and if were MY world, i'd sign off now and go spend
time with "me" and make a decision to not obligate myself to a
decision, and possibly meditate a little and spend some time in
jamaica (with tanya and Anna).... lalalala

sincerely, it's a good time to sign off and maybe have some "Chris"
time, and that's not unsolicited advice, just a thought inclusive of a
possible choice.

> Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe

oh keeeeeee-RISTE !

of course i forget people watch others, thank GOD i'm not important
enough to focus on !

(whad'm i wearin' ?)

> Kiss on ya nose from Anna

::hugglez:: !!!!!!!!

ya DO make me smile.

xoxoxoxo

~tanya

>> I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
>> Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !
>
> i'm movin' in yer house, i need guidance.

I have just made your bed and an apple pie
Guidance available 24/7 :-) Garden is open all day The hedgehog and toad
gave their permission :-) They both have a nasty character but we live
with it

>> Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
>> will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
>> seems to be missing sometimes ;-)
>
> AGREED ! if everything was "together" in my life, i'd FIND something
> that didn't fit, trust me.

My life is a very small life but never the less I CAN relate !!!!!
>
>> I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
>> At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
>> part of the relation has her - his own story
>> In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
>> other person can fight or enable
>
> exactly, someone said that to me in another post. ALL we have to deal
> with is Chris's point of view, and i kinda think Chris is looking for
> "permission" on this forum, and i could be VERY wrong, to go where he
> needs to be to figger out what is to him, at this point, the "un-
> figger-out-able."

"un-figger-out-able." Good expression That is it isn't it ?
The point of view of someone else is so hard to really see and feel
When reading Chis' posting it most likely give others including me
memories of things that happened to us and the decisions we made.
We are no blanc sheet huh ?

> yes. fear can be extremely motivating when making choices, examples
> are obvious.

Yup !
>
>> The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
>> his mind out of the hurting circumstances
>
> i agree. Chris may be looking for balance and his mind could possibly
> be on one end of the spectrum or the other when actually, balance IS a
> choice. middle ground sometimes doesn't seem like a "secure" choice,
> and maybe a choice not to be reckoned with by an "either/or"
> participant which Chris could or could not be dealing with, that
> information isn't available to us by Chris.

I think Balance is the word and key to to it all . When we are so
unsettled we cannot make choices anymore other than black or white.
It is hard to find some balance but much needed

>> Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
>> while and get calm yes ?
>
> yes. i agree. when confusion seems to be prevelent, i would always
> suggest a "time out" to possibly have a calmness inclusive of a
> thought process exclusive of influence by anyone or anything.

Yes that would be the key The others should give him this time
>
>> Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
>> the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
>> coping with ourselves and the world around us
>
> i couldn't have said it better myself (of course.)

Hehehehehe :-)
>
> i DO think there are times to sans the labels, take deep breaths of
> life, have alone time, and reach personal conclusions (or not) and
> know that there's nothing is right or wrong, there's just "what
> is." (aka acceptance.)

Yes the " what is" state of mind is the the best. We tend to live
forwards or backwards but here in the present life shapes itself.
We label so much -we don't have the time to invetigate where this labels
come from Ah well that is just IMHO
>
> Chris could be overwhelmed by all the responses, i dunno... but he HAS
> received many, and if were MY world, i'd sign off now and go spend
> time with "me" and make a decision to not obligate myself to a
> decision, and possibly meditate a little and spend some time in
> jamaica (with tanya and Anna).... lalalala

Yeah man great I think Jamaica is THE place to be right now
Lying around in the sun A little dive in the sea OMG I would love it.
meditation is always a good thing . Thoughts like clouds and just let
them float
>
> sincerely, it's a good time to sign off and maybe have some "Chris"
> time, and that's not unsolicited advice, just a thought inclusive of a
> possible choice.

Making no choise is also a choise something one tends to forget
It would be good for Chris to make a little step and see from there what
is good for him .
>
>> Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe
>
> oh keeeeeee-RISTE !
>
> of course i forget people watch others, thank GOD i'm not important
> enough to focus on !

