Too Tired to Rant

*****Pity party alert******
Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
dribble his self pity all over the news group.
*****Pity party alert******


So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
(pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.

If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
this stupid drug again.

I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.

There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.

As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
being my home, AS3.

Cheers,
Rob
I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
about that...or anything else, to be honest.

I'm just replying for the same reason you posted.
I'm mostly composing the thoughts prompted by your post.

Almost a week without a cigarette is miracle if you're anything like
me.
You deserve a HUGE reward.

I spent my entire adult life (and most of my teens) medicating myself
with nicotine.
25-30 years....
Months after my last dose of Chantix, I'm still learning to live
without that stimulant.
I've got to cut back on my coffee, sleep right, eat right, exercise
right, ignore annoying people right........
I've got a major learning curve ahead of me.
My body has a ton of healing and adjusting to do.

But the highest priority for me is, don't let ANYTHING risk my
returning to the slavery of addiction to cigarettes.

I'm sure rooting for you...
Tell us more about "handbell practice"

Yes, Rob, we can indeed relate. And you're doing the right thing by just
coming here and posting how you feel.

What you're going through is just plain normal. I don't have to tell you
that for most of us at most times in our lives, quitting smoking is hard.

Now, I'm not trying to criticize you -- on the contrary, I think you're very
brave and wonderful to have made it this far, and I think you should be
REWARDED, not scolded, but I did notice one little red flag in your post
that I might be able to help with. You said,

> If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
> schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> days feeling this way.

This is exactly what NOT to think about in the early days of a quit. Don't
worry about how you're going to feel when, when it's going to get better,
whether you can take it, yadda yadda yadda. Just don't worry. Just take it
one. day. at. a. time. Sometimes you have to take it one hour at a time or
one afternoon at a time or one TV show at a time, but for god's sake don't
think about 70-1/2 days from now. ANYBODY gets depressed thinking about
every dish they'll ever have to wash, every bill they'll ever have to pay,
and every cigarette they'll ever have to not smoke. So just don't go there.
Take it one day at a time. Odat.

On the other hand, this part of your post is really good thinking:

> It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> this stupid drug again.

Amen, brother.

And what you describe here:
> I would rant, but to be honest
> with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
> seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
> I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
> today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
> but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
> (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.

Sounds like just plain quitting, to me. It sounds like the first weeks of a
quit. Sleep is your friend. Hot baths are good. Brain fog is normal. WITH
OR WITHOUT Chantix. On the other hand, Chantix is OBVIOUSLY helping you,
because you're not jonesing. You're just miserably tired, and your energy
levels are fubar, which is normal normal normal.

It's entirely up to you and your doctor whether Chantix is right for you,
but I just offer this observation as an outsider who has been around the
quitting block a few times. IMHO, it would be best to maintain the course
you've set with the quit aid you've chose, a quit aid (Chantix) that has
helped make possible a lot of quits here at as3.

Oh, and give yourself a reward for getting this far. Even if it's just
another nap :-) remind yourself that you DESERVE it.

YMMV, take what you need and leave the rest, etc.

ep oooooooof

Before I go and try to figure out some productive activity for the
next three hours and 17 minutes (until I can go home and take a
nap :-), I just had to reply to David's request:

> Tell us more about "handbell practice"

Ah, handbells. One of the true joys in my life! I am a member of
three (four, if you count our summer ensemble) groups of english
handbell choirs--two at my church and one at another one down the
road. Handbell choirs typically consist of 12 - 14 people, each of
whom are responsible for 2 - 4 "notes". For example, if you're
playing in the bass octave where the bells are physically larger, you
might have C - E, meaning C, C#, D, D# and E. If you're in the treble
clef, particulary in the higher octaves, you might have A, A# and B,
but have two octaves of each bell. Bell assignments depend, of
course, on how many octaves (bells) you're playing and how many people
are in the choir. Handbell music is written for any number of people,
from solos to quartets, up to the normal 12 - 14 people.

