Help...Advice please!

Hey folks,

The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The problem
is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do something
wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I am asked if
there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of you know, I
think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is 100% true. Our
GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and dumps on all the
managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our employees, but we
cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets the road. Well, we
have no release. I tell my sales people that they gotta work smarter and
not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a group and individually.
They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I try to hide it. They have
all the tools they need to perform better, but I don't have time to follow
everybody and make sure they do their job.

Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is better,
it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know about the
pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.

What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a glass
of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and decide,
and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to cope with
the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take meds
for it, for Christ's sake!!!

I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know I
won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
you're it.

I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and 12
seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071 cigarettes.
I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my life.

--
AZ

AZ, you are letting the stinkin' thinkin' get under your skin. You
can make this decision without either of those props and are more
likely to make a better decision without them anyway. I would suggest
you get out a sheet of paper and write down what you like about your
current job and what you dislike. Do the same about the offered job
[as much as you can for now] and see how the cards stack. You have to
look out for yourself and if the new job is a better deal, make the
change and enjoy the opportunity to grow. Just my $.02.

FlatironMike
Nine months, two weeks, one day, 21 hours, 26 minutes and 14 seconds.
5777 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,733.36. Life saved: 2 weeks, 6
days, 1 hour, 25 minutes.

On Nov 26, 7:48 pm, "AZ" <zikra.nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The problem
> is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do something
> wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I am asked if
> there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of you know, I
> think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is 100% true. Our
> GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and dumps on all the
> managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our employees, but we
> cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets the road. Well, we
> have no release. I tell my sales people that they gotta work smarter and
> not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a group and individually.
> They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I try to hide it. They have
> all the tools they need to perform better, but I don't have time to follow
> everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is better,
> it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know about the
> pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a glass
> of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and decide,
> and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
> beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to cope with
> the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take meds
> for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know I
> won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and 12
> seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071 cigarettes.
> I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my life.
>
> --
> AZ

No-brainer, hun. Doesn't seem like current job has any incentive to
stay - get the hell outta there! Even if you didn't have a better
offer, it seems like the current place is killing you. What's to
decide? You are a lucky SOB to have a better offer - go for it! I know
from experience - have stayed in a job cause I felt "responsible", and
got fucked over for my responsibility.
Hugs,
Pam

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:48:28 -0600, "AZ" <zikra.nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hey folks,
>
>The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
>My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The problem
>is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do something
>wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I am asked if
>there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of you know, I
>think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is 100% true. Our
>GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and dumps on all the
>managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our employees, but we
>cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets the road. Well, we
>have no release. I tell my sales people that they gotta work smarter and
>not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a group and individually.
>They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I try to hide it. They have
>all the tools they need to perform better, but I don't have time to follow
>everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
>Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
>different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is better,
>it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know about the
>pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
>What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a glass
>of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and decide,
>and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.

Well, you are not how you used to be. You are booze and smoke free.
I'm pretty sure that smoking and drinking never really helped you make
a better decision.

>If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
>beat, without batting an eye.

If that's the case, why feel any loyalty? Doesn't seem that they are
loyal to you.

> But I don't know how I am going to cope with
>the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.

We never know until we try (oh, how's *that* for wisdom!).

>My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
>don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take meds
>for it, for Christ's sake!!!

Your doctor wants to take meds. Well, that's his business. (Reread
what you wrote)

>
>I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
>Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good.

Piffle!!

> But I know I
>won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink.

Good!!!!!!!!

> But Goddamn
>it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
>you're it.

I decline to partcipate. I don't give advice. I have absolutley *no*
ambition, have not only had the same job for 21 years, have actually
sat at the same desk for 20 years doing the same thing over and over
(although the method has changed - paper to computer).
Well, I've said absolutely nothing. It's up to you to decide. My
only real advice is that you make the decision sans booze and smokes.
Sue

>
>I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and 12
>seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071 cigarettes.
>I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my life.

