Really, really Disturbing Dreams.

I'm currently taking Beta Blockers 40mg morning, 40mg at night. I
think I'm going to forgo the night dose as I'm getting really intense
nightmares. I'm also looking very tired. I read that Beta Blockers
lower the brains natural release of Melatonin. So I'm going to take
only 40mg in the morning.

do you have high blood pressure?


"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm currently taking Beta Blockers 40mg morning, 40mg at night. I
> think I'm going to forgo the night dose as I'm getting really intense
> nightmares. I'm also looking very tired. I read that Beta Blockers
> lower the brains natural release of Melatonin. So I'm going to take
> only 40mg in the morning.
>

On Apr 23, 3:51 pm, "thegathaterra" <lynnevan...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> do you have high blood pressure?


Borderline. I'm an Anxiety sufferer.

On Apr 23, 3:51 pm, "thegathaterra" <lynnevan...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> do you have high blood pressure?
>

I mean. Why the dreams? I don't understand it. They don't effect the
brain, just the heart...do they?

"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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| On Apr 23, 3:51 pm, "thegathaterra" <lynnevan...@bigpond.com> wrote:
| > do you have high blood pressure?
| >
|
| I mean. Why the dreams? I don't understand it. They don't effect the
| brain, just the heart...do they?

I had dreams as vivid as Total Recall while I was on meds, and that was a year
before the movie was released. Beta-blockers was one of them. Not every
side-effect is included in the medical literature, so trying to get a doctor to
comprehend what ain't written by the authorities becomes a seemingly pointless
task.

"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 23, 3:51 pm, "thegathaterra" <lynnevan...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> do you have high blood pressure?
>>
>
> I mean. Why the dreams? I don't understand it. They don't effect the
> brain, just the heart...do they?
>

Sleep disturbance and nightmares are a common side effect of beta blockers.
The more lipophilic the drug in question the more pronounced this effect as
it is easier for the molecules to cross the blood/brain barrier. I quite
enjoy the vivid dreams mine give me, some of them are quite interesting.

What kind of dreams ?


"ChrisC" <chrispche@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm currently taking Beta Blockers 40mg morning, 40mg at night. I
> think I'm going to forgo the night dose as I'm getting really intense
> nightmares. I'm also looking very tired. I read that Beta Blockers
> lower the brains natural release of Melatonin. So I'm going to take
> only 40mg in the morning.
>

On 23 Apr, 14:14, ChrisC <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently taking Beta Blockers 40mg morning, 40mg at night. I
> think I'm going to forgo the night dose as I'm getting really intense
> nightmares. I'm also looking very tired. I read that Beta Blockers
> lower the brains natural release of Melatonin. So I'm going to take
> only 40mg in the morning.

try to talk to your psyche dr. before stopping a medication, if this
isn't possible DON'T just stop, reduce your dose GRADUALLY. good luck

On Apr 25, 11:14 am, "slobbodon" <immunitydisord...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> What kind of dreams ?
>
> "ChrisC" <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177334088.315549.137690@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > I'm currently taking Beta Blockers 40mg morning, 40mg at night. I
> > think I'm going to forgo the night dose as I'm getting really intense
> > nightmares. I'm also looking very tired. I read that Beta Blockers
> > lower the brains natural release of Melatonin. So I'm going to take
> > only 40mg in the morning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I'm sure I could have got a novel out of last nights dream. I was
living in some kind of oppressive regime in the future. Where all your
thoughts were sent as letters to the government. We all lived in fear
because who can control there thoughts. Some scary situations arose
and I'm not going into it now. I'd just rather put that dream to bed
as it were.

"I'd just rather put that dream to bed as it were."

A lot of things I've read in various psych literature have said that
people can often get a *particular* nightmare to go away by simply
contemplating the beginning of the dream several times during the
evening, and then also contemplating a different resolution to the
dream. I have suggested this to various patients and some said it
worked for them, and some said they saw no result - so I really have
no idea on it.

I do know that if you ARE dreaming at all, you are having reasonably
decent sleep architecture, which is desirable, and can be destroyed or
reduced by any number of psych meds; so in that regard, I'd say it's
not so bad. Obviously nightmares are unpleasant, but you get to have
that "oh, wow, it's so excellent that was just a dream" *thing* when
you wake up.

I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you.

Gary

On Apr 26, 3:52�am, ChrisC <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 11:14 am, "slobbodon" <immunitydisord...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > What kind of dreams *?

> Well I'm sure I could have got a novel out of last nights dream. I was
> living in some kind of oppressive regime in the future. Where all your
> thoughts were sent as letters to the government. We all lived in fear
> because who can control there thoughts. Some scary situations arose
> and I'm not going into it now. I'd just rather put that dream to bed
> as it were.

(was yer name "steve'?)

