5 Days Done

Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go an
buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though and
keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking bitch
leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself going and
getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not good. Gonna have to
work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
Becky
Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.

"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work.

You mean a nicotine lozenge? Good for you!


>Not good.

Why not? NRT is a really, really valuable quit aid for many, many people.
NRT saves lives.

> Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .

Well, there's not much chance of that. Even if you are on NRT "forever" (a
phenomenon I have never encountered in all my years at as3), it still beats
smoking.

When you start out with quitting, you feel like all your "meter money" is
going to NRT (or chocolate :-) But when you look back, that NRT will seem
like it lasted no more than the blink of an eye. Here's my meter:

Eight years, nine months, three weeks, four days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and 57
seconds. 161105 cigarettes not smoked, saving $24,165.79. Life saved: 1
year, 27 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 25 minutes.

Now, out of that $24K, I've spent probably a few hundred dollars U.S. on
NRT, about $4K on kayaks (quit rewards), and about $1.5K on an art supplies
(quit rewards). After a few years, I couldn't spend the meter money fast
enough. I actually added it up and posted my calculations here at as3 a
while ago. It showed I spent, like, six grand on quitting, for which I got
THREE kayaks (with all the appropriate accoutrements), and a fully equipped
art studio (oil painting, construction, collage), and freedom from
addiction, as opposed to, oh, say LUNG CANCER -- with a multiple of that
much meter money to spare.

If you think NRT is something you're supposed to avoid, you are
toooootttttttallllllly thinking wrong.

Here it is, re-posted once again, year in and year out:

EVERYTHING EDNA PEARL HAS EVER LEARNED ABOUT QUITTING:

___________________

Use all the quit aids you can, whatever your body can tolerate. Learn all
the tricks and techniques you can. I relied primarily on Zyban, nicotine
gum, ODAT, and this group.

Research shows that people who use as many quitting aids and techniques as
possible have a higher success rate at staying quit. This means that cold
turkey (CT) is probably not a good first choice for trying to quit. Here
are the usual reasons for quitting CT: you don't know any better, you are a
masochist, you have serious side-effects from NRT or Zyban, you are a victim
of the myth that everything will be easy once you get the nicotine out of
your system (it won't), or you have had bad luck in the past with quit aids.
IMHO, quitters, especially new quitters who haven't tried to quit recently,
should chomp all the gum or duct-tape all the patches their bodies can hold.

Sometimes a lucky few people get "in the zone" for a blessed period of their
lives, and they suddenly quit CT, but they don't usually spend a lot of time
reading and posting to as3, so you probably are not them and are not like
them.

So now I've convinced you to use NRT and all the quit aids you can tolerate,
right? Now, here's the important stuff:

Exercise. Expect to gain some weight sooner or later, but don't let it get
out of hand. If you combine quitting with exercise, then you're combining
new, fresh air with new endorphins, which is a winning combination, and it
will help keep your weight down.

Beware of replacing your old addiction with new ones. For example, keep
control of your eating and drinking. Look for healthy "addictions," like
exercise, creativity, painting, sewing, gardening, organizing, volunteering,
games, sports, etc. (NRT is not an "addiction" - it's a treatment, so don't
worry about staying on NRT as long as you have to.)

It's normal to get depressed during a quit. Go to the doctor and get a
prescription for some anti-depressants anyway. You don't get any extra
brownie points for being any more miserable than absolutely necessary, and
nobody with any sense will be impressed if you try to "tough it out."
Instead, we'll probably just think you're being really silly and feel sorry
for you. Life is not about proving how tough you are. Don't waste it
trying.

Learn how to get mad and get over it. You used to stuff all your anger in a
little paper tube and smoke it, and now it's going to come back to get you.
A lot of depression is repressed anger. If you're depressed, dig out some
of your repressed anger, deal with it, and see if that helps.

"Getting the nicotine out of your system" is not actually much help when
quitting smoking. Nicotine is fairly harmless. Smoking kills. NRT saves
lives. Getting off NRT is not a big deal for most people. It's a
vulnerable time, sure, and you should ask your as3 friends for help with the
process of getting off NRT, but it's cake compared to quitting smoking.
Stay on NRT as long as you need to. Forever, if necessary. At some point,
after a few weeks or months (who cares how long?) I switched from gum to
toothpicks, and then I gradually lost interest in the toothpicks, but that's
just me. If you stay on NRT ten years that doesn't make you any less quit
than I am. Nobody's quit is better than yours, and if they say it is, let
me know; I'll be glad to come over there and kick their ass.

Quitting smoking is very hard for a while, for most people. As the days and
weeks pass, you'll gradually start to believe that it's worth it. Then
you'll forget again. Then you'll remember again. Most of us hit a really
bad patch a few months into our quits. That's normal. Just don't smoke.
Take it one day at a time. Learn from it. Grow with it. Fall in love with
your quit. You have the rest of your life to be free, and the struggle that
now seems to be lasting forever will seem like the blink of an eye in
retrospect.

If you "slip," if you have "just one," your quit will get harder. Smoking a
cigarette will not ease your distress, it will prolong it. It will get
easier soon, but only if you don't smoke.

There is no such thing as "just one." You can never smoke another cigarette
as long as you live unless you want to reactivate your addiction. You are a
puff away from a pack a day. If you don't accept this, I will bet you two
hundred gazillion dollars and give you ninety-nine point nine odds to one
that you will relapse. You might as well save yourself the trouble of going
through withdrawal if you think you can ever smoke again without becoming
totally re-addicted. It ain't the way to bet. It's a stupid way to bet.
Forget about it.

