Dear Jef....

Yes, I know you said "goodbye", but I'm not sure what that means.
<Envisioning the eye rolling going on> You may have kill filed me.
You may have just decided to no longer read my posts. You may just
mean you're not dealing with "the issue" any longer. Since there's an
excellent possibility that you won't read this I'm figuring that one
of your friends will apprise you of the content. If not, it just
doesn't matter. I'm writing this for me. Whoopee.
First of all, please take the hex off of my computer. Yes, I know you
did it. I just know. I can't download any new messages, but I can,
based on another NG, post. Imagine my frustration this morning when I
realized you've deviously screwed with my Usenet. (Yes, I'm kidding.
It's happened before with Earthlink).
I read your reply to my last post on Google. Ewwww. I believe that
at one time I set myself up to post there but I don't remember my pass
word so I'm stuck doing this. I read your reply this morning and
don't really feel like fussing around finding it again. So, please
excuse any inaccuracy (which you will, I'm sure, be quick to point
out).
When I said, "Jef, I'm happy that you have lots of money and lots of
time to do what you want. That's wonderful. I don't..." you shot
back (in high dudgeon it seemed to me) with the fact that I know
nothing about you. Well, you're right. I assumed that you had enough
money to go to various meets. OK, let me rephrase that. "Jef, I'm
happy that you have enough money or credit or friends willing to pay
your way, or freebies on plains, trains and hotels....". That ought
to cover that.
Now, after excoriating *me* for making assumptions about you you
proceeded to give me a $2 psych evaluation (paranoia - very nice). How
is it that you know enough about me to do this? Please let me know
right away if you have a degree in psychology, preferably advanced,
or, better yet a doctorate in psychiatry. If any of this is the case
I need to know so that I can copy off your evaluation, take it to
Social Security and retire on disability. I'm sure they'll take your
word for it.
You suggested that I might want to kill file you. Well, I can't do
that unless you remove the hex. Alas, Google doesn't have a killfile.
Not that I know of. Anyway, as 4th assistant to the 3rd
undersecretary to the 2nd vice-president of your fan club why ever
would I want to do that? OK. I probably would right now on a
temporary basis just to be over and done with this. I love your
writing. Well, not the excoriating (will that pass the spell check?)
ones, but I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
your scathing replies to me. Actually, even though I've been the
subject (my own doing) I'd still give ya a 9.5. I'd give ya a 9.7 if
you'd called me a bitch and a perfect 10 if you'd called me a fucking
bitch. Maybe next time, huh?
Onward. You made mention of the fact that you thought I was pretty
laid back. Ha! And you thought you knew me well enough for the
evaluation. Actually, on Usenet I generally am. In RL I've got a
nasty, rotten flashfire temper. You said something about you being
socially inept (I don't remember if this is still the case or if
you've gotten over it). Please, Jef. Compared to me you're Mr
Congeniality and the most popular boy in the class. Anyway, here's
the thing. I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....

<drum roll>


<trumpet flourish>



THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(at which point I went right to sleep)


There is little chance I will ever meet anyone here (I've cancelled
our reservations at Pea Soup Andersen's now that I know you won't be
coming). There are maybe 5 people on this NG whom I would feel
comfortable meeting (surprise!! You aren't one of them - certainly
not now - I know you're upset about this). (If you ever have another
"general" meet I promise I won't come even if invited - fat chance -
LOL - I can see it now - "we're having a meet in Buttfuck MO and
everyone is invited except Sue"). So, as much as I do like most
people here I recognize what this is for me.
Now, I should do the "right" thing and bid you all a fond adieu. Nope.
Not gonna happen. Sorry. If you take the hex off of my computer I
will continue to post - a bit. Expecting no responses, of course,
being the pariah that I now am (I did it up well, don't I?). But, I
post for my pleasure. I don't believe you can stop me from doing
this. (joking again)
I'm truly sorry that I had such an old and small picture on the
picture sight. I'm sure you would come up with something incredibly
witty to make of me. If I had something better I'd send it to you.
Now I'm off the Sportsman's club where they shoot guns and there are
ash trays (which I don't need) on the tables.
Oh, and since I've probably offended 95% of this NG for insulting the
favorite son (were you *my* son you'd be at least 2nd favorite) here's
my greatest sin of all in case you missed it - I love Wal*Mart. I
love it, love it, love it. I shop there at least once a week. I'm
unrepentant!!!! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!!
Damn, I enjoyed writing this post. Thanks!!!
So, dear Jef, ttfn. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep making us
laugh. You're a sweetheart - really - even I think so.
Sue - 1st class, A1, Genuine, Double Rectified, USDA Prime Grade,
non-smoking Bitch!

((((((SUE))))))

Glad you added the "USDA Prime Grade" to your bitchiness. I do think
it adds a certain touch o' class.
Did you get the stamp on your buttock??

/loves Jef too

Ashley

((((((SUE))))))

Glad you added the "USDA Prime Grade" to your bitchiness. I do think
it adds a certain touch o' class.
Did you get the stamp on your buttock??

/loves Jef too

Ashley

Wow, that was A LOT of writing....

Wow, that was A LOT of writing....

From one bitch to another:

(((((((((((( Sue )))))))))))))))




"Sue" <sebrady@thegrid.net> wrote in message
news:l692b318kll9rlgfi62k1im3ehl8tajrq7@4ax.com...
> I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From one bitch to another:

(((((((((((( Sue )))))))))))))))




"Sue" <sebrady@thegrid.net> wrote in message
news:l692b318kll9rlgfi62k1im3ehl8tajrq7@4ax.com...
> I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh dear.

All of this because someone had a party and didn't invite the whole of AS3?

This has happened before, actually. A few years ago, my then-significant
other (now lovingly referred to as "the asshole") and I hosted several
"meets" in Philadelphia. Eventually we had occasion to invite just a few
friends out. We didn't want a "meet". We just wanted a few friends, for a
small gathering. Yes, some of those friends-- maybe even most of them--
were people I had met at AS3, but it wasn't an AS3 meet.