JUST CHECKIN', DON'T GET MAD !

On Apr 26, 1:33�pm, Gary <nef5h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *"I'd just rather put that dream to bed as it were."

> people can often get a *particular* nightmare to go away by

callin' da po pooooooos.

> contemplating the beginning of the dream several times during the
> evening, and then also contemplating a different resolution to the
> dream.

o
m
g

yer makin' me hot.

> *I have suggested this to various patients and some said it
> worked for them, and some said they saw no result - so I really have
> no idea on it.

result: "moisture."

> I do know that if you ARE dreaming at all, you are having reasonably
> decent sleep architecture,

stop fantasizin', it makes me real jealous.

> which is desirable, and can be destroyed or
> reduced by any number of psych meds; so in that regard, I'd say it's
> not so bad. *Obviously nightmares are unpleasant, but you get to have
> that "oh, wow, it's so excellent that was just a dream" *thing* when
> you wake up.

so that wet sloppy kiss and tha "i luv yewwww baby's" was all'ah
dream?

now i'm mad.

> I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you.

i'm sure you would !

(i wanna D-I-V-O-R-C-E !)

~tanya (::fallin' ta pieces:

On Apr 26, 4:11 pm, ~tanya <Subnbel...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:33?pm, Gary <nef5h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > ?"I'd just rather put that dream to bed as it were."
> > people can often get a *particular* nightmare to go away by
>
> callin' da po pooooooos.
>
> > contemplating the beginning of the dream several times during the
> > evening, and then also contemplating a different resolution to the
> > dream.
>
> o
> m
> g
>
> yer makin' me hot.
>
> > ?I have suggested this to various patients and some said it
> > worked for them, and some said they saw no result - so I really have
> > no idea on it.
>
> result: "moisture."
>
> > I do know that if you ARE dreaming at all, you are having reasonably
> > decent sleep architecture,
>
> stop fantasizin', it makes me real jealous.
>
> > which is desirable, and can be destroyed or
> > reduced by any number of psych meds; so in that regard, I'd say it's
> > not so bad. ?Obviously nightmares are unpleasant, but you get to have
> > that "oh, wow, it's so excellent that was just a dream" *thing* when
> > you wake up.
>
> so that wet sloppy kiss and tha "i luv yewwww baby's" was all'ah
> dream?
>
> now i'm mad.
>
> > I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you.
>
> i'm sure you would !
>
> (i wanna D-I-V-O-R-C-E !)
>
> ~tanya (::fallin' ta pieces:

Aloha tanya!

Just wanted you to know that THIS time, you did a good job of
Freudalizing Gary's posts. I actually thought you showed some real
creative 'genius' there. thanks!

Aloha For Now,
Hawaiian Wayne

yer so crazy! LOL

xoxo , G

Gary $B$N%a%C%;!<%8(B:
> yer so crazy! LOL
>
> xoxo , G


Hi there, Gary,

my family are a good example being study , anyone paranoid>?

Yoko

I feel like I am a Doc already,

Beta blockers are usually prescribed for high blood pressure. But,
beta blockers are also put in atypical antipsychotic drugs. Beta
blockers cause asthmatics pneumonia in about a week. Beta blockers allow
allergy symptoms to rage out of control. Vasodialators will replace beta
blockers to reduce blood pressure. Vasodialators are as good and even
better than beta blockers in lowering blood pressure. Also a heart
medication like Cardizem is a vasodialator. It opens cardiac blood flow,
and lowers blood presure, but it has a warning to stay out of the sun.
Hot sunlight can cause migraine headaches for people taking
vasodialators.
Beta blockers block beta site adrenalin reception and therefore
are mood depressants. Beta blockers will cause dangerous (possibly
suicidal) depression in bipolar manic-depressive patients and people
with depression, therefore they are certainly not conducive to happy
dreams.
Also, dopamine blockers, by blocking dopamine, the reward
neurotransmitter of the brain, are certainly dangerous (posssible
suicide) for bipolar manic-depressive patients and people with
depression.
The atypical antipsychotic drugs are especially dangerous for
bipolar manic-depressive patients and people with depresson. They are a
double whammy with dopamine blockers and beta blockers. In fact they are
a quadruple whammy, with dopamine blockers, beta blockers, seratonin
blockers and mild acetylcholine blockers. Antidepressive drugs try to
enhance seratonin, so why block seratonin? They have mild seratonin
blockers; LSD is a strong seratonin blocker, so they certainly aren't
intended to stop hallucinations. They are actually to keep patients sick
to further financially support the psychiatric industry.

On Apr 26, 9:33 pm, Gary <nef5h...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you.
>
> Gary

Well the Melatonin seems to help, I do get dreams, but there not so
disturbing. I'm reducing my dose of Beta Blockers now so that might be
helping.