Be honest with yourself and with as3. Don't pretend you're doing fine.
You're not. You're quitting smoking. It's hard. Sharing your troubles
will help others as well as yourself.

Helping other people quit will help you stay quit. In other words, reading
and posting to as3 can help you and other as3 participants quit and stay
quit. As3 works.

The skills and insights you learn while you are quitting will enhance your
whole life, if you let them.

Remember to be proud, to congratulate yourself, to reward yourself, to enjoy
your quit, to fall in love with your quit. What you are doing is simply
amazing. You are amazing, and brave, and strong, for getting this far, and
you deserve all the support and love you can give yourself.

It's really pretty simple: Just don't put a cigarette in your mouth. If
that's a problem for you, then ask for help. If that doesn't work, ask for
more help. And remember to check your ego at the door.

Smoking makes you stink, cough, lie to yourself, waste your money, and die.

(JMHO, YMMV, everybody's different, blah blah blah, whatever)

--------------------

Tape this to your forehead and read it every hour. My treat.

Love,
ep oooooooof

Hear, hear my friend. I agree wholeheartedly with all of it, although
I definitely do not have eight years under my belt.

(I'm closing in on one, though, so that has to count for something.
Right?)

Great to see you back in action girlfriend!

As far as the NRT, use all you need for as long as you need.
Trust me on this one!

Luv ya sistah,
Cat
2Y5M



"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not good.
> Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
> Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
> Becky
> Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
> saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.
>
>

On May 12, 8:19*pm, "Becky" <sobern2...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go an
> buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though and
> keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking bitch
> leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself going and
> getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not good. Gonna have to
> work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
> *Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
> *Becky
> Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
> saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.

Hang in there, Becky!

Annette
Four months, three weeks, three days, 25 minutes and 12 seconds. 1450
cigarettes not smoked, saving $255.46. Life saved: 5 days, 50 minutes.

That is one of the most inspiring posts I have ever read here on as3.
Thank you Edna Pearl.
If I had a printer I would stick this on my wall.

Anita.

One week, three days, 2 hours, 48 minutes and 11 seconds. 404 cigarettes not
smoked, saving $169.96. Life saved: 1 day, 9 hours, 40 minutes.

Glad to read that you are now on Day 5, Becky! You are doing it and
as EP says, it will be normal feeling sooner than you can expect right
now. Just keep kicking butt and use as many resources as you need to
stay smober. Just remember this is NO REASON TO EVER SMOKE AGAIN!
When you get a nutzy feeling, say that outloud to yourself. As EP
says, fall in love with your quit, it's loving YOU!

Hang Tuff
Don't Puff
and thanks EP for the wonderful repost!

FlatironMike
One year, three months, two days, 14 minutes and 38 seconds. 9120
cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,741.81. Life saved: 4 weeks, 3 days,
16 hours, 0 minutes.

On May 13, 10:40*am, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>
wrote:
> "Becky" <sobern2...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> > Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> > an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> > and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> > bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> > going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work.
>
> You mean a nicotine lozenge? *Good for you!
>
> >Not good.

Agreed, the real issue, as I'm sure you understand, is your lack of
peace with quitting. Read Allen Carr's Easyway for help in
understanding why you smoke in the first place. If you have read this
book but did not complete it, then go back and read every word, it
will be the best thing you can do for yourself.

> Why not? *NRT is a really, really valuable quit aid for many, many people.
> NRT saves lives.

Quitting smoking saves lives, NRT does not.

> > Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
>
> Well, there's not much chance of that. *Even if you are on NRT "forever"(a
> phenomenon I have never encountered in all my years at as3), it still beats
> smoking.

NRT is a form of poison, it is better than smoking, but that logic
stinks. Banging your head with a hammer is better than banging it with
the sharp end of an axe...

> When you start out with quitting, you feel like all your "meter money" is
> going to NRT (or chocolate *:-) *But when you look back, that NRT willseem
> like it lasted no more than the blink of an eye. * Here's my meter:

The NRT companies thank you nonetheless.

> Eight years, nine months, three weeks, four days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and 57
> seconds. 161105 cigarettes not smoked, saving $24,165.79. Life saved: 1
> year, 27 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 25 minutes.
>
> Now, out of that $24K, *I've spent probably a few hundred dollars U.S. on
> NRT, about $4K on kayaks (quit rewards), and about $1.5K on an art supplies
> (quit rewards). *After a few years, I couldn't spend the meter money fast
> enough. *I actually added it up and posted my calculations here at as3 a
> while ago. *It showed I spent, like, six grand on quitting, for which I got
> THREE kayaks (with all the appropriate accoutrements), and a fully equipped
> art studio (oil painting, construction, collage), and freedom from
> addiction, as opposed to, oh, say LUNG CANCER -- with a multiple of that
> much meter money to spare.

Why must you reward yourself for stopping something you don't want to
do?

> If you think NRT is something you're supposed to avoid, you are
> toooootttttttallllllly thinking wrong.

Incorrect, NRT is based on confused logic, avoiding NRT is akin to
mental clarity.

> Here it is, re-posted once again, year in and year out:
>
> EVERYTHING EDNA PEARL HAS EVER LEARNED ABOUT QUITTING:
>
> ___________________
>
> Use all the quit aids you can, whatever your body can tolerate. *Learn all
> the tricks and techniques you can. *I relied primarily on Zyban, nicotine
> gum, ODAT, and this group.