Ahhhhhhhh there you are wrong missy You are rather unique to put it mildly !
>
> (whad'm i wearin' ?)

OMG granny's nightgown I thought it got lost in WW II
It looks nice on you though ;-)
>
>> Kiss on ya nose from Anna
>
> ::hugglez:: !!!!!!!!
>
> ya DO make me smile.

Ditto ma'am !

Tickle under the armpits

On Sep 13, 7:06 pm, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >> I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
> >> Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !
>
> > i'm movin' in yer house, i need guidance.
>
> I have just made your bed and an apple pie
> Guidance available 24/7 :-) Garden is open all day The hedgehog and toad
> gave their permission :-) They both have a nasty character but we live
> with it
>
> >> Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
> >> will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
> >> seems to be missing sometimes ;-)
>
> > AGREED ! if everything was "together" in my life, i'd FIND something
> > that didn't fit, trust me.
>
> My life is a very small life but never the less I CAN relate !!!!!
>
>
>
> >> I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
> >> At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
> >> part of the relation has her - his own story
> >> In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
> >> other person can fight or enable
>
> > exactly, someone said that to me in another post. ALL we have to deal
> > with is Chris's point of view, and i kinda think Chris is looking for
> > "permission" on this forum, and i could be VERY wrong, to go where he
> > needs to be to figger out what is to him, at this point, the "un-
> > figger-out-able."
>
> "un-figger-out-able." Good expression That is it isn't it ?
> The point of view of someone else is so hard to really see and feel
> When reading Chis' posting it most likely give others including me
> memories of things that happened to us and the decisions we made.
> We are no blanc sheet huh ?
>
> > yes. fear can be extremely motivating when making choices, examples
> > are obvious.
>
> Yup !
>
>
>
> >> The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
> >> his mind out of the hurting circumstances
>
> > i agree. Chris may be looking for balance and his mind could possibly
> > be on one end of the spectrum or the other when actually, balance IS a
> > choice. middle ground sometimes doesn't seem like a "secure" choice,
> > and maybe a choice not to be reckoned with by an "either/or"
> > participant which Chris could or could not be dealing with, that
> > information isn't available to us by Chris.
>
> I think Balance is the word and key to to it all . When we are so
> unsettled we cannot make choices anymore other than black or white.
> It is hard to find some balance but much needed
>
> >> Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
> >> while and get calm yes ?
>
> > yes. i agree. when confusion seems to be prevelent, i would always
> > suggest a "time out" to possibly have a calmness inclusive of a
> > thought process exclusive of influence by anyone or anything.
>
> Yes that would be the key The others should give him this time
>
>
>
> >> Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
> >> the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
> >> coping with ourselves and the world around us
>
> > i couldn't have said it better myself (of course.)
>
> Hehehehehe :-)
>
>
>
> > i DO think there are times to sans the labels, take deep breaths of
> > life, have alone time, and reach personal conclusions (or not) and
> > know that there's nothing is right or wrong, there's just "what
> > is." (aka acceptance.)
>
> Yes the " what is" state of mind is the the best. We tend to live
> forwards or backwards but here in the present life shapes itself.
> We label so much -we don't have the time to invetigate where this labels
> come from Ah well that is just IMHO
>
>
>
> > Chris could be overwhelmed by all the responses, i dunno... but he HAS
> > received many, and if were MY world, i'd sign off now and go spend
> > time with "me" and make a decision to not obligate myself to a
> > decision, and possibly meditate a little and spend some time in
> > jamaica (with tanya and Anna).... lalalala
>
> Yeah man great I think Jamaica is THE place to be right now
> Lying around in the sun A little dive in the sea OMG I would love it.
> meditation is always a good thing . Thoughts like clouds and just let
> them float
>
>
>
> > sincerely, it's a good time to sign off and maybe have some "Chris"
> > time, and that's not unsolicited advice, just a thought inclusive of a
> > possible choice.
>
> Making no choise is also a choise something one tends to forget
> It would be good for Chris to make a little step and see from there what
> is good for him .
>
>
>
> >> Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe
>
> > oh keeeeeee-RISTE !
>
> > of course i forget people watch others, thank GOD i'm not important
> > enough to focus on !
>
> Ahhhhhhhh there you are wrong missy You are rather unique to put it mildly !
>
>
>
> > (whad'm i wearin' ?)
>
> OMG granny's nightgown I thought it got lost in WW II
> It looks nice on you though ;-)
>
>
>
> >> Kiss on ya nose from Anna
>
> > ::hugglez:: !!!!!!!!
>
> > ya DO make me smile.
>
> Ditto ma'am !
>
> Tickle under the armpits

