morality more important than rationality

it's ok to sacrifice your reasoning if there is a moral matter than needs to
take the forefront of your thinking.

moral thinking involves doubt, even self doubt.

this helps teasing out implicit beliefs which can then be examined, and
discarded

even self-contradictory and misleading evidence can be turned over in the
imagination, with reasoning postpone

morality is about real-world people, families, communities and how to live
in them, not dusty religious books

morality is about how you live your life

-- kez

1, Pain is evil, relief is good; there is no other morality!
2. Actions bring reactions that return with equal worth; there is no
other justice!
3. Zero equals minus one plus one, therefore, minus one plus one
equals zero; there is no other law!

On Mar 26, 6:53 am, gellie...@webtv.net (Miguel Alberto) wrote:
> 1, Pain is evil, relief is good; there is no other morality!
> 2. Actions bring reactions that return with equal worth; there is no
> other justice!
> 3. Zero equals minus one plus one, therefore, minus one plus one
> equals zero; there is no other law!

but if you have zero as it pertains to property or anything that is
tangible you can not take away anything from it... sometimes the
greatest question is what have I got to loose? where-as if you have
less than nothing you are in fact in debit...

"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1819-47EA2B18-3@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> 1, Pain is evil, relief is good; there is no other morality!
> 2. Actions bring reactions that return with equal worth; there is no
> other justice!
> 3. Zero equals minus one plus one, therefore, minus one plus one
> equals zero; there is no other law!

do no harn, do what you will

that's an alternative morality
it's actions, not words that makes a person

what about godel and maths - maths is a human construct
what about non-euclidian geometry?

if you cause harm, that makes you a bad person, right?
then what do you do to rehabilate, do you say sorry, honest mistake,
or do you volunteer yourself for revenge, invite it,
like self-flagilating

penance

-- kez

On 26 ožu, 11:53, gellie...@webtv.net (Miguel Alberto) wrote:
> 1, * *Pain is evil, relief is good; there is no other morality!
> 2. * *Actions bring reactions that return with equal worth; there is no
> other justice!
> 3. * *Zero equals minus one plus one, therefore, minus one plus one
> equals zero; there is no other law!

Not everybody who relieves your pain is automatically good. Lucifer
will ask your soul in return for relieving pain.

Therefore we must say no to him and embrace the pain.

It doesn't say that anyone who relieves your pain is necessarily
good. It says, "relief is good".
Ultimately, every Christian admits to me that I'm right.
Christians may fast, give up pleasures, and even martyr themselves. Why?
To avoid the threatened eternal pain of Hell. They choose the lesser
evil. Let's face it: Christianity, and most of the other religions are
FEAR religions.
I'm a Christian too, but, I'm not going to lie to myself. I am
desperately trying to prove that the threat of eternal punishment is a
superstitious mistake based on Plato's unsubstiantiated lie that the
"soul" is immortal. And Plato was an elitist pagan.
The Greek for "eternal damnation" in the Gospel is "aioniu
amartaematos", an aeon, averiging a thousand years, of failure. I
remember experiencing 42 such cycles, body switching to different
tormented bodies for about a thousand years until I got one of my
duplicate bodies back in time and started over.
I must admit that I was involuntarily given large doses of LSD in
the bug house in the Sixties, in THEIR attempt to cure my schizophrenia.
This happened to another member here, and several other members of
Alchemy61. We are getting together and rising up, and exposing these
"Sacred Mysteries".
Such "transpersonal" states can be acheived by the vagal
stimulation technique taught in http://www.holotropic.com .
Coincidently, crucifixion causes extreme vagal stimulation this way.
All the legends of Hell have come from where us "initiates" have
been. My cousin is so off the walls over problems that he is having this
year that he is ready to jump right back in and try to master it. He
will be able to even body switch into the body of the President and set
things straight. Then he says he should be able to go back to a "hole in
timespace" he left on September 24, 1984. Practice makes perfect.

"Miguel Alberto" <gellie618@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22806-47EC296A-46@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> It doesn't say that anyone who relieves your pain is necessarily
> good. It says, "relief is good".
> Ultimately, every Christian admits to me that I'm right.
> Christians may fast, give up pleasures, and even martyr themselves. Why?
> To avoid the threatened eternal pain of Hell. They choose the lesser
> evil. Let's face it: Christianity, and most of the other religions are
> FEAR religions.
> I'm a Christian too, but, I'm not going to lie to myself. I am
> desperately trying to prove that the threat of eternal punishment is a
> superstitious mistake based on Plato's unsubstiantiated lie that the
> "soul" is immortal. And Plato was an elitist pagan.
> The Greek for "eternal damnation" in the Gospel is "aioniu
> amartaematos", an aeon, averiging a thousand years, of failure. I
> remember experiencing 42 such cycles, body switching to different
> tormented bodies for about a thousand years until I got one of my
> duplicate bodies back in time and started over.

this must be some church doctrine i haven't heard of

what happens after your endless cycles of hell (on earth)
are you eventually forgiven by christ and admitted to heaven/paradise?

-- kez

I'll find out if it happens again or not. This is personal
experience. I must admit that in the Sixties large doses of LSD were
forced upon me in the bug house in an attempt to cure my schizophrenia.
But, I think it was actually a "clockwork orange", Iko Awo type mind
control attempt.