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Old 04-22-2007, 01:55 AM
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Mahlers

April 20, 2007

Hi,

The following is after some intense deep thought in regards to laws within
the USA pertaining medical records and disclosure, following the Virginia
Tech University Massacre, April 15, 2007, Blacksburg Virginia.


"Unbiased & Unselfish Opinion"

The subject of discussion brings up some precarious potential for
"overblownism" - not what you might at first expect.

Some proponents are favorable for disclosure of medical records to law
enforcement at all levels, especially regarding weapons ownership.
I'm okay with that, so long as a: the gun store owner only gets a "yes" or
"no". Nothing more, nothing less.


b: Only top level authorities know of critical private information. I
suppose a "Homeland Security" database and hired operations group is in the
makings, soon available for such a said situation. Be there BATF, FBI,
federal forensic psychologists and specially assigned State Police
Detectives, those only though. Outside that elite and privy, sworn to
secrecy and privacy federal and state employees, nobody gets to know
anything, unless specifically requested by the citizen of concern, only.

In regards to further disclosure of health records, some proponents suggest
allowing the medical community, specifically the mental health community be
allowed shared access about a persons mental health to law enforcement
authorities to some extent. That already exists. Believe me, there is a
database, instantly useable between even local police within the USA already
in use.


The qualm I have with all this? When information as such becomes available
from medical and or law enforcement personnel to "friends" or "concerned
citizens" that leaves a gaping uncloseable hole to private information that
can and will be used against a person regarding personal relationships, job
security, ability to travel, to hold public office, basically, it's opening
up a Pandora's box for massive personal scrutiny, brought on by competition,
jealousy, basically, it's injurious to the personal life and esteem of
anyone. Thus, I say "nay" to the proposal of "easier access" of psychiatric
medical records.

If any new law comes of this, it's my own personal / professional opinion
that it's already widely practiced illegally here within the states. I'm
referring specifically disclosure of mental health amongst the community
from medical personal and law enforcement to the "has to be informed
citizen", without any permission by the so stated "patient" and or "person
of concern".

This soon to be law is quite simply to be symbolic and will relieve immense
pressure for the "unwritten" rule already broken.

In todays world, psychiatrists, physicians are as quick as a killer
when it comes to lack of thought and care for not only the patient, to the
medical community itself.

I can recall, one individual whom went to a local hospital in fear of a nose
bleed re-occurrence. The physician asked the patient, "are you employed?"
In fact, the patient had filled out with a hospital secretary the answer to
that
question and indeed was employed, the patient telling the physician as well.
The physician said to the patient "you are paranoid and delusional".
I know you are reading this out of context. From that I know, the
physician, medical emergency room attending physician insisted that the
patient, of whom was calm, cool and collected, friendly and forthcoming was
to be seen by a psychiatrist to know if the patient should be temporarily
committed for a period of no less than 3 days.

I know this patient and the person is not mentally ill then or now. The
patient promptly was guarded by two hospital security guards. The patient
had no civil and or criminal offenses at all or anytime before, was not
currently wanted by police at all at any level, anywhere. Yet the
patient was guarded, truly an insult. The patient left swiftly, only to be
brought in by local police in handcuffs. The patient had to wait nearly 8
hours in a padded cell before being seen by a psychiatrist and eventually,
the patient was released.

During that time, the adult patients immediate family was called in by the
physician and psychiatrist without the patients knowing and without the
patients consent.

However, the atrocity worsens the next following day when the former patient
went to work. Standing in the doorway to the warehouse business was a local
medical community representative, (official jacket and all) talking with the
persons employers. Not only the employers heard this conversation but the
employees, many of them within earshot. The medical official claimed that
"so and so is mentally ill and unemployed, would you give "so and so" a job
and let us know of "so and so" behavior". "So and so" was in fact that same
(now former) patient I've written of, the former patient heard the entire
conversation from less than 10 feet behind as the former patient stood
outside of the wide open door to the place where employed.

Do you understand now, the cause for concern? That above real life scenario
happens daily and absolutely ruins lives at any varying level, temporarily
and worse, permanently.

I cannot stand by with any law that would permit "legal" disclosure to just
anyone, especially when the potential for ruining someone's reputation and
life, lives of others can and will be effected badly.

