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Old 01-29-2008, 03:39 AM
Maude
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Default Mud brain?

I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! One would think I was
back in the brainless days of a first quit. Sorry about that!

Maude
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:39 AM
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On Jan 28, 9:19*pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! *One would think I was
> back in the brainless days of a first quit. *Sorry about that!
>
> Maude


I'm glad you did.
Any of your dogs take supplements for hip and joint health?
What NG should I be asking that in?
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:39 AM
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On Jan 28, 9:25*pm, DavidL <Dvd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:19*pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
>
> > I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! *One would think I was
> > back in the brainless days of a first quit. *Sorry about that!

>
> > Maude

>
> I'm glad you did.
> Any of your dogs take supplements for hip and joint health?
> What NG should I be asking that in?


Sorry. Mud brain here too. You already answered me.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:12 AM
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DavidL wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:19 pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
>> I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! One would think I was
>> back in the brainless days of a first quit. Sorry about that!
>>
>> Maude

>
> I'm glad you did.
> Any of your dogs take supplements for hip and joint health?
> What NG should I be asking that in?

Ask in the Baggage Agility group (Yahoo). They are a really great bunch
of people who are running shelter and rescue dogs in agility and will
give you a straight answer. My experience - and only mine - is that
when my girl came up lame and I had to pull her from agility, nothing
worked nearly as well as extreme weight loss and exercise. Curly
injured her shoulder in a woodchuck hole and developed arthritis at the
age of 5. At that time, she weighed about 85 pounds (she's a tall
rott/shep/lab) and I thought she was fit. She is 10 now, weighs 65
pounds, runs only Jumpers, but she in never lame and she can still
frolic with the young dogs. Yes, she is skinny, but she never limps any
more.

Ask your question on the Baggage list. You will get more info than you
need!

Woof from the Blackdogs to your doggies!

Maude
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:40 AM
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On Jan 28, 10:11*pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> DavidL wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 9:19 pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> >> I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! *One would think I was
> >> back in the brainless days of a first quit. *Sorry about that!

>
> >> Maude

>
> > I'm glad you did.
> > Any of your dogs take supplements for hip and joint health?
> > What NG should I be asking that in?

>
> Ask in the Baggage Agility group (Yahoo). *They are a really great bunch
> of people who are running shelter and rescue dogs in agility and will
> give you a straight answer. *My experience - and only mine - is that
> when my girl came up lame and I had to pull her from agility, nothing
> worked nearly as well as extreme weight loss and exercise. *Curly
> injured her shoulder in a woodchuck hole and developed arthritis at the
> age of 5. *At that time, she weighed about 85 pounds (she's a tall
> rott/shep/lab) and I thought she was fit. *She is 10 now, weighs 65
> pounds, runs only Jumpers, but she in never lame and she can still
> frolic with the young dogs. *Yes, she is skinny, but she never limps any
> more.
>
> Ask your question on the Baggage list. *You will get more info than you
> need!
>
> Woof from the Blackdogs to your doggies!
>
> Maude


Know what, Lynn suggested that earlier and I thought "She's not fat!".
But she is sturdy.
I could get her thinner.
5-10 lbs on her would make a big difference.
She is built for speed.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:15 PM
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DavidL wrote:
>
> Know what, Lynn suggested that earlier and I thought "She's not fat!".
> But she is sturdy.
> I could get her thinner.
> 5-10 lbs on her would make a big difference.
> She is built for speed.


I was surprised how little food my big dog actually needs. I did not
realize I was actually overfeeding. I did some investigating and
eventually settled on a modified raw diet - Curly gets 1/2 cup of Evo
dog food with 1/3 of an egg (she splits it with her brothers), 1
tablespoon each of yogurt and pumpkin, and a little salmon oil for
breakfast. For supper, I throw her a raw chicken leg - approx. 10 oz.
I seldom give treats except for training and then I am likely to use
very small bits of roast beef or just chunks of their dog food. This is
what I feed to maintain her weight! To help her lose, I had to cut back
even more since we have always exercised every day. One of the most
useful pieces of info I ever received was from an experienced trainer:
dogs are supposed to wolf their food. Never feed a dog more than she
can eat in 45 seconds, and never, ever free feed.

