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08-23-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | When push comes to shove The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
(Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
It CAN be done
Regards Chris | 
08-23-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove
"eightpans" <chrisconro@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Thats beautiful.............keep posting
Matt. | 
08-23-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove ask Cat. She knows what makes your quit stick.
Trust me. She KNOWS ALL!! lol!
Crystal | 
08-23-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove Nice post Chris.
For me it was maturity.
For a long time, I wanted to quit, yet I was too immature to delay the
gratification from instant (smoke now!) to later (ahhhhhhhhhh, sweet
freedom).
I learned. I waited. I got irate. I waited longer. I craved. I waited.
Guess what? Everything people were telling me about 'the other side of the
addiction' being fantastic is ALL TRUE!
xoxo
CatFree
OFHOF
"clearasquartz" <transquartz@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5402cd06c72130716506b26c16cd8536@localhost.ta lkaboutsupport.com...
> ask Cat. She knows what makes your quit stick.
>
> Trust me. She KNOWS ALL!! lol!
>
> Crystal 
> | 
08-23-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On Jun 13, 8:09 pm, "Matt" <u...@invalid.domain.com> wrote:
> "eightpans" <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thats beautiful.............keep posting 
>
> Matt.
Chris - YES! Anyone can talk about quitting, and start quitting, and
keep quitting, and start all over and over and over and over, and
eventually maybe they will quit. Probably when they get diagnosed with
a fatal lung disease. It is REALLY hard to quit, I agree. But some
people just never learn until it's too late. And sometimes it IS too
late. Sorry. I just get so irritated with serial (cereal) quitters.
(Sorry, Mike - didn't mean you.) Congratulations on your hard-earned
quit. I also hope to hear from you in another 8 years that you are
still quit.
Hugs,
Pam | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove Glad you found this place!
--
Batman: "You're far from mod, Robin. And many hippies are older than you
are."
-
"eightpans" <> schreef in bericht ...
> The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> It CAN be done
> Regards Chris
> | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 01:31, "clearasquartz" <transqua...@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
> ask Cat. She knows what makes your quit stick.
>
> Trust me. She KNOWS ALL!! lol!
>
> Crystal
Crystal....do as she says then ! You have got a *fantastic resource*
in Cat.......use it.
Chris
*fantastic resource woman* Cat should be joining the devilishly
handsome Duo of superheros. | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 01:39, "CuckooCat" <s...@laughing.net> wrote:
> Nice post Chris.
>
> For me it was maturity.
>
> For a long time, I wanted to quit, yet I was too immature to delay the
> gratification from instant (smoke now!) to later (ahhhhhhhhhh, sweet
> freedom).
>
> I learned. I waited. I got irate. I waited longer. I craved. I waited.
>
> Guess what? Everything people were telling me about 'the other side of the
> addiction' being fantastic is ALL TRUE!
>
> xoxo
> CatFree
> OFHOF
>
> "clearasquartz" <transqua...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5402cd06c72130716506b26c16cd8536@localhost.ta lkaboutsupport.com...
>
> > ask Cat. She knows what makes your quit stick.
>
> > Trust me. She KNOWS ALL!! lol!
>
> > Crystal
Hi
snip
Everything people were telling me about 'the other side of the
> addiction' being fantastic is ALL TRUE!
Just recently I have been smiling to myself every once in a while. I
feel so clean and shiny.
Chris | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 01:09, "Matt" <u...@invalid.domain.com> wrote:
> "eightpans" <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thats beautiful.............keep posting 
>
> Matt.
Cheers Matt. I will. | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 01:45, Pam <PFa...@Fortune-Johnson.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 8:09 pm, "Matt" <u...@invalid.domain.com> wrote:
>
> > "eightpans" <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > Thats beautiful.............keep posting 
>
> > Matt.
>
> Chris - YES! Anyone can talk about quitting, and start quitting, and
> keep quitting, and start all over and over and over and over, and
> eventually maybe they will quit. Probably when they get diagnosed with
> a fatal lung disease. It is REALLY hard to quit, I agree. But some
> people just never learn until it's too late. And sometimes it IS too
> late. Sorry. I just get so irritated with serial (cereal) quitters.