This is unsound advice, these substances are poisonous, costly and
unnecessary.

> Research shows that people who use as many quitting aids and techniques as
> possible have a higher success rate at staying quit. *This means that cold
> turkey (CT) is probably not a good first choice for trying to quit. *

This research is easily debunked, feel free to post a link to it. The
success rates are generally two or so times higher than those who
don't use NRT. Don't be misled though, this is not a meaningful
number, because quitting rates are extremely low. Nothing x 2 still
equals almost nothing. People who use NRT are clearly showing a higher
degree of dedication to their quit than the average quitter, they are
out researching and buying into quit methods (even useless ones), they
are keener than the average quitter so they have around double the
success rate. NRT is not the reason these people succeed, they succeed
in spite of NRT.

> Here
> are the usual reasons for quitting CT: *you don't know any better

I disagree with your statement entirely, CT is profoundly easier and
superior to NRT and should be encouraged, as long as you understand
why you smoked in the first place.

> you are a
> masochist, you have serious side-effects from NRT or Zyban, you are a victim
> of the myth that everything will be easy once you get the nicotine out of
> your system (it won't),

It CAN be!!

> or you have had bad luck in the past with quit aids.
> IMHO, quitters, especially new quitters who haven't tried to quit recently,
> should chomp all the gum or duct-tape all the patches their bodies can hold.

What a profoundly confused thing to say. These patches and gum contain
poison and should not be used in high quantities, they should not be
used at all.

> Sometimes a lucky few people get "in the zone" for a blessed period of their
> lives, and they suddenly quit CT, but they don't usually spend a lot of time
> reading and posting to as3, so you probably are not them and are not like
> them.

They are not lucky, the are informed.

> So now I've convinced you to use NRT and all the quit aids you can tolerate,
> right?

LOL.

>*Now, here's the important stuff:

......

> Exercise. *Expect to gain some weight sooner or later, but don't let it get
> out of hand. *If you combine quitting with exercise, then you're combining
> new, fresh air with new endorphins, which is a winning combination, and it
> will help keep your weight down.

Good advice.

> Beware of replacing your old addiction with new ones. * For example, keep
> control of *your eating and drinking. *Look for healthy "addictions," like
> exercise, creativity, painting, sewing, gardening, organizing, volunteering,
> games, sports, etc.

Substitution is a sign that you have not let go. You need not
substitute smoking with anything, once you've truly decided that you
don't want to smoke it can be easy to give up.

>*(NRT is not an "addiction" - it's a treatment, so don't
> worry about staying on NRT as long as you have to.)

Please explain how NRT is not addiction. NRT involves nicotine, a
highly addictive substance, it is simply a different method of
introducing it to your body.

> It's normal to get depressed during a quit. *Go to the doctor and get a
> prescription for some anti-depressants anyway. *You don't get any extra
> brownie points for being any more miserable than absolutely necessary, and
> nobody with any sense will be impressed if you try to "tough it out."
> Instead, we'll probably just think you're being really silly and feel sorry
> for you. *Life is not about proving how tough you are. *Don't waste it
> trying.

You aren't seriously providing general advice that people obtain anti
depressants are you? What if these people have never been diagnosed
with a depressive condition before? Scary....

> Learn how to get mad and get over it. *You used to stuff all your anger in a
> little paper tube and smoke it, and now it's going to come back to get you..
> A lot of depression is repressed anger. *If you're depressed, dig out some
> of your repressed anger, deal with it, and see if that helps.

> "Getting the nicotine out of your system" is not actually much help when
> quitting smoking. *Nicotine is fairly harmless.

Absolute ROT. Nicotine is not fairly harmless at all.

>*Smoking kills. *NRT saves
> lives.

Garbage... smoking kills, nicotine kills, NRT is nicotine.

> *Getting off NRT is not a big deal for most people. *It's a
> vulnerable time, sure, and you should ask your as3 friends for help with the
> process of getting off NRT, but it's cake compared to quitting smoking.

Getting off smoking doesn't have to be hard either, getting off NRT
should be ridiculously easy, you shouldn't be on it in the first
place.

> Stay on NRT as long as you need to. *Forever, if necessary. *

Shocking advice. People should not stay on NRT for prolonged periods.
I'm sure the packaging itself says that...I sure hope so.

> At some point,
> after a few weeks or months (who cares how long?) I switched from gum to
> toothpicks, and then I gradually lost interest in the toothpicks, but that's
> just me. *If you stay on NRT ten years that doesn't make you any less quit
> than I am.

If someone feels the need to fill their body with nicotine after they
smoke they are not a non-smoker. They are a smoker who doesn't have a
cigarette in their mouth. We've all been there.

> *Nobody's quit is better than yours, and if they say it is, let
> me know; I'll be glad to come over there and kick their ass.

A painless and comfortable quit is 'better' than fighting cravings and
wrestling with 'nicodemons' months and years after the final smoke.

> Quitting smoking is very hard for a while, for most people. *As the daysand
> weeks pass, you'll gradually start to believe that it's worth it.

Your can be a non smoker whilst your last cigarette is still in your
mouth, weeks are thankfully not required.

>*Then
> you'll forget again. *Then you'll remember again.

Incorrect, Allen Carr has proven countless times that this does not
have to be the case. I stand as an example. There is nothing anybody
can say to convince me this need be the case, I have experienced
clarity and comfort from day one of my quit.

> *Most of us hit a really
> bad patch a few months into our quits. *That's normal. *Just don't smoke.