From some of the e-mails I received once word got out that this gathering
had taken place, you would have thought I'd committed the most egregious
possible sin, in just inviting a few friends up to spend a weekend. I
really didn't understand it. I was just sorry that it was something I felt
pressured to keep under wraps, as it didn't seem like the kind of thing I
wanted to have to keep quiet. I really just wanted to be able to celebrate
the good friendships I had found here.

Ultimately, I suspect this simply points out one of the beautiful things
about this group. People do become friends here. Sometimes like minded
people connect with like minded people, and then it's not so much about the
quit connection anymore as it is just about the connection in general. And
it happens for lots of people here.

People meet in real life from this group. They do odd things afterward,
like get married to each other, or-- like I eventually did-- move thousands
of miles to become housemates with each other. Not all of it is group
stuff, but all of it is group possible. We didn't all get invited to Eddie
and Diane's wedding, or honeymoon, and we didn't all get invited to come to
California and live in a house with Tammy McNiff. But, with deep bonds,
that happened for one or two of us.

My hope is that some of this might happen for others here. For you too, Sue.
Maybe you and I aren't like-minded in the way some of my quit-buddies here
have been for me, but there are lots of different kinds of people here, and
bonds form.

I guess I'm just saying that I hope you'll stick around here. The group is
big enough to accommodate all of us. We're not all the same, we don't all
see eye to eye, but we do all share this terrific journey, and that in
itself is a bond that can't be broken.

big hugs for you tonight,

elle

"Sue" <sebrady@thegrid.net> wrote in message
news:l692b318kll9rlgfi62k1im3ehl8tajrq7@4ax.com...
> Yes, I know you said "goodbye", but I'm not sure what that means.
> <Envisioning the eye rolling going on> You may have kill filed me.
> You may have just decided to no longer read my posts. You may just
> mean you're not dealing with "the issue" any longer. Since there's an
> excellent possibility that you won't read this I'm figuring that one
> of your friends will apprise you of the content. If not, it just
> doesn't matter. I'm writing this for me. Whoopee.
> First of all, please take the hex off of my computer. Yes, I know you
> did it. I just know. I can't download any new messages, but I can,
> based on another NG, post. Imagine my frustration this morning when I
> realized you've deviously screwed with my Usenet. (Yes, I'm kidding.
> It's happened before with Earthlink).
> I read your reply to my last post on Google. Ewwww. I believe that
> at one time I set myself up to post there but I don't remember my pass
> word so I'm stuck doing this. I read your reply this morning and
> don't really feel like fussing around finding it again. So, please
> excuse any inaccuracy (which you will, I'm sure, be quick to point
> out).
> When I said, "Jef, I'm happy that you have lots of money and lots of
> time to do what you want. That's wonderful. I don't..." you shot
> back (in high dudgeon it seemed to me) with the fact that I know
> nothing about you. Well, you're right. I assumed that you had enough
> money to go to various meets. OK, let me rephrase that. "Jef, I'm
> happy that you have enough money or credit or friends willing to pay
> your way, or freebies on plains, trains and hotels....". That ought
> to cover that.
> Now, after excoriating *me* for making assumptions about you you
> proceeded to give me a $2 psych evaluation (paranoia - very nice). How
> is it that you know enough about me to do this? Please let me know
> right away if you have a degree in psychology, preferably advanced,
> or, better yet a doctorate in psychiatry. If any of this is the case
> I need to know so that I can copy off your evaluation, take it to
> Social Security and retire on disability. I'm sure they'll take your
> word for it.
> You suggested that I might want to kill file you. Well, I can't do
> that unless you remove the hex. Alas, Google doesn't have a killfile.
> Not that I know of. Anyway, as 4th assistant to the 3rd
> undersecretary to the 2nd vice-president of your fan club why ever
> would I want to do that? OK. I probably would right now on a
> temporary basis just to be over and done with this. I love your
> writing. Well, not the excoriating (will that pass the spell check?)
> ones, but I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me. Actually, even though I've been the
> subject (my own doing) I'd still give ya a 9.5. I'd give ya a 9.7 if
> you'd called me a bitch and a perfect 10 if you'd called me a fucking
> bitch. Maybe next time, huh?
> Onward. You made mention of the fact that you thought I was pretty
> laid back. Ha! And you thought you knew me well enough for the
> evaluation. Actually, on Usenet I generally am. In RL I've got a
> nasty, rotten flashfire temper. You said something about you being
> socially inept (I don't remember if this is still the case or if
> you've gotten over it). Please, Jef. Compared to me you're Mr
> Congeniality and the most popular boy in the class. Anyway, here's
> the thing. I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> <drum roll>
>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
>
> There is little chance I will ever meet anyone here (I've cancelled
> our reservations at Pea Soup Andersen's now that I know you won't be
> coming). There are maybe 5 people on this NG whom I would feel
> comfortable meeting (surprise!! You aren't one of them - certainly
> not now - I know you're upset about this). (If you ever have another
> "general" meet I promise I won't come even if invited - fat chance -
> LOL - I can see it now - "we're having a meet in Buttfuck MO and
> everyone is invited except Sue"). So, as much as I do like most
> people here I recognize what this is for me.
> Now, I should do the "right" thing and bid you all a fond adieu. Nope.
> Not gonna happen. Sorry. If you take the hex off of my computer I
> will continue to post - a bit. Expecting no responses, of course,
> being the pariah that I now am (I did it up well, don't I?). But, I
> post for my pleasure. I don't believe you can stop me from doing
> this. (joking again)
> I'm truly sorry that I had such an old and small picture on the
> picture sight. I'm sure you would come up with something incredibly
> witty to make of me. If I had something better I'd send it to you.
> Now I'm off the Sportsman's club where they shoot guns and there are
> ash trays (which I don't need) on the tables.
> Oh, and since I've probably offended 95% of this NG for insulting the
> favorite son (were you *my* son you'd be at least 2nd favorite) here's
> my greatest sin of all in case you missed it - I love Wal*Mart. I
> love it, love it, love it. I shop there at least once a week. I'm
> unrepentant!!!! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!!
> Damn, I enjoyed writing this post. Thanks!!!
> So, dear Jef, ttfn. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep making us
> laugh. You're a sweetheart - really - even I think so.
> Sue - 1st class, A1, Genuine, Double Rectified, USDA Prime Grade,
> non-smoking Bitch!
>

Oh dear.