> (Sorry, Mike - didn't mean you.) Congratulations on your hard-earned
> quit. I also hope to hear from you in another 8 years that you are
> still quit.
> Hugs,
> Pam
Thanks for the congrats. I wouldn't say I'm irritated when someone
busts a quit Pam, I would say disappointed. I am not preaching *or*
having a go at you either. I was a serial quitter once too. It's a
bastard of an addiction this one, Keven is right gotta hate it.
Chris | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On Jun 13, 5:41 pm, eightpans <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> It CAN be done
> Regards Chris
Great post Chris! You hit the nail on the head, errrrr, as it were.
(Maybe I should refrain from building metaphors, you do still have
that drill at the ready) All humour aside, the three most important
words. "Do the work" I have the utmost faith that you will pop in
here in 8.5 years. Thanks for this post.
Sarah and Steve
Eight months, two days, 5 hours, 42 minutes and 3 seconds. 6130
cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,452.38. Life saved: 3 weeks, 6 hours,
50 minutes. | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 05:06, "DutchVanAfoort" <znib...@fakeAddy.con> wrote:
> Glad you found this place!
>
> --
> Batman: "You're far from mod, Robin. And many hippies are older than you
> are."
> -
> "eightpans" <> schreef in bericht ...
>
> > The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> > quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> > stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> > department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> > So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> > could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> > smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> > to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> > stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> > effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> > felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> > fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> > and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> > now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> > (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> > desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> > myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> > yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> > to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> > before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> > farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> > be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> > just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> > have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> > It CAN be done
> > Regards Chris
Thanks for being here Robin. | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On 14 Jun, 09:18, Steve and Sarah <wfo_throt...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 5:41 pm, eightpans <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> > quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> > stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> > department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> > So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> > could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> > smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> > to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> > stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> > effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> > felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> > fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> > and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> > now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> > (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> > desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> > myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> > yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> > to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> > before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> > farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> > be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> > just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> > have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> > It CAN be done
> > Regards Chris
>
> Great post Chris! You hit the nail on the head, errrrr, as it were.
> (Maybe I should refrain from building metaphors, you do still have
> that drill at the ready) All humour aside, the three most important
> words. "Do the work" I have the utmost faith that you will pop in
> here in 8.5 years. Thanks for this post.
>
> Sarah and Steve
> Eight months, two days, 5 hours, 42 minutes and 3 seconds. 6130
> cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,452.38. Life saved: 3 weeks, 6 hours,
> 50 minutes.
Do the work....Yes your right there, when you boil it down and keep it
simple (I like simple). Oddly enough I printed out a poster with DO
THE WORK on, it's on the wall in front of my exercise bike.
Humour it's great to giggle. The other day I had to witness something
that was not very nice. To try and clear the mental picture I thought
back to the times I have laughed.. I'm talking *stop the bus I'm gonna
piss, I can't breathe* laugh.. do you know it works a treat. The
Readers Digest is right *Laughter is the best medicine* ....It was not
right however when it said *Chris you have won a million dollars*
Regards Chris
Wow just seen 8 months on your meter Nice going you two Well done !! | 
08-23-2007, 11:45 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove morning Chris,
If Marvin remembers he can probably tell you that during the early times of
my quit i used to say that smoking was no longer an option (funnily enough
something that i haven't thought about for some time now) and i found it to
be a great help to me. you know how when those cravings hit you hard and all
you can really think about is having that smoke? well when that happened I'd
repeat to myself (more often than not in front of a mirror) "smoking is no
longer an option, whatever is happening and however bad i feel, i will have
to deal with it in another way because smoking is no longer an option in my
life".
it's really the same as 'enough is enough' and i guess there must be any
other number of sayings or mantras or whatever we want to call them. it
boils down to that 'realisation' that epiphany, that moment when we
understand that we have reached the edge.
we draw the line in the sand and we say "this far but no further". this
isn't something that comes in a bottle or we can order over the internet. we
can read it in a book or hear it from the lips of others yet completely fail
to understand until it happens to us and we realise how we are going to
make our quit work.
i think it's so important that folks come back to post their 'quit for 3, 5
,7 10+ years' messages so that others can take heart that here are people
that have done it and continue to do it and are still so enthusiastic about
having done it and continuing to be free from smoking. i have no doubt that
you will be one of these (let's face it, at over 2 years you already are)
have a good day
richard
"eightpans" <chrisconro@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> It CAN be done
> Regards Chris
> | 
08-23-2007, 11:46 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove Great post Chris!!