I have to warn you, though - once you start looking into canine feeding
and health, you will never look at dog food or treats the same!

Good luck!

Maude
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:15 PM
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Well, I read it and it made perfect sense to me Maude.
I suppose that means my brain never did recover!
ChrisB
"Maude" <squirrel@rodent.net> wrote in message
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>I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! One would think I was
>back in the brainless days of a first quit. Sorry about that!
>
> Maude



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Old 01-29-2008, 03:01 PM
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On Jan 29, 5:58*am, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> DavidL wrote:
>
> > Know what, Lynn suggested that earlier and I thought "She's not fat!".
> > But she is sturdy.
> > I could *get her thinner.
> > 5-10 lbs on her would make a big difference.
> > She is built for speed.

>
> I was surprised how little food my big dog actually needs. *I did not
> realize I was actually overfeeding. *I did some investigating and
> eventually settled on a modified raw diet - Curly gets 1/2 cup of Evo
> dog food with 1/3 of an egg (she splits it with her brothers), 1
> tablespoon each of yogurt and pumpkin, and a little salmon oil for
> breakfast. *For supper, I throw her a raw chicken leg - approx. 10 oz.
> I seldom give treats except for training and then I am likely to use
> very small bits of roast beef or just chunks of their dog food. *This is
> what I feed to maintain her weight! *To help her lose, I had to cut back
> even more since we have always exercised every day. *One of the most
> useful pieces of info I ever received was from an experienced trainer:
> dogs are supposed to wolf their food. *Never feed a dog more than she
> can eat in 45 seconds, and never, ever free feed.
>
> I have to warn you, though - once you start looking into canine feeding
> and health, you will never look at dog food or treats the same!
>
> Good luck!
>
> Maude


Maude, thanks.
I don't put near that effort into it that you do..
I keep a bowl of purina full at all times (she does wolf it once or
twice a day).
I and the kids give her cheap little crunchy bones all day.
I will start feeding her the amount recommended once a day and find
something healthier for treats.
Looking at her, I don't see how she could lose more than 5 lbs, but
I'll ask the vet.
Alot of the stuff you're feeding (egg, salmon oil) may provide the
nutrients I'm gonna get from a supplement.
I still need to get to that group.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:56 PM
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Oh but you will listen to Maude tell you she might need a diet but not me
eh? haha the vet said my Katie needs to lose about 2 pounds today when we
had the puppy in for a needle
--
Lynn VOF Leaper
"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."



"DavidL" <Dvd716@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 28, 10:11 pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> DavidL wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 9:19 pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> >> I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! One would think I was
> >> back in the brainless days of a first quit. Sorry about that!

>
> >> Maude

>
> > I'm glad you did.
> > Any of your dogs take supplements for hip and joint health?
> > What NG should I be asking that in?

>
> Ask in the Baggage Agility group (Yahoo). They are a really great bunch
> of people who are running shelter and rescue dogs in agility and will
> give you a straight answer. My experience - and only mine - is that
> when my girl came up lame and I had to pull her from agility, nothing
> worked nearly as well as extreme weight loss and exercise. Curly
> injured her shoulder in a woodchuck hole and developed arthritis at the
> age of 5. At that time, she weighed about 85 pounds (she's a tall
> rott/shep/lab) and I thought she was fit. She is 10 now, weighs 65
> pounds, runs only Jumpers, but she in never lame and she can still
> frolic with the young dogs. Yes, she is skinny, but she never limps any
> more.
>
> Ask your question on the Baggage list. You will get more info than you
> need!
>
> Woof from the Blackdogs to your doggies!
>
> Maude


Know what, Lynn suggested that earlier and I thought "She's not fat!".
But she is sturdy.
I could get her thinner.
5-10 lbs on her would make a big difference.
She is built for speed.


