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Old 06-26-2008, 01:13 PM
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Default Schizophrenia management using Dianetics technology - what the drugcompanies would rather you didn't know

You can use Dianetics technology to effectively manage the condition
you may know as 'schizophrenia'.

You should immediately stop taking drugs (unless you actually want to
harm yourself).

Come in for a free auditing session. The psychiatry criminals have a
lot to answer for.




New Era Dianetics (NED) spiritual technology contains L. Ron Hubbard’s
ultimate refinements of Dianetics auditing. He developed it following
discoveries he made in 1978. Using New Era Dianetics technology,
preclears can achieve the goals of Dianetics much, much faster than
any early Dianeticist might have believed possible.
The reactive mind plagues a person with the unthinking, irrational
dictates of its contents and imposes anxieties, fears, unwanted
sensations and feelings, strange pains and a host of other undesirable
effects. Freeing him from the command value such ills exert over his
volition, provides new levels of self-determinism.
A person may have suffered the emotional upheaval of losing a
loved one. New Era Dianetics auditing addresses these losses and,
while it won’t replace the affections held for the departed, it can
free one from the spiritual trauma of the loss.

BE CLEAR

The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago. A
Scientologist is trying to make people better and that is a new idea
in the field of the human mind.
Clearing someone is erasing his reactive mind. All the misery man
experiences is contained in the reactive mind.
There is a definite road out from reactivity, from aberration, from
identifying everything with everything else. It leads to increased
abilities, increased general performance and other exceptional gains
that can be precisely measured and experienced. This road out has
certain milestones which must be passed, and these are represented in
the Expanded Grades and New Era Dianetics auditing.
The product of traveling the road that runs past these milestones is
the erasure of reactivity. When this occurs the person achieves the
state of Clear. It is not possible to attain this upper state by
ignoring the lower grades.
A Clear is a person who no longer has his own reactive mind. He has
vanquished it forever. Without the stimulus-response mechanisms of the
reactive mind which can cause a person pain, unwanted sensations and
negative emotions, a Clear can act rather than react. A Clear has a
very high degree of personal integrity and honesty, and is living
proof that man is basically good. His own basic beingness returns and
his own basic personality flourishes. A person loses all the fears,
anxieties and irrational thoughts that were held down by pain in the
reactive mind and, in short, regains himself when he goes Clear. A
person is much, much more himself without a reactive mind.
Until a person is cleared, no matter how able he becomes by virtue of
earlier auditing, it is inevitable, just by the nature of the
universe, that he will sooner or later sink back into the reactive
mind. That is why clearing is vital. Clear is total erasure of the
reactive mind and thus is a stable state, not subject to relapse.
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Old 06-26-2008, 01:13 PM
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hahaha. Funny.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:25 PM
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On Jun 26, 3:01 pm, dianetics.to...@googlemail.com wrote:
> You can use Dianetics technology to effectively manage the condition
> you may know as 'schizophrenia'.
>
> You should immediately stop taking drugs (unless you actually want to
> harm yourself).
>
> Come in for a free auditing session. The psychiatry criminals have a
> lot to answer for.
>


The person posting these messages is disgusting and reckless.
Dianetics (a Scientology theory) is hopelessly ineffective at treating
any condition, let alone schizophrenia.
Numerous tragedies have occurred because of Dianetics and Scientology.

The Revesby tragedy in Sydney Australia last year:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...833402450.html

The Perkins tragedy:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:25 PM
Branimir Maksimovic
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On Jun 26, 5:03*pm, barrysmit...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 26, 3:01 pm, dianetics.to...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > You can use Dianetics technology to effectively manage the condition
> > you may know as 'schizophrenia'.

>
> > You should immediately stop taking drugs (unless you actually want to
> > harm yourself).

>
> > Come in for a free auditing session. The psychiatry criminals have a
> > lot to answer for.

>
> The person posting these messages is disgusting and reckless.


Why?

> Dianetics (a Scientology theory) is hopelessly ineffective at treating
> any condition, let alone schizophrenia.