All of this because someone had a party and didn't invite the whole of AS3?

This has happened before, actually. A few years ago, my then-significant
other (now lovingly referred to as "the asshole") and I hosted several
"meets" in Philadelphia. Eventually we had occasion to invite just a few
friends out. We didn't want a "meet". We just wanted a few friends, for a
small gathering. Yes, some of those friends-- maybe even most of them--
were people I had met at AS3, but it wasn't an AS3 meet.

From some of the e-mails I received once word got out that this gathering
had taken place, you would have thought I'd committed the most egregious
possible sin, in just inviting a few friends up to spend a weekend. I
really didn't understand it. I was just sorry that it was something I felt
pressured to keep under wraps, as it didn't seem like the kind of thing I
wanted to have to keep quiet. I really just wanted to be able to celebrate
the good friendships I had found here.

Ultimately, I suspect this simply points out one of the beautiful things
about this group. People do become friends here. Sometimes like minded
people connect with like minded people, and then it's not so much about the
quit connection anymore as it is just about the connection in general. And
it happens for lots of people here.

People meet in real life from this group. They do odd things afterward,
like get married to each other, or-- like I eventually did-- move thousands
of miles to become housemates with each other. Not all of it is group
stuff, but all of it is group possible. We didn't all get invited to Eddie
and Diane's wedding, or honeymoon, and we didn't all get invited to come to
California and live in a house with Tammy McNiff. But, with deep bonds,
that happened for one or two of us.

My hope is that some of this might happen for others here. For you too, Sue.
Maybe you and I aren't like-minded in the way some of my quit-buddies here
have been for me, but there are lots of different kinds of people here, and
bonds form.

I guess I'm just saying that I hope you'll stick around here. The group is
big enough to accommodate all of us. We're not all the same, we don't all
see eye to eye, but we do all share this terrific journey, and that in
itself is a bond that can't be broken.

big hugs for you tonight,

elle

"Sue" <sebrady@thegrid.net> wrote in message
news:l692b318kll9rlgfi62k1im3ehl8tajrq7@4ax.com...
> Yes, I know you said "goodbye", but I'm not sure what that means.
> <Envisioning the eye rolling going on> You may have kill filed me.
> You may have just decided to no longer read my posts. You may just
> mean you're not dealing with "the issue" any longer. Since there's an
> excellent possibility that you won't read this I'm figuring that one
> of your friends will apprise you of the content. If not, it just
> doesn't matter. I'm writing this for me. Whoopee.
> First of all, please take the hex off of my computer. Yes, I know you
> did it. I just know. I can't download any new messages, but I can,
> based on another NG, post. Imagine my frustration this morning when I
> realized you've deviously screwed with my Usenet. (Yes, I'm kidding.
> It's happened before with Earthlink).
> I read your reply to my last post on Google. Ewwww. I believe that
> at one time I set myself up to post there but I don't remember my pass
> word so I'm stuck doing this. I read your reply this morning and
> don't really feel like fussing around finding it again. So, please
> excuse any inaccuracy (which you will, I'm sure, be quick to point
> out).
> When I said, "Jef, I'm happy that you have lots of money and lots of
> time to do what you want. That's wonderful. I don't..." you shot
> back (in high dudgeon it seemed to me) with the fact that I know
> nothing about you. Well, you're right. I assumed that you had enough
> money to go to various meets. OK, let me rephrase that. "Jef, I'm
> happy that you have enough money or credit or friends willing to pay
> your way, or freebies on plains, trains and hotels....". That ought
> to cover that.
> Now, after excoriating *me* for making assumptions about you you
> proceeded to give me a $2 psych evaluation (paranoia - very nice). How
> is it that you know enough about me to do this? Please let me know
> right away if you have a degree in psychology, preferably advanced,
> or, better yet a doctorate in psychiatry. If any of this is the case
> I need to know so that I can copy off your evaluation, take it to
> Social Security and retire on disability. I'm sure they'll take your
> word for it.
> You suggested that I might want to kill file you. Well, I can't do
> that unless you remove the hex. Alas, Google doesn't have a killfile.
> Not that I know of. Anyway, as 4th assistant to the 3rd
> undersecretary to the 2nd vice-president of your fan club why ever
> would I want to do that? OK. I probably would right now on a
> temporary basis just to be over and done with this. I love your
> writing. Well, not the excoriating (will that pass the spell check?)
> ones, but I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me. Actually, even though I've been the
> subject (my own doing) I'd still give ya a 9.5. I'd give ya a 9.7 if
> you'd called me a bitch and a perfect 10 if you'd called me a fucking
> bitch. Maybe next time, huh?
> Onward. You made mention of the fact that you thought I was pretty
> laid back. Ha! And you thought you knew me well enough for the
> evaluation. Actually, on Usenet I generally am. In RL I've got a
> nasty, rotten flashfire temper. You said something about you being
> socially inept (I don't remember if this is still the case or if
> you've gotten over it). Please, Jef. Compared to me you're Mr
> Congeniality and the most popular boy in the class. Anyway, here's
> the thing. I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> <drum roll>
>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
>
> There is little chance I will ever meet anyone here (I've cancelled
> our reservations at Pea Soup Andersen's now that I know you won't be
> coming). There are maybe 5 people on this NG whom I would feel
> comfortable meeting (surprise!! You aren't one of them - certainly
> not now - I know you're upset about this). (If you ever have another
> "general" meet I promise I won't come even if invited - fat chance -
> LOL - I can see it now - "we're having a meet in Buttfuck MO and
> everyone is invited except Sue"). So, as much as I do like most
> people here I recognize what this is for me.
> Now, I should do the "right" thing and bid you all a fond adieu. Nope.
> Not gonna happen. Sorry. If you take the hex off of my computer I
> will continue to post - a bit. Expecting no responses, of course,
> being the pariah that I now am (I did it up well, don't I?). But, I
> post for my pleasure. I don't believe you can stop me from doing
> this. (joking again)
> I'm truly sorry that I had such an old and small picture on the
> picture sight. I'm sure you would come up with something incredibly
> witty to make of me. If I had something better I'd send it to you.
> Now I'm off the Sportsman's club where they shoot guns and there are
> ash trays (which I don't need) on the tables.
> Oh, and since I've probably offended 95% of this NG for insulting the
> favorite son (were you *my* son you'd be at least 2nd favorite) here's
> my greatest sin of all in case you missed it - I love Wal*Mart. I
> love it, love it, love it. I shop there at least once a week. I'm
> unrepentant!!!! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!!
> Damn, I enjoyed writing this post. Thanks!!!
> So, dear Jef, ttfn. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep making us
> laugh. You're a sweetheart - really - even I think so.
> Sue - 1st class, A1, Genuine, Double Rectified, USDA Prime Grade,
> non-smoking Bitch!
>