Handbells were originally invented as "practice" for ringing the large
bells in cathedrals. Most handbell choirs are made up of three to
five octaves (sometimes more) of handbells. Ours goes from a low C (3
lines below bass clef) to a high C which is 6 "spaces" above the
treble cleff. Bells are often complimented with chimes (aluminum
things that look sort of like tuning forks) and sometimes other
percussive instruments. There is also music written for handbells
plus any number of other instruments from piano to flute to trumpet.

The vast majority of handbell music is religious in origin, though
music is being published for everything from Bach to The Who. There
are professional handbell choirs (I actually tried out for the Raleigh
Ringers a couple of years ago) and I would highly recommend going to a
handbell concert if you have an opportunity. Don't sit too close to
the front, though. It can get loud and a lot of the performane is
visual, so you get a better experience a little further back.

So that's a brief discription of "handbell practice". Thanks for
asking:-)

Cheers,
Rob
Feeling better about breathing free for six days, 14 hours, 13 minutes
and 39 seconds. That's 197 cigarettes I've not smoked, saving $39.55.
Life saved...oooh, puppies!

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT), "Billy Bob F."
<billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
>with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
>can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
>seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
>I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
>today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
>first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
>but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
>a nap.
Chantix did that to me as well, and I kept hoping I would adjust to
it. I ended up reducing the dose by breaking the tabs in half.
Ask the doctor for the 1/2 Milligram dose. If that fails, reduce to 1
a day. Both my neighbor and I had to do that.

If you read the prescribing info and the literature you will see that
between the .5 and 1 Mg doses, there is only a few percent difference
in Quit Success.
I actually DID take a nap after my morning dose the first week.

The important thing is that you are not smoking. Nothing else is that
important. Even a low dose of Chantix can help. And if you CANNOT
take it, remember, most people here had quit without it.

Rambling is fine Rob
Nearly FWD, you're doing fantastic.
I quit cold turkey and to start with I just wanted to sleep,
Hang in there, it WILL get better :-)

Cheers

(¯`.¸·´¯) Barbara (¯`·¸.´¯)
SFB2er®
~DOF~
Live every day with enjoyment -
we don't know what tomorrow will give us.

"Billy Bob F." <billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42b7d83d-1a8f-40b2-b71f-ca5b5ad69cb7@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> *****Pity party alert******
> Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> *****Pity party alert******
>
>
> So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
> with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
> seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
> I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
> today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
> but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
> (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
> schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> this stupid drug again.
>
> I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
> only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
> posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
> read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
> tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
> is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
> place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
> being my home, AS3.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
> about that...or anything else, to be honest.

Nice post, rob. did't sound like self-pity to me, it just sounded realistic. Perhaps
you would be one of those folks well-served by discontinuing the Chantix, a lot of
oeple had to stop because of side effects, maybe this fatigue is enough reason to
discontinue. The pbysical withdrawal is over now, its all psychological from this
point on.

Billy Bob F. <billybobf@hotmail.com> penned.wrote.stated:
: *****Pity party alert******
: Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
: dribble his self pity all over the news group.
: *****Pity party alert******


: So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
: with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
: can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
: seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
: I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
: today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
: first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
: but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
: a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
: and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
: to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
: (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.

: If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
: I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
: schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
: smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
: days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
: would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
: this stupid drug again.

: I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
: Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
: only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
: before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.

: There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
: posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
: read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
: tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
: is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
: people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
: place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.

: As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
: when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
: being my home, AS3.

: Cheers,
: Rob
: I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
: about that...or anything else, to be honest.

Rob, whether it feels like it or not to you, objectively speaking
you're doing well. Just hang in there and it will get easier. Really.