That's what bad patches are about, wanting to smoke... shouldn't we be
dealing with why we desire that smoke in the first place? We aren't
even addicted to nicotine anymore!!

> Take it one day at a time. *Learn from it. *Grow with it. *Fall in love with
> your quit.

All your advice is given with the best of intentions, I know this, but
this is in my opinion your best advice so far.

>*You have the rest of your life to be free, and the struggle that
> now seems to be lasting forever will seem like the blink of an eye in
> retrospect.
> If you "slip," if you have "just one," your quit will get harder. *Smoking a
> cigarette will not ease your distress, it will prolong it. *It will get
> easier soon, but only if you don't smoke.

> There is no such thing as "just one." You can never smoke another cigarette
> as long as you live unless you want to reactivate your addiction. *You are a
> puff away from a pack a day. *If you don't accept this, I will bet you two
> hundred gazillion dollars and give you ninety-nine point nine odds to one
> that you will relapse. *You might as well save yourself the trouble of going
> through withdrawal if you think you can ever smoke again without becoming
> totally re-addicted. *It ain't the way to bet. *It's a stupid way to bet.
> Forget about it.

True, there is no such thing as just one smoke.

> Be honest with yourself and with as3. *Don't pretend you're doing fine.
> You're not. *You're quitting smoking. *It's hard.

I cringe to think how many people accept this on face value...'it's
hard'.... 'it has to be hard'.... please...... stop repeating this.

FUCK OFF SPAMMER
"Burner Fan" <jkraal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:012c8c7e-d983-4999-9d99-b8113197a71d@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On May 13, 10:40 am, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>
wrote:
> "Becky" <sobern2...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> > Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to
go
> > an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> > and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a
fucking
> > bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> > going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work.
>
> You mean a nicotine lozenge? Good for you!
>
> >Not good.

Agreed, the real issue, as I'm sure you understand, is your lack of
peace with quitting. Read Allen Carr's Easyway for help in
understanding why you smoke in the first place. If you have read this
book but did not complete it, then go back and read every word, it
will be the best thing you can do for yourself.

> Why not? NRT is a really, really valuable quit aid for many, many people.
> NRT saves lives.

Quitting smoking saves lives, NRT does not.

> > Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
>
> Well, there's not much chance of that. Even if you are on NRT "forever" (a
> phenomenon I have never encountered in all my years at as3), it still
beats
> smoking.

NRT is a form of poison, it is better than smoking, but that logic
stinks. Banging your head with a hammer is better than banging it with
the sharp end of an axe...

> When you start out with quitting, you feel like all your "meter money" is
> going to NRT (or chocolate :-) But when you look back, that NRT will seem
> like it lasted no more than the blink of an eye. Here's my meter:

The NRT companies thank you nonetheless.

> Eight years, nine months, three weeks, four days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and
57
> seconds. 161105 cigarettes not smoked, saving $24,165.79. Life saved: 1
> year, 27 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 25 minutes.
>
> Now, out of that $24K, I've spent probably a few hundred dollars U.S. on
> NRT, about $4K on kayaks (quit rewards), and about $1.5K on an art
supplies
> (quit rewards). After a few years, I couldn't spend the meter money fast
> enough. I actually added it up and posted my calculations here at as3 a
> while ago. It showed I spent, like, six grand on quitting, for which I got
> THREE kayaks (with all the appropriate accoutrements), and a fully
equipped
> art studio (oil painting, construction, collage), and freedom from
> addiction, as opposed to, oh, say LUNG CANCER -- with a multiple of that
> much meter money to spare.

Why must you reward yourself for stopping something you don't want to
do?

> If you think NRT is something you're supposed to avoid, you are
> toooootttttttallllllly thinking wrong.

Incorrect, NRT is based on confused logic, avoiding NRT is akin to
mental clarity.

> Here it is, re-posted once again, year in and year out:
>
> EVERYTHING EDNA PEARL HAS EVER LEARNED ABOUT QUITTING:
>
> ___________________
>
> Use all the quit aids you can, whatever your body can tolerate. Learn all
> the tricks and techniques you can. I relied primarily on Zyban, nicotine
> gum, ODAT, and this group.

This is unsound advice, these substances are poisonous, costly and
unnecessary.

> Research shows that people who use as many quitting aids and techniques as
> possible have a higher success rate at staying quit. This means that cold
> turkey (CT) is probably not a good first choice for trying to quit.

This research is easily debunked, feel free to post a link to it. The
success rates are generally two or so times higher than those who
don't use NRT. Don't be misled though, this is not a meaningful
number, because quitting rates are extremely low. Nothing x 2 still
equals almost nothing. People who use NRT are clearly showing a higher
degree of dedication to their quit than the average quitter, they are
out researching and buying into quit methods (even useless ones), they
are keener than the average quitter so they have around double the
success rate. NRT is not the reason these people succeed, they succeed
in spite of NRT.

> Here
> are the usual reasons for quitting CT: you don't know any better

I disagree with your statement entirely, CT is profoundly easier and
superior to NRT and should be encouraged, as long as you understand
why you smoked in the first place.

> you are a
> masochist, you have serious side-effects from NRT or Zyban, you are a
victim
> of the myth that everything will be easy once you get the nicotine out of
> your system (it won't),

It CAN be!!

> or you have had bad luck in the past with quit aids.
> IMHO, quitters, especially new quitters who haven't tried to quit
recently,
> should chomp all the gum or duct-tape all the patches their bodies can
hold.