On 2 Aug, 02:26, Sue <sebr...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> Yes, I know you said "goodbye", but I'm not sure what that means.
> <Envisioning the eye rolling going on> You may have kill filed me.
> You may have just decided to no longer read my posts. You may just
> mean you're not dealing with "the issue" any longer. Since there's an
> excellent possibility that you won't read this I'm figuring that one
> of your friends will apprise you of the content. If not, it just
> doesn't matter. I'm writing this for me. Whoopee.
> First of all, please take the hex off of my computer. Yes, I know you
> did it. I just know. I can't download any new messages, but I can,
> based on another NG, post. Imagine my frustration this morning when I
> realized you've deviously screwed with my Usenet. (Yes, I'm kidding.
> It's happened before with Earthlink).
> I read your reply to my last post on Google. Ewwww. I believe that
> at one time I set myself up to post there but I don't remember my pass
> word so I'm stuck doing this. I read your reply this morning and
> don't really feel like fussing around finding it again. So, please
> excuse any inaccuracy (which you will, I'm sure, be quick to point
> out).
> When I said, "Jef, I'm happy that you have lots of money and lots of
> time to do what you want. That's wonderful. I don't..." you shot
> back (in high dudgeon it seemed to me) with the fact that I know
> nothing about you. Well, you're right. I assumed that you had enough
> money to go to various meets. OK, let me rephrase that. "Jef, I'm
> happy that you have enough money or credit or friends willing to pay
> your way, or freebies on plains, trains and hotels....". That ought
> to cover that.
> Now, after excoriating *me* for making assumptions about you you
> proceeded to give me a $2 psych evaluation (paranoia - very nice). How
> is it that you know enough about me to do this? Please let me know
> right away if you have a degree in psychology, preferably advanced,
> or, better yet a doctorate in psychiatry. If any of this is the case
> I need to know so that I can copy off your evaluation, take it to
> Social Security and retire on disability. I'm sure they'll take your
> word for it.
> You suggested that I might want to kill file you. Well, I can't do
> that unless you remove the hex. Alas, Google doesn't have a killfile.
> Not that I know of. Anyway, as 4th assistant to the 3rd
> undersecretary to the 2nd vice-president of your fan club why ever
> would I want to do that? OK. I probably would right now on a
> temporary basis just to be over and done with this. I love your
> writing. Well, not the excoriating (will that pass the spell check?)
> ones, but I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me. Actually, even though I've been the
> subject (my own doing) I'd still give ya a 9.5. I'd give ya a 9.7 if
> you'd called me a bitch and a perfect 10 if you'd called me a fucking
> bitch. Maybe next time, huh?
> Onward. You made mention of the fact that you thought I was pretty
> laid back. Ha! And you thought you knew me well enough for the
> evaluation. Actually, on Usenet I generally am. In RL I've got a
> nasty, rotten flashfire temper. You said something about you being
> socially inept (I don't remember if this is still the case or if
> you've gotten over it). Please, Jef. Compared to me you're Mr
> Congeniality and the most popular boy in the class. Anyway, here's
> the thing. I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> <drum roll>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> There is little chance I will ever meet anyone here (I've cancelled
> our reservations at Pea Soup Andersen's now that I know you won't be
> coming). There are maybe 5 people on this NG whom I would feel
> comfortable meeting (surprise!! You aren't one of them - certainly
> not now - I know you're upset about this). (If you ever have another
> "general" meet I promise I won't come even if invited - fat chance -
> LOL - I can see it now - "we're having a meet in Buttfuck MO and
> everyone is invited except Sue"). So, as much as I do like most
> people here I recognize what this is for me.
> Now, I should do the "right" thing and bid you all a fond adieu. Nope.
> Not gonna happen. Sorry. If you take the hex off of my computer I
> will continue to post - a bit. Expecting no responses, of course,
> being the pariah that I now am (I did it up well, don't I?). But, I
> post for my pleasure. I don't believe you can stop me from doing
> this. (joking again)
> I'm truly sorry that I had such an old and small picture on the
> picture sight. I'm sure you would come up with something incredibly
> witty to make of me. If I had something better I'd send it to you.
> Now I'm off the Sportsman's club where they shoot guns and there are
> ash trays (which I don't need) on the tables.
> Oh, and since I've probably offended 95% of this NG for insulting the
> favorite son (were you *my* son you'd be at least 2nd favorite) here's
> my greatest sin of all in case you missed it - I love Wal*Mart. I
> love it, love it, love it. I shop there at least once a week. I'm
> unrepentant!!!! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!!
> Damn, I enjoyed writing this post. Thanks!!!
> So, dear Jef, ttfn. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep making us
> laugh. You're a sweetheart - really - even I think so.
> Sue - 1st class, A1, Genuine, Double Rectified, USDA Prime Grade,
> non-smoking Bitch!