SueR
Three months, five days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 55 seconds. 387
cigarettes not smoked, saving R 388.00. Life saved: 1 day, 8 hours, 15
minutes.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT), "Billy Bob F."
<billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote:

>*****Pity party alert******
>Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
>dribble his self pity all over the news group.
>*****Pity party alert******
>
>
>So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
snip
>As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
>when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
>being my home, AS3.
>
>Cheers,
>Rob
>I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
>about that...or anything else, to be honest.
Rob,
Great post.
I almost don't want to say this, but I quit cold turkey and had the
worst brain fog I could imagine. It did subside eventually.
I hope you keep your quit. You will be pleased if you do.
Fred

Fascinating.
You left out the flats though.
/me ducks and runs



> For example, if you're
> playing in the bass octave where the bells are physically larger, you
> might have C - E, meaning C, C#, D, D# and E. If you're in the treble
> clef, particulary in the higher octaves, you might have A, A# and B,

Kathleen, who obviously knows *nothing* about handbells, wrote:
> Fascinating. *
> You left out the flats though.

Kathleen, I'll let you pass on this one, but let me educate you a bit.

You see, handbells don't *have* flats. Because of the round nature of
the bells themselves, if there were flats, it would ruin the
"wholeness" of the sounds they produce. I will admit, though, if they
had flats, it would eliminate the need for "cradles" for the bigger
bells to keep them from rolling off the table.

Hope this helps,
Rob

P.S. Plus, my keyboard doesn't do flats :-)

Karen sed:
> you said yesterday morning was ok and you took just the
> one pill at lunch time - why not try taking it when you get home from
> work in the evening?

That's the plan for today. I'm not sure whether to take a whole or
half, but I'm definitely going to wait until after work to take it.
Most of the time if I'm going to get a smoking urge, it's after work
while I'm relaxing at home. If the 1mg pill makes me dopey tonight,
I'll probably try 1/2 pill tomorrow.

> I am really rooting for you here Rob, like you I am on day 13 of
> Chantix and after so many failed quits I am pinning all my hopes on
> this one - lets make it stick.

Yes, let's.
> Best wishes
> Karen-

U2!
Rob

On Apr 2, 12:05*pm, "Billy Bob F." <billyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> *****Pity party alert******
> Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> *****Pity party alert******
>
> So I think I'll just ramble a bit. *I would rant, but to be honest
> with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. *I can't
> seem to focus on anything at work. *All I want to do is take a nap if
> I take the prescribed dosage daily. *I didn't do this yesterday or
> today, BTW. *I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. *The morning was OK,
> but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> a nap. *After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> to leave to go to handbell practice. *I haven't taken one yet today
> (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. *I quit smoking on
> schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> smoke a cigarette since. * But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> days feeling this way. *It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> this stupid drug again.
>
> I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> Chantix. *He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. *The
> only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. *It's not why I'm
> posting it. *The reason I'm posting is that I can. *I've been urged to
> read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. *I've
> tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. * This
> is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. *It's a
> place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> when you have to go there, they have to take you in." *Thanks for
> being my home, AS3.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. *I wish I could get excited
> about that...or anything else, to be honest.


You are doing brilliantly and that was a great post - just a
thought .... you said yesterday morning was ok and you took just the
one pill at lunch time - why not try taking it when you get home from
work in the evening?

I am really rooting for you here Rob, like you I am on day 13 of
Chantix and after so many failed quits I am pinning all my hopes on
this one - lets make it stick.

Best wishes
Karen

I *love* handbells, by the way. I remember hearing them in church as a
child, and I thought they were beautiful.