What a profoundly confused thing to say. These patches and gum contain
poison and should not be used in high quantities, they should not be
used at all.

> Sometimes a lucky few people get "in the zone" for a blessed period of
their
> lives, and they suddenly quit CT, but they don't usually spend a lot of
time
> reading and posting to as3, so you probably are not them and are not like
> them.

They are not lucky, the are informed.

> So now I've convinced you to use NRT and all the quit aids you can
tolerate,
> right?

LOL.

> Now, here's the important stuff:

.......

> Exercise. Expect to gain some weight sooner or later, but don't let it get
> out of hand. If you combine quitting with exercise, then you're combining
> new, fresh air with new endorphins, which is a winning combination, and it
> will help keep your weight down.

Good advice.

> Beware of replacing your old addiction with new ones. For example, keep
> control of your eating and drinking. Look for healthy "addictions," like
> exercise, creativity, painting, sewing, gardening, organizing,
volunteering,
> games, sports, etc.

Substitution is a sign that you have not let go. You need not
substitute smoking with anything, once you've truly decided that you
don't want to smoke it can be easy to give up.

> (NRT is not an "addiction" - it's a treatment, so don't
> worry about staying on NRT as long as you have to.)

Please explain how NRT is not addiction. NRT involves nicotine, a
highly addictive substance, it is simply a different method of
introducing it to your body.

> It's normal to get depressed during a quit. Go to the doctor and get a
> prescription for some anti-depressants anyway. You don't get any extra
> brownie points for being any more miserable than absolutely necessary, and
> nobody with any sense will be impressed if you try to "tough it out."
> Instead, we'll probably just think you're being really silly and feel
sorry
> for you. Life is not about proving how tough you are. Don't waste it
> trying.

You aren't seriously providing general advice that people obtain anti
depressants are you? What if these people have never been diagnosed
with a depressive condition before? Scary....

> Learn how to get mad and get over it. You used to stuff all your anger in
a
> little paper tube and smoke it, and now it's going to come back to get
you.
> A lot of depression is repressed anger. If you're depressed, dig out some
> of your repressed anger, deal with it, and see if that helps.

> "Getting the nicotine out of your system" is not actually much help when
> quitting smoking. Nicotine is fairly harmless.

Absolute ROT. Nicotine is not fairly harmless at all.

> Smoking kills. NRT saves
> lives.

Garbage... smoking kills, nicotine kills, NRT is nicotine.

> Getting off NRT is not a big deal for most people. It's a
> vulnerable time, sure, and you should ask your as3 friends for help with
the
> process of getting off NRT, but it's cake compared to quitting smoking.

Getting off smoking doesn't have to be hard either, getting off NRT
should be ridiculously easy, you shouldn't be on it in the first
place.

> Stay on NRT as long as you need to. Forever, if necessary.

Shocking advice. People should not stay on NRT for prolonged periods.
I'm sure the packaging itself says that...I sure hope so.

> At some point,
> after a few weeks or months (who cares how long?) I switched from gum to
> toothpicks, and then I gradually lost interest in the toothpicks, but
that's
> just me. If you stay on NRT ten years that doesn't make you any less quit
> than I am.

If someone feels the need to fill their body with nicotine after they
smoke they are not a non-smoker. They are a smoker who doesn't have a
cigarette in their mouth. We've all been there.

> Nobody's quit is better than yours, and if they say it is, let
> me know; I'll be glad to come over there and kick their ass.

A painless and comfortable quit is 'better' than fighting cravings and
wrestling with 'nicodemons' months and years after the final smoke.

> Quitting smoking is very hard for a while, for most people. As the days
and
> weeks pass, you'll gradually start to believe that it's worth it.

Your can be a non smoker whilst your last cigarette is still in your
mouth, weeks are thankfully not required.

> Then
> you'll forget again. Then you'll remember again.

Incorrect, Allen Carr has proven countless times that this does not
have to be the case. I stand as an example. There is nothing anybody
can say to convince me this need be the case, I have experienced
clarity and comfort from day one of my quit.

> Most of us hit a really
> bad patch a few months into our quits. That's normal. Just don't smoke.

That's what bad patches are about, wanting to smoke... shouldn't we be
dealing with why we desire that smoke in the first place? We aren't
even addicted to nicotine anymore!!

> Take it one day at a time. Learn from it. Grow with it. Fall in love with
> your quit.

All your advice is given with the best of intentions, I know this, but
this is in my opinion your best advice so far.

> You have the rest of your life to be free, and the struggle that
> now seems to be lasting forever will seem like the blink of an eye in
> retrospect.
> If you "slip," if you have "just one," your quit will get harder. Smoking
a
> cigarette will not ease your distress, it will prolong it. It will get
> easier soon, but only if you don't smoke.

> There is no such thing as "just one." You can never smoke another
cigarette
> as long as you live unless you want to reactivate your addiction. You are
a
> puff away from a pack a day. If you don't accept this, I will bet you two
> hundred gazillion dollars and give you ninety-nine point nine odds to one
> that you will relapse. You might as well save yourself the trouble of
going
> through withdrawal if you think you can ever smoke again without becoming
> totally re-addicted. It ain't the way to bet. It's a stupid way to bet.
> Forget about it.

True, there is no such thing as just one smoke.

> Be honest with yourself and with as3. Don't pretend you're doing fine.
> You're not. You're quitting smoking. It's hard.

I cringe to think how many people accept this on face value...'it's
hard'.... 'it has to be hard'.... please...... stop repeating this.