I have obviously missed something, wouldn't be the first time.....
Dam I could have chipped in and taken the piss some where along the
line Sue... 1st class A, Genuine, Double rectified, USDA (?) prime
grade non smoking bitch....yeah yeah yeah....you big softy

Regard Chris (the 5% Gwan try you can't)

On 2 Aug, 02:26, Sue <sebr...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> Yes, I know you said "goodbye", but I'm not sure what that means.
> <Envisioning the eye rolling going on> You may have kill filed me.
> You may have just decided to no longer read my posts. You may just
> mean you're not dealing with "the issue" any longer. Since there's an
> excellent possibility that you won't read this I'm figuring that one
> of your friends will apprise you of the content. If not, it just
> doesn't matter. I'm writing this for me. Whoopee.
> First of all, please take the hex off of my computer. Yes, I know you
> did it. I just know. I can't download any new messages, but I can,
> based on another NG, post. Imagine my frustration this morning when I
> realized you've deviously screwed with my Usenet. (Yes, I'm kidding.
> It's happened before with Earthlink).
> I read your reply to my last post on Google. Ewwww. I believe that
> at one time I set myself up to post there but I don't remember my pass
> word so I'm stuck doing this. I read your reply this morning and
> don't really feel like fussing around finding it again. So, please
> excuse any inaccuracy (which you will, I'm sure, be quick to point
> out).
> When I said, "Jef, I'm happy that you have lots of money and lots of
> time to do what you want. That's wonderful. I don't..." you shot
> back (in high dudgeon it seemed to me) with the fact that I know
> nothing about you. Well, you're right. I assumed that you had enough
> money to go to various meets. OK, let me rephrase that. "Jef, I'm
> happy that you have enough money or credit or friends willing to pay
> your way, or freebies on plains, trains and hotels....". That ought
> to cover that.
> Now, after excoriating *me* for making assumptions about you you
> proceeded to give me a $2 psych evaluation (paranoia - very nice). How
> is it that you know enough about me to do this? Please let me know
> right away if you have a degree in psychology, preferably advanced,
> or, better yet a doctorate in psychiatry. If any of this is the case
> I need to know so that I can copy off your evaluation, take it to
> Social Security and retire on disability. I'm sure they'll take your
> word for it.
> You suggested that I might want to kill file you. Well, I can't do
> that unless you remove the hex. Alas, Google doesn't have a killfile.
> Not that I know of. Anyway, as 4th assistant to the 3rd
> undersecretary to the 2nd vice-president of your fan club why ever
> would I want to do that? OK. I probably would right now on a
> temporary basis just to be over and done with this. I love your
> writing. Well, not the excoriating (will that pass the spell check?)
> ones, but I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me. Actually, even though I've been the
> subject (my own doing) I'd still give ya a 9.5. I'd give ya a 9.7 if
> you'd called me a bitch and a perfect 10 if you'd called me a fucking
> bitch. Maybe next time, huh?
> Onward. You made mention of the fact that you thought I was pretty
> laid back. Ha! And you thought you knew me well enough for the
> evaluation. Actually, on Usenet I generally am. In RL I've got a
> nasty, rotten flashfire temper. You said something about you being
> socially inept (I don't remember if this is still the case or if
> you've gotten over it). Please, Jef. Compared to me you're Mr
> Congeniality and the most popular boy in the class. Anyway, here's
> the thing. I started taking this news group too seriously - I've
> gotten waaay too involved. Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
>
> <drum roll>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> There is little chance I will ever meet anyone here (I've cancelled
> our reservations at Pea Soup Andersen's now that I know you won't be
> coming). There are maybe 5 people on this NG whom I would feel
> comfortable meeting (surprise!! You aren't one of them - certainly
> not now - I know you're upset about this). (If you ever have another
> "general" meet I promise I won't come even if invited - fat chance -
> LOL - I can see it now - "we're having a meet in Buttfuck MO and
> everyone is invited except Sue"). So, as much as I do like most
> people here I recognize what this is for me.
> Now, I should do the "right" thing and bid you all a fond adieu. Nope.
> Not gonna happen. Sorry. If you take the hex off of my computer I
> will continue to post - a bit. Expecting no responses, of course,
> being the pariah that I now am (I did it up well, don't I?). But, I
> post for my pleasure. I don't believe you can stop me from doing
> this. (joking again)
> I'm truly sorry that I had such an old and small picture on the
> picture sight. I'm sure you would come up with something incredibly
> witty to make of me. If I had something better I'd send it to you.
> Now I'm off the Sportsman's club where they shoot guns and there are
> ash trays (which I don't need) on the tables.
> Oh, and since I've probably offended 95% of this NG for insulting the
> favorite son (were you *my* son you'd be at least 2nd favorite) here's
> my greatest sin of all in case you missed it - I love Wal*Mart. I
> love it, love it, love it. I shop there at least once a week. I'm
> unrepentant!!!! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!!
> Damn, I enjoyed writing this post. Thanks!!!
> So, dear Jef, ttfn. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep making us
> laugh. You're a sweetheart - really - even I think so.
> Sue - 1st class, A1, Genuine, Double Rectified, USDA Prime Grade,
> non-smoking Bitch!

I have obviously missed something, wouldn't be the first time.....
Dam I could have chipped in and taken the piss some where along the
line Sue... 1st class A, Genuine, Double rectified, USDA (?) prime
grade non smoking bitch....yeah yeah yeah....you big softy

Regard Chris (the 5% Gwan try you can't)

> "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me....

Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
questioned Cat's veracity in the process. You displayed a completely
uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
attempted to correct your misconceptions.
What an amazing display of foul temper!

> Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> <drum roll>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)

Oh, how endearing; how cute. So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
the sleep of the innocent...

Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on? There's no consequence to
your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar, or insist that your
pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
doesn't require your approval; it simply is. When you ask for it, then piss
and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar, it definitely
counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
it out of existence. You owe me an apology, and if you had any class at
all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.

You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
through a blender and threw them against the wall. All sorts of stuff is
just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...

You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
reason aside? I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.

It does not.
It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
more like sad and mystifying truth. But you seem to revel in it, and emit no
slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.

I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.
I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer. I certainly
don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
remorse or contrition-- so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
enough from both of us on the subject.

> "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> your scathing replies to me....

Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
questioned Cat's veracity in the process. You displayed a completely
uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
attempted to correct your misconceptions.
What an amazing display of foul temper!

> Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> <drum roll>
>
> <trumpet flourish>
>
> THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> (at which point I went right to sleep)

Oh, how endearing; how cute. So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
the sleep of the innocent...

Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on? There's no consequence to
your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar, or insist that your
pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
doesn't require your approval; it simply is. When you ask for it, then piss
and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar, it definitely
counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
it out of existence. You owe me an apology, and if you had any class at
all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.

You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
through a blender and threw them against the wall. All sorts of stuff is
just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...

You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
reason aside? I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.

It does not.
It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
more like sad and mystifying truth. But you seem to revel in it, and emit no
slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.

I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.
I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer. I certainly
don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
remorse or contrition-- so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
enough from both of us on the subject.

On 2 Aug, 06:56, " Jef." <jefo...@BITEMEcomcast.net> wrote:
> > "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> > your scathing replies to me....
>
> Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
> I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
> aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
> questioned Cat's veracity in the process. You displayed a completely
> uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
> for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
> attempted to correct your misconceptions.
> What an amazing display of foul temper!
>
> > Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> > had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> > <drum roll>
>
> > <trumpet flourish>
>
> > THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> Oh, how endearing; how cute. So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
> the sleep of the innocent...
>
> Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
> think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
> decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on? There's no consequence to
> your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
> USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar, or insist that your
> pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
> doesn't require your approval; it simply is. When you ask for it, then piss
> and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar, it definitely
> counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
> you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
> it out of existence. You owe me an apology, and if you had any class at
> all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.
>
> You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
> trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
> through a blender and threw them against the wall. All sorts of stuff is
> just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
> You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
> comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...
>
> You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
> involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
> reason aside? I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
> with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
> Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
> claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
> you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.
>
> It does not.
> It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
> unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
> throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
> mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
> more like sad and mystifying truth. But you seem to revel in it, and emit no
> slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
> wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.
>
> I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
> discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.
> I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
> I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
> you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer. I certainly
> don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
> remorse or contrition-- so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
> just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
> enough from both of us on the subject.

Not wanting to keep this going or anything but this Usenet thing ...I
type all sorts of shit on here and wouldn't dream of doing so in real
life when I was younger I used to think I could get on with most folk
if they didn't like me I didn't care I just treated everyone as a
friend. now I'm older I know that some folk clash and there is nothing
you can do about it..... my tuppence.
Chris

On 2 Aug, 06:56, " Jef." <jefo...@BITEMEcomcast.net> wrote:
> > "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> > your scathing replies to me....
>
> Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
> I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
> aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
> questioned Cat's veracity in the process. You displayed a completely
> uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
> for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
> attempted to correct your misconceptions.
> What an amazing display of foul temper!
>
> > Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> > had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> > <drum roll>
>
> > <trumpet flourish>
>
> > THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> Oh, how endearing; how cute. So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
> the sleep of the innocent...
>
> Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
> think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
> decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on? There's no consequence to
> your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
> USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar, or insist that your
> pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
> doesn't require your approval; it simply is. When you ask for it, then piss
> and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar, it definitely
> counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
> you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
> it out of existence. You owe me an apology, and if you had any class at
> all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.
>
> You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
> trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
> through a blender and threw them against the wall. All sorts of stuff is
> just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
> You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
> comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...
>
> You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
> involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
> reason aside? I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
> with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
> Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
> claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
> you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.
>
> It does not.
> It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
> unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
> throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
> mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
> more like sad and mystifying truth. But you seem to revel in it, and emit no
> slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
> wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.
>
> I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
> discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.
> I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
> I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
> you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer. I certainly
> don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
> remorse or contrition-- so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
> just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
> enough from both of us on the subject.

Not wanting to keep this going or anything but this Usenet thing ...I
type all sorts of shit on here and wouldn't dream of doing so in real
life when I was younger I used to think I could get on with most folk
if they didn't like me I didn't care I just treated everyone as a
friend. now I'm older I know that some folk clash and there is nothing
you can do about it..... my tuppence.
Chris

On Aug 1, 10:56 pm, " Jef." <jefo...@BITEMEcomcast.net> wrote:
> > "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> > your scathing replies to me....
>
> Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
> I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
> aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
> questioned Cat's veracity in the process.

Cat was thoroughly kind in her reply to me. She did state that she
had previously met in person *all* of the guests she invited. I was
under the impression that she had never met Steve and Sarah in
person. Because I was not certain of this I didn't make a flat
statement. I certainly apologize if I was wrong.
I did not chastise you for telling me the truth. I agreed in part
with you. After delivering it you went off on a semi-rant against
me. No, I wasn't going to take that.

You displayed a completely
> uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
> for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
> attempted to correct your misconceptions.

The finger pointing you exhibited in your original post to me was not
taken too well.

> What an amazing display of foul temper!

<snerk> You think I've displayed foul temper? You, per your words,
haven't been scathing and I haven't displayed foul temper.

>
> > Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> > had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> > <drum roll>
>
> > <trumpet flourish>
>
> > THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> Oh, how endearing; how cute.

Thanks, Jef.

> So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
> the sleep of the innocent...