Who knows, perhaps to someone it can help.

> Numerous tragedies have occurred because of Dianetics and Scientology.
>
> The Revesby tragedy in Sydney Australia last year:http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...-family/2007/0...
>
> The Perkins tragedy:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/


...I don't agree with this. Psychiatric drugs cannot prevent murder
and other crimes. Sure one can find opposite examples.
When I was in a nuthouse they treated a guy who after release
took a gun and visited Canadian embassy. He was heavily
drugged but did not stop him at all.
Psychs cannot understand if someone is potential criminal
it is still criminal no matter if drugged or not.

greets, branimir.



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Old 06-26-2008, 07:46 PM
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Thank you for posting about Elli Perkins, Barry. For those who don't
feel link-clicking happy, Elli was a Scientologist who treated her
sons' schizophrenia the way the church told her to... with vitamins
and "auditing sessions"; interviews where you hold 2 pressure
sensitive tin cans in your hand (to "tell if you are lying") and are
asked questions like "have you ever blown up a planet?" (yes, that is
a REAL question that they ask!). He was taken into custody of the
police at one point, and taken to a mental institution where he was
diagnosed and Elli was told he needed treatment, but she contined with
the vitamins and auditing until her son lost control and stabbed her
77 times. Dianetics couldnt help him and it CANNOT HELP YOU! In parts
of the world it is ILLEGAL for Scientology and Dianetics to claim it
can cure ANYTHING, so they stick this crap up here out of desperation
for fresh victims. It is easy to fall prey to false hope when often
there seems to be so little for a mental illness, but please, if you
do not believe us, research it yourself. It could very well save your
life.********************************************* ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ******
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/http:/...**************
The Scientologists are trying to say they can cure cancer, too. To
find out how very little they know about cancer, feel free to google
the words "Freewinds" and "Asbestos". They knowingly poisoned their
very own people who payed tens of thousands of dollars to "free"
themselves from their "reactive minds" with blue
asbestos.***************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ***********
Oh, and the 10,000 years part? South Park wasn't lying folks. This is
the story you are told when you have reached a stage of Scientology
training known as Operating Thetan III (or OT III). The average person
has to spend over $250,000 us to learn this story, and here it is for
free! This information came from court documents, subpoenaed when L R
Hubbard's wife and many other top Scientologists were convicted of
fraud and stealing documents from federal agencies in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu*
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Happy reading, be safe, and be well!**
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:46 PM
Branimir Maksimovic
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On Jun 26, 7:19*pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:

> ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** **************************************************
> Happy reading, be safe, and be well!**


Heh, as any other cults,sects etc.
Money makes the world go around

but I don;t like propaganda here that gives impression
that schizophrenia makes people into freaking killers.
In my case it was quite opposite. I became much better
person then before. Learned how to love and care about people.
I am also not against meds as they are only way to
put someone on the ground if not aware of his problem.
But it cannot prevent crime or anything else.
It's a matter of personality.

greetings, Branimir.

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Old 06-26-2008, 07:46 PM
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*chuckles* Wasn't implying mental illness makes people in general
killers. Jeremy Perkins's story is a tragic one, but its one of the
few well documented, public ones that they havent silenced through
intimidation and harassment of its critics and victims. This was meant
to be a story of how the "church" of scientology handles mental
illness. If you search youtube for videos about the elli perkins case,
you will see one of their representatives say quite clearly, there is
no such thing as mental illness.* When he received psychiatric care,
his life made a change for the better, but all too late.
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I am all for alternative therapies, I am all for faith being an
integral part of the healing and theraputic process. There is,
however, a very negative attitude and treatment policy of the mentally
ill and disabled in Scientology that people should be aware of. If it
appeared I was posting anything hateful about people with
schizophrenia I deeply apologize, however I CAN NOT and WILL NOT stand
idly by while they claim they can cure anything other than an overly-
full wallet or the occasional minor bad habit.* Meds aren't always the
answer. Psychiatry isn't always the answer. Counseling isn't always
the answer. Joining a cult that leaves a trail of death, poverty,
lawsuits and NUMEROUS angry governments in their wake is NEVER the
answer. http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:10 AM
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On Jun 27, 2:48 am, Branimir Maksimovic <bm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 5:03 pm, barrysmit...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jun 26, 3:01 pm, dianetics.to...@googlemail.com wrote:

>
> > > You can use Dianetics technology to effectively manage the condition
> > > you may know as 'schizophrenia'.