Edna Pearl wrote:

<some of the most profound wisdom I've read on this newsgroup,
regardless of what trollboy said>

Thanks, EP. I'll be printing a copy of it for reference.

Cheers,
Rob

Burner Fan wrote:

> > On May 13, 10:40 am, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>

>> Be honest with yourself and with as3. Don't pretend you're doing fine.
>> You're not. You're quitting smoking. It's hard.
>
> I cringe to think how many people accept this on face value...'it's
> hard'.... 'it has to be hard'.... please...... stop repeating this.
>
No one says it HAS to be hard, douchebag.
It's accepted at face value that it IS hard because for so many people
it is TRUE. I busted more than one quit myself because I took the
effort too lightly.
Your coming in here woofing about your own particular method of quitting
as the be-all end-all is an insult to all those other folks who quit,
just as successfully as you apparently have, through the use of other
methods. In fact, many of us in here have been quit far longer than you
have, and we quit using methods other than what you propound.
SteveS
OOF (what this means, douchebag, is that I have been quit over 5 years.
And I used the patch. Successfully.)

(((Becky))) Good to see you here! Hang tough!

--
Bruce Lee: "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we
must do."
-
"Becky" <> schreef in bericht ...
> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not good.
> Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
> Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
> Becky
> Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
> saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.
>
>

Yeah thanks,Edna Pearl!
Now I may have to killfile Burner Fan. I tird not to,but he/she is
relentless in cramming his/her opinion down our throats. I use NRT,I will
continue to use NRT.Period.
Becky
Five days, 20 hours, 35 minutes and 38 seconds. 292 cigarettes not smoked,
saving $26.21. Life saved: 1 day, 20 minutes.

"Billy Bob F." <billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1b9f8d4e-d8e8-4160-90c5-48450ca14ca1@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Edna Pearl wrote:
>
> <some of the most profound wisdom I've read on this newsgroup,
> regardless of what trollboy said>
>
> Thanks, EP. I'll be printing a copy of it for reference.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob

On May 13, 9:33*am, SteveS <inyo...@spamm.ers> wrote:
> Burner Fan wrote:
> > > On May 13, 10:40 am, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>
> >> Be honest with yourself and with as3. *Don't pretend you're doing fine.
> >> You're not. *You're quitting smoking. *It's hard.
>
> > I cringe to think how many people accept this on face value...'it's
> > hard'.... 'it has to be hard'.... please...... stop repeating this.
>
> No one says it HAS to be hard, douchebag.
> It's accepted at face value that it IS hard because for so many people
> it is TRUE. *I busted more than one quit myself because I took the
> effort too lightly.
> Your coming in here woofing about your own particular method of quitting
> as the be-all end-all is an insult to all those other folks who quit,
> just as successfully as you apparently have, through the use of other
> methods. *In fact, many of us in here have been quit far longer than you
> have, and we quit using methods other than what you propound.
> SteveS
> OOF (what this means, douchebag, is that I have been quit over 5 years.
> * And I used the patch. *Successfully.)

Like talking to a brick wall Steve ...

Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
> On May 13, 9:33 am, SteveS <inyo...@spamm.ers> wrote:
>> Burner Fan wrote:
>>>>
> Like talking to a brick wall Steve ...

I know, I know... this dude arouses in me the "lesser angels of my
nature" as it were. I should take my own advice and have myself a nice
hot cup of STFU.
Sorry bout that, now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
SteveS
OOF

"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7PmdneDbX6PgbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Yeah thanks,Edna Pearl!

My pleasure!

> Now I may have to killfile Burner Fan.

Oh, I think you should if it bothers you even in the slightest. You're
going through enough right now without having to put up with trolling. And
heaven forbid you should actually find yourself tempted to interact with it.
No good could come of that!

> I tird not to,but he/she is relentless in cramming his/her opinion down
> our throats. I use NRT,I will continue to use NRT.Period.

You go girl. Whatever it takes. Glad to see you've made it through another
day! Just keep on keeping on

ep oooooooof

yeah another day survived. boy was the demon talkign to me today! But I got
thru it and didnt smoke. i anticipate it getting easier eventually. cant
wait for that happy day to arrive!
Becky
Five days, 21 hours, 36 minutes and 20 seconds. 295 cigarettes not smoked,
saving $26.40. Life saved: 1 day, 35 minutes.

"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote in message
news:5wmWj.65264$%15.1482@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
> "Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:7PmdneDbX6PgbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Yeah thanks,Edna Pearl!
>
> My pleasure!
>
>> Now I may have to killfile Burner Fan.
>
> Oh, I think you should if it bothers you even in the slightest. You're
> going through enough right now without having to put up with trolling.
> And heaven forbid you should actually find yourself tempted to interact
> with it. No good could come of that!
>
>> I tird not to,but he/she is relentless in cramming his/her opinion down
>> our throats. I use NRT,I will continue to use NRT.Period.
>
> You go girl. Whatever it takes. Glad to see you've made it through
> another day! Just keep on keeping on
>
> ep oooooooof
>
>

Thanks,Robin!
Becky
Five days, 21 hours, 33 minutes and 53 seconds. 294 cigarettes not smoked,
saving $26.39. Life saved: 1 day, 30 minutes.