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Old 01-29-2008, 11:56 PM
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I could some help with this myself Maude.
my 2 year old dog is eating more since the puppy is here.I used to be able
to set food out and she would nibble all day My vet told me today to just
food out and then take it away if she eats it or not.
I am not comfortable with a raw diet but always added to their dry food.
maybe too much by the sounds of it. where do I start? I do read labels and
was suprised the most dry dog food doesn't have meat at the first
ingredient! corn meal crap or better yet chicken meal??? sounds like corn
meal with chicken juice on it. both my babies eat too many treats ( some
homemade tho)
there was this show on Sat-Sun night? about dogfood and the recent animals
death in 2007 but I forgot to hit record and missed it.
--
Lynn VOF Leaper
"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."



"Maude" <squirrel@rodent.net> wrote in message
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> DavidL wrote:
>>
>> Know what, Lynn suggested that earlier and I thought "She's not fat!".
>> But she is sturdy.
>> I could get her thinner.
>> 5-10 lbs on her would make a big difference.
>> She is built for speed.

>
> I was surprised how little food my big dog actually needs. I did not
> realize I was actually overfeeding. I did some investigating and
> eventually settled on a modified raw diet - Curly gets 1/2 cup of Evo dog
> food with 1/3 of an egg (she splits it with her brothers), 1 tablespoon
> each of yogurt and pumpkin, and a little salmon oil for breakfast. For
> supper, I throw her a raw chicken leg - approx. 10 oz. I seldom give
> treats except for training and then I am likely to use very small bits of
> roast beef or just chunks of their dog food. This is what I feed to
> maintain her weight! To help her lose, I had to cut back even more since
> we have always exercised every day. One of the most useful pieces of info
> I ever received was from an experienced trainer: dogs are supposed to wolf
> their food. Never feed a dog more than she can eat in 45 seconds, and
> never, ever free feed.
>
> I have to warn you, though - once you start looking into canine feeding
> and health, you will never look at dog food or treats the same!
>
> Good luck!
>
> Maude



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Old 01-30-2008, 01:38 AM
Maude
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ChrisB wrote:
> Well, I read it and it made perfect sense to me Maude.
> I suppose that means my brain never did recover!
> ChrisB
> "Maude" <squirrel@rodent.net> wrote in message
> news:479e9b40$0$30231$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I just sent you all an email about dog agility!! One would think I was
>> back in the brainless days of a first quit. Sorry about that!
>>
>> Maude

>
>

I think you may be right! In the winter, I do little traveling and
little agility, and I start dreaming of being on the road again. Bring
on summer vacation!

Good to see you still here, Chris!

Maude
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:38 AM
Maude
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Lynn wrote:
> I could some help with this myself Maude.
> my 2 year old dog is eating more since the puppy is here.I used to be able
> to set food out and she would nibble all day My vet told me today to just
> food out and then take it away if she eats it or not.
> I am not comfortable with a raw diet but always added to their dry food.
> maybe too much by the sounds of it. where do I start? I do read labels and
> was suprised the most dry dog food doesn't have meat at the first
> ingredient! corn meal crap or better yet chicken meal??? sounds like corn
> meal with chicken juice on it. both my babies eat too many treats ( some
> homemade tho)
> there was this show on Sat-Sun night? about dogfood and the recent animals
> death in 2007 but I forgot to hit record and missed it.

Ok - basic dog feeding 101 - First, buy a good food. I feed Evo or
Honest Kitchen, but there are lots of dog foods out there without grain.
While I feed totally grain free, that is not a requirement. Just make
sure your food is not mostly grain, and make sure it doesn't have
unnecessary fillers and sugars in it. Buy it at a good pet store (one
that does not sell puppy mill puppies!) and never at the grocery. You
will save money in the long run because you will feed much less without
fillers (and you will have less poop to pick up).