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"eightpans" <chrisconro@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> It CAN be done
> Regards Chris
> | 
08-23-2007, 11:47 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove What made mine stick was I have no frigging idea . I didn't even plan on
quitting really I was just looking but even after hubby showed up with a
new supply of demonweed I already found AS3 and the patch.
I do remember knowing if I screwed up this quit I might not ever try
again.Scary eh? So I plunked my arse down and posted and posted .. you get
the drift. When things got rough I came here or chat.  Lynn <---VOF Leaper
"eightpans" <chrisconro@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1181778071.665271.210290@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> It CAN be done
> Regards Chris
> | 
08-23-2007, 11:47 PM
| | | Re: When push comes to shove On Jun 14, 2:45 am, eightpans <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jun, 09:18, Steve and Sarah <wfo_throt...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 13, 5:41 pm, eightpans <chrisco...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The post by Angie about her sister and then Crystal posting about
> > > quitting got me thinking. What is it that finally makes your quit
> > > stick. Richard (who has been promoted out of the house hold accounts
> > > department and up to the roll of mentor) has helped me out with this.
> > > So if all that follows seems to make sense you now know why. If we
> > > could rid ourselves of all our smoking memories (as if we had never
> > > smoked) it would be great but who is to say we wouldn't go right back
> > > to smoking anyway. It must be something to do with the journey of
> > > stopping smoking that is in some way the key. When I really put the
> > > effort in to think back to when I smoked I think deep down I always
> > > felt it was wrong. I was just the type of person who got hooked easy,
> > > fell in with the wrong crowd, was just too wrapped up in my early life
> > > and too daft to notice what I was doing. I look back on my early quits
> > > now and I think fucking hell you never had a chance lad, you knew nowt
> > > (Yorkshire for nothing). It wasn't until I popped in here in
> > > desperation that I started to think about not just my addiction but
> > > myself as a person that I stood a chance. You cannot when you look at
> > > yourself in the mirror in the morning lie to yourself . I had to say
> > > to myself and I'm sure all the successful quitters who have gone
> > > before have gone through the same thing *enough is enough* stop
> > > farting about..... do the work. In another 8 and a half years I will
> > > be ten years quit *God willing* yes hopefully I will be popping back
> > > just to jolly folk along some other daft lad just like me may just
> > > have seen the light and trying to spread a bit of *it* about.
> > > It CAN be done
> > > Regards Chris
>
> > Great post Chris! You hit the nail on the head, errrrr, as it were.
> > (Maybe I should refrain from building metaphors, you do still have
> > that drill at the ready) All humour aside, the three most important
> > words. "Do the work" I have the utmost faith that you will pop in
> > here in 8.5 years. Thanks for this post.
>
> > Sarah and Steve
> > Eight months, two days, 5 hours, 42 minutes and 3 seconds. 6130
> > cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,452.38. Life saved: 3 weeks, 6 hours,
> > 50 minutes.
>
> Do the work....Yes your right there, when you boil it down and keep it
> simple (I like simple). Oddly enough I printed out a poster with DO
> THE WORK on, it's on the wall in front of my exercise bike.
> Humour it's great to giggle. The other day I had to witness something
> that was not very nice. To try and clear the mental picture I thought
> back to the times I have laughed.. I'm talking *stop the bus I'm gonna
> piss, I can't breathe* laugh.. do you know it works a treat. The
> Readers Digest is right *Laughter is the best medicine* ....It was not
> right however when it said *Chris you have won a million dollars*
> Regards Chris
>
> Wow just seen 8 months on your meter Nice going you two Well done !!- Hide quoted text -
>
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Thanks Chris!! We're getting close to the tubs!! And I know what you
mean about those Readers Digest bastards. They said I won too!
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