seclusion rooms... restraint? or torment?

no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
they have done to me!

"curiousgeorge" <nicer.ones@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d6c5c7f-e9e1-40dd-b976-b7c57ea43433@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
> there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
> not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
> to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
> and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
> partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
> their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
> they have done to me!

Sounds like something the folks I met in 1977 would do to a patient.

What country, or what state was this?

That sux. Bunch of callous fucktards. Are you okay now?

"curiousgeorge" <nicer.ones@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d6c5c7f-e9e1-40dd-b976-b7c57ea43433@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
> there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
> not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
> to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
> and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
> partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
> their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
> they have done to me!

I feel for you.

My recent experience with confinement wasn 't as extreme as yours but had
the same flavour and coloration. I remember terrible cigarette withdrawal,
being mildly assaulted by a fellow patient, another fellow patient screaming
and ranting all night after they'd put him in restraints for repeatedly
woodpeckering the locked ward door glass with his forehead, and the bed
being so uncomfortable that my right calf ached from lying on it. I got
confined for suggesting I might do violence to others, but had no thoughts
of suicide, yet by the fourth day I was trying to strangle myself with my
gown cord right in front of the psychiatrist.

For a long time I described the whole world as my prison and my whole life
having been one long imprisonment and my parents' apartment being like house
arrest, but now I believe I know the difference between a feeling of
frustration with life and actual confinement. The latter can traumatize even
someone whose mind has already gone through hell.

Miki

On Feb 15, 1:03 am, "Dork Gently" <pogreshi...@mikikocic.com> wrote:
> "curiousgeorge" <nicer.o...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3d6c5c7f-e9e1-40dd-b976-b7c57ea43433@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
> > there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
> > not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
> > to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
> > and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
> > partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
> > their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
> > they have done to me!
>
> I feel for you.
>
> My recent experience with confinement wasn 't as extreme as yours but had
> the same flavour and coloration. I remember terrible cigarette withdrawal,
> being mildly assaulted by a fellow patient, another fellow patient screaming
> and ranting all night after they'd put him in restraints for repeatedly
> woodpeckering the locked ward door glass with his forehead, and the bed
> being so uncomfortable that my right calf ached from lying on it. I got
> confined for suggesting I might do violence to others, but had no thoughts
> of suicide, yet by the fourth day I was trying to strangle myself with my
> gown cord right in front of the psychiatrist.
>
> For a long time I described the whole world as my prison and my whole life
> having been one long imprisonment and my parents' apartment being like house
> arrest, but now I believe I know the difference between a feeling of
> frustration with life and actual confinement. The latter can traumatize even
> someone whose mind has already gone through hell.
>
> Miki

I can't imagine going through that. I've been lucky in that the places
I've been hospitalized were semi-decent. I very nearly got put in a
state hospital a few months ago, and I shudder to think of the stories
I've heard from there and that I was almost subjected to it.

"Ravon" <ddevun@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a9da4d6-b3d8-4f94-b632-5b114a8dd8ed@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> I can't imagine going through that. I've been lucky in that the places
> I've been hospitalized were semi-decent. I very nearly got put in a
> state hospital a few months ago, and I shudder to think of the stories
> I've heard from there and that I was almost subjected to it.

I hope I haven't made the place sound like some kind of dungeon. It was
clean and fresh and pleasantly, if sprasely, decorated, and the staff were
nice. It's the mere fact of being confined that I don't believe anyone can
prepare for until they've experienced it. Maybe the places you've been
haven't felt like confinement? Please tell me more about them.

Miki

On Feb 15, 12:53 am, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
> "curiousgeorge" <nicer.o...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3d6c5c7f-e9e1-40dd-b976-b7c57ea43433@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
> > there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
> > not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
> > to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
> > and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
> > partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
> > their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
> > they have done to me!
>
> Sounds like something the folks I met in 1977 would do to a patient.
>
> What country, or what state was this?

this was ontario canada... 1/2 year ago. I am sure that I would do
anything to avoid getting put there again. I am otherwise doing good,
thanks... that hospital may be surprised to read about their poor
treatment and assessment of me one day as I am writing of my
experiences and will write to our government as well. thanks for your
thoughts and empathy...

"curiousgeorge" <nicer.ones@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a4bce9cf-4077-4589-8c22-39b8c6c9f125@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 15, 12:53 am, "Quiet Neighbor" <priv...@spamless.net> wrote:
>> "curiousgeorge" <nicer.o...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3d6c5c7f-e9e1-40dd-b976-b7c57ea43433@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > no clock, no way to get attention, and nothing said about why you are
>> > there, then they give me a needle and dont identify what it is... I am
>> > not new to this, but would prefer physical restraint... what can I do
>> > to insure they dont put me there again... last time I slashed my wrist
>> > and wrote a message in my blood and scratched the walls with my
>> > partial dental plate... they sent me a bill for the physical damage to
>> > their room but dont concern themselves with the psychological damage
>> > they have done to me!
>>
>> Sounds like something the folks I met in 1977 would do to a patient.
>>
>> What country, or what state was this?
>
> this was ontario canada... 1/2 year ago. I am sure that I would do
> anything to avoid getting put there again. I am otherwise doing good,
> thanks... that hospital may be surprised to read about their poor
> treatment and assessment of me one day as I am writing of my
> experiences and will write to our government as well. thanks for your
> thoughts and empathy...

Don't bother, George. Government exists to protect the vested interests of
its interested members. "Interested" meaning those who have something and
therefore have something to lose. You can make a stink based on
technicalities and start off a festival of ass-covering among those
responsible, but any "investigation" or "inquiry" that is launched would be
ceremonial, as all those things are. Accept that guys like you and me don't
have much or even anything, and as long as we're in that position those who
do have a lot will regard us with hostility; and so will their flunkies,
which includes doctors and the police.

If I sound like some textbook Marxist I'm sorry, but this is 42 years of
bitter experience speaking and not some book I read at age 17 that has me
all fired up purely intellectually.

Miki