What has my conscience to do with this? It had nothing to do with my
conscience. It had to do with my reaction to you and yours.

>
> Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
> think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
> decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on?

Not at all.

> There's no consequence to
> your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
> USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar,

Did I call *you* a liar? Did Cat misstate herself?

>or insist that your
> pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
> doesn't require your approval; it simply is.

Where are you getting this spew about the truth?

>When you ask for it, then piss
> and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar,

Where did I call you a liar? Again, if Cat had met Sarah and Steve in
person before then I apologize for whatever it was I said.

>it definitely
> counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
> you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
> it out of existence.

Actually, I can do pretty much what I want.

> You owe me an apology,

For what?

>and if you had any class at
> all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.

If she had preiously met in person Sarah and Steve then I certainly
apologize. If she hadn't then she, despite the motive of kindness,
did not tell the truth.

>
> You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
> trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
> through a blender and threw them against the wall.

Actually, I thought about it quite a lot. But, I forgot the part
about the dead raccoon.

>All sorts of stuff is
> just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
> You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
> comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...

Yes. All true. I wrote it for my own relief. Sorta like when you
have a big fart inside you and just have to let it out. I am a fan of
your writing. Aside from this business you *are* a sweetheart (OK,
that might be assuming too much but you *seem* to be). No, I wouldn't
feel comfortable meeting you.

>
> You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
> involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
> reason aside?

Um, you started it by attacking me actually. You were doing great
with your explanation (which I understood) and then you started finger
pointing to me about how I didn't reach out or some such and why would
anyone invite me to something when I said I wouldn't want to go. A
lesson in manners for you, Jef. Not too long ago there was something
in Miss Manners or Dear Abby that when you are having an event you
should invite someone (if you normally would) even if they've
expressed no desire go because you should leave it up to the person.
I'm not saying that's the case for this event as you explained it was
a limited party which really is fine. I already told you that but you
(and Joyce) seem to have overlooked that part in your desire to show
your clever ability to write, yes, these scathing attacks.

I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
> with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
> Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
> claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
> you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.

You say I'm not honest. And then when I *am* honest about who and
what I am you attack me for *that*. Make up your mind, Jef.

>
> It does not.
> It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
> unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
> throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
> mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
> more like sad and mystifying truth.

Um, it is the truth.

>But you seem to revel in it,

It's one of only two talents I have (good handwriting is the other
one).

> and emit no
> slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
> wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.

I can't hold a candle to your ability to insult. I was wrong about
1/2 of my original post. I admitted that right off. You kinda failed
to see that part.

>
> I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
> discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.

Very cleverly put. My manners are as good as yours and possibly
better. Oh, wait, I don't know you well enough to say that.

> I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
> I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
> you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer.

This is *not* going to ruin my day.

>I certainly
> don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
> remorse or contrition--

Remorse for what? (I preditct your answer if there is one).
Questioning that Cat might not have been strictly exact in her kind
reply to me? I repeat, if she had met, in person, Steve and Sarah,
prior to her party I APOLOGIZE!!! I see nowhere that I accused you of
lying.

>so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
> just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
> enough from both of us on the subject.

So, you're saying that *you* get the last word? If I had my killfile
this would be it for me, but here I am on Google dammit (hoping this
will post and sorry there's no spell check).
Jef, I'm sitting here in California - 3,000 mile away from you - and
completely harmless. You sure are giving up a lot of energy to this
(way too much). But, I suspect (don't know) that you're feeling right
proud of yourself for your excellent dispatch of me. Jef, I'm a
pushover. Really easy.
I hope you don't have high blood pressure because this seems to be
causing you a good deal of stress.
TTFN
Sue - no sig because Jef finds it offensive.

On Aug 1, 10:56 pm, " Jef." <jefo...@BITEMEcomcast.net> wrote:
> > "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> > your scathing replies to me....
>
> Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
> I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
> aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
> questioned Cat's veracity in the process.

Cat was thoroughly kind in her reply to me. She did state that she
had previously met in person *all* of the guests she invited. I was
under the impression that she had never met Steve and Sarah in
person. Because I was not certain of this I didn't make a flat
statement. I certainly apologize if I was wrong.
I did not chastise you for telling me the truth. I agreed in part
with you. After delivering it you went off on a semi-rant against
me. No, I wasn't going to take that.

You displayed a completely
> uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
> for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
> attempted to correct your misconceptions.

The finger pointing you exhibited in your original post to me was not
taken too well.

> What an amazing display of foul temper!

<snerk> You think I've displayed foul temper? You, per your words,
haven't been scathing and I haven't displayed foul temper.

>
> > Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> > had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> > <drum roll>
>
> > <trumpet flourish>
>
> > THIS IS USENET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > (at which point I went right to sleep)
>
> Oh, how endearing; how cute.

Thanks, Jef.

> So, your conscience fully assuaged, you slept
> the sleep of the innocent...

What has my conscience to do with this? It had nothing to do with my
conscience. It had to do with my reaction to you and yours.

>
> Does this mean you're one of those conveniently compartmentalized folks who
> think USENET exists so they can take a holiday from civility, manners,
> decent conduct, honor, and so forth and so on?

Not at all.

> There's no consequence to
> your actions, words or behavior at all, hey? I mean, since it's *only*
> USENET, it doesn't count when you call someone a liar,

Did I call *you* a liar? Did Cat misstate herself?

>or insist that your
> pre-conceived notions trump the truth? I have news for you: The truth
> doesn't require your approval; it simply is.

Where are you getting this spew about the truth?

>When you ask for it, then piss
> and moan about it and call someone who hands it to you a liar,

Where did I call you a liar? Again, if Cat had met Sarah and Steve in
person before then I apologize for whatever it was I said.

>it definitely
> counts. That's not cute, or even remotely funny. When you cross that line,
> you're going to be held accountable. You don't get to laugh it away or joke
> it out of existence.

Actually, I can do pretty much what I want.

> You owe me an apology,

For what?

