My doctors are not very encouraging

I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
another major episode.

However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
morning and at night before bed time.

So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.

I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
until I finally don't smoke at all.

PolarBear

ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
may has some advice on this.

On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.

Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
BP. I don't subscribe to that.

I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
prove it. I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
and I believe it now. I think that the UPside of quitting is the
immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
depression that might arise. I think not thinking of it as a loss but
rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
through, what still gets me through. Of course I think staying close
to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.

I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. We
are not the only ones.

You can do this! Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
do this! love Stephanie

On Jun 12, 8:33*pm, Stephanie <sajesq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > another major episode.
>
> > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > PolarBear
>
> > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > may has some advice on this.
>
> Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
> lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
> BP. *I don't subscribe to that.
>
> I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
> And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
> prove it. * I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
> and I believe it now. *I think that the UPside of quitting is the
> immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
> depression that might arise. *I think not thinking of it as a loss but
> rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
> through, what still gets me through. *Of course I think staying close
> to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.
>
> I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
> privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. *We
> are not the only ones.
>
> You can do this! *Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
> do this! *love Stephanie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, this is wierd. I don't know how you can quit unless you quit.
Just quit. Is this rocket science? You can't quit smoking unless you
quit smoking (or am I missing something here)?
Befuddled person
Pam

On Jun 12, 8:33*pm, Stephanie <sajesq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > another major episode.
>
> > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > PolarBear
>
> > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > may has some advice on this.
>
> Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
> lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
> BP. *I don't subscribe to that.
>
> I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
> And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
> prove it. * I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
> and I believe it now. *I think that the UPside of quitting is the
> immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
> depression that might arise. *I think not thinking of it as a loss but
> rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
> through, what still gets me through. *Of course I think staying close
> to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.
>
> I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
> privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. *We
> are not the only ones.
>
> You can do this! *Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
> do this! *love Stephanie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

thanks Stephanie I so much needed your encouragement.

I just came from outside, crying. I was fine all day long without even
an urge to smoke, until I saw my doctor. Now, I feel so sad and
discouraged about the luck of support. I feel so alone and it just
makes me want to smoke.
You are right, I did it for three years and over the last year I still
had episodes even so I was smoking.

So if I can't get support from my doctors, I will have to get it from
here. I can do this, because I want to. You looked back up to me back
then, so I will look up at you now and prove that I can do it too.

Carmen
PolarBears don't smoke!

Would it be too much for you to change doctors? I ask because (1) their
preference for your continuing to kill yourself and their "playing it safe"
over the risk that change might actually be hard for you to quit (duh) is a
mis-prioritization that IMNSHO reflects poorly on their ethics and
expertise, and (2) having so-called eggsperts telling you that you may fail
makes it that much more likely that your confidence will be undermined,
which lack of confidence can contribute to a failed quit.

You want somebody supportive in your corner while you attempt to salvage
your health, not somebody who is acting skeptical and covering their own
malpractice asses. We here at as3 qualify as the former! We will be
supportive!

Keep doing prep work, PB. If you've got naysayers like these (IMHO) fools
undermining your confidence, then you need to do your homework before you
quit and make sure you have your support lined up, whether by changing
doctors or figuring out how to keep the negativity of your doctors out of
your head while you quit. We can help with the latter.

Preparation pays off. You're doing everything right. *Changing* your
smoking habits means you will be quitting a newer habit, in a way. It helps
a lot of quitters to change their smoking habits before they quit for good.

And there may be ways you can prepare for a "major episode," as you call it.
(I'm not talking through my hat, here. I've spent quality time in mental
wards in at least three states.) Part of your prep work can be to identify
signs that you may need somebody else to make your decisions, including the
decision to check you into a hospital. You can plan in advance for such a
contingency, and decide in advance your hospital or other treatment program
of choice, even if it's just staying with a friend or having a friend come
stay with you, for example.