What does IMHO mean?

> What does IMHO mean?
>

IMHO = In my humble opinion

On Sep 13, 6:34 am, ~tanya <Subnbel...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 1:08?am, ChrisC <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > First let me put things into perspective. I have job, I'm pretty level
> > headed at the moment.
>
> first of all, Chris, having a J.O B. on THIS forum is quite unique.
>
> > However, me and the wife had an in depth discussion last night. It
> > wasn't ugly it was quite calm and collected. She is scared that I will
> > flip out again due to my schizoaffective dis-order.
>
> flip out how? whadda ya do? twist'n shout, scream and rant?" i
> mean... what does "flip out" mean in your world?
>
> > Although at the
> > moment I'm quite fine. Well the long and short of it is she pretty
> > much wants me to leave.
>
> Chris? i ain't you, but if sumbody wanted ME to leave, they'd be
> lookin' at my back in about 8.2 seconds and i'd get my shit when i got
> damn good'n ready ta bring tha cops wimme ta get it. that's NOT
> advice, i just don't like bein' where i ain't wanted....BUT....
>
> ...ya said earlier you had kids. you gonna leave because SHE said
> so? you have kids to deal with. i dunno where you life, but do you
> have social services and legal counsel?
>
> (oh yeah, and glocks?)
>
> > She is unable to support me if and when and
> > thats IF, I flip out again.
>
> you have a job. is your employer threatening you to kick yer ass to
> the curb should you "flip out?" or is "flippin out" HER term that
> she uses to convince you that you''ll be fired, should you "flip out"
> again?
>
> does yer wife work? if not, maybe she's providing "insurance" for
> herself so you do things "HER" way, and if she DOES work, maybe it may
> be YOU supporting HER when SHE "flips out."
>
> you are convinced, possibily medically and psychologically that yer
> schizoid, or possibly by HER, ever think of that? maybe you are
> convinced yer crazy because she doesn't wanna have the "LABEL ON HER
> BACK ! "
>
> WHY? oooooooooh, i could give ya lots'ah reasons, but not on this
> forum. i'm gonna catch hell here for this particular conversation
> with you, but a private conversation, i'd prefer. i get real
> sensitive when people cuss me out ::smile::
>
> (S u b n b e l l l e @ a o l . com is my email if you wanna talk
> privately.)
>
> it would kinda make stuff more clear to me to know if she's employed.
> but yer not here to please me.
>
> > She scared of this happening. I supposed I don't blame her.
>
> again, what tha HELL do you do? GET NEKKID AND STOP TRAFFIC AND
> SCREAM "I'M GOD, YER ALL GOIN' TA HELL?" i mean what do you DO when
> you "flip out?"
>
> > I'm scared
> > of it happening as well. This is why I have not been fucking around
> > with my meds anymore. I'm doing want my psychiatrist is saying. I have
> > completely stopped smoking cannabis. I have the odd few beers at the
> > weekend.