Dude. Seriously. Take the job. 'Taint worth smoking over.
SteveS
OOF

AZ wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The problem
> is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do something
> wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I am asked if
> there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of you know, I
> think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is 100% true. Our
> GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and dumps on all the
> managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our employees, but we
> cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets the road. Well, we
> have no release. I tell my sales people that they gotta work smarter and
> not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a group and individually.
> They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I try to hide it. They have
> all the tools they need to perform better, but I don't have time to follow
> everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is better,
> it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know about the
> pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a glass
> of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and decide,
> and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
> beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to cope with
> the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take meds
> for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know I
> won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and 12
> seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071 cigarettes.
> I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my life.
>

On Nov 26, 6:57 pm, FlatIronMike <FlatironMike...@gmail.com> wrote:
> AZ, you are letting the stinkin' thinkin' get under your skin. You
> can make this decision without either of those props and are more
> likely to make a better decision without them anyway. I would suggest
> you get out a sheet of paper and write down what you like about your
> current job and what you dislike. Do the same about the offered job
> [as much as you can for now] and see how the cards stack. You have to
> look out for yourself and if the new job is a better deal, make the
> change and enjoy the opportunity to grow. Just my $.02.
>
> FlatironMike
> Nine months, two weeks, one day, 21 hours, 26 minutes and 14 seconds.
> 5777 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,733.36. Life saved: 2 weeks, 6
> days, 1 hour, 25 minutes.

Now here is some sound advice.
Tools to help your make your own decision.
I would add..... pray about it and talk to your sons about (just
for the hell of it).
Also, realize you're experiencing alot of fear and that is OK.
Also, (last one, I promise), if the doc says you need meds for your
high blood pressure, don't just ignore it.

See my post of 11/12/07 in which I said:

"Someone here had a tag line -- maybe it was one of AZ's thoughts of
the day -- where it said something like "I knocked -- many times -- and you
did not answer, [signed] Opportunity."


"AZ" <zikra.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dPJ2j.2862$N67.223@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The
> problem is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do
> something wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I
> am asked if there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of
> you know, I think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is
> 100% true. Our GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and
> dumps on all the managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our
> employees, but we cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets
> the road. Well, we have no release. I tell my sales people that they
> gotta work smarter and not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a
> group and individually. They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I
> try to hide it. They have all the tools they need to perform better, but
> I don't have time to follow everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is
> better, it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know
> about the pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a
> glass of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and
> decide, and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a
> heart beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to
> cope with the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take
> meds for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know
> I won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and
> 12 seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071
> cigarettes. I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my
> life.
>
> --
> AZ
>

Quit your job. Sell your house and posessions. Learn a new life style that
doesn't require much income.

No human being was meant to do anything even remotely like what you describe
your job is - yet most of us are doing exactly that. You probably have
enough assets to live the rest of your life with out working another day- or
just working something very slow and easy. It might not take that much to
stay happy and have peace of mind - and get way more out of life than you
ever will running the rat race, earning lots of money.

Bill S. -- a.k.a Mr. Know-it-all





"AZ" <zikra.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dPJ2j.2862$N67.223@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The
> problem is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do
> something wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I
> am asked if there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of
> you know, I think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is
> 100% true. Our GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and
> dumps on all the managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our
> employees, but we cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets
> the road. Well, we have no release. I tell my sales people that they
> gotta work smarter and not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a
> group and individually. They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I
> try to hide it. They have all the tools they need to perform better, but
> I don't have time to follow everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is
> better, it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know
> about the pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a
> glass of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and
> decide, and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a
> heart beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to
> cope with the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take
> meds for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know
> I won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and
> 12 seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071
> cigarettes. I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my
> life.
>
> --
> AZ
>

Go for it! But if you REALLY aren't sure, use the offer to your
advantage -- wag it in your boss's face. See if they up the ante. Oh,
and be sure to point out that the constant stress and crappy work
environment is a deciding factor... You never know. I did the same
thing once and landed myself a promotion to way cooler job with a 10th
of the stress and twice the pay!

AZ wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The problem
> is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do something
> wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I am asked if
> there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of you know, I
> think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is 100% true. Our
> GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and dumps on all the
> managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our employees, but we
> cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets the road. Well, we
> have no release. I tell my sales people that they gotta work smarter and
> not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a group and individually.
> They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I try to hide it. They have
> all the tools they need to perform better, but I don't have time to follow
> everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is better,
> it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know about the
> pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a glass
> of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and decide,
> and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
> beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to cope with
> the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take meds
> for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know I
> won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and 12
> seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071 cigarettes.
> I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my life.
>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:48:28 -0600, "AZ" <zikra.nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a heart
>beat, without batting an eye

...And would not remember your name an hour later.
Loyalty has to be reciprocal.
If it makes the quarter look good, and your parasite manager has a 1%
chance for a bonus, they'd flush you and sell your children.
It wasn't always this way.

Wanting a smoke or a drink to ponder leaving? I'd need to drink to
STAY!

Just my embittered two cents. Been there. Done that.

Thank you all for your advice/help and opinions. I have decided to take a
couple of days off, to mull things over and try to relax my mind. I am
pretty much leaning towards the new offer, but I want to make sure I am
doing the right thing for the right reasons.