And, I don't know about where you live, but every hospital I know of doesn't
allow smoking on the ward these days. So if you do check in, it will be
that much easier to stay quit. :-) Heck, I've always said that quitting
smoking is at least as hard as quitting any other addiction and there
*should* be in-patient programs for nicotine withdrawal and staying quit,
just like for alcohol detox or whatever!

Emulate your ideal self, not who the doctors try to scare you into being.
If you want to be free of this addiction, then do it. We're here to help.

ep oooooooof



"PolarBear" <carmensk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a4114ab-f273-4187-8323-a624f5db2c10@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.

On Jun 12, 8:56*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:33*pm, Stephanie <sajesq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > > another major episode.
>
> > > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > > PolarBear
>
> > > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > > may has some advice on this.
>
> > Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
> > lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
> > BP. *I don't subscribe to that.
>
> > I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
> > And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
> > prove it. * I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
> > and I believe it now. *I think that the UPside of quitting is the
> > immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
> > depression that might arise. *I think not thinking of it as a loss but
> > rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
> > through, what still gets me through. *Of course I think staying close
> > to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.
>
> > I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
> > privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. *We
> > are not the only ones.
>
> > You can do this! *Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
> > do this! *love Stephanie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> thanks Stephanie I so much needed your encouragement.
>
> I just came from outside, crying. I was fine all day long without even
> an urge to smoke, until I saw my doctor. Now, I feel so sad and
> discouraged about the luck of support. I feel so alone and it just
> makes me want to smoke.
> You are right, I did it for three years and over the last year I still
> had episodes even so I was smoking.
>
> So if I can't get support from my doctors, I will have to get it from
> here. I can do this, because I want to. You looked back up to me back
> then, so I will look up at you now and prove that I can do it too.
>
> Carmen
> PolarBears don't smoke!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh honey! This makes me just want to slug those ignorant doctors!

I'm sure than what they essentially meant is that it is damn
challenging to quit smoking. You know what I mean? It is indeed damn
challenging. It is challenging for those so called 'normal' people
(who don't know what their DSM diagnosis is :-)) and it is challenging
for those of us who do know our diagnoses! I have over the years seen
all kinds of depression around here - from a really common 'quit
smoking' depression to a deeper kind that really needs professional
help.

What you need to remember is that all kinds of people can and do
quit. They quit drinking too. And self-medicating with drugs too.
Now, even today there are times when I think that I could manage my
moods better if I were still drinking and smoking but I know the cost
is too high, so I don't drink and I don't smoke. These just aren't an
option anymore. Deep breathing, meditation, exercise, baths, talking
to friends, reading and posting here - all of these are options to
help me manage my moods. Drinking and smoking just aren't anymore.

You don't have to 'not smoke' forever, you just have to do it one day
at a time. knowing that A3S is open 24/7 with friends from all around
the world who can get back to you really quickly if you need a hug.
Just go read that thread you started the other day! OMGosh so much
love and so much happiness to see you again!

YOU know you better than your doctors do! And YOU know you can do it,
I can just FEEL it! love and hugs, Stephanie

What Stephanie said.

ep oooooooof

"Stephanie" <sajesqnyc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7547a66d-8875-40cf-a645-90939fae1449@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Oh honey! This makes me just want to slug those ignorant doctors!

I'm sure than what they essentially meant is that it is damn
challenging to quit smoking. You know what I mean? It is indeed damn
challenging. It is challenging for those so called 'normal' people
(who don't know what their DSM diagnosis is :-)) and it is challenging
for those of us who do know our diagnoses! I have over the years seen
all kinds of depression around here - from a really common 'quit
smoking' depression to a deeper kind that really needs professional
help.

What you need to remember is that all kinds of people can and do
quit. They quit drinking too. And self-medicating with drugs too.
Now, even today there are times when I think that I could manage my
moods better if I were still drinking and smoking but I know the cost
is too high, so I don't drink and I don't smoke. These just aren't an
option anymore. Deep breathing, meditation, exercise, baths, talking
to friends, reading and posting here - all of these are options to
help me manage my moods. Drinking and smoking just aren't anymore.