"DutchVanAfoort" <zniborz@fakeAddy.con> wrote in message
news:4829ec66$0$6012$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
> (((Becky))) Good to see you here! Hang tough!
>
> --
> Bruce Lee: "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough,
> we must do."
> -
> "Becky" <> schreef in bericht ...
>> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
>> an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
>> and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a
>> fucking bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find
>> myself going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not
>> good. Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things
>> forever .
>> Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
>> Becky
>> Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
>> saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.
>>
>>
>
>

On May 13, 4:04*pm, SteveS <inyo...@spamm.ers> wrote:
> Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
>
> > On May 13, 9:33 am, SteveS <inyo...@spamm.ers> wrote:
> >> Burner Fan wrote:
>
> > Like talking to a brick wall Steve ...
>
> I know, I know... this dude arouses in me the "lesser angels of my
> nature" as it were. *I should take my own advice and have myself a nice
> hot cup of STFU.
> Sorry bout that, now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
> SteveS
> OOF

LOL -- don't worry. I was tempted too when I saw his reply to Becky's
post. But I figure this cat is a broken record. So why bother? I
think he'll soon end up in Becky's Kill File.

Cheers!

-- Marvin

One day at a time, Becky. One day at a time. You are doing GREAT. They
don't call it "hell week" for nothing, but you've got the chops this time,
the determination to get the job done.

Are you practicing "thought-stoppage"? When the demon starts talking, just
put it out of your mind. One of the main people who inspired me to quit
explained how she had recently done by simply saying, "You put it out of
your mind, and then you put it out of your mind again, and then you don't
have to put it out of your mind as often as you used to, and then, after
you've put it out of your mind about fifty gazillion times, you stop
thinking about it."

I found this was a pretty good summary of my own quit experience. And
"thought-stoppage" is a really good skill to have -- it enhances ones own
life to learn the extent to which we do have control of our thoughts, and
can focus away from one thing and toward another. Us Zen Buddhists spend
years sitting on our butts just trying to master this very simple skill :-D

It's not easy but it's worth it.

ep oooooooof


"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b-qdnaANV4ADY7TVnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> yeah another day survived. boy was the demon talkign to me today! But I
> got thru it and didnt smoke. i anticipate it getting easier eventually.
> cant wait for that happy day to arrive!
> Becky
> Five days, 21 hours, 36 minutes and 20 seconds. 295 cigarettes not smoked,
> saving $26.40. Life saved: 1 day, 35 minutes.
>
> "Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote in message
> news:5wmWj.65264$%15.1482@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
>> "Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:7PmdneDbX6PgbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Yeah thanks,Edna Pearl!
>>
>> My pleasure!
>>
>>> Now I may have to killfile Burner Fan.
>>
>> Oh, I think you should if it bothers you even in the slightest. You're
>> going through enough right now without having to put up with trolling.
>> And heaven forbid you should actually find yourself tempted to interact
>> with it. No good could come of that!
>>
>>> I tird not to,but he/she is relentless in cramming his/her opinion down
>>> our throats. I use NRT,I will continue to use NRT.Period.
>>
>> You go girl. Whatever it takes. Glad to see you've made it through
>> another day! Just keep on keeping on
>>
>> ep oooooooof
>>
>>
>
>

Smoke and I will kick your arse

Well done on 5 days

Regards Chris

<snip!>

Becky can do it! And even through the worst of my craves, the only
thing that got me through was that I didn't have to get through the
next day or hour, but the next minute. And just breathe. That and
rubbing the patches harder onto my skin.

Just think how much fun it's gonna be, with all that extra energy,
going to kick that nicodemon's butt or ranting at trolls and spammers.

I'm still here, and glad that you are too Becky,
Pike
My last quit is now 9 Months, 1 Week, 7 hours, 12 minutes and 33
seconds (281 days) old.
I have saved $1,620.28 by not smoking 3,375 cigarettes. I've spent
more on bills and junk food and geek apparel.
I have saved 1 Week, 4 Days, 17 hours and 15 minutes of my life. Now
I'll be able to catch up on my reading.
My Quit Date: 8/6/2007 9:20 AM

"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote in message
news:5xnWj.7441$Xv3.2508@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> One day at a time, Becky. One day at a time. You are doing GREAT. They
> don't call it "hell week" for nothing, but you've got the chops this time,
> the determination to get the job done.

It has now been 6 days. I am almost thru hell week. Reassure me tht it gets
better.Please!! LOL
>
> Are you practicing "thought-stoppage"? When the demon starts talking,
> just put it out of your mind.

Yeah thats what Im trying to do. Put it out of my mind.


One of the main people who inspired me to quit
> explained how she had recently done by simply saying, "You put it out of
> your mind, and then you put it out of your mind again, and then you don't
> have to put it out of your mind as often as you used to, and then, after
> you've put it out of your mind about fifty gazillion times, you stop
> thinking about it."

A day I look forward to very much.

>
> I found this was a pretty good summary of my own quit experience. And
> "thought-stoppage" is a really good skill to have -- it enhances ones own
> life to learn the extent to which we do have control of our thoughts, and
> can focus away from one thing and toward another. Us Zen Buddhists spend
> years sitting on our butts just trying to master this very simple skill
> :-D
>
> It's not easy but it's worth it.
>
> ep oooooooof

A skill I need to work on.althogh since I have been typing this,I havent
wanted to smoke! lOl
Becky
Six days, 58 minutes and 1 second. 302 cigarettes not smoked, saving $27.03.
Life saved: 1 day, 1 hour, 10 minutes.