There is that "fine line" where yes, if a person is on a "rampage", speaking
of harming someone and or them self, by all means, start talking yet there
has to be that "know it before the mental trigger is cocked and or pulled"
moment, that gray area, the storm warning so little know about yet perhaps
perceive deep within the human conscious. That period when the potential for
literal "immediate" threat is yet to be initiated. The ability to defuse a
potentially tragic situation without trespassing into a persons life if not
an easy task and is made far more complicated by "free wheeling", "trigger
ready", biased and selfish persons of the medical community as well as non
medical and sadly, family, friends and of course, law enforcement. Thus,
this is difficult. I truly believe in best case scenarios, it starts with
extending a hand of some form of constant, unbiased, unselfish behavior
towards someone much like Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, seemingly quiet,
never looking into anyone's eyes.

Peace,


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William K. Mahler, http://www.mahlers.com
Singer - Songwriter - Photographer - Webmaster
Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: mahlerscom
reply: mahlers dot com at mahlers dot com


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Old 04-22-2007, 01:55 AM
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it is none of anyones buisness that i am schizophrenic period!!! at no time
should someone who is mentally ill as people tend to call it be prevented
from owning a gun, EVER!!!!!!!!! unless they have committed a crime period.
currently there is a beyond stupid law that says if you have been
unvoluntairly committed then you cant own a gun, this pisses me off beyond
words. i was unvoluntairly committed when i was first diagnosed so according
to this i cant own a gun, TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!! i aint evil and would
never hurt anyone. only evil people, people who have convicted of a serious
crime should be prevented from owning a gun. i have done nothing wrong but
cant buy a gun!!!!!!!!!!!! again i am beyond mad about this.
just because someone is "mentally ill" doesnt mean they are going to hurt
someone. it isnt fair and is just plain wrong.
i had a severe nervous breakdown which resulted in the onslaught of the
paranoid schizophrenia which i now live with. i did nothing wrong, i didnt
hurt anyone and i shouldnt be prevented from owning a gun.
the law preventing me from owning a gun is wrong and i wish someone
somewhere would do something to overturn this extremelly wrong law. i feel
as though i am being unjustly discriminated against.
the US of A is wrong! i have every right to own a gun if i want , i have
done absolutly nothing wrong!
again i am beyond pissed off and have been since last night when i found
this out. the fact that i am schizophrenic in none of anyones business, not
now not ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont know who the morons who passed this
unjust law is but they all need a severe butt kicking! i hate them. period.
just because someone is "mentally ill" doesnt mean they are going to
hurt anyone. it all depends on how each person was raised as to rather or
not they will hurt another human being. i myself aint capable of hurting
someone else, ever. being "mentally ill" does not mean that a person is more
likely to kill or hurt another human being. the law is wrong and i am mad
as hell right now!!
sorry i just had to vent somewhere, and there is nobody here that i can
talk too. my brother is a preverted, sick, idiot! and my dad suffers from
dementia now, though he did say it was wrong! and my mother isnt around. and
the main person i speak to, my boyfriend, is at work. so i needed to vent!
i repeat the law is wrong and unjust and i am pissed off!!!!!!!!!
later all anita

"W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.com" <gospam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:Z8wWh.1614$sb.1545@trndny05...
> Mahlers
>
> April 20, 2007
>
> Hi,
>
> The following is after some intense deep thought in regards to laws within
> the USA pertaining medical records and disclosure, following the Virginia
> Tech University Massacre, April 15, 2007, Blacksburg Virginia.
>
>
> "Unbiased & Unselfish Opinion"
>
> The subject of discussion brings up some precarious potential for
> "overblownism" - not what you might at first expect.
>
> Some proponents are favorable for disclosure of medical records to law
> enforcement at all levels, especially regarding weapons ownership.
> I'm okay with that, so long as a: the gun store owner only gets a "yes" or
> "no". Nothing more, nothing less.
>
>
> b: Only top level authorities know of critical private information. I
> suppose a "Homeland Security" database and hired operations group is in

the
> makings, soon available for such a said situation. Be there BATF, FBI,
> federal forensic psychologists and specially assigned State Police
> Detectives, those only though. Outside that elite and privy, sworn to
> secrecy and privacy federal and state employees, nobody gets to know
> anything, unless specifically requested by the citizen of concern, only.
>
> In regards to further disclosure of health records, some proponents

suggest
> allowing the medical community, specifically the mental health community

be
> allowed shared access about a persons mental health to law enforcement
> authorities to some extent. That already exists. Believe me, there is a
> database, instantly useable between even local police within the USA