Second, pay no attention to the feeding instructions on the package. I
actually feed about half of the amount suggested on the bag. Weigh your
dog frequently and adjust the amount you feed as needed. Use treats
sparingly and as special incentives, not just regular snacks. Plain dog
food works fine for training treats too, but remember to feed a bit less
at meal time.

Third - supplement your basic food with additives for health and
variety. Good additives are nonfat yogurt (just a little), canned
pumpkin (excellent for digestive regularity) a bit of fish or salmon oil
at times (do not overdo the salmon oil - there are some reports of
problems with too much salmon oil if you do not feed enough vitamin e),
a bit of egg if you wish. Unsalted, canned green beans poured over the
top of the chow are great and help fill up the dog without adding
calories. Some dogs love romaine lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower,
carrots. You can feed these, in small amounts, raw if they like them.
Lots of doggies like little carrots for training treats.

Fourth - Never, never, never free feed. Dogs in the wild stock up
during fat times to prepare for lean times to come. If there are no
lean times, the dog will eventually get and stay fat. Feed your dog two
small meals a day. Sure, they can do just fine on one meal a day but
then, so can you! Let the poor doggie have something in his stomach!

Fifth - If your dog does not eat, take the food away and do not offer it
later or add it as extra food to his next meal. Some research has proven
that dogs who fast once a week are actually healthier than those who
don't. Your dog will not starve if she misses a meal. She'll be fine,
believe me.

If you are feeding more than one dog, do not allow one to clean up what
the other doesn't eat. If your dog leaves his bowl without finishing,
you are feeding too much. If your dog is used to free feeding, it may
take a day or two for him to realize that the food you don't eat goes
away forever, but he will catch on pretty fast and start wolfing his
food like a real canine. While changing your routine, you may want to
add an extra incentive to the kibble to encourage wolfing. A bit of
meat juice (not fat) or small bits of meat mixed in can do the trick.

One final thought - something that works for me with all my dogs but is
not essential - my dogs never, ever fight about food. I say the name of
the dog I am feeding or giving a treat, and only that dog is allowed to
go for the good. If the dogs squabble about food or treats, regardless
of which of them is at fault, the food simply goes away. Period. I do
not feed again until the next regular meal. Dogs are smart and once
they realize that fighting over food makes the food disappear, they will
behave well at meal time! Remember, they can easily skip a meal without
any harm.

Guess this has something to do with not smoking. One of the reasons I
quit was so I could breathe to run agility with the doggies, and so I
could afford to do it! I have not regretted it for even a second. Dogs
as a hobby and a lifestyle, beat the hell out of smoking!

Let me know if there is anything else I can tell you. All of this
research ought to benefit more than just three spoiled, hairy dogs!

Maude
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:08 AM
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On Jan 29, 6:23*pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> Lynn wrote:
> > I could some help with this myself Maude.
> > *my 2 year old dog is eating more since the puppy is here.I used to beable
> > to set food out and she would nibble all day My vet told me today to just
> > food out and then take it away if she eats it or not.
> > *I am not comfortable with a raw diet but always added to their dry food.
> > maybe too much by the sounds of it. where do I start? I do read labels and
> > was suprised the most dry dog food doesn't have meat at the first
> > ingredient! corn meal crap or better yet chicken meal??? sounds like corn
> > meal with chicken juice on it. both my babies eat too many treats ( some
> > homemade tho)
> > *there was this show on Sat-Sun night? about dogfood and the recent animals
> > death in 2007 but I forgot to hit record and missed it.