On Apr 2, 12:29*pm, "Billy Bob F." <billyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Before I go and try to figure out some productive activity for the
> next three hours and 17 minutes (until I can go home and take a
> nap :-), I just had to reply to David's request:
>
> > Tell us more about "handbell practice"
>
> Ah, handbells. *One of the true joys in my life! *I am a member of
> three (four, if you count our summer ensemble) groups of english
> handbell choirs--two at my church and one at another one down the
> road. *Handbell choirs typically consist of 12 - 14 people, each of
> whom are responsible for 2 - 4 "notes". *For example, if you're
> playing in the bass octave where the bells are physically larger, you
> might have C - E, meaning C, C#, D, D# and E. *If you're in the treble
> clef, particulary in the higher octaves, you might have A, A# and B,
> but have two octaves of each bell. * Bell assignments depend, of
> course, on how many octaves (bells) you're playing and how many people
> are in the choir. *Handbell music is written for any number of people,
> from solos to quartets, up to the normal 12 - 14 people.
>
> Handbells were originally invented as "practice" for ringing the large
> bells in cathedrals. *Most handbell choirs are made up of three to
> five octaves (sometimes more) of handbells. *Ours goes from a low C (3
> lines below bass clef) to a high C which is 6 "spaces" above the
> treble cleff. * Bells are often complimented with chimes (aluminum
> things that look sort of like tuning forks) and sometimes other
> percussive instruments. *There is also music written for handbells
> plus any number of other instruments from piano to flute to trumpet.
>
> The vast majority of handbell music is religious in origin, though
> music is being published for everything from Bach to The Who. *There
> are professional handbell choirs (I actually tried out for the Raleigh
> Ringers a couple of years ago) and I would highly recommend going to a
> handbell concert if you have an opportunity. *Don't sit too close to
> the front, though. *It can get loud and a lot of the performane is
> visual, so you get a better experience a little further back.
>
> So that's a brief discription of "handbell practice". *Thanks for
> asking:-)
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> Feeling better about breathing free for six days, 14 hours, 13 minutes
> and 39 seconds. That's 197 cigarettes I've not smoked, saving $39.55.
> Life saved...oooh, puppies!

Fascinating.... gone to youtube for videos........

That's really funny!
Thank you for the education.
Having recently had an hour of a guitar lesson, I realized why the
guitarists in my life complain about the flats on my chord charts. It was a
real "aha" moment.
I agree, handbells would probably sound awful with flats.
With hope and heart,
Kathleen



Kathleen, who obviously knows *nothing* about handbells, wrote:
> Fascinating.
> You left out the flats though.

Kathleen, I'll let you pass on this one, but let me educate you a bit.

You see, handbells don't *have* flats. Because of the round nature of
the bells themselves, if there were flats, it would ruin the
"wholeness" of the sounds they produce. I will admit, though, if they
had flats, it would eliminate the need for "cradles" for the bigger
bells to keep them from rolling off the table.

Hope this helps,
Rob

P.S. Plus, my keyboard doesn't do flats :-)

88888888ba 88
88 "8b 88
88 ,8P 88
88aaaaaa8P' 88,dPPYba,
88""""""8b, 88P' "8a
88 `8b 88 d8
88 a8P 88b, ,a8"
88888888P" 8Y"Ybbd8"'

Be Happy



Kathleen <lovebirds1201@hotmail.com> penned.wrote.stated:
: That's really funny!
: Thank you for the education.
: Having recently had an hour of a guitar lesson, I realized why the
: guitarists in my life complain about the flats on my chord charts. It was a
: real "aha" moment.
: I agree, handbells would probably sound awful with flats.
: With hope and heart,
: Kathleen



: Kathleen, who obviously knows *nothing* about handbells, wrote:
:> Fascinating.
:> You left out the flats though.

: Kathleen, I'll let you pass on this one, but let me educate you a bit.

: You see, handbells don't *have* flats. Because of the round nature of
: the bells themselves, if there were flats, it would ruin the
: "wholeness" of the sounds they produce. I will admit, though, if they
: had flats, it would eliminate the need for "cradles" for the bigger
: bells to keep them from rolling off the table.