>
> smokin' pot makes me panic, but i swear ta GOD if i could, i'd smoke
> as much as i did when i was'ah kid, and i've never had an "odd beer"
> so maybe we can't relate on that level.
>
> > I have an up and coming holiday to the UK this Christmas going on my
> > own. Maybe this will clear my head a bit. Seeing my family and
> > everything.
>
> i dunno you or her, but i'm thinkin' she has a hidden agenda. i just
> get that feelin'.
>
> > My feeling is, although I don't like it here I would not want to stop
> > my kids having a father. My previous wobble on this topic can be
> > thrown in the dustbin. I'm thinking a little clearer now. Although I'm
> > just sad about the whole situation.
>
> > Would it be to much trouble to ask peoples views please.
>
> my feelings are rarely taken into account cuz i'm a nutjob, but
> still.... i think this chick is whack.
>
> i'm thinkin' she's playin' you like'ah stradivarious violin at'ah
> backyard hoe down cuz she has sumbody on tha side and you're REAL easy
> to convince that you're a schitz case cuz you're pro-active in your
> own psych arena. i will bet she even translates their diagnoses.
>
> i bet ya a dollar to a donut that if she sat up in an ivory tower for
> about 2 hours, we'd be havin' a throw down from tha floor down, if
> she'd even go there.
>
> my view is that you need to talk to social services, stop buyin' inta
> "MISS THANG'S" bullshit, and possibly have a DNA test done to see if
> those kids are even yours.
>
> yeah, NOTHING she says and NOTHIN' i say may be what you wanna hear,
> but guessie whattie.
>
> you AIN'T gotten to tha bottom of this and won't be til you stand up
> for yourself.
>
> a chick can make a guy crazy, and convince him of most anything.
>
> if i were you i'd pull myself apart from her, involve your OWN support
> system, and have HER shakin' in her boots, cuz my first thought
> is..... and y'all folks on this forum tell me to kiss yer asses, i
> don't care...
>
> is there's a CHANCE these kids ain't your biological children.
>
> she's workin' WAY too hard, in my book, ta get you outta tha picture
> and when she DOES, you're gonna be responsible for some stuff you MAY
> not need to be responsible for.
>
> she's CONVINCING you not to get into a legal battle with her, because
> you're psycho.
>
> so BAM, she automatically wins and gets all yer money, cuz yer too
> scared to fight tha good fight.
>
> another reason i say have a DNA test? (you ain't emotionally
> connected to those kids.)
>
> i could sit here and ask you about 50 questions that i already know
> the answer to that would only lend credence to my suspicions, but then
> agin, it's your life.
>
> ~tanya
>
> again:
>
> S u b n b e l l l e
>
> @
>
> a o l . c o m
>
> put all that tagether without spaces and email me if ya want.
>
> i'm not as dumb as i look.
>
> (that would be impossible.)
>
> xoxoxoxxoxo
>
> ~tanya (3 L's in my name, remember,,, Subnbell l...@aol.com.)