>
> Ok - basic dog feeding 101 - First, buy a good food. *I feed Evo or
> Honest Kitchen, but there are lots of dog foods out there without grain.
> * While I feed totally grain free, that is not a requirement. *Just make
> sure your food is not mostly grain, and make sure it doesn't have
> unnecessary fillers and sugars in it. *Buy it at a good pet store (one
> that does not sell puppy mill puppies!) and never at the grocery. *You
> will save money in the long run because you will feed much less without
> fillers (and you will have less poop to pick up).
>
> Second, pay no attention to the feeding instructions on the package. *I
> actually feed about half of the amount suggested on the bag. *Weigh your
> dog frequently and adjust the amount you feed as needed. *Use treats
> sparingly and as special incentives, not just regular snacks. *Plain dog
> food works fine for training treats too, but remember to feed a bit less
> at meal time.
>
> Third - supplement your basic food with additives for health and
> variety. *Good additives are nonfat yogurt (just a little), canned
> pumpkin (excellent for digestive regularity) a bit of fish or salmon oil
> at times (do not overdo the salmon oil - there are some reports of
> problems with too much salmon oil if you do not feed enough vitamin e),
> a bit of egg if you wish. *Unsalted, canned green beans poured over the
> top of the chow are great and help fill up the dog without adding
> calories. *Some dogs love romaine lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower,
> carrots. *You can feed these, in small amounts, raw if they like them.
> Lots of doggies like little carrots for training treats.
>
> Fourth - Never, never, never free feed. *Dogs in the wild stock up
> during fat times to prepare for lean times to come. *If there are no
> lean times, the dog will eventually get and stay fat. *Feed your dog two
> small meals a day. *Sure, they can do just fine on one meal a day but
> then, so can you! *Let the poor doggie have something in his stomach!
>
> Fifth - If your dog does not eat, take the food away and do not offer it
> later or add it as extra food to his next meal. Some research has proven
> that dogs who fast once a week are actually healthier than those who
> don't. *Your dog will not starve if she misses a meal. *She'll be fine,
> believe me.
>
> If you are feeding more than one dog, do not allow one to clean up what
> the other doesn't eat. *If your dog leaves his bowl without finishing,
> you are feeding too much. *If your dog is used to free feeding, it may
> take a day or two for him to realize that the food you don't eat goes
> away forever, but he will catch on pretty fast and start wolfing his
> food like a real canine. *While changing your routine, you may want to
> add an extra incentive to the kibble to encourage wolfing. *A bit of
> meat juice (not fat) or small bits of meat mixed in can do the trick.
>
> One final thought - something that works for me with all my dogs but is
> not essential - my dogs never, ever fight about food. *I say the name of
> the dog I am feeding or giving a treat, and only that dog is allowed to
> go for the good. *If the dogs squabble about food or treats, regardless
> of which of them is at fault, the food simply goes away. *Period. *I do
> not feed again until the next regular meal. *Dogs are smart and once
> they realize that fighting over food makes the food disappear, they will
> behave well at meal time! *Remember, they can easily skip a meal without
> any harm.
>
> Guess this has something to do with not smoking. *One of the reasons I
> quit was so I could breathe to run agility with the doggies, and so I
> could afford to do it! *I have not regretted it for even a second. *Dogs
> as a hobby and a lifestyle, beat the hell out of smoking!
>
> Let me know if there is anything else I can tell you. *All of this
> research ought to benefit more than just three spoiled, hairy dogs!
>
> Maude


Wow. thanks for taking the time to compose this.
I'm saving as reference.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:15 PM
Lynn
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Wow Maude thank you! I was just expecting a web site or something. I am off
to look up those foods and started taking the food away today if they didn't
eat it ( they both wolfed down lunch and supper with the puppy eating just
his breakfast). both my babies like veggies I always add in whatever we are
eating (carrots peas beans yes I know about no giving onions grapes etc)
you gave me lots to think about and to DO! and know what? I probably
wouldn't have dogs if I was still smoking because I had to work to pay for
our addiction and noone would be home to look after them
--
Lynn VOF Leaper
"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."