You don't have to 'not smoke' forever, you just have to do it one day
at a time. knowing that A3S is open 24/7 with friends from all around
the world who can get back to you really quickly if you need a hug.
Just go read that thread you started the other day! OMGosh so much
love and so much happiness to see you again!

YOU know you better than your doctors do! And YOU know you can do it,
I can just FEEL it! love and hugs, Stephanie

"PolarBear" <wrote in message ...
>I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.

Hey Carmen!

It is soooo good to see you here, back with us all.
It feels good. Thanks for sharing with us.

As crappy as the Drs are in the area where I live, they at
least know they should support ANY person quitting smoking.

I'm just a lowley RN, but achieving a personal accomplishment
will increase self esteem -- and prevent disasterious health
problems.

Be good to yourself, and stay in touch.

jacks, Four years, four months, two weeks, three days.
47994 cigarettes not smoked, saving $9,694.54.

"PolarBear" <carmensk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33ca5476-9f3e-4501-b455-915ea59a151f@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 12, 8:33 pm, Stephanie <sajesq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:11 pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > another major episode.
>
> > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > PolarBear
>
> > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > may has some advice on this.
>
> Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
> lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
> BP. I don't subscribe to that.
>
> I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
> And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
> prove it. I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
> and I believe it now. I think that the UPside of quitting is the
> immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
> depression that might arise. I think not thinking of it as a loss but
> rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
> through, what still gets me through. Of course I think staying close
> to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.
>
> I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
> privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. We
> are not the only ones.
>
> You can do this! Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
> do this! love Stephanie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

thanks Stephanie I so much needed your encouragement.

I just came from outside, crying. I was fine all day long without even
an urge to smoke, until I saw my doctor. Now, I feel so sad and
discouraged about the luck of support. I feel so alone and it just
makes me want to smoke.
You are right, I did it for three years and over the last year I still
had episodes even so I was smoking.

So if I can't get support from my doctors, I will have to get it from
here. I can do this, because I want to. You looked back up to me back
then, so I will look up at you now and prove that I can do it too.

Carmen
PolarBears don't smoke!

*****Sure, Carmen, Doctors often see the darker sides of things, to keep
themselves extra careful.

But you just show him, now, O.K.?

PolarBear wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.
Hi Bear!

Hope your doctors are wrong. Me, I think the pride in being stronger
than your addiction, and the joy in being free, might be enough to carry
you through. I cannot believe your doctor thinks the only answer for
you is to continue smoking. Perhaps you might look for a doctor who is
willing to work with you to help you accomplish this wonderful goal.

I admire your courage to fight this battle. When things get tough,
remember to hug yourself for me and congratulate yourself for the power
you have mustered to fight this battle. Remember - you are not alone.
You have friends who are here if you need us!

You go, Bear! Can't let that nicotine stain that beautiful, white fur!

Maude

"Maude" wrote


> Hope your doctors are wrong.


Like many, doctors seem to like being proven wrong.
They are usually humble enough to roll with the punches.

PolarBear wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.
(((Carmen))) I will say this because I had a very bad experience with my
cardiologist today. Those arrogant, condescending SOBS can be asshole
wrong. Sorry about my language, but you CAN quit again, HPB!!!
Debbie VOF Rocker

Amen to that. Carmen I have no idea what happened to your quit, but you
were in good shape with your quit for quite a while and that is a horse
you have already learned how to ride. Just get back in the saddle for a
little while and it will feel familiar before you know it.

And, excuse me for saying it this way, but *fuck* the doctors. They
don't know everything.

hugs,

elle



Stephanie wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:11 pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
>> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
>> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
>> another major episode.
>>
>> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
>> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
>> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
>> morning and at night before bed time.
>>
>> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
>> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>>
>> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
>> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>>
>> PolarBear
>>
>> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
>> may has some advice on this.
>
> Sweetie I haven't been there to that group in ages. Years. I know a
> lot of them (at Peepers) smoke and kind of consider it part of being
> BP. I don't subscribe to that.
>
> I know that I don't smoke, and for the longest time you didn't smoke.
> And your mantra was that you didn't need to and you were going to
> prove it. I believed you then, it got me rolling and kept me going,
> and I believe it now. I think that the UPside of quitting is the
> immediate reinstatement of self-esteem and pride which can offset the
> depression that might arise. I think not thinking of it as a loss but
> rather as a sign of finally treating myself well is what got me
> through, what still gets me through. Of course I think staying close
> to Pdocs through this is important as it is a huge life transition.
>
> I am not going to name any names but some people here have let me know
> privately that they are successfully managing BP and being quit. We
> are not the only ones.
>
> You can do this! Just know we are all here for you as you gear up to
> do this! love Stephanie

"elle" wrote
> ...And, excuse me for saying it this way, but *fuck* the doctors. They
> don't know everything.

Hear, hear! My first reaction to your post, PB, was also along the lines of:
"Well, fuck 'em, then!"
It's one thing for a physician to want to be cautious in his/her treatment
of a patient, ("First, do no harm" is one of the principal precepts all
medical students are taught) and another thing to dissuade or to stand in
the way of a patient who sincerely wishes to help him/ herself overcome an
addiction and fundamentally improve their general health.

I asked a doctor, many years ago, if he'd prescribe the patch for me. I'd
hit a point where I'd become serious about making a real attempt. He gave me
some crap about how I should wait until I had little or no stress to deal
with before trying to quit.
I couldn't believe it! Marsha, my lovely, kind, pacifist wife, came about as
close as I think I've ever seen her get to punching someone in the face...

You need a new doctor, I think. That's my unasked-for, .50 cent opinion.

On 13 jun, 02:11, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.

It may be me but, what doctor would not be thrilled to hear their
patient wants to quit the most dangerous thing they are doing??

I don't know what you mean with "another major episode" tho. But,
fwiw, all nicotine addiction does is add stress in your life. It does
not calm you down, as opposed to what you may think. If you are taking
any medication, all your docotrs have to do is monitor your
progression and ajust your medication as needed. Doctors and
psychiatrists are not educated in smoking cessation, their knowledge
comes from scriptures and all sorts of research materials they find
here and there, wich, al lot of times, are highly missinforming.
Please, don't take their word as gospel on this matter.

No matter what situation you are in, quitting smoking can only make
your life better.

Inky,

Free since 22/06/07. No nicotine for 11 months, 3 weeks, 1 day, 1
hour, 57 minutes and 9 seconds. That's 10712 stinkers not smoked,
saving € 1.135,52. Reclaiming 5 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 40 minutes.

On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.

Hi Carmen

Sorry I wasn't around yesterday - have to agree with everyone that
maybe it is time to change doctors and they are sure as hell not
always right!! I was also told by a so called medical professional
that smoking would cause me more stress than would be good for me once
- smoking *is* stressful!! You can do this Carmen and you will feel
happy and proud as you did before that you did - there are so many
people here who love and will support you all the way, and it is so
lovely for me to see my original quit buddy back too.

Remeber, I don't smoke so you can't ;o)

Hugs

Karen x

Two months, one week, six days, 12 hours, 43 minutes and 10 seconds.
1490 cigarettes not smoked, saving $596.24. Life saved: 5 days, 4
hours, 10 minutes.

I have had a few experiences with doctors lately myself. We tend to put
them all on a pedestal, and quietly accept whatever pronouncements they
make, without challenge. This is something to be avoided. Doctors are
by and large caring and compassionate, but also human... and they do
make mistakes.
In this day and age, becoming informed is not only your right, it is
your obligation. And sometimes becoming informed means seeking a
second, or even third, opinion. There are MANY caring doctors out there
who will help you, but it is up to you to find one. You are not alone
in this!
Please seek out a doctor that is more in tune with your needs. I am
positive you will find one.
SteveS
OOF

PolarBear wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:33 pm, Stephanie <sajesq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 12, 8:11 pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>


>
> thanks Stephanie I so much needed your encouragement.
>
> I just came from outside, crying. I was fine all day long without even
> an urge to smoke, until I saw my doctor. Now, I feel so sad and
> discouraged about the luck of support. I feel so alone and it just
> makes me want to smoke.
> You are right, I did it for three years and over the last year I still
> had episodes even so I was smoking.
>
> So if I can't get support from my doctors, I will have to get it from
> here. I can do this, because I want to. You looked back up to me back
> then, so I will look up at you now and prove that I can do it too.
>
> Carmen
> PolarBears don't smoke!

On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
>I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.

In a recent post by Jef he wrote about "When you hear hoofbeats, think
horses, not zebras."
I think this applies in a way to you right now.

So think horses!
You can do it - we can help!
Love Lizzy

Carmen! As others have already written, fire the docs and get new
ones who can be encouraging to you with your quit. But more than
them, DO lean on us here at AS3. I found that by ready every post
when I first got smober helped me by taking up time I might have used
to smoke as well as getting massive reinforcements to my quit.

There is no denial that getting smober can cause some depression in a
person as you are giving up a powerful stimulent in nicotine. For
many people, that rush is the help they need to not be in a depressed
mode and when it's gone, the depression surfaces. I am guessing you
are already taking meds to work on that so you might need some
tweaking of your dosing, but do stick with your quit. You have been
quit before so you know you can do it. You know how much better you
felt physcially when you were quit so get smober and enjoy that.

I do think that getting smober is about looking at the goals of health
& wealth rather than giving up something. You get smober and
immediately you are rewarding yourself. I find that the longer I am
smober the greater pride I have knowing that I can do this and *am*
doing it!

We're in your corner, so go KICK SOME BUTT!!!

FlatironMike
One year, four months, two days, 16 hours, 37 minutes and 12 seconds.
9773 cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,931.90. Life saved: 4 weeks, 5
days, 22 hours, 25 minutes.

On Jun 13, 6:43*am, Karen <sendka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:11*pm, PolarBear <carme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > another major episode.
>
> > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > PolarBear
>
> > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > may has some advice on this.
>
> Hi Carmen
>
> Sorry I wasn't around yesterday - *have to agree with everyone that
> maybe it is time to change doctors and they are sure as hell not
> always right!! I was also told by a so called medical professional
> that smoking would cause me more stress than would be good for me once
> - smoking *is* stressful!! You can do this Carmen and you will feel
> happy and proud as you did before that you did - there are so many
> people here who love and will support you all the way, and it is so
> lovely for me to see my original quit buddy back too.
>
> Remeber, I don't smoke so you can't ;o)
>
> Hugs
>
> Karen x
>
> Two months, one week, six days, 12 hours, 43 minutes and 10 seconds.
> 1490 cigarettes not smoked, saving $596.24. Life saved: 5 days, 4
> hours, 10 minutes.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

((( Karen )))

thanks for the reminder. I know it was always our favourite sentence "
I don't smoke so you can''t" It guided us for a long time. And it will
guide us again, through all the hard times.

hugs
PolarBear

On Jun 12, 9:04*pm, "Edna Pearl" <edna_pe...@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com>
wrote:
> Would it be too much for you to change doctors? * I ask because (1) their
> preference for your continuing to kill yourself and their "playing it safe"
> over the risk that change might actually be hard for you to quit (duh) is a
> mis-prioritization that IMNSHO reflects poorly on their ethics and
> expertise, and (2) *having so-called eggsperts telling you that you may fail
> makes it that much more likely that your confidence will be undermined,
> which lack of confidence can contribute to a failed quit.
>
> You want somebody supportive in your corner while you attempt to salvage
> your health, not somebody who is acting skeptical and covering their own
> malpractice asses. *We here at as3 qualify as the former! *We will be
> supportive!
>
> Keep doing prep work, PB. *If you've got naysayers like these (IMHO) fools
> undermining your confidence, then you need to do your homework before you
> quit and make sure you have your support lined up, whether by changing
> doctors or figuring out how to keep the negativity of your doctors out of
> your head while you quit. *We can help with the latter.
>
> Preparation pays off. *You're doing everything right. **Changing* your
> smoking habits means you will be quitting a newer habit, in a way. *It helps
> a lot of quitters to change their smoking habits before they quit for good..
>
> And there may be ways you can prepare for a "major episode," as you call it.
> (I'm not talking through my hat, here. *I've spent quality time in mental
> wards in at least three states.) *Part of your prep work can be to identify
> signs that you may need somebody else to make your decisions, including the
> decision to check you into a hospital. *You can plan in advance for sucha
> contingency, and decide in advance your hospital or other treatment program
> of choice, even if it's just staying with a friend or having a friend come
> stay with you, for example.
>
> And, I don't know about where you live, but every hospital I know of doesn't
> allow smoking on the ward these days. *So if you do check in, it will be
> that much easier to stay quit. :-) *Heck, I've always said that quitting
> smoking is at least as hard as quitting any other addiction and there
> *should* be in-patient programs for nicotine withdrawal and staying quit,
> just like for alcohol detox or whatever!
>
> Emulate your ideal self, not who the doctors try to scare you into being.
> If you want to be free of this addiction, then do it. *We're here to help.
>
> ep oooooooof
> >
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thanks Edna,

I never looked it up this way. Rather than loosing my optimism I must
have things in place should I get so depressed or run into high that I
put myself in danger. Even so I hate the idea to have to check into a
hospital again but it is still better than smoking for the rest of my
life. My husband already knows what to do should it go that far, It
wouldn't be the first time that he had to get help. He knows the signs
and knows who to contact.

You are so right being in the hospital as a smoker is the worse thing
ever. I just went through it in January and I would have done anything
just to get out for one smoke.

PolarBear

On Jun 12, 9:52*pm, Maude <squir...@rodent.net> wrote:
> PolarBear wrote:
> > I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> > decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> > both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> > another major episode.
>
> > However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> > days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> > and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> > morning and at night before bed time.
>
> > So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> > difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> > I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> > until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> > PolarBear
>
> > ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> > may has some advice on this.
>
> Hi Bear!
>
> Hope your doctors are wrong. *Me, I think the pride in being stronger
> than your addiction, and the joy in being free, might be enough to carry
> you through. *I cannot believe your doctor thinks the only answer for
> you is to continue smoking. *Perhaps you might look for a doctor who is
> willing to work with you to help you accomplish this wonderful goal.
>
> I admire your courage to fight this battle. *When things get tough,
> remember to hug yourself for me and congratulate yourself for the power
> you have mustered to fight this battle. *Remember - you are not alone.
> You have friends who are here if you need us!
>
> You go, Bear! *Can't let that nicotine stain that beautiful, white fur!
>
> Maude- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Yes, Maude I am stronger than this addiction. I stayed quit for three
years. I was so proud that I did it. I was also to stubborn to let go
of the freedom I had gained. I want that back. And I will fight for it
again. I want my white fur back and throw white snow balls at you
again.

PolarBear

You know what HPB? Let them be afraid ,thats their emotion not yours. It is
good that they are worried for you and your mental health but they would be
just as worried if you said you were going to take up running or whatever.
it is not that they don't think you can do it, but they want you to be well.
so let this place be your support system for quitting and they can help you
elsewhere.
--
Lynn VOF+ Leaper
"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."



"PolarBear" <carmensk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a4114ab-f273-4187-8323-a624f5db2c10@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I told my doctors (both family doctor and psychatrist) about my
> decision to quit smoking. They both didn't seem to happy. They are
> both affraid that it will pull me down again and I will end up in
> another major episode.
>
> However, I am very determined to quit smoking and over the last two
> days the urge to smoke was very little. I was able to destruct my mind
> and do something else such as reading posts. I only smoked in the
> morning and at night before bed time.
>
> So I think if I can do that over the next couple of days without
> difficulties and mood changes I should be able to not smoke at all.
>
> I will stick around read and posts so I want smoke throughout the day
> until I finally don't smoke at all.
>
> PolarBear
>
> ps: Stephanie I will check into HoPer's group and see if anyone else
> may has some advice on this.