Please leave

Ronan wrote:
> On Sep 13, 7:06 pm, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>> I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
>>>> Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !
>>> i'm movin' in yer house, i need guidance.
>> I have just made your bed and an apple pie
>> Guidance available 24/7 :-) Garden is open all day The hedgehog and toad
>> gave their permission :-) They both have a nasty character but we live
>> with it
>>
>>>> Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
>>>> will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
>>>> seems to be missing sometimes ;-)
>>> AGREED ! if everything was "together" in my life, i'd FIND something
>>> that didn't fit, trust me.
>> My life is a very small life but never the less I CAN relate !!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>> I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
>>>> At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
>>>> part of the relation has her - his own story
>>>> In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
>>>> other person can fight or enable
>>> exactly, someone said that to me in another post. ALL we have to deal
>>> with is Chris's point of view, and i kinda think Chris is looking for
>>> "permission" on this forum, and i could be VERY wrong, to go where he
>>> needs to be to figger out what is to him, at this point, the "un-
>>> figger-out-able."
>> "un-figger-out-able." Good expression That is it isn't it ?
>> The point of view of someone else is so hard to really see and feel
>> When reading Chis' posting it most likely give others including me
>> memories of things that happened to us and the decisions we made.
>> We are no blanc sheet huh ?
>>
>>> yes. fear can be extremely motivating when making choices, examples
>>> are obvious.
>> Yup !
>>
>>
>>
>>>> The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
>>>> his mind out of the hurting circumstances
>>> i agree. Chris may be looking for balance and his mind could possibly
>>> be on one end of the spectrum or the other when actually, balance IS a
>>> choice. middle ground sometimes doesn't seem like a "secure" choice,
>>> and maybe a choice not to be reckoned with by an "either/or"
>>> participant which Chris could or could not be dealing with, that
>>> information isn't available to us by Chris.
>> I think Balance is the word and key to to it all . When we are so
>> unsettled we cannot make choices anymore other than black or white.
>> It is hard to find some balance but much needed
>>
>>>> Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
>>>> while and get calm yes ?
>>> yes. i agree. when confusion seems to be prevelent, i would always
>>> suggest a "time out" to possibly have a calmness inclusive of a
>>> thought process exclusive of influence by anyone or anything.
>> Yes that would be the key The others should give him this time
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
>>>> the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
>>>> coping with ourselves and the world around us
>>> i couldn't have said it better myself (of course.)
>> Hehehehehe :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>> i DO think there are times to sans the labels, take deep breaths of
>>> life, have alone time, and reach personal conclusions (or not) and
>>> know that there's nothing is right or wrong, there's just "what
>>> is." (aka acceptance.)
>> Yes the " what is" state of mind is the the best. We tend to live
>> forwards or backwards but here in the present life shapes itself.
>> We label so much -we don't have the time to invetigate where this labels
>> come from Ah well that is just IMHO
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chris could be overwhelmed by all the responses, i dunno... but he HAS
>>> received many, and if were MY world, i'd sign off now and go spend
>>> time with "me" and make a decision to not obligate myself to a
>>> decision, and possibly meditate a little and spend some time in
>>> jamaica (with tanya and Anna).... lalalala
>> Yeah man great I think Jamaica is THE place to be right now
>> Lying around in the sun A little dive in the sea OMG I would love it.
>> meditation is always a good thing . Thoughts like clouds and just let
>> them float
>>
>>
>>
>>> sincerely, it's a good time to sign off and maybe have some "Chris"
>>> time, and that's not unsolicited advice, just a thought inclusive of a
>>> possible choice.
>> Making no choise is also a choise something one tends to forget
>> It would be good for Chris to make a little step and see from there what
>> is good for him .
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe
>>> oh keeeeeee-RISTE !
>>> of course i forget people watch others, thank GOD i'm not important
>>> enough to focus on !
>> Ahhhhhhhh there you are wrong missy You are rather unique to put it mildly !
>>
>>
>>
>>> (whad'm i wearin' ?)
>> OMG granny's nightgown I thought it got lost in WW II
>> It looks nice on you though ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Kiss on ya nose from Anna
>>> ::hugglez:: !!!!!!!!
>>> ya DO make me smile.
>> Ditto ma'am !
>>
>> Tickle under the armpits
>
> What does IMHO mean?
>

In my honest opinion So it refers to "it is my opinnion"

On Sep 13, 3:45 am, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:

> My feeling on this is that maybe the whole disorder thing is just an
> extra problem and not * the * problem.

(hallerluyer) THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT !

I WANTED to say somethin' like that, but i didn't wanna sound rude, so
the way you said it was MUCH better, even respectful.

thank you, ANNA !

(well, i really wanted to say that this "condition" is becoming a 3rd
party in the relationship, invited, and being possibly used as an
excuse for both of the focal parties involved when an excuse isn't
necessary. this tells me there's a HUGE communication problem when a
disorder has become the a party to action within a relationship...
and probably unwittingly, but nevertheless, it seems you're
communicating through a disorder which may or may not exist. i have
more to say about that, but i won't, cuz it wouldn't be appropriate.

so what you said, Anna, was about half of what wanted to say, so
again, thank you !