: Hope this helps,
: Rob

: P.S. Plus, my keyboard doesn't do flats :-)

On Apr 2, 6:24*pm, Jsteam <fftN...@main.com> wrote:
> 88888888ba * 88 * * * * *
> 88 * * *"8b *88 * * * * *
> 88 * * *,8P *88 * * * * *
> 88aaaaaa8P' *88,dPPYba, *
> 88""""""8b, *88P' * *"8a *
> 88 * * *`8b *88 * * * d8 *
> 88 * * *a8P *88b, * ,a8" *
> 88888888P" * 8Y"Ybbd8"' *
>
> Be Happy
>
> Kathleen <lovebirds1...@hotmail.com> penned.wrote.stated:
> : That's really funny!
> : Thank you for the education.
> : Having recently had an hour of a guitar lesson, I realized why the
> : guitarists in my life complain about the flats on my chord charts. *Itwas a
> : real "aha" moment.
> : I agree, handbells would probably sound awful with flats.
> : With hope and heart,
> : Kathleen
>
> : Kathleen, who obviously knows *nothing* about handbells, wrote:
> :> Fascinating.
> :> You left out the flats though.
>
> : Kathleen, I'll let you pass on this one, but let me educate you a bit.
>
> : You see, handbells don't *have* flats. *Because of the round nature of
> : the bells themselves, if there were flats, it would ruin the
> : "wholeness" of the sounds they produce. *I will admit, though, if they
> : had flats, it would eliminate the need for "cradles" for the bigger
> : bells to keep them from rolling off the table.
>
> : Hope this helps,
> : Rob
>
> : P.S. *Plus, my keyboard doesn't do flats :-)

Rob, Honey - I think you may have to reduce the dose - call doctor.
Hugs,
Pam

I do too. My Mom's church has a handbell choir and I just love visiting her
church at Christmas.


"writer272002" <writer272002@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I *love* handbells, by the way. I remember hearing them in church as a
> child, and I thought they were beautiful.

Edna Pearl wrote:
>
> . . .Sounds like just plain quitting, to me. It sounds like the first weeks of a
> quit. Sleep is your friend. Hot baths are good. Brain fog is normal. WITH
> OR WITHOUT Chantix. On the other hand, Chantix is OBVIOUSLY helping you,
> because you're not jonesing. You're just miserably tired, and your energy
> levels are fubar, which is normal normal normal.
>

I couldn't help but chime in here. Edna Pearl is so, so right! Before
I finally got my head right, I blew several perfectly good quits because
I was just plain tired of being tired! I felt slow, stupid,
incompetent, and I just couldn't seem to get anything started. I
convinced myself that my life would be ruined if I didn't smoke (the
last rationalization was about writing 4 huge papers at the end of a
semester that I was too stupid and unmotivated to write) and I resumed
killing myself to avoid being tired and stupid. What a trade!

In the end, Dawn (Blacksheep) helped me realize that the annoyance of
being slow, stupid and evil tempered was nothing compared to the real
pain of cancer. Once I saw myself in the proper perspective, I said to
myself, "This too shall pass," and I just went with it, laughing at
myself when I could. I called the craves and the minor pain of
zombiehood "the inner spoiled brat". Eventually, at about 3 months, I
found myself leaving the grocery store WITH my groceries (I was famous
for abandoning shopping carts because of some minor annoyance) and
noticing that the fog was lifting, I was smiling and the sun was shining
once again! I truly remember that moment vividly. I knew then, without
any doubt, that I had finally won the most important battle of my life.

For me, laughing at myself saved my quit. Be kind to yourself and
believe that breaking free of this evil is the most important think you
can do right now. As I used to say in my signature line:

Be patient. You are recovering from a fatal addiction. Give yourself
time to heal!

Maude
VOF - Rocker

I have to chime in here, too, to both EP's and Maude's posts. They
both are so on-target and true about quitting. It certainly seems
like we are climbing Mount Everest when we start down the smober trail
and it seems all uphill. But as time does go on, the fog lifts and
the energy returns and you feel EVEN BETTER than you did before you
quit. One great extra for you, Rob, is that you are quitting now. So
as Spring unfolds, you will slowly feel better and better and I expect
by Summer, which is less than three months from now, you'll be glowing
with joy on being smober!