>and if you had any class at
> all you'd offer one to Cat for calling her a liar, too.

If she had preiously met in person Sarah and Steve then I certainly
apologize. If she hadn't then she, despite the motive of kindness,
did not tell the truth.

>
> You're all over the place with your latest response. What is it you're
> trying to communicate? It's like you took a half-dozen replies, ran them
> through a blender and threw them against the wall.

Actually, I thought about it quite a lot. But, I forgot the part
about the dead raccoon.

>All sorts of stuff is
> just dribbling down... It doesn't matter if I read this... You're a fan...
> You like my writing... I'm a sweetheart... You certainly wouldn't feel
> comfortable meeting me, etc., etc...

Yes. All true. I wrote it for my own relief. Sorta like when you
have a big fart inside you and just have to let it out. I am a fan of
your writing. Aside from this business you *are* a sweetheart (OK,
that might be assuming too much but you *seem* to be). No, I wouldn't
feel comfortable meeting you.

>
> You're "...taking [the] newsgroup too seriously"? "Getting waaay too
> involved"? So, your solution is to go on the attack, and toss courtesy and
> reason aside?

Um, you started it by attacking me actually. You were doing great
with your explanation (which I understood) and then you started finger
pointing to me about how I didn't reach out or some such and why would
anyone invite me to something when I said I wouldn't want to go. A
lesson in manners for you, Jef. Not too long ago there was something
in Miss Manners or Dear Abby that when you are having an event you
should invite someone (if you normally would) even if they've
expressed no desire go because you should leave it up to the person.
I'm not saying that's the case for this event as you explained it was
a limited party which really is fine. I already told you that but you
(and Joyce) seem to have overlooked that part in your desire to show
your clever ability to write, yes, these scathing attacks.

I won't let that pass as a justifiable excuse. You sign off
> with your proud statement that you're a "1st class, A1, Genuine, Double
> Rectified, USDA Prime Grade, non-smoking Bitch"-- as though having made this
> claim, (and ha, ha, ha-- isn't *that* terribly clever!) it somehow absolves
> you from being bound by the conventions of decent behavior.

You say I'm not honest. And then when I *am* honest about who and
what I am you attack me for *that*. Make up your mind, Jef.

>
> It does not.
> It's like saying: "Oh, and by the way-- I'm prone to inexplicable,
> unprovoked and wacky fits of violence", and then punching someone in the
> throat. The explanation hardly justifies the action. The insipid and
> mockingly self-deprecating sig file crapola doesn't work as humor; it reads
> more like sad and mystifying truth.

Um, it is the truth.

>But you seem to revel in it,

It's one of only two talents I have (good handwriting is the other
one).

> and emit no
> slightest sense of shame or regret or even the realization that you were
> wrong and have offended with your insulting behavior.

I can't hold a candle to your ability to insult. I was wrong about
1/2 of my original post. I admitted that right off. You kinda failed
to see that part.

>
> I'm not surprised at all about your predilection for Wal-Mart. Check their
> discount bins and see if there are any shopworn manners on sale.

Very cleverly put. My manners are as good as yours and possibly
better. Oh, wait, I don't know you well enough to say that.

> I don't care if you stay or go, post or don't. Backhanded compliments aside,
> I find very little of any real substance to admire in you, and have to write
> you off as someone devoid of anything constructive to offer.

This is *not* going to ruin my day.

>I certainly
> don't expect you'll suddenly see the light and demonstrate anything like
> remorse or contrition--

Remorse for what? (I preditct your answer if there is one).
Questioning that Cat might not have been strictly exact in her kind
reply to me? I repeat, if she had met, in person, Steve and Sarah,
prior to her party I APOLOGIZE!!! I see nowhere that I accused you of
lying.

>so it's pointless to go on. But I have-- because it
> just flat pissed me off. And now, I think the newsgroup has seen quite
> enough from both of us on the subject.

So, you're saying that *you* get the last word? If I had my killfile
this would be it for me, but here I am on Google dammit (hoping this
will post and sorry there's no spell check).
Jef, I'm sitting here in California - 3,000 mile away from you - and
completely harmless. You sure are giving up a lot of energy to this
(way too much). But, I suspect (don't know) that you're feeling right
proud of yourself for your excellent dispatch of me. Jef, I'm a
pushover. Really easy.
I hope you don't have high blood pressure because this seems to be
causing you a good deal of stress.
TTFN
Sue - no sig because Jef finds it offensive.

On Aug 2, 9:34?am, Sue <sebr...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 10:56 pm, " Jef." <jefo...@BITEMEcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Sue" wrote ...I'm sure the other fan club members have thoroughly enjoyed
> > > your scathing replies to me....
>
> > Scathing? You haven't seen anything.
> > I think I've actually been pretty polite to you, considering you brushed
> > aside the truth you *asked* to be provided, chastised me for it and then
> > questioned Cat's veracity in the process.
>
> Cat was thoroughly kind in her reply to me. She did state that she
> had previously met in person *all* of the guests she invited. I was
> under the impression that she had never met Steve and Sarah in
> person. Because I was not certain of this I didn't make a flat
> statement. I certainly apologize if I was wrong.
> I did not chastise you for telling me the truth. I agreed in part
> with you. After delivering it you went off on a semi-rant against
> me. No, I wasn't going to take that.
>
> You displayed a completely
>
> > uncalled-for suspicious hostility in the face of some harmless news offered
> > for the public benefit-- and then redoubled your unpleasantness after we
> > attempted to correct your misconceptions.
>
> The finger pointing you exhibited in your original post to me was not
> taken too well.
>
> > What an amazing display of foul temper!
>
> <snerk> You think I've displayed foul temper? You, per your words,
> haven't been scathing and I haven't displayed foul temper.
>
>
>
> > > Last night I didn't sleep too well until I
> > > had an epiphany about, oh, 2 am. At that point I remembered.....
> > > <drum roll>
>
> > > <trumpet flourish>
>
> > > THIS IS US