SIX MONTHS PLUS!!

Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...

BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
that I really enjoy.

Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
baking.

Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail of
flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the brown
bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
.... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
really big loaf of bread.

Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.

So how's this like quitting smoking?

At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.

The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus it
was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
improvement.

Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and strain,
some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.

As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.

Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit smoking.
It's all good.

Cheers and Hugs,
Marvin

I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM

--
I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.

On Sep 18, 4:56 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>
> BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
> do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
> think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
> that I really enjoy.
>
> Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
> that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
> flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
> Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
> baking.
>
> Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
> spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
> lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
> batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
> 'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail of
> flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
> shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
> week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the brown
> bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
> ... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
> really big loaf of bread.
>
> Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
> is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.
>
> So how's this like quitting smoking?
>
> At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
> bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
> coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
> seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.
>
> The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
> blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus it
> was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
> improvement.
>
> Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and strain,
> some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.
>
> As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
> grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.
>
> Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
> it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit smoking.
> It's all good.
>
> Cheers and Hugs,
> Marvin
>
> I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
> 32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
> cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM
>
> --
> I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.

So, what song will mark the occasion.
Your life should have a sound track.
Remind me some time to send you a link to a Mark Isham interview.
The web wandering your music induces in me led me to it.

DavidL wrote:
> On Sep 18, 4:56 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
> <marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>>
>> BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
>> do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
>> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
>> think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
>> that I really enjoy.
>>
>> Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
>> that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
>> flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
>> Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
>> baking.
>>
>> Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
>> spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
>> lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
>> batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
>> 'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail of
>> flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
>> shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
>> week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the brown
>> bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
>> ... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
>> really big loaf of bread.
>>
>> Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
>> is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.
>>
>> So how's this like quitting smoking?
>>
>> At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
>> bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
>> coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
>> seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.
>>
>> The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
>> blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus it
>> was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
>> improvement.
>>
>> Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and strain,
>> some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.
>>
>> As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
>> grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.
>>
>> Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
>> it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit smoking.
>> It's all good.
>>
>> Cheers and Hugs,
>> Marvin
>>
>> I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
>> 32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
>> cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
>> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM
>>
>> --
>> I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.
>
> So, what song will mark the occasion.
> Your life should have a sound track.
> Remind me some time to send you a link to a Mark Isham interview.
> The web wandering your music induces in me led me to it.
>

Two songs ...

http://www.johnphoto.com/retro/ImReady.html

http://www.johnphoto.com/retro/castY...ToTheWind.html

The first would make the bread fall listening to it at work ...

Cheers!

-- Marvin

--
I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.

Woo Hoo Marvin! Maybe I otta have the Gnomes come and entertain you
and help with the kneeding to mark this achievement. <G> Certainly I
have seen you grow into the job as I came here right before you
started it and remember some of your earliest posts about the job
wondering if you were nutz to have taken it. I think that you are
blessed to be working at something that gives you so much joy and
entertainment. So many of us are stuck in ruts and wooden lives and
your joy gives us all a lift. Maybe you need to change your handle
from the ParanoidAndroid to MarvintheYeastMan...<G>

FlatironMike
oldetimekneader
Seven months, one week, 20 hours, 10 minutes and 9 seconds. 4396
cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,318.79. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 6
hours, 20 minutes.

On Sep 18, 6:40 pm, FlatIronMike <FlatironMike...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Woo Hoo Marvin! Maybe I otta have the Gnomes come and entertain you
> and help with the kneeding to mark this achievement. <G> Certainly I
> have seen you grow into the job as I came here right before you
> started it and remember some of your earliest posts about the job
> wondering if you were nutz to have taken it. I think that you are
> blessed to be working at something that gives you so much joy and
> entertainment. So many of us are stuck in ruts and wooden lives and
> your joy gives us all a lift. Maybe you need to change your handle
> from the ParanoidAndroid to MarvintheYeastMan...<G>
>
> FlatironMike
> oldetimekneader
> Seven months, one week, 20 hours, 10 minutes and 9 seconds. 4396
> cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,318.79. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 6
> hours, 20 minutes.

LOL ... thanks Mike!

I liked 'Cookieman' ... a superhero figure, full of sweetness but
mostly nuts.

Cheers!