FlatironMike
One year, one month, three weeks, two days, 2 hours, 37 minutes and 51
seconds. 8342 cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,502.40. Life saved: 4
weeks, 23 hours, 10 minutes.

Instead of the next 70 days maybe you can tough it out for say another week
or two? every day you can tough it out is a day closer to being a non smoker
for good.
also make sure you are getting your B vitamins even an extra dose won't
hurt you ( most are water soluble so you will pee out what your body can't
use except B-12 {stored in fat but as smokers and newly quit people we can
be low in this}) also try making time to get out in the sunshine to play,
borrow a dog or a kid if you have.

Funny are you old enough to remember Howie Mandrel doing "Bobby". I use to
imitate him doing this as a kid and your post brought this back.
Howie { Bobby, how come everytime you sit on the potty you cry?}
Bobby { weeelllll, It's my potty and I will cry if I want tooo!... well I
did!}
--
Lynn VOF+ Leaper
"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them."




"Billy Bob F." <billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> *****Pity party alert******
> Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> *****Pity party alert******
>
>
> So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
> with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
> seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
> I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
> today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
> but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
> (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
> schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> this stupid drug again.
>
> I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
> only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
> posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
> read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
> tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
> is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
> place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
> being my home, AS3.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
> about that...or anything else, to be honest.

((((((((((((((((((((((((Rob))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))

Hang in there. It does get better.

--

Lots of love
Summer (007) ~OF+~
Window licker since 1978
__________________________________________________ _____________________

e-Mail: summer DOT cashmore AT ntlworld DOT com
Website: http://summcash.blogspot.com

"The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux."
__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Billy Bob F." <billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42b7d83d-1a8f-40b2-b71f-ca5b5ad69cb7@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> *****Pity party alert******
> Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> *****Pity party alert******
>
>
> So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
> with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
> seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
> I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
> today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
> but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
> (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
> schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> this stupid drug again.
>
> I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
> only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
> posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
> read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
> tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
> is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
> place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
> being my home, AS3.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
> about that...or anything else, to be honest.

On Apr 9, 3:32*am, "SummerC"
<summer.cashm...@NOSPAMPLEASEntlworld.com> wrote:
> ((((((((((((((((((((((((Rob))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))
>
> Hang in there. *It does get better.
>
> --
>
> Lots of love
> Summer (007) ~OF+~
> Window licker since 1978
> __________________________________________________ _____________________
>
> e-Mail: summer DOT cashmore AT ntlworld DOT com
> Website:http://summcash.blogspot.com
>
> "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux."
> __________________________________________________ _____________________
>
> "Billy Bob F." <billyb...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:42b7d83d-1a8f-40b2-b71f-ca5b5ad69cb7@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > *****Pity party alert******
> > Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> > dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> > *****Pity party alert******
>
> > So I think I'll just ramble a bit. *I would rant, but to be honest
> > with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> > can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. *I can't
> > seem to focus on anything at work. *All I want to do is take a nap if
> > I take the prescribed dosage daily. *I didn't do this yesterday or
> > today, BTW. *I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> > first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. *The morning was OK,
> > but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> > a nap. *After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> > and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> > to leave to go to handbell practice. *I haven't taken one yet today
> > (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> > If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> > I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. *I quit smoking on
> > schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> > smoke a cigarette since. * But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> > days feeling this way. *It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> > would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> > this stupid drug again.
>
> > I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> > Chantix. *He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. *The
> > only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> > before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> > There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. *It's not why I'm
> > posting it. *The reason I'm posting is that I can. *I've been urged to
> > read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. *I've
> > tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. * This
> > is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> > people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. *It's a
> > place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> > As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> > when you have to go there, they have to take you in." *Thanks for
> > being my home, AS3.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Rob
> > I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. *I wish I could get excited
> > about that...or anything else, to be honest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks, Summer. It has gotten much better!

Thanks for stopping by. I see you've replied to every message you
missed over the past several weeks :-)

Cheers,
Rob

I'm trying to catch up...failing miserably...but trying.