>
> > > You should immediately stop taking drugs (unless you actually want to
> > > harm yourself).

>
> > > Come in for a free auditing session. The psychiatry criminals have a
> > > lot to answer for.

>
> > The person posting these messages is disgusting and reckless.

>
> Why?
>
> > Dianetics (a Scientology theory) is hopelessly ineffective at treating
> > any condition, let alone schizophrenia.

>
> Who knows, perhaps to someone it can help.
>
> > Numerous tragedies have occurred because of Dianetics and Scientology.

>
> > The Revesby tragedy in Sydney Australia last year:http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...045262-5001021,......

>
> > The Perkins tragedy:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/

>
> ...I don't agree with this. Psychiatric drugs cannot prevent murder
> and other crimes. Sure one can find opposite examples.
> When I was in a nuthouse they treated a guy who after release
> took a gun and visited Canadian embassy. He was heavily
> drugged but did not stop him at all.
> Psychs cannot understand if someone is potential criminal
> it is still criminal no matter if drugged or not.
>
> greets, branimir.


Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that schizophrenia makes people into
killers, I am close to someone with the condition, a lovely person who
is doing fine. I am aware that if conditions like schizophrenia are
not managed, the person suffers, and in rare cases a deterioration in
their condition might result in violence - but as you correctly point
out it is not a simple cause-effect situation. In the case of Linda
Walicki, the court heard that she wanted help but her parents did not
allow her to get it, because they followed Scientology policies. I
find this troubling. Regardless of arguments about what is effective,
the Scientology policy denies individual choice.

The Sydney Morning Herald reported:
"THE young woman needed psychiatric care, and she knew it. She tried
to get help twice, but her Scientologist parents had a religious
objection to psychiatric intervention.
They denied her the treatment she wanted, then dosed the 25-year-old
with their own medicine, specially imported from the US."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...833431861.html

If a person makes an informed decision to refuse medical care, that is
their right. If other people force their beliefs on a person, I cannot
condone it.

Such was the situation with Martine Boublil. She is a former
Scientologist who was kidnapped and held in a room by three
Scientologists, reportedly on the orders of her brother (who is a high-
level Scientologist in France). Her captors refused to speak to her.
She described the experience as "hell" and asserted that she never
consented to be taken and imprisoned. Her ordeal ended when she was
rescued by Italian Police in January 2008.

It is alleged they were carrying out an "Introspection Rundown" - a
Scientology procedure where a psychotic person is isolated and
speaking to the person is forbidden. Her brother claimed he was just
trying to help her, because she would otherwise be treated by a
psychiatrist (something he opposes).

French reports:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualites/20...-en-italie.php
http://www.rue89.com/2008/03/18/scie...artine-boublil

Part 1 of a recent French M6 documentary featuring Martine Boublil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLewFRA51g

I think that making blanket statements like "stop taking medication"
is disgusting and reckless - and potentially dangerous. Suddenly
stopping medication can cause side effects/withdrawal symptoms, and
destabilize a person's condition. If a person wants to stop that is
their right, but it should be done safely and with medical advice on
how to ease off it.

I am skeptical about Scientology's claims because there is no evidence
that they are effective in helping people suffering from conditions
like schizophrenia, depression, drug-addiction or cancer - yet they
continue to claim they have the answer to these. Scientologists are
advised to do Scientology auditing and procedures, and discouraged
from seeking medical help, often until it is too late. Why does the
CoS prevent them from having treatment? What is the problem with
getting medical care in addition to Scientology practices?

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