> they can be hard in a relationship but in the end it are
> the day to day events that make a relation worthwhile or not

i might add that defining your relationship may be an option, and who
is involved, what is involved and allowed in, and maybe setting some
guidelines for speaking with one another. it seems that there's a
peckin' order in this relationship that could be done away with unless
there are ulterior motives that are existing, unspoken, yet
unrelenting, and a blame game is in place to avoid responsibility for
actions within the relationship or externally.

> IMHO you are seeking our consent for a decision you have to make
> I can understand that of course This is a difficult time for you
> I can only support you in this way : Stand behind the decision you make
> for the full 100 %

i personally think the decision has been made where at least one party
involved.

why do i think that?

it ain't my first day at tha rodeo.

speak your piece, own it, you are the sum total of your equipment. be
strong, be self-reliant, otherwise you will be destroyed. (whadda pity
both parties aren't present.)

make your decision, make it loud, make it proud and when someone says
"is that your decision?" look them squarely in the eyes and say "YES,
yes it is."

Chris? i think i would, if i were in your loafers, i'd be seeing my
favorite color, which is "clear."

she is as transparent as my non-existent undies.

i have faith that i would be saying:

"your decision is evident, and STOP the "crazy agenda" with me, it
ain't MY first day at the rodeo."

i KNOW i would continue with "and i may NOT be the sharpest knife in
the gun rack in your eyes. i'm no longer in denial regarding your
decision. i don't CARE what motivates it. whether or not i'm
schizophrenic is NOT an issue. STOP making it one.

"... and if you think i'm crazy NOW, just watch my smoke."

and almost lastly:

"you are NO longer allowed to fuck wimme, or honeychile, yer stuck
wimme."

finally:

"GET on with your life, i have work to do, YOU ARE DISMISSED."

(...holy shit, i turned inta joan crawford.)

and carry on.

it's obvious what time it is, Chris, you know it, i know it, she knows
it, and it's time ta stop scratchin' yer watch and windin' yer ass.

so i said it. nobody else would, so i did. i'm always tha bad guy !

NOOOOOOOOOO WIREEEEEEEE HANGERSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get on with your life, fight for your children (if that's your wish)
and STOP playing her game. YOU HAVE WORK TO DO !

and Merry Christmas.

good day.

~tanya


(sorry i intruded on your post, Anna, but it's been one'ah those
days..... xoxoxoxox)

On Sep 13, 1:18?pm, Ronan <ronanqu...@eircom.net> wrote:

>
> What does IMHO mean?

in my humble opinion

On Sep 13, 2:51?pm, Vicki <vi...@scottishmail.co.uk> wrote:


> Please leave

boy, if i had'ah nickel for everytime i'd heard THAT !

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:40 +0200, Anna <kojech@planet.nl> wrote:

>Ronan wrote:
>> On Sep 13, 7:06 pm, Anna <koj...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>>> I knew that, so I thought maybe I write it down for you
>>>>> Glad to be of assistance Miss Tanya !
>>>> i'm movin' in yer house, i need guidance.
>>> I have just made your bed and an apple pie
>>> Guidance available 24/7 :-) Garden is open all day The hedgehog and toad
>>> gave their permission :-) They both have a nasty character but we live
>>> with it
>>>
>>>>> Yes this is true ! OTOH life is an enigma and I am pretty sure one piece
>>>>> will always be missing That is at its best In my life the whole puzzle
>>>>> seems to be missing sometimes ;-)
>>>> AGREED ! if everything was "together" in my life, i'd FIND something
>>>> that didn't fit, trust me.
>>> My life is a very small life but never the less I CAN relate !!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I strongly feel it is hard to support one person in a relation
>>>>> At best the person believes and feels what he/she says But the other
>>>>> part of the relation has her - his own story
>>>>> In the end it takes two to tango If one person does something - the
>>>>> other person can fight or enable
>>>> exactly, someone said that to me in another post. ALL we have to deal
>>>> with is Chris's point of view, and i kinda think Chris is looking for
>>>> "permission" on this forum, and i could be VERY wrong, to go where he
>>>> needs to be to figger out what is to him, at this point, the "un-
>>>> figger-out-able."
>>> "un-figger-out-able." Good expression That is it isn't it ?
>>> The point of view of someone else is so hard to really see and feel
>>> When reading Chis' posting it most likely give others including me
>>> memories of things that happened to us and the decisions we made.
>>> We are no blanc sheet huh ?
>>>
>>>> yes. fear can be extremely motivating when making choices, examples
>>>> are obvious.
>>> Yup !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The middle ground could be to go away but stay nearby So he can make up
>>>>> his mind out of the hurting circumstances
>>>> i agree. Chris may be looking for balance and his mind could possibly
>>>> be on one end of the spectrum or the other when actually, balance IS a
>>>> choice. middle ground sometimes doesn't seem like a "secure" choice,
>>>> and maybe a choice not to be reckoned with by an "either/or"
>>>> participant which Chris could or could not be dealing with, that
>>>> information isn't available to us by Chris.
>>> I think Balance is the word and key to to it all . When we are so
>>> unsettled we cannot make choices anymore other than black or white.
>>> It is hard to find some balance but much needed
>>>
>>>>> Yup I see this point Maybe that's why it is better to move out for a
>>>>> while and get calm yes ?
>>>> yes. i agree. when confusion seems to be prevelent, i would always
>>>> suggest a "time out" to possibly have a calmness inclusive of a
>>>> thought process exclusive of influence by anyone or anything.
>>> Yes that would be the key The others should give him this time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Ahhhhhhhhhh so true And knowing our own motivation and look it deep in
>>>>> the eyes is what gets us through the day. We are all so different in
>>>>> coping with ourselves and the world around us
>>>> i couldn't have said it better myself (of course.)
>>> Hehehehehe :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> i DO think there are times to sans the labels, take deep breaths of
>>>> life, have alone time, and reach personal conclusions (or not) and
>>>> know that there's nothing is right or wrong, there's just "what
>>>> is." (aka acceptance.)
>>> Yes the " what is" state of mind is the the best. We tend to live
>>> forwards or backwards but here in the present life shapes itself.
>>> We label so much -we don't have the time to invetigate where this labels
>>> come from Ah well that is just IMHO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chris could be overwhelmed by all the responses, i dunno... but he HAS
>>>> received many, and if were MY world, i'd sign off now and go spend
>>>> time with "me" and make a decision to not obligate myself to a
>>>> decision, and possibly meditate a little and spend some time in
>>>> jamaica (with tanya and Anna).... lalalala
>>> Yeah man great I think Jamaica is THE place to be right now
>>> Lying around in the sun A little dive in the sea OMG I would love it.
>>> meditation is always a good thing . Thoughts like clouds and just let
>>> them float
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> sincerely, it's a good time to sign off and maybe have some "Chris"
>>>> time, and that's not unsolicited advice, just a thought inclusive of a
>>>> possible choice.
>>> Making no choise is also a choise something one tends to forget
>>> It would be good for Chris to make a little step and see from there what
>>> is good for him .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Always here and watching you missy ! Never forget that hehe
>>>> oh keeeeeee-RISTE !
>>>> of course i forget people watch others, thank GOD i'm not important
>>>> enough to focus on !
>>> Ahhhhhhhh there you are wrong missy You are rather unique to put it mildly !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> (whad'm i wearin' ?)
>>> OMG granny's nightgown I thought it got lost in WW II
>>> It looks nice on you though ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Kiss on ya nose from Anna
>>>> ::hugglez:: !!!!!!!!
>>>> ya DO make me smile.
>>> Ditto ma'am !
>>>
>>> Tickle under the armpits
>>
>> What does IMHO mean?
>>



>In my honest opinion So it refers to "it is my opinnion"

<waving at Miss Anna>
Would it be your 'honest opinion' that PIE is the key to life? :-D

Hugs,
Gigglz the H.H.