>
> "Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:b-qdnaANV4ADY7TVnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> yeah another day survived. boy was the demon talkign to me today! But I
>> got thru it and didnt smoke. i anticipate it getting easier eventually.
>> cant wait for that happy day to arrive!
>> Becky
>> Five days, 21 hours, 36 minutes and 20 seconds. 295 cigarettes not
>> smoked, saving $26.40. Life saved: 1 day, 35 minutes.
>>
>> "Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5wmWj.65264$%15.1482@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
>>> "Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7PmdneDbX6PgbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Yeah thanks,Edna Pearl!
>>>
>>> My pleasure!
>>>
>>>> Now I may have to killfile Burner Fan.
>>>
>>> Oh, I think you should if it bothers you even in the slightest. You're
>>> going through enough right now without having to put up with trolling.
>>> And heaven forbid you should actually find yourself tempted to interact
>>> with it. No good could come of that!
>>>
>>>> I tird not to,but he/she is relentless in cramming his/her opinion down
>>>> our throats. I use NRT,I will continue to use NRT.Period.
>>>
>>> You go girl. Whatever it takes. Glad to see you've made it through
>>> another day! Just keep on keeping on
>>>
>>> ep oooooooof
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Becky, I am still so puzzled by this wretched addiction........... so many
quits failed, so much effort in trying to
win this battle, you are being very brave, I am using Champix and even so,
the thought of smoking is always present.
Hope that in few days you'll feel better, what keeps me going is the fact
that now I don't have to catch my breath after a single flight of stairs and
this will be my weapon against the sh.....sticks!
Hang on, you can do this!
My warmest wishes.

Maria


"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work. Not good.
> Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
> Off to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow.
> Becky
> Five days, 1 hour, 6 minutes and 47 seconds. 252 cigarettes not smoked,
> saving $22.58. Life saved: 21 hours, 0 minutes.
>
>

"Becky" <sobern2003@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gaOdnSCzA_N1sLfVnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It has now been 6 days. I am almost thru hell week. Reassure me tht it
> gets better.Please!! LOL

You know it will. Every single OF here at as3 is here to tell you so.

>> Are you practicing "thought-stoppage"? When the demon starts talking,
>> just put it out of your mind.
>
> Yeah thats what Im trying to do. Put it out of my mind.

WTG!

We're pulling for you, Becky. We know you can do this.

ep oooooooof

On May 12, 8:40*pm, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>
wrote:
> "Becky" <sobern2...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ku6dnbMUxt_xQ7XVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> > Still hanging in there. I have thoughts now and then about wwanting to go
> > an buy a pack of cigs and say fuck quitting. I am toughing it out though
> > and keeping my eye on the prize. Motherfucking nicodemon. Son of a fucking
> > bitch leave me in peace and let me enjoy my quit!! Fuck!!! I find myself
> > going and getting a lozenge in times of boredome like at work.
>
> You mean a nicotine lozenge? *Good for you!
>
> >Not good.
>
> Why not? *NRT is a really, really valuable quit aid for many, many people.
> NRT saves lives.
>
> > Gonna have to work on that. I dont want to be on thse things forever .
>
> Well, there's not much chance of that. *Even if you are on NRT "forever"(a
> phenomenon I have never encountered in all my years at as3), it still beats
> smoking.
>
> When you start out with quitting, you feel like all your "meter money" is
> going to NRT (or chocolate *:-) *But when you look back, that NRT willseem
> like it lasted no more than the blink of an eye. * Here's my meter:
>
> Eight years, nine months, three weeks, four days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and 57
> seconds. 161105 cigarettes not smoked, saving $24,165.79. Life saved: 1
> year, 27 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 25 minutes.
>
> Now, out of that $24K, *I've spent probably a few hundred dollars U.S. on
> NRT, about $4K on kayaks (quit rewards), and about $1.5K on an art supplies
> (quit rewards). *After a few years, I couldn't spend the meter money fast
> enough. *I actually added it up and posted my calculations here at as3 a
> while ago. *It showed I spent, like, six grand on quitting, for which I got
> THREE kayaks (with all the appropriate accoutrements), and a fully equipped
> art studio (oil painting, construction, collage), and freedom from
> addiction, as opposed to, oh, say LUNG CANCER -- with a multiple of that
> much meter money to spare.
>
> If you think NRT is something you're supposed to avoid, you are
> toooootttttttallllllly thinking wrong.
>
> Here it is, re-posted once again, year in and year out:
>
> EVERYTHING EDNA PEARL HAS EVER LEARNED ABOUT QUITTING:
>
> ___________________
>
> Use all the quit aids you can, whatever your body can tolerate. *Learn all
> the tricks and techniques you can. *I relied primarily on Zyban, nicotine
> gum, ODAT, and this group.
>
> Research shows that people who use as many quitting aids and techniques as
> possible have a higher success rate at staying quit. *This means that cold
> turkey (CT) is probably not a good first choice for trying to quit. *Here
> are the usual reasons for quitting CT: *you don't know any better, you are a
> masochist, you have serious side-effects from NRT or Zyban, you are a victim
> of the myth that everything will be easy once you get the nicotine out of
> your system (it won't), or you have had bad luck in the past with quit aids.
> IMHO, quitters, especially new quitters who haven't tried to quit recently,
> should chomp all the gum or duct-tape all the patches their bodies can hold.
>
> Sometimes a lucky few people get "in the zone" for a blessed period of their
> lives, and they suddenly quit CT, but they don't usually spend a lot of time
> reading and posting to as3, so you probably are not them and are not like
> them.
>
> So now I've convinced you to use NRT and all the quit aids you can tolerate,
> right? *Now, here's the important stuff:
>
> Exercise. *Expect to gain some weight sooner or later, but don't let it get