"Maude" <squirrel@rodent.net> wrote in message
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> Ok - basic dog feeding 101 - First, buy a good food. I feed Evo or Honest
> Kitchen, but there are lots of dog foods out there without grain. While I
> feed totally grain free, that is not a requirement. Just make sure your
> food is not mostly grain, and make sure it doesn't have unnecessary
> fillers and sugars in it. Buy it at a good pet store (one that does not
> sell puppy mill puppies!) and never at the grocery. You will save money
> in the long run because you will feed much less without fillers (and you
> will have less poop to pick up).
>
> Second, pay no attention to the feeding instructions on the package. I
> actually feed about half of the amount suggested on the bag. Weigh your
> dog frequently and adjust the amount you feed as needed. Use treats
> sparingly and as special incentives, not just regular snacks. Plain dog
> food works fine for training treats too, but remember to feed a bit less
> at meal time.
>
> Third - supplement your basic food with additives for health and variety.
> Good additives are nonfat yogurt (just a little), canned pumpkin
> (excellent for digestive regularity) a bit of fish or salmon oil at times
> (do not overdo the salmon oil - there are some reports of problems with
> too much salmon oil if you do not feed enough vitamin e), a bit of egg if
> you wish. Unsalted, canned green beans poured over the top of the chow
> are great and help fill up the dog without adding calories. Some dogs
> love romaine lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots. You can feed these,
> in small amounts, raw if they like them. Lots of doggies like little
> carrots for training treats.
>
> Fourth - Never, never, never free feed. Dogs in the wild stock up during
> fat times to prepare for lean times to come. If there are no lean times,
> the dog will eventually get and stay fat. Feed your dog two small meals a
> day. Sure, they can do just fine on one meal a day but then, so can you!
> Let the poor doggie have something in his stomach!
>
> Fifth - If your dog does not eat, take the food away and do not offer it
> later or add it as extra food to his next meal. Some research has proven
> that dogs who fast once a week are actually healthier than those who
> don't. Your dog will not starve if she misses a meal. She'll be fine,
> believe me.
>
> If you are feeding more than one dog, do not allow one to clean up what
> the other doesn't eat. If your dog leaves his bowl without finishing, you
> are feeding too much. If your dog is used to free feeding, it may take a
> day or two for him to realize that the food you don't eat goes away
> forever, but he will catch on pretty fast and start wolfing his food like
> a real canine. While changing your routine, you may want to add an extra
> incentive to the kibble to encourage wolfing. A bit of meat juice (not
> fat) or small bits of meat mixed in can do the trick.
>
> One final thought - something that works for me with all my dogs but is
> not essential - my dogs never, ever fight about food. I say the name of
> the dog I am feeding or giving a treat, and only that dog is allowed to go
> for the good. If the dogs squabble about food or treats, regardless of
> which of them is at fault, the food simply goes away. Period. I do not
> feed again until the next regular meal. Dogs are smart and once they
> realize that fighting over food makes the food disappear, they will behave
> well at meal time! Remember, they can easily skip a meal without any
> harm.
>
> Guess this has something to do with not smoking. One of the reasons I
> quit was so I could breathe to run agility with the doggies, and so I
> could afford to do it! I have not regretted it for even a second. Dogs
> as a hobby and a lifestyle, beat the hell out of smoking!
>
> Let me know if there is anything else I can tell you. All of this
> research ought to benefit more than just three spoiled, hairy dogs!
>
> Maude



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Old 02-01-2008, 03:40 AM
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Lynn wrote:
> Wow Maude thank you! I was just expecting a web site or something. I am off
> to look up those foods and started taking the food away today if they didn't
> eat it ( they both wolfed down lunch and supper with the puppy eating just
> his breakfast). both my babies like veggies I always add in whatever we are
> eating (carrots peas beans yes I know about no giving onions grapes etc)
> you gave me lots to think about and to DO! and know what? I probably
> wouldn't have dogs if I was still smoking because I had to work to pay for
> our addiction and noone would be home to look after them

Let me know how you make out with your research, Lynn. Every time one
of us experiments, we learn something new.

Blackdogs send a big "Woof!" your way!

Maude
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