--

Lots of love
Summer (007) ~OF+~
Window licker since 1978
__________________________________________________ _____________________

e-Mail: summer DOT cashmore AT ntlworld DOT com
Website: http://summcash.blogspot.com

"The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux."
__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Billy Bob F." <billybobf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 9, 3:32 am, "SummerC"
<summer.cashm...@NOSPAMPLEASEntlworld.com> wrote:
> ((((((((((((((((((((((((Rob))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))
>
> Hang in there. It does get better.
>
> --
>
> Lots of love
> Summer (007) ~OF+~
> Window licker since 1978
> __________________________________________________ _____________________
>
> e-Mail: summer DOT cashmore AT ntlworld DOT com
> Website:http://summcash.blogspot.com
>
> "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux."
> __________________________________________________ _____________________
>
> "Billy Bob F." <billyb...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:42b7d83d-1a8f-40b2-b71f-ca5b5ad69cb7@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > *****Pity party alert******
> > Rob's not feeling too awfully good this morning, so he's going to
> > dribble his self pity all over the news group.
> > *****Pity party alert******
>
> > So I think I'll just ramble a bit. I would rant, but to be honest
> > with you, since I started taking Chantix thirteen days ago, I just
> > can't get up enough emotion to get pissed off at anything. I can't
> > seem to focus on anything at work. All I want to do is take a nap if
> > I take the prescribed dosage daily. I didn't do this yesterday or
> > today, BTW. I took one (1mg) tab yesterday during lunch and it was my
> > first fairly normal day in the past two weeks. The morning was OK,
> > but by 2:30, I was counting the minutes until I could go home and take
> > a nap. After I got home (and after a 1-hour nap), I just ran a tub
> > and sat in it rubbing my feet for about 20 minutes until it was time
> > to leave to go to handbell practice. I haven't taken one yet today
> > (pill, not bath) and I still feel like I'm in a mild fog.
>
> > If this is what it's going to be like for 12 weeks, then I'm afraid
> > I'm just not strong enough to tough it out. I quit smoking on
> > schedule last Wednesday (yay me), and I haven't smoked nor wanted to
> > smoke a cigarette since. But I do not want to spend the next 70 1/2
> > days feeling this way. It's almost like the memory of how I feel now
> > would be enough to keep me from smoking--just to avoid having to take
> > this stupid drug again.
>
> > I called my doctor and talked to his nurse about stopping the
> > Chantix. He's supposed to call me back when he gets a chance. The
> > only reason I even called was because my dear wife suggested that
> > before discontinuing the medication, I should at least get his input.
>
> > There's no need for anyone to reply to this message. It's not why I'm
> > posting it. The reason I'm posting is that I can. I've been urged to
> > read and post daily, which I've done--at least the reading part. I've
> > tried to post daily, but I haven't felt very supportive lately. This
> > is a place where I can come and I know that there are at least a few
> > people who understand the difficulty of quitting smoking. It's a
> > place where I can come to rant or, in this case, just to ramble.
>
> > As Robert Frost so eloquently phrased it, "Home is the place where,
> > when you have to go there, they have to take you in." Thanks for
> > being my home, AS3.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Rob
> > I haven't smoked for six days, 12 hours. I wish I could get excited
> > about that...or anything else, to be honest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks, Summer. It has gotten much better!

Thanks for stopping by. I see you've replied to every message you
missed over the past several weeks :-)

Cheers,
Rob

You know, I remember those. They had them at the school for the blind.
Seems like they had a ruber band in them, and you shook your hand to make
them ring.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Kathleen wrote:

> I do too. My Mom's church has a handbell choir and I just love visiting her
> church at Christmas.
>
>
> "writer272002" <writer272002@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4cc80064-4513-4b46-90c6-1dd125d86113@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> I *love* handbells, by the way. I remember hearing them in church as a
>> child, and I thought they were beautiful.
>
>