--
AZ

AZ, I think that's your best bet. You do not have to rush to make
this decision so do take your time and weigh the options. Good luck
with your choice!

FlatironMike
Nine months, two weeks, two days, 14 hours, 59 minutes and 55 seconds.
5792 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,737.75. Life saved: 2 weeks, 6
days, 2 hours, 40 minutes.

as long as you are alive, you can make choices!
if you don't like your next job, you can make another choice............





"AZ" <zikra.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dPJ2j.2862$N67.223@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Hey folks,
>
> The pressure level has reached a new level. I'll explain.
> My work has a great deal of pressure (And who's work does not). The
> problem is the pressure is constant. It does not go away. If you do
> something wonderful, every one celebrate the victory, but one hour later I
> am asked if there is anything new I can report. I am in Sales, as most of
> you know, I think. The say "shit rolls downhill", let me tell ya, it is
> 100% true. Our GM gets yelled at by Corporate, and he turns around and
> dumps on all the managers, and then we have to turn around and shit on our
> employees, but we cannot do that, because they are where the rubber meets
> the road. Well, we have no release. I tell my sales people that they
> gotta work smarter and not harder or longer hours. I talk to them as a
> group and individually. They can feel the tension, no matter how hard I
> try to hide it. They have all the tools they need to perform better, but
> I don't have time to follow everybody and make sure they do their job.
>
> Well, today I was offered another position with a different company and a
> different line of sales. The pay is much better, the environment is
> better, it seemed more relaxed, oh and the office is bigger. I don't know
> about the pressure level, but it cannot match where I am now.
>
> What I feel like doing right now, is thinking about my options with a
> glass of Vodka and a pack of cigarettes. That's how I used to think and
> decide, and I am driving myself, and my dog, ape shit.
> If I quit, I feel like I betrayed my company, which would fire me in a
> heart beat, without batting an eye. But I don't know how I am going to
> cope with the new people and the new rules and all the new stuff.
> My blood pressure is at an all time high. Should I blame it on my job? I
> don't know. I never had high blood pressure and my doctor wants to take
> meds for it, for Christ's sake!!!
>
> I feel like I am lost. Like I am driving at night with no head lights.
> Somehow, the booze and the smokes sound really, REALLY, good. But I know
> I won't do either, because I don't some and I don't drink. But Goddamn
> it....I need help of some sort, and I don't know what exactly. Okay, tag,
> you're it.
>
> I have been quit for 5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 18 hours, 45 minutes and
> 12 seconds (176 days). I have saved $1,060.68 by not smoking 7,071
> cigarettes. I have saved 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 13 hours and 15 minutes of my
> life.
>
> --
> AZ
>

Hi AZ,

I think it's good to take a break and mull things over .. and relax,
for Pete's sake!
My job is high-stress too, especially now that we have a new boss that
no one can stand and an extra layer of management in a company that
was already too top-heavy. I agree, shit does indeed roll downhill.

As far as the decision-making process, I hear you there, too. A smoke
was always one of my decision-making tools. But we're better than that
now, and we don't smoke.

My personal opinion: Screw loyalty. I have an annoying sense of
loyalty, too, so I understand it. But the bottom line here is that you
have to take care of YOU and look out for No. 1 because ain't nobody
else gonna do it for you. You've only got one shot at this: Make it a
good one.

That said, you do whatever feels right to you. And take all the time
you need. But don't smoke and don't drink.

Love and hugs
Ashley

On Nov 27, 5:05 pm, writer272002 <writer272...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi AZ,
>
> I think it's good to take a break and mull things over .. and relax,
> for Pete's sake!
> My job is high-stress too, especially now that we have a new boss that
> no one can stand and an extra layer of management in a company that
> was already too top-heavy. I agree, shit does indeed roll downhill.
>
> As far as the decision-making process, I hear you there, too. A smoke
> was always one of my decision-making tools. But we're better than that
> now, and we don't smoke.
>
> My personal opinion: Screw loyalty. I have an annoying sense of
> loyalty, too, so I understand it. But the bottom line here is that you
> have to take care of YOU and look out for No. 1 because ain't nobody
> else gonna do it for you. You've only got one shot at this: Make it a
> good one.
>
> That said, you do whatever feels right to you. And take all the time
> you need. But don't smoke and don't drink.
>
> Love and hugs
> Ashley

Ash - Yup - I bet AZ is over 35. "Youngsters" don't have that
"loyalty" gene that was built into us older guys. It's that damn work
ethic that tries to deny what's best. I think the new job would be the
best choice, but it's not my decision.
Hugs,
Pam