already
> in use.
>
>
> The qualm I have with all this? When information as such becomes available
> from medical and or law enforcement personnel to "friends" or "concerned
> citizens" that leaves a gaping uncloseable hole to private information

that
> can and will be used against a person regarding personal relationships,

job
> security, ability to travel, to hold public office, basically, it's

opening
> up a Pandora's box for massive personal scrutiny, brought on by

competition,
> jealousy, basically, it's injurious to the personal life and esteem of
> anyone. Thus, I say "nay" to the proposal of "easier access" of

psychiatric
> medical records.
>
> If any new law comes of this, it's my own personal / professional opinion
> that it's already widely practiced illegally here within the states. I'm
> referring specifically disclosure of mental health amongst the community
> from medical personal and law enforcement to the "has to be informed
> citizen", without any permission by the so stated "patient" and or "person
> of concern".
>
> This soon to be law is quite simply to be symbolic and will relieve

immense
> pressure for the "unwritten" rule already broken.
>
> In todays world, psychiatrists, physicians are as quick as a killer
> when it comes to lack of thought and care for not only the patient, to the
> medical community itself.
>
> I can recall, one individual whom went to a local hospital in fear of a

nose
> bleed re-occurrence. The physician asked the patient, "are you employed?"
> In fact, the patient had filled out with a hospital secretary the answer

to
> that
> question and indeed was employed, the patient telling the physician as

well.
> The physician said to the patient "you are paranoid and delusional".
> I know you are reading this out of context. From that I know, the
> physician, medical emergency room attending physician insisted that the
> patient, of whom was calm, cool and collected, friendly and forthcoming

was
> to be seen by a psychiatrist to know if the patient should be temporarily
> committed for a period of no less than 3 days.
>
> I know this patient and the person is not mentally ill then or now. The
> patient promptly was guarded by two hospital security guards. The patient
> had no civil and or criminal offenses at all or anytime before, was not
> currently wanted by police at all at any level, anywhere. Yet the
> patient was guarded, truly an insult. The patient left swiftly, only to be
> brought in by local police in handcuffs. The patient had to wait nearly 8
> hours in a padded cell before being seen by a psychiatrist and eventually,
> the patient was released.
>
> During that time, the adult patients immediate family was called in by the
> physician and psychiatrist without the patients knowing and without the
> patients consent.
>
> However, the atrocity worsens the next following day when the former

patient
> went to work. Standing in the doorway to the warehouse business was a

local
> medical community representative, (official jacket and all) talking with

the
> persons employers. Not only the employers heard this conversation but the
> employees, many of them within earshot. The medical official claimed that
> "so and so is mentally ill and unemployed, would you give "so and so" a

job
> and let us know of "so and so" behavior". "So and so" was in fact that

same
> (now former) patient I've written of, the former patient heard the entire
> conversation from less than 10 feet behind as the former patient stood
> outside of the wide open door to the place where employed.
>
> Do you understand now, the cause for concern? That above real life

scenario
> happens daily and absolutely ruins lives at any varying level, temporarily
> and worse, permanently.
>
> I cannot stand by with any law that would permit "legal" disclosure to

just
> anyone, especially when the potential for ruining someone's reputation and
> life, lives of others can and will be effected badly.
>
> There is that "fine line" where yes, if a person is on a "rampage",

speaking
> of harming someone and or them self, by all means, start talking yet there
> has to be that "know it before the mental trigger is cocked and or pulled"
> moment, that gray area, the storm warning so little know about yet perhaps
> perceive deep within the human conscious. That period when the potential

for
> literal "immediate" threat is yet to be initiated. The ability to defuse a
> potentially tragic situation without trespassing into a persons life if

not
> an easy task and is made far more complicated by "free wheeling", "trigger
> ready", biased and selfish persons of the medical community as well as non
> medical and sadly, family, friends and of course, law enforcement. Thus,
> this is difficult. I truly believe in best case scenarios, it starts with
> extending a hand of some form of constant, unbiased, unselfish behavior
> towards someone much like Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, seemingly quiet,
> never looking into anyone's eyes.
>
> Peace,
>
>
> --
> William K. Mahler, http://www.mahlers.com
> Singer - Songwriter - Photographer - Webmaster
> Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: mahlerscom
> reply: mahlers dot com at mahlers dot com
>
>



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