-- Marvin

On Sep 18, 6:48 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:40 pm, FlatIronMike <FlatironMike...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Woo Hoo Marvin! Maybe I otta have the Gnomes come and entertain you
> > and help with the kneeding to mark this achievement. <G> Certainly I
> > have seen you grow into the job as I came here right before you
> > started it and remember some of your earliest posts about the job
> > wondering if you were nutz to have taken it. I think that you are
> > blessed to be working at something that gives you so much joy and
> > entertainment. So many of us are stuck in ruts and wooden lives and
> > your joy gives us all a lift. Maybe you need to change your handle
> > from the ParanoidAndroid to MarvintheYeastMan...<G>
>
> > FlatironMike
> > oldetimekneader
> > Seven months, one week, 20 hours, 10 minutes and 9 seconds. 4396
> > cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,318.79. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 6
> > hours, 20 minutes.
>
> LOL ... thanks Mike!
>
> I liked 'Cookieman' ... a superhero figure, full of sweetness but
> mostly nuts.
>
> Cheers!
>
> -- Marvin

Marvie - when Mike said "I think that you are blessed to be working
at something that gives you so much joy and entertainment", he SHOULD
have said what gives you so much joy and US so much entertainment.
Bless you for being here. You're the BEST!
Hugs,
Pam

I'm so glad you're enjoying your job. Truth to tell I didn't have
much hope because I'd been following things for awhile before you got
it and it seemed that you were having trouble finding your niche. I'm
happy I was wrong. Are you still also helping the elderly and
disabled?
Sue

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:56:32 -0400, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>
>BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
>do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
>think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
>that I really enjoy.
>
>Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
>that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
>flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
>Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
>baking.
>
>Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
>spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
>lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
>batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
>'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail of
>flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
>shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
>week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the brown
>bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
>... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
>really big loaf of bread.
>
>Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
>is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.
>
>So how's this like quitting smoking?
>
>At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
>bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
>coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
>seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.
>
>The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
>blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus it
>was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
>improvement.
>
>Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and strain,
>some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.
>
>As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
>grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.
>
>Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
>it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit smoking.
> It's all good.
>
>Cheers and Hugs,
>Marvin
>
>I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
>32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
>cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
>minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM

On Sep 18, 8:54 pm, Sue <sebr...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> I'm so glad you're enjoying your job. Truth to tell I didn't have
> much hope because I'd been following things for awhile before you got
> it and it seemed that you were having trouble finding your niche. I'm
> happy I was wrong. Are you still also helping the elderly and
> disabled?
> Sue

No -- but I did LOVE doing that too. But I think I didn't see it as
being a *job* ... I just enjoyed hanging out with them and trying to
make their day a better one and in the process my day better too.

I believe it comes back to the Dalia Lama's idea of happiness ...
helping others tends to lead to happiness.

Problem was I went to college for tech, got gov't R&D in tech and
hated the organizational inertia and sense of wasting your time (and
Life since the clock never stops), then 4 fabulous years in the
private sector at Nortel, which I loved. But Nortel was unique. The
other 'jobs' since then have either been a joke or just didn't pan
out. I think tech is dead for me ... time to move on. Such is Life.

Yes -- I very much enjoy what I'm doing now -- baking is something
very fundamental, but at as much an art as a science. And there's
always room for improvement and experimentation. And since I have
both a technical and creative streak it appeals to me in many ways, I
guess.

It's all good.

Cheers!

-- Marvie

On Sep 18, 8:40 pm, Pam <PFa...@Fortune-Johnson.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:48 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
>
>
>
> <marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 6:40 pm, FlatIronMike <FlatironMike...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Woo Hoo Marvin! Maybe I otta have the Gnomes come and entertain you
> > > and help with the kneeding to mark this achievement. <G> Certainly I
> > > have seen you grow into the job as I came here right before you
> > > started it and remember some of your earliest posts about the job
> > > wondering if you were nutz to have taken it. I think that you are
> > > blessed to be working at something that gives you so much joy and
> > > entertainment. So many of us are stuck in ruts and wooden lives and
> > > your joy gives us all a lift. Maybe you need to change your handle
> > > from the ParanoidAndroid to MarvintheYeastMan...<G>
>
> > > FlatironMike
> > > oldetimekneader
> > > Seven months, one week, 20 hours, 10 minutes and 9 seconds. 4396
> > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,318.79. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 6
> > > hours, 20 minutes.
>
> > LOL ... thanks Mike!
>
> > I liked 'Cookieman' ... a superhero figure, full of sweetness but
> > mostly nuts.
>
> > Cheers!
>
> > -- Marvin
>
> Marvie - when Mike said "I think that you are blessed to be working
> at something that gives you so much joy and entertainment", he SHOULD
> have said what gives you so much joy and US so much entertainment.
> Bless you for being here. You're the BEST!
> Hugs,
> Pam

Thanks Pam!

Hugs,
Marvin

Marvie, glad you're happy. I don't look at bread the way I used to
anymore, much more appreciation, and I spend the extra buck to get better
and fresher.Thanks for the enlightenment.

Tracy
10M

Marvin The Paranoid Android <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:46f049df$0$24925$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com:

> Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>
> BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able
to
> do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why
I
> think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
> that I really enjoy.
>
> Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
> that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
> flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
> Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
> baking.
>
> Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
> spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
> lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
> batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
> 'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail
of
> flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
> shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
> week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the
brown
> bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
> ... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
> really big loaf of bread.
>
> Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
> is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.
>
> So how's this like quitting smoking?
>
> At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
> bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
> coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
> seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.
>
> The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
> blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus
it
> was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
> improvement.
>
> Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and
strain,
> some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.
>
> As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
> grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.
>
> Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
> it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit
smoking.
> It's all good.
>
> Cheers and Hugs,
> Marvin
>
> I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
> 32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
> cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM
>

I try to not be jealous... but I wish I had a job like yours. MIS isn't
as interesting as it used to be for me.

Oh well, I'm happy for you Marvin. And please keep sharing. I love
hearing about your adventures in the bakery.

ConcordPhil
I have not smoked in 2M 1W 4D 56m. That's 73 days! I have not used any
nicotine at all since 9/03/2007.

Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
> Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>
> BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
> do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
> think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
> that I really enjoy.
>
> Today I bought a book on gluten free breads -- we have a few customers
> that come in looking for something wheat-free and all we can offer is
> flax bread, which has a very strong sour dough base. Also ordered 'The
> Bread Baker's Apprentice' a highly rated and technical book on bread
> baking.
>
> Last night I went in expecting the bread to explode in the oven (oven
> spring) as it had last week but instead the first 2 batches were
> lifeless -- minimal oven spring. So I'm stumped. The next couple of
> batches look better then the 3rd batch, a whole wheat multigrain,
> 'explodes' so I'm wondering to myself 'WTF?' I realize that the pail of
> flour I use had been filled by someone else who mixed two separate
> shipments of flour ... the explosive stuff some other from the previous
> week ... 'Ah!' I think ... too late to make adjustments tho so the brown
> bread goes in loaded with yeast and molasses and explodes too ... lol
> ... sigh. Oh well -- it exploded evenly and it's a just a really,
> really big loaf of bread.
>
> Sorry to bore you with the details, but the scent of fresh baked bread
> is seductive and I have been thoroughly seduced.
>
> So how's this like quitting smoking?
>
> At first I felt I had to take the job due to a $900 automotive repair
> bill that was handed to us the same day the bakery called, which by
> coincidence was also my birthday. So I felt compelled to do this. It
> seemed like Opportunity was offering me a birthday gift.
>
> The first day almost killed me. My back was in agony. Lifting a 70 lb
> blob of dough from a bucket on the ground takes a bit of effort. Plus it
> was nights. The first week continued much like this but with a gradual
> improvement.
>
> Over the next several weeks I discovered new muscles to pull and strain,
> some of them aching for many days at a time. Eventually I adjusted.
>
> As time passed I started to see the job differently and my enthusiasm
> grew, as it continues to do to this day. It's all good. Life is good.
>
> Quitting can be a real bugger at first, possibly seem impossible. But
> it is possible. If I can bake bread for a living, you can quit smoking.
> It's all good.
>
> Cheers and Hugs,
> Marvin
>
> I have been quit for 3 Years, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 9 hours, 45 minutes and
> 32 seconds (1,121 days). I have saved $5,831.30 by not smoking 14,578
> cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 2 Weeks, 6 Days, 14 hours and 50
> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 8/23/2004 8:00 AM
>

Once upon a time, Marvin The Paranoid Android said:

>Er ... since I started at the bakery ... er ...
>
>BUT! If I hadn't quit smoking, I most likely would not have been able to
>do this job. The first few weeks were brutal and physically punishing.
> But I got used to it eh, aaaand now I really enjoy it. Which is why I
>think I mark this as a milestone -- first job since Nortel (Dec 2001)
>that I really enjoy.

Beautiful and personally inspiring post Marvin. I am both behind you
in quitting, and am looking for a job for over half a year now.

Somehow, your post reinforced my hope I will find one soon and will
also enjoy it. Thank you.

--
Tihomir *I don't smoke anymore*
IRC chat: #nosmokers at irc.starlink.org
irc://irc.starlink.org/nosmokers

.... Behind an